Author Topic: [GB] DSA LightCycle Full Set (CANCELLED) (Read 36494 times)

daaawooo · « **Reply #100 on:** Thu, 20 October 2016, 20:49:28 »

I'm new to keycap sets and DIY-kits. Using mechanicals kb since 30 years, but just fully build factory stuff.
All this stabilizer talk is confusing for me.

I ordered the Alps version of LightCycle.

Just did an ergodox build.

Please see my attachments, will match LightCycle the stabilizer-kit from the latest massdrop ergodox infinity ?

Ail · « **Reply #101 on:** Fri, 21 October 2016, 19:42:34 »

Quote from: evangs on Tue, 18 October 2016, 11:59:20

There is a special bonus that I will just leave as a surprise for when people start receiving their sets

Is it a 75% ALPS pcb by chance?

zombimuncha · « **Reply #102 on:** Sat, 22 October 2016, 17:20:14 »

Quote from: daaawooo on Thu, 20 October 2016, 20:49:28

I'm new to keycap sets and DIY-kits. Using mechanicals kb since 30 years, but just fully build factory stuff.
All this stabilizer talk is confusing for me.

I ordered the Alps version of LightCycle.

Just did an ergodox build.

Please see my attachments, will match LightCycle the stabilizer-kit from the latest massdrop ergodox infinity ?

All the stabilizer parts in your photo are cherry/costar, so it looks like it'll work just fine with the DSA-Alps caps. The only thing I could worry about is if the center (bottom) of the wire might hit the switch housing, but it seems unlikely.

daaawooo · « **Reply #103 on:** Mon, 24 October 2016, 13:39:16 »

Norman_the_Owl · « **Reply #104 on:** Tue, 25 October 2016, 14:03:00 »

Quote from: Ail on Fri, 21 October 2016, 19:42:34

Quote from: evangs on Tue, 18 October 2016, 11:59:20
There is a special bonus that I will just leave as a surprise for when people start receiving their sets

Is it a 75% ALPS pcb by chance?

I would murder for one of them.

I regret cheaping out and missing the ve.a

infodroid · « **Reply #105 on:** Wed, 26 October 2016, 17:39:39 »

Regarding bending stabilizer wires for the V60. I still haven't received my SP Alpine Winter set, so I don't yet have any first-hand experience with this. But I did come across some very relevant discussions which I have not seen mentioned here.

Badwrench held the first community GB for SP Alps. He had a few things to say about adjusting stabilizer wires for the V60, including the ANSI right shift:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032

When Alpine Winter came out, jbondeson also wrote a tutorial for bending stabilizers for the V60:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg2044488#msg2044488

For the ANSI right shift, Badwrench reuses the existing stabilizer by turning into a trapezoid shape. But jbondeson does not consider that possibility, and suggests starting with a longer stabilizer wire.

eksuen · « **Reply #106 on:** Wed, 26 October 2016, 18:13:30 »

Quote from: infodroid on Wed, 26 October 2016, 17:39:39

Regarding bending stabilizer wires for the V60. I still haven't received my SP Alpine Winter set, so I don't yet have any first-hand experience with this. But I did come across some very relevant discussions which I have not seen mentioned here.

Badwrench held the first community GB for SP Alps. He had a few things to say about adjusting stabilizer wires for the V60, including the ANSI right shift:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032

When Alpine Winter came out, jbondeson also wrote a tutorial for bending stabilizers for the V60:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg2044488#msg2044488

For the ANSI right shift, Badwrench reuses the existing stabilizer by turning into a trapezoid shape. But jbondeson does not consider that possibility, and suggests starting with a longer stabilizer wire.

Yeah, I used the existing wire. I made it work, but it ain't pretty. Using a new, longer wire is probably a better idea.

pixelpusher · « **Reply #107 on:** Wed, 26 October 2016, 23:30:57 »

Quote from: infodroid on Wed, 26 October 2016, 17:39:39

Regarding bending stabilizer wires for the V60. I still haven't received my SP Alpine Winter set, so I don't yet have any first-hand experience with this. But I did come across some very relevant discussions which I have not seen mentioned here.

Badwrench held the first community GB for SP Alps. He had a few things to say about adjusting stabilizer wires for the V60, including the ANSI right shift:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70817.msg1917032#msg1917032

When Alpine Winter came out, jbondeson also wrote a tutorial for bending stabilizers for the V60:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.msg2044488#msg2044488

For the ANSI right shift, Badwrench reuses the existing stabilizer by turning into a trapezoid shape. But jbondeson does not consider that possibility, and suggests starting with a longer stabilizer wire.

Thanks. I've bookmarked those posts. Looks like just the reference I'll need when I get my caps in.

00zeRO · « **Reply #108 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 07:20:08 »

Looking forward to receiving my keys, hooray for Light cycle!

Jadames · « **Reply #109 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 11:56:21 »

If only I found this site sooner

this keyset would look so good with my setup.

00zeRO · « **Reply #110 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 12:09:49 »

Quote from: Jadames on Thu, 27 October 2016, 11:56:21

If only I found this site sooner this keyset would look so good with my setup.

I only saw it on a whim thanks to Massdrop's community update email.

eksuen · « **Reply #111 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 12:39:13 »

Quote from: Jadames on Thu, 27 October 2016, 11:56:21

If only I found this site sooner this keyset would look so good with my setup.

There might be extras. Shoot evangs a PM to ask. It's also very likely someone will sell their set at some point, so there may be hope yet.

My_Thoughts · « **Reply #112 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 14:32:55 »

Really looking forward to this

evangs · « **Reply #113 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:32:17 »

https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=29123419779

GreyAmbience · « **Reply #114 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:36:54 »

Quote from: evangs on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:32:17

https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=29123419779

Oh no! I was so looking forward to this. I have everything ready.

Please run a new GB with correct prices, this set is too good.

Sent from a payphone in 1986

evangs · « **Reply #115 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:38:25 »

Quote from: GreyAmbience on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:36:54

Quote from: evangs on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:32:17
https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=29123419779
Oh no! I was so looking forward to this. I have everything ready.

Please run a new GB with correct prices, this set is too good.

Sent from a payphone in 1986

I will look at revisiting on the future

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nateth · « **Reply #116 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:40:21 »

Quote from: evangs on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:38:25

I will look at revisiting on the future

Please do. You'll have my backing particularly for an Alps DSA set even if it's just TKL.

smittysteve · « **Reply #117 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:41:27 »

Quote from: evangs on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:32:17

https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=29123419779

So sorry to hear this Evan! It's clear you put a lot of work into this set and no doubt tried every way possible to pull it off without selling organs.

Hope to see it back sometime down the road.

evangs · « **Reply #118 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:42:20 »

Quote from: smittysteve on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:41:27

Quote from: evangs on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:32:17
https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=29123419779

So sorry to hear this Evan! It's clear you put a lot of work into this set and no doubt tried every way possible to pull it off without selling organs.

Hope to see it back sometime down the road.

Thanks for understanding

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zslane · « **Reply #119 on:** Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:57:09 »

Have you considered just running this through PMK's website?

I fear that small scale group buys are slowly becoming a thing of the past due to pricing. SP's prices will only continue to climb over time, and eventually the only viable way to get a set made will be to get MassDrop levels of participation.

Now I've got to either find some other way to get a decent DSA set made with Alps stems, or sell my brand new KBP V60 mini on eBay.

So while we wait for LightCycle to rise from the grave, who's up for Dolch DSA with Alps stems in the mean time? I already have a quote from SP for kits identical to the current MX-based set. We could run it through PMK's site along side the existing (MX) set.

Vigrith · « **Reply #120 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:02:30 »

Evan... I'm so sorry. It's a shame for us buyers that it turned out this way but I'm sure for you, as the creator, it is much more painful - I know I speak for many when I say I understand the decision and that you'll have my full support if you get this back on its feet some time in the future, it's a lovely, lovely set and you deserve to see it succeed. I ordered a blue WhiteFox case and a tron wrist rest to go with it after all, I'm not giving up that easy!

Glad I ordered a set with your Van kit, would be way sadder if I'd not - guess Granite will have to do as my "full sized" set for a little while longer!

evangs · « **Reply #121 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:04:12 »

Quote from: Vigrith on Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:02:30

Evan... I'm so sorry. It's a shame for us buyers that it turned out this way but I'm sure for you, as the creator, it is much more painful - I know I speak for many when I say I understand the decision and that you'll have my full support if you get this back on its feet some time in the future, it's a lovely, lovely set and you deserve to see it succeed. I ordered a blue WhiteFox case and a tron wrist rest to go with it after all, I'm not giving up that easy!

Glad I ordered a set with your Van kit, would be way sadder if I'd not - guess Granite will have to do as my "full sized" set for a little while longer!

Thanks for understanding. I feel really bad to have left you guys down

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Vigrith · « **Reply #122 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:20:55 »

Quote from: evangs on Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:04:12

Thanks for understanding. I feel really bad to have left you guys down

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You didn't let me down. Thank you for doing everything you could and for all you do for the community.

Jedi · « **Reply #123 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:55:58 »

This is nuts, did the GB price change for the base and jumped kits? If not, please allow participants to join for those kits san the compatibility kit. Quote the compatibility kit for its fair retail price and people would simply have to understand the price is the new price. Refunding all orders seems like the best thing to do though everyone should know that the new kit required the higher price. Origco did the same thing when they first said a GMK set would be $199 and then the price came out much higher than that.

pixelpusher · « **Reply #124 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:05:35 »

Quote from: zslane on Thu, 27 October 2016, 23:57:09

Have you considered just running this through PMK's website?

I fear that small scale group buys are slowly becoming a thing of the past due to pricing. SP's prices will only continue to climb over time, and eventually the only viable way to get a set made will be to get MassDrop levels of participation.

Now I've got to either find some other way to get a decent DSA set made with Alps stems, or sell my brand new KBP V60 mini on eBay.

So while we wait for LightCycle to rise from the grave, who's up for Dolch DSA with Alps stems in the mean time? I already have a quote from SP for kits identical to the current MX-based set. We could run it through PMK's site along side the existing (MX) set.

I'm down for some dolchness. I'm in the same situation as you. I've got my V60 sitting with the crappy stock caps. But hey, at least we won't have to deal with that whole stabilizer thing for a while

I now regret cancelling my dolch order from massdrop a few weeks back. Oh well, the legends weren't that great anyway

GreyAmbience · « **Reply #125 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:29:39 »

Already received my refund. I am so sorry it didn't work out for you Evan. **** happens. I truly hope you'll give this an other try in the future, it's a fantastic look.

Thanks for everything

Sent from a payphone in 1986

Panzerhawx · « **Reply #126 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:32:05 »

At least you had the decency to refund everyone, and write an official post about it.

Truly a shame - I even planned a new build because of this keyset. Hope it gets rebooted in the future.

evangs · « **Reply #127 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:15:38 »

Quote from: Panzerhawx on Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:32:05

At least you had the decency to refund everyone, and write an official post about it.

Truly a shame - I even planned a new build because of this keyset. Hope it gets rebooted in the future.

It will reboot eventually

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GreyAmbience · « **Reply #128 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:27:33 »

Quote from: evangs on Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:15:38

Quote from: Panzerhawx on Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:32:05
At least you had the decency to refund everyone, and write an official post about it.

Truly a shame - I even planned a new build because of this keyset. Hope it gets rebooted in the future.
It will reboot eventually

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My RS68 and cyan half-shell will be waiting

Sent from a payphone in 1986

Unforgivable · « **Reply #129 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:50:43 »

This is unfortunate. I really hope this comes back again. I loved the theme!

johntron25 · « **Reply #130 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:53:49 »

i just got an email about the refund. So sorry about everything. let's make this happen in the future!

evangs · « **Reply #131 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:59:44 »

refunds are complete. Once again I apologize for any inconvenience. I am working hard to bring you guys some awesome things. It is unfortunate that this had to end this way, but I won't let it keep me from moving forward.

wodan · « **Reply #132 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 03:02:31 »

Got a full refund, thanks for the quick processing. Hope this doesn't stop you!

GreyAmbience · « **Reply #133 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 03:03:24 »

Quote from: evangs on Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:59:44

refunds are complete. Once again I apologize for any inconvenience. I am working hard to bring you guys some awesome things. It is unfortunate that this had to end this way, but I won't let it keep me from moving forward.

100% support from the community dude <3

Sent from a payphone in 1986

evangs · « **Reply #134 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 03:03:51 »

Quote from: wodan on Fri, 28 October 2016, 03:02:31

Got a full refund, thanks for the quick processing. Hope this doesn't stop you!

I am sad with how this turned out but if anything it will only refine my focus and push me harder

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mathiasn · « **Reply #135 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 03:12:28 »

Too bad you had to cancel this!

(refund received)

wholypantalones · « **Reply #136 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 05:13:34 »

I'm in with or without the compatibility kit Evan, sorry to hear it didn't work out this time around.

Cotay · « **Reply #137 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 05:19:17 »

I am extremely bummed, but fully understand. Now I will need to see if I can find something else for the Red Scarf.

Seriously though, I'd pay whatever is required to get this set, even if it required me to buy the Alphas, compatibility and numpad sets all in one. This set is just that good.

p.rototy.pe · « **Reply #138 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 09:27:16 »

I was super sad to see the refund email in my inbox this morning.

I wasnt excited about this GB, and then someone on discord convinced me to get hype, and I got hype, and now I cant have it.

This has been one rollercoaster of keycap emotions.

chuckdee · « **Reply #139 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 10:43:06 »

If When you run it again, hopefully it will correspond with my finances so I can support! You did an aboveboard job, so don't think you let anyone down! Failures will come- it's how you respond to it that defines you. And IMO the definition you're showing is great! You're one of the GB runners that I have no doubts about joining in on.

arhetue · « **Reply #140 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 10:44:00 »

Bummer, but understandable. I am in when this runs again!

zslane · « **Reply #141 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 12:04:32 »

Quote from: cswanic on Fri, 28 October 2016, 00:55:58

This is nuts, did the GB price change for the base and jumped kits?

What many people don't understand about keycap set pricing is that the price of a kit is based on the number of each keycap that will be manufactured for that kit. A base kit has a much lower per-keycap price because so many people buy the base kit. But when a specialty kit with, say, 20 keycaps in it only hits 50 kits sold, the price for the kit is almost twice what it would be if it were bundled in with the base kit.

My understanding is that LightCycle's pre-order prices were based on taking the price of the entire keycap set as a single kit and proportionally splitting it up by kit size. Doing so dramatically changes the per-keycap price of each kit due to the dramatically different quantities of each kit ordered.

FioraCorp · « **Reply #142 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 17:18:52 »

Quote from: evangs on Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:15:38

Quote from: Panzerhawx on Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:32:05
At least you had the decency to refund everyone, and write an official post about it.

Truly a shame - I even planned a new build because of this keyset. Hope it gets rebooted in the future.
It will reboot eventually

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Just wanna say, I never joined this group buy because it was just not 100% my style, but I will be paying attention to anything you do in the future, vans, cause the way you handled this and handled the refunds was just classy and professional. Sorry it didn't work out, but from how I see, you didn't let anyone down, just took a risk and, when it didn't pan out, you protected everyone else in the community. Kudos.

evangs · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 28 October 2016, 17:28:21 »

Quote from: FioraCorp on Fri, 28 October 2016, 17:18:52

Quote from: evangs on Fri, 28 October 2016, 02:15:38
Quote from: Panzerhawx on Fri, 28 October 2016, 01:32:05
At least you had the decency to refund everyone, and write an official post about it.

Truly a shame - I even planned a new build because of this keyset. Hope it gets rebooted in the future.
It will reboot eventually

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just wanna say, I never joined this group buy because it was just not 100% my style, but I will be paying attention to anything you do in the future, vans, cause the way you handled this and handled the refunds was just classy and professional. Sorry it didn't work out, but from how I see, you didn't let anyone down, just took a risk and, when it didn't pan out, you protected everyone else in the community. Kudos.

Thanks, that really means a lot

daaawooo · « **Reply #144 on:** Sat, 29 October 2016, 16:03:00 »

sad about the news.

what about a re-run on MD of the 40% kit plus 2-4 additional kits to gain more attention ?

derezzed · « **Reply #145 on:** Sat, 29 October 2016, 19:24:29 »

What's this? A group buy that was unfulfilled for honorable reasons? Funds immediately returned to buyers? The only "victim" is the organizer's own aspiration to have his keyset made. You're a trailblazer. That's a pretty strong show of character. People are going to remember this. I'm really sorry to see this GB not succeed. While Dolch is not my thing and I was reluctant to spend $150 on a profile I never experienced, I almost joined this GB a couple times. I keep coming back to this thread to look at this set and to see its progress. I was really looking forward to seeing the real thing on keyboards. I'm still looking forward to seeing LightCycle on people's keyboards. Maybe next time, my keyboard will be one of them. It's just going to be a longer wait than anticipated.

blackriver · « **Reply #146 on:** Sat, 29 October 2016, 20:59:32 »

I like a few others that posted did not join this set. Props to you for handling it so well

. I can't wait to see what comes next!

Unforgivable · « **Reply #147 on:** Sat, 29 October 2016, 22:28:47 »

I'm very happy about all the praise Evan is getting. He is one awesome, genuine dude.

Please make a huge announcement when this drop is ran again, Evan. I really do not want to miss it. I regret not joining the one on Massdrop, but I'll be patient!

On the bright side, The Minivan is on the way soon! Woot!

n__dles · « **Reply #148 on:** Sun, 30 October 2016, 01:59:54 »

Quote from: derezzed on Sat, 29 October 2016, 19:24:29

What's this? A group buy that was unfulfilled for honorable reasons? Funds immediately returned to buyers? The only "victim" is the organizer's own aspiration to have his keyset made. You're a trailblazer. That's a pretty strong show of character. People are going to remember this. I'm really sorry to see this GB not succeed. While Dolch is not my thing and I was reluctant to spend $150 on a profile I never experienced, I almost joined this GB a couple times. I keep coming back to this thread to look at this set and to see its progress. I was really looking forward to seeing the real thing on keyboards. I'm still looking forward to seeing LightCycle on people's keyboards. Maybe next time, my keyboard will be one of them. It's just going to be a longer wait than anticipated.

This month I've had a seller send me an acrylic case in an envelope, and refused to refund me when it arrived in pieces. A 'prestigious' keyboard company send me a defective product and try to pull a slick one and only refund the item's price and not refund my initial shipping cost. And I'm involved in a GB that's supposed to ship tomorrow, but the seller has been silent since Sept. 29th.

I'm not a fan of DSA so I was also on the fence about Light Cycle. In the end I decided not to join the GB. After seeing how evangs has handled this, the next time it runs count me in for a minimum of 1 set.

evangs · « **Reply #149 on:** Sun, 30 October 2016, 23:42:52 »

Quote from: n__dles on Sun, 30 October 2016, 01:59:54

Quote from: derezzed on Sat, 29 October 2016, 19:24:29
What's this? A group buy that was unfulfilled for honorable reasons? Funds immediately returned to buyers? The only "victim" is the organizer's own aspiration to have his keyset made. You're a trailblazer. That's a pretty strong show of character. People are going to remember this. I'm really sorry to see this GB not succeed. While Dolch is not my thing and I was reluctant to spend $150 on a profile I never experienced, I almost joined this GB a couple times. I keep coming back to this thread to look at this set and to see its progress. I was really looking forward to seeing the real thing on keyboards. I'm still looking forward to seeing LightCycle on people's keyboards. Maybe next time, my keyboard will be one of them. It's just going to be a longer wait than anticipated.
This month I've had a seller send me an acrylic case in an envelope, and refused to refund me when it arrived in pieces. A 'prestigious' keyboard company send me a defective product and try to pull a slick one and only refund the item's price and not refund my initial shipping cost. And I'm involved in a GB that's supposed to ship tomorrow, but the seller has been silent since Sept. 29th.

I'm not a fan of DSA so I was also on the fence about Light Cycle. In the end I decided not to join the GB. After seeing how evangs has handled this, the next time it runs count me in for a minimum of 1 set.

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Author Topic: [GB] DSA LightCycle Full Set (CANCELLED) (Read 36494 times)