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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #200 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 22:33:03 »
I swore I'd never buy another keyboard other than hhkb. That white and grey topre 1800-ish layout, though...

Looks sexy, but if it feels like the FC660C, it will be awful.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #201 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 07:03:23 »
Looks sexy, but if it feels like the FC660C, it will be awful.

No. 980C feels somewhere between HHKB and Realforce, much lighter than FC660C.
Perhaps it's the difference between a topre keyboard produced in Japan and China.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #202 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 10:03:03 »
Looks sexy, but if it feels like the FC660C, it will be awful.

No. 980C feels somewhere between HHKB and Realforce, much lighter than FC660C.
Perhaps it's the difference between a topre keyboard produced in Japan and China.

Really? That's actually bad news for me, because I like how FC660C feels. Any lighter would make it similar to Novatouch, and that's a bit too light. I might have to pass on this if that"s the case.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #203 on: Sat, 26 November 2016, 17:08:52 »
Well, for better or worse, it's now available on widebasket's ebay store:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC980C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Switch-Keyboard-Dye-Sublimated-White-PBT-/282270034728

I am sorely tempted, however he's charging shipping on this model when he usually offers free shipping, possibly because he knows there will be some pent up demand for it. So that extra $$ makes me want to wait.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #204 on: Wed, 30 November 2016, 08:01:52 »
Got mine straight from Leaderskey. Thanks to the handy reddit guide I was able to find the store and haggled a little bit since, I paid in cash.




255,000 KRW = ~$220.00 not a bad deal imo.



I can only directly, compare this to the hhkb and a short time with a 660c. HHKB still wins the feels hands down and it feels a little less solid than the 660c. This might be due to the lack of lube or I might be mistaken. Overall, this is a great work board for me and the layout is awesome.

ps. thanks also, to cosogi for reminding me that these were in stock during my trip to Korea.


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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #205 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:01:24 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #206 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:15:17 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366

I should have waited a few weeks. I ordered through Easybuy7 and ended up paying $275.48 total, shipping included.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #208 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:21:04 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366

I just spent more than I should have on a board and am going to have to wait a bit before I can get another, hoping these do not sell out by the time I have...


I should have waited a few weeks. I ordered through Easybuy7 and ended up paying $275.48 total, shipping included.

Still not too bad though, and you'll get it sooner yeah? I would pay a premium to get something in my hands quicker.


  
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #209 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:22:37 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366

But not in black. :(

I am assuming the Dark Gray is their "Black." At least I hope so, because I ordered one!

I've only seen the two models out there, so I think that's the one.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #210 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:26:16 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366

But not in black. :(

I am assuming the Dark Gray is their "Black." At least I hope so, because I ordered one!

I've only seen the two models out there, so I think that's the one.



Notice that the prominent keyboard in this photo is white with gray mods.



This picture shows it a little better. I'll email them and find out.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #211 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:41:31 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366

But not in black. :(

I am assuming the Dark Gray is their "Black." At least I hope so, because I ordered one!

I've only seen the two models out there, so I think that's the one.

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Notice that the prominent keyboard in this photo is white with gray mods.

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This picture shows it a little better. I'll email them and find out.

Good point. I wish they had product photos up to make this all easier.

From what I can tell, the front-printed white and black are MX versions and the other two are their Topre counterparts.

I am under the impression those top two are the only two 980C versions available. So white would have to be the one with the gray mods, and dark gray would have the be the other black...ish.... one if any of this makes sense.

In any case, the official word on it will be appreciated!
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #212 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:46:27 »
For anyone interested, the pre-orders are up!

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=366

But not in black. :(

I am assuming the Dark Gray is their "Black." At least I hope so, because I ordered one!

I've only seen the two models out there, so I think that's the one.

Show Image


Notice that the prominent keyboard in this photo is white with gray mods.

Show Image


This picture shows it a little better. I'll email them and find out.

Good point. I wish they had product photos up to make this all easier.

From what I can tell, the front-printed white and black are MX versions and the other two are their Topre counterparts.

I am under the impression those top two are the only two 980C versions available. So white would have to be the one with the gray mods, and dark gray would have the be the other black...ish.... one if any of this makes sense.

In any case, the official word on it will be appreciated!

I have an official email! And you're right!



1.) Dark grey FC980C :
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2196

2.) White FC980C :
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2197

3.) Black FC980M :
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2047

4.) White FC980M :
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2054


The images will be added to our site later today. These listings were only added about an hour ago.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #213 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 14:52:02 »
Nice! Teamwork!  :thumb:
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #214 on: Tue, 06 December 2016, 23:36:53 »
980c allegedly shipping in Korea
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #215 on: Wed, 07 December 2016, 11:04:17 »
Looks promising.

Any chances we will see them with an ISO-Ger Layout/Keycaps?

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #216 on: Wed, 07 December 2016, 14:27:43 »
Looks promising.

Any chances we will see them with an ISO-Ger Layout/Keycaps?

Don't think I've ever seen a Leopold with an ISO layout but I could be wrong.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #217 on: Wed, 07 December 2016, 19:12:00 »
Well, for better or worse, it's now available on widebasket's ebay store:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC980C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Switch-Keyboard-Dye-Sublimated-White-PBT-/282270034728

I am sorely tempted, however he's charging shipping on this model when he usually offers free shipping, possibly because he knows there will be some pent up demand for it. So that extra $$ makes me want to wait.

Actually his pricing is only about an extra $5.00 up on Mechanical Keyboards pricing.  BUT he offers way cheaper shipping so I had to buy one.

Expecting delivery soon because Korea is only North of us Convicts and I have always received any items from them, within a weeks time.

Never thought I would see a genuine Thorpie done in a traditional 1800 series layout, kudos to Leopold for doing it and Widebasket for providing it  :thumb: .

Thanks for posting this link because I totally forgot about this keyboard, which shall be added to my extensive collection that my gran-kiddies will adore.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #218 on: Thu, 08 December 2016, 08:28:03 »
I swore I'd never buy another keyboard other than hhkb. That white and grey topre 1800-ish layout, though...

Looks sexy, but if it feels like the FC660C, it will be awful.

Wait, so I am not the only person who hated the way the 660C felt?  ;D

It was really disappointing. I love my 87U 45g, but I wish it was in the form factor of a 660C since I don't need the additional keys.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #219 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 18:24:51 »
So the 980C does not have media controls? That's disappointing.

Can anyone please confirm?

Much appreciated.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #220 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 18:31:35 »
So the 980C does not have media controls? That's disappointing.

Can anyone please confirm?

Much appreciated.

that is correct. no media controls on the 980c.

unless I have no idea what I'm doing.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #221 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 18:42:53 »
So the 980C does not have media controls? That's disappointing.

Can anyone please confirm?

Much appreciated.

that is correct. no media controls on the 980c.

unless I have no idea what I'm doing.

This is very disappointing. I checked the manual and there is nothing there.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #222 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:54:33 »
Mine arrived today. I swapped out some keycaps to give it a bit of interesting contrast.
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It's hard to get used to the placement of the delete and navigation keys though, since my muscle memory is based on TKL layout.

The keys feel pretty much just like the FC660C. I don't really notice too much difference besides the font. The weight is more like RF 55g, probably because it's new and the domes are still crisp.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #223 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:57:43 »
Mine arrived today. I swapped out some keycaps to give it a bit of interesting contrast.
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looking good man. is that a 980c or 980m?

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #224 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:14:18 »
Mine arrived today. I swapped out some keycaps to give it a bit of interesting contrast.
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looking good man. is that a 980c or 980m?

It's the Topre.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #225 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:36:02 »
It's the Topre.
Is it genuine Topre?
I thought Leopold keyboards use Topre clones?

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #226 on: Mon, 12 December 2016, 17:03:44 »
It's the Topre.
Is it genuine Topre?
I thought Leopold keyboards use Topre clones?

What gave you that
It's the Topre.
Is it genuine Topre?
I thought Leopold keyboards use Topre clones?

What gave you that impression?

From Deskthority's Leopold FC660C wiki page:

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Designed by Leopold, manufactured in China (everything points towards Varmilo factory), inspected in Japan (likely by Topre) some of this is visibly printed on the FC660C packaging. From the start of the FC660C project, it has been very important to Leopold to really impress Topre with the quality of this product. No corners were cut, no expense spared to build a keyboard that's on par with Topre keyboard products, and in many ways that was successfully (over)achieved.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #227 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 09:04:56 »
Mine arrived today. I swapped out some keycaps to give it a bit of interesting contrast.
(Attachment Link)

It's hard to get used to the placement of the delete and navigation keys though, since my muscle memory is based on TKL layout.
Wow, it looks very nice! :)
What are your thoughts on the placement of the FN key and its key-combo partners? At first glance, it seems like using "FN + Arrow Keys" or any of the other combinations might be a bit awkward, which is the only thing holding me back from buying this right now.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #228 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 10:25:02 »
Guys
Does Leopold provide alternative key caps so the user can switch Caps Lock and Control?
Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #229 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 10:42:12 »
Mine arrived today. I swapped out some keycaps to give it a bit of interesting contrast.
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It's hard to get used to the placement of the delete and navigation keys though, since my muscle memory is based on TKL layout.

Hey, they saved 5mm and added 3 leds! What an intelligent design choice.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #230 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 11:37:48 »
Guys
Does Leopold provide alternative key caps so the user can switch Caps Lock and Control?
Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks.

They do for the 980m. No idea about the c.


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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #231 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 11:43:27 »
Guys
Does Leopold provide alternative key caps so the user can switch Caps Lock and Control?
Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks.

They do for the 980m. No idea about the c.



Thanks. I was indeed wondering about the C model.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #232 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 12:57:40 »
Guys
Does Leopold provide alternative key caps so the user can switch Caps Lock and Control?
Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks.
Mine didn't include any extra keycaps--not CTRL or CapsLock, or the bonus WASD colored ones. The only extra included in the package was a wire keycap puller with red handle.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #233 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 13:17:25 »
Mine arrived today. I swapped out some keycaps to give it a bit of interesting contrast.
(Attachment Link)

It's hard to get used to the placement of the delete and navigation keys though, since my muscle memory is based on TKL layout.
Wow, it looks very nice! :)
What are your thoughts on the placement of the FN key and its key-combo partners? At first glance, it seems like using "FN + Arrow Keys" or any of the other combinations might be a bit awkward, which is the only thing holding me back from buying this right now.

I personally dislike using Fn combos as compromise for missing keys, since they make it much more cumbersome to try to do additional combos that require one of the Fn combos as the base key. In the case of the FC680C, it's a lot better than keyboards with less keys (such as 60% keyboards), because you have alternative approaches to your navigation cluster. For example:

Fn + Arrow keys will give you Home/End and Pg UP/Down. This is identical to the FC660C.

The numpad with NumLock disabled will give you dedicated Home/End and Pg Up/Down keys. Since I have a dedicated numpad on the left side, I never use the numpad on the FC680C and always have the NumLock deactivated, so I can use the navigation keys.

The 4-key row above the numpad gives you dedicated Pg UP/Down keys, and Fn will turn them into Home/End. This is the one I dislike because the distance from Fn to those keys is too far and not comfortable to use at all. But since you have other options for those keys, it's not a big deal.

Other than Fn keys, what bothers me the most is the placement of the Delete keys (one above the numpad, and one at the bottom of the numpad), because neither one matches the position of a TKL layout, and while typing, my muscle memory of hitting the Delete key with my pinky is so ingrained that I just can't get used to the FC680C's Delete keys' positions, so every time I need to hit Delete, I have to pause and look down.

Another annoyance is the placement of the arrow keys. When using the mouse, my muscle memory makes me shift my right hand to the left to access the arrow cluster, but whenever I do that now, I end up at the numpad instead. I do like having the vertical enter key of the numpad there though, since it's much easier to hit than the normal enter key.

Truth is, if Leopold had a TKL version of their Topre keyboard, I'd have gotten that instead, but who knows if that'll ever happen, so I jumped on this just in case they'll never release a TKL version.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #234 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:43:24 »
Can anyone compare this to the RealForce TKL? Or NovaTouch? (in terms of feel and build quality)

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #235 on: Tue, 13 December 2016, 18:31:46 »
Can anyone compare this to the RealForce TKL? Or NovaTouch? (in terms of feel and build quality)

It's definitely better than Novatouch. Novatouch keys rattle a lot more and don't feel as solid. The weight/tactile bump is also less on the Novatouch. Novatouch's keycaps are also cheap quality, since CoolerMaster expects customers to swap out the keycaps for custom ones.

It's comparable to RF keyboards overall (I have two RF 87Us--one is silenced ergonomically weighted, and one is 55g). I prefer Leopold's keycaps more though--they feel unique (I've mentioned this many times on GH before), sort of like they are denser. And for some weird reason, they create this illusion for me that feels like they are made from some kind of hard wood.

Frame is very solid on all these keyboards. All of them are high-end products in that regard.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #236 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:36:12 »
Guys
Does Leopold provide alternative key caps so the user can switch Caps Lock and Control?
Can anyone please let me know?
Thanks.
Mine didn't include any extra keycaps--not CTRL or CapsLock, or the bonus WASD colored ones. The only extra included in the package was a wire keycap puller with red handle.

Thank you.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #237 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:38:04 »
I'm way too lazy to google, can somebody who own's one of these can you give me a rough footprint on desk size? freedom units preferred but i'll take the other if that's all you got. :D

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #238 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:41:44 »
I'm way too lazy to google, can somebody who own's one of these can you give me a rough footprint on desk size? freedom units preferred but i'll take the other if that's all you got. :D

38.5 cm Is what I see on the web

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #239 on: Wed, 14 December 2016, 14:59:35 »
Truth is, if Leopold had a TKL version of their Topre keyboard, I'd have gotten that instead, but who knows if that'll ever happen, so I jumped on this just in case they'll never release a TKL version.
Thanks for taking the time to type up such a detailed reply! It was very helpful.  :)
& A Leopold TKL would be pretty dreamy.  ;D

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #240 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 10:35:51 »
Is there a technical limitation of some sort that made Leopold discard the media functions on their topre switch boards? The 980M seems to have them and I wish that the 980C would have them as well. Then for me it would make a great addition to my lovely 750R and 900R. 

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #241 on: Thu, 15 December 2016, 12:01:30 »
Is there a technical limitation of some sort that made Leopold discard the media functions on their topre switch boards? The 980M seems to have them and I wish that the 980C would have them as well. Then for me it would make a great addition to my lovely 750R and 900R. 

I'm guessing Topre makes the PCBs for the 980C, and most Topre boards don't have media key functionality.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #242 on: Fri, 16 December 2016, 03:49:57 »
Good to know. Thanks!

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #243 on: Fri, 16 December 2016, 04:15:42 »
Sorry if this was said somewhere or should be obvious - but can someone please give me an idea of what sort of keycap profile the FC980C has?

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #244 on: Fri, 16 December 2016, 04:16:34 »
It's a dayum shame that Leopold/Topre keyboards don't have media functionality. That black 980c tho :eek:

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #245 on: Wed, 11 January 2017, 11:10:55 »
Sorry if this was said somewhere or should be obvious - but can someone please give me an idea of what sort of keycap profile the FC980C has?

Not sure about their topre caps, but their mx caps use something called "step scupture" which is closer to cherry profile than OEM.

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #246 on: Thu, 12 January 2017, 20:10:36 »
It's a dayum shame that Leopold/Topre keyboards don't have media functionality. That black 980c tho :o

Real MEN don't need media keys because the PC only plays and stops when he tells it too  8) .

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #247 on: Thu, 12 January 2017, 20:14:11 »
It's a dayum shame that Leopold/Topre keyboards don't have media functionality. That black 980c tho :eek:

Certainly killed my interest immediately on seeing that.  Oh well.  Come on RealForce RGB 75% board!

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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #248 on: Thu, 12 January 2017, 20:58:46 »
It's a dayum shame that Leopold/Topre keyboards don't have media functionality. That black 980c tho :o

Real MEN don't need media keys because the PC only plays and stops when he tells it too  8) .

I often forget that there even are media keys on keyboards. Never got into using them. I suppose Mute could be useful.
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Re: New Leopold Keyboards: FC980M & FC980C
« Reply #249 on: Fri, 13 January 2017, 14:44:00 »
I've recently found out about these keyboards and their interesting layout. I've always demanded 100% keyboards, but this one has all you need but with the advantages of the shorter width. I've never understood tenkeyless layouts because the numpad is a very important part in a keyboard, whilest it's the cursors and all the repeated ins, home, del, end, etc. that is unnecesary. I especially like the numpad for gaming, since I hate wasd. Actually, I was considering buying the FC980M with browns instead of a full size 980R... until I noticed what they have done with the top right row. It's simply a dumb idea. Why remove printscreen, scroll lock and pause (forcing you to use key combinations with FN) and replace them with redundant keys that are already in the numpad? Leopold should sell these keyboards with an extra set with the original printscreen, scroll lock and pause keycaps, and give the user the chance to reconfigure them by hardware.