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Bars or Scoops or Both?

Bars
78 (41.1%)
Scoops
64 (33.7%)
Both
19 (10%)
Either
19 (10%)
Neither
10 (5.3%)

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 17:49:28 »
Boops
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 16 July 2019, 19:39:22 »
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #102 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:26:06 »
nipples

Are you participating in the discussion, or was that just a general observation?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #103 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 08:32:49 »
nipples

Are you participating in the discussion, or was that just a general observation?

I thought at the very least they should be included in the discussion!
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 08:41:48 »
Bars.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #105 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 08:46:27 »
Bars.

but they set the bar so low  :(
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #106 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:53:13 »
I have found that e-pbt molds have both bars and scoops. which are the best.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #107 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:55:15 »
scoops all day every day, bars feel really bad to me, and its why im more discouraged from using my topre boards (i dont like hipro either)
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 20:33:19 »
In my opinion, scoops much more better.
Soft, the feels

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #109 on: Mon, 22 July 2019, 21:54:38 »
"A, B and C walked into a scoop" doesn't sound right.

"A, B and C walked into a bar" does.

"A, B and C walked into a nipple" is a completely different genre of story.

The bars have it.
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #110 on: Sat, 03 August 2019, 10:19:55 »
Same answer every time this comes up:

HHKB has barz. Barz win.


Bars are itchy! 😡

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 16:58:05 »
I'm on a scoop phase, but some uses require bars, for example when using a small keyboard with some kind of entertainment system, while sort of sleeping on the sofa

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 17:37:43 »
"A, B and C walked into a scoop" doesn't sound right.

"A, B and C walked into a bar" does.

"A, B and C walked into a nipple" is a completely different genre of story.

The bars have it.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 04 September 2019, 21:34:50 »
A bar broken up into two small dots.
I read somewhere that if you have carpal-tunnel syndrome then you wouldn't be able to distinguish the two dots as being separate.

Edit: I found a note saying that I had heard it in an episode of Dr Oz.
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:22:27 »
Scoops feel better, bars are more effective.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #115 on: Thu, 05 September 2019, 21:38:16 »
Scoops feel better, bars are more effective.
I concur sir.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #116 on: Sun, 08 September 2019, 22:03:24 »
Scoops feel better, bars are more effective.

Scoops feel like you have tow fingers that are slightly too short ;)
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 12 September 2019, 18:18:14 »
Three was a time when group buys didn't include bars. Dark times.

The worst offender is gateron: the use scoops and bars. In the same cap. How sad.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 13 September 2019, 01:38:32 »
 my first keyset was epbt which had both scooped and bars.. and dare i say it.. but i liked it  :cool:

Bars for the feels.. scoops for the looks

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #119 on: Sun, 15 September 2019, 22:08:30 »
my first keyset was epbt which had both scooped and bars.. and dare i say it.. but i liked it  :cool:

Bars for the feels.. scoops for the looks

And we can all type without looking, by feeling the keycaps, right?
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 18:54:57 »
I know people joke about it..

But a few years back, this was an honest discussion where there were some that were of the very stringent belief that GMK should only be scoops...and that offering FJ with bars was a waste not used by many...and it would be a waste...even though most of the time the sets offer plenty of extras that many people will also not use. 

Thankfully bars seems to be offered as some of the extra keys in the group buys people are doing for GMK...which was always the right decision...far more than say, offering ISO or 75% or 1800 as part of the included keys...

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #121 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 20:02:22 »
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #122 on: Fri, 04 October 2019, 20:25:26 »
my first keyset was epbt which had both scooped and bars.. and dare i say it.. but i liked it  8)

Bars for the feels.. scoops for the looks

Bars and scoops rock.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #123 on: Mon, 07 October 2019, 14:40:10 »
Bars are just so quick and easy to feel

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #124 on: Thu, 10 October 2019, 00:49:35 »
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.

Yes...it takes a bit of getting used to if you haven't used them before...at first it feels like something is both missing and gripping your index fingers at the same time...(Smooth on the finger tips, something gripping the edges). 

I find bars are much easier to find...

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #125 on: Sun, 03 November 2019, 01:31:37 »
According to the poll results, bars are the clear winner.

Can we close this thread yet?
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #126 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 00:12:03 »
Why?  What's the point of closing the thread at all?  That only happens when you don't want anyone to post on it any longer...

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 04:07:10 »
This is Geekhack. Threads don't get closed because they are old.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #128 on: Tue, 05 November 2019, 09:06:11 »
Bars. For some reason its hard for me to feel the difference on scoops on SA...
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 07:05:03 »
According to the poll results, bars are the clear winner.

Can we close this thread yet?

SCOOPS FTW

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 09:43:52 »
Just bars for now. Is no one else experiecing extra clack when bottoming out cherry (enjoyPBT) scooped + bars homing keys, the keycap hitting the switch housing or something.  Entirely vanilla south-facing cherry switches without any leds. Really noticeable with silenced switches when pressing upper part of the keycap.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 14 November 2019, 13:20:28 »
Cherry and GMK keycaps are scooped and do not hit the switch top when bottoming out. That is only the fault of Gateron/EnjoyPBT.
I use Cherry-original thick PBT keycaps with Zealencio silencing clips and don't notice less key travel on the scooped keys.
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #132 on: Mon, 25 November 2019, 12:09:49 »
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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 28 November 2019, 11:47:33 »
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.

It took me a while to get used to scoops, for the longest time I'd be typing sentences with gibberish if I removed/returned my hands from the home row.

Edit: have only used scoops with GMK.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 04 December 2019, 23:26:44 »
Serious question: is it possible to feel scoops or deep dishes accurately with fingertips?  So far I've only dealt with bars/numpad nipples as a touch typist.

I feel the same way. The bars seem so much easier to find that I never even bothered considering scoops until I came across this post.

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 19 March 2020, 03:42:03 »
Bars if I really had to choose between the two, but my personal preference is neither

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Re: Bars or Scoops?
« Reply #136 on: Sat, 21 March 2020, 13:26:10 »