[IC] 60% PCB with arrow cluster NEW Layout (GB thread link inside!)

[yasintahir]

---UPDATE 3---
GB THREAD :
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87511.0

---UPDATE 2---
Don't forget to vote pcb color and plate option 
https://goo.gl/forms/VWoRxca2NuBCtyAB2

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So guys after talk to leeku here's the final layout for this pcb and it will be support universal 60% case but some layout lose 1 bottom screw


PCB will be designed by leeku
-Fully programmable
-Underglow Led
-controller use Atmega 32a
-Use L3 firmware like other leeku PCB

Price for PCB $55 (presoldered)
Plate $30 for alu/ss and $35 or $40 for brass

--- UPDATE 1---
after i contacted leeku to check if he can do 8 bottom combination r5 option, he said still working on it and not be sure until he arrange it... so to make plan B if he can't put 8 option R5 in this PCB i'm taking poll to see which bottom option you interest for this PCB. It will help me to see which option with most interest for this pcb, so that option with most interest will be put in plan B. And for people who want make it mx/alps PCB sure it will help with less option to make mx/alps PCB.
So please vote which option you're interest
Thanks!

link poll : https://goo.gl/forms/NmB30XCIWQNjRDWY2

[jebbra]

When this size will still fit 60% standard case, that gap on the bottom row will be the enemy since blocker only come in 1u I belive.

But it just me, really.

[yasintahir]

yea.. i still wait confirmation from leeku he said its need give up couple of bottom combination.
i will update again the layout after i got reply from leeku

[FoC_Tow]

Hell yeah!

Would prefer a closer to standard, unsymmetrical but more uniform,
(1.25 blocked) -1.25 -1.25 -6.25 -1.25 -1 -1 -1
bottom row option tbh.

I'm good either way tho, really...

[ticktwo]

wow this is interesting, I just knew if there is keyboard layout like this.

[nsmechkb]

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

[TalkingTree]

I don't need dedicated arrows on a 60% but I gotta say this is probably the best possible solution.

[Giorgio]

I'd like a 1800-like bottom row, with vim-like arrows. Moving the right shift will make our life miserable.

[yasintahir]

Updated layout PCB + Plate with hole for poker 60% case 

[yasintahir]

I'd like a 1800-like bottom row, with vim-like arrows. Moving the right shift will make our life miserable.

(Attachment Link)

if we do like this we got problem with bottom hole screw for universal 60% case

[yasintahir]

Hell yeah!

Would prefer a closer to standard, unsymmetrical but more uniform,
(1.25 blocked) -1.25 -1.25 -6.25 -1.25 -1 -1 -1
bottom row option tbh.

I'm good either way tho, really...

i still prefer balanced for blocked left and right this make look like hhkb right ?  )

wow this is interesting, I just knew if there is keyboard layout like this.

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

I don't need dedicated arrows on a 60% but I gotta say this is probably the best possible solution.

Thanks  lets make this layout happened;D

[jenggo]

Want the PCB for this layout!




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[FoC_Tow]

Hell yeah!

Would prefer a closer to standard, unsymmetrical but more uniform,
(1.25 blocked) -1.25 -1.25 -6.25 -1.25 -1 -1 -1
bottom row option tbh.

I'm good either way tho, really...

i still prefer balanced for blocked left and right this make look like hhkb right ?  )

The blocked/white areas on the hhkb actually aren't symmetrical tho.

In Addition this layout would give you more blocker space and therefore be closer to hhkb looks imho.

Just my opinion tbh but this has been debated in multiple threads and there is always people that prefer the symmetrical approach vs people who prefer the more standard layout with a more uniform bottom row.

Edit:
Does the pcb have enough room left to support layout A with 1.25 left ctrl and alt?
That's pretty much the only change required to my ideal layout.

[Giorgio]

I'd like a 1800-like bottom row, with vim-like arrows. Moving the right shift will make our life miserable.

(Attachment Link)

if we do like this we got problem with bottom hole screw for universal 60% case

Ouch :-) that's a shame.
Maybe losing one screw on a total of six isn't so important? I'd try to remove one screw from my poker, if it wasn't at home...
Accepting to lose one screw, could open the way to a number of new and original layouts, and this could expand the interest in this pcb.
Will this be iso compatible?

[feralfoo]

Love the concepts here. I have the following plate on the way via @swillkb's plate designer tool:



If you wish, feel free to incorporate this into your designs.

[yasintahir]

Hell yeah!

Would prefer a closer to standard, unsymmetrical but more uniform,
(1.25 blocked) -1.25 -1.25 -6.25 -1.25 -1 -1 -1
bottom row option tbh.

I'm good either way tho, really...

i still prefer balanced for blocked left and right this make look like hhkb right ?  )

The blocked/white areas on the hhkb actually aren't symmetrical tho.

In Addition this layout would give you more blocker space and therefore be closer to hhkb looks imho.

Just my opinion tbh but this has been debated in multiple threads and there is always people that prefer the symmetrical approach vs people who prefer the more standard layout with a more uniform bottom row.

Edit:
Does the pcb have enough room left to support layout A with 1.25 left ctrl and alt?
That's pretty much the only change required to my ideal layout.

i think it's acceptable with pcb i can change to it, but for plate i think we need more less 5 quantity for 1 layout

I'd like a 1800-like bottom row, with vim-like arrows. Moving the right shift will make our life miserable.

(Attachment Link)

if we do like this we got problem with bottom hole screw for universal 60% case

Ouch :-) that's a shame.
Maybe losing one screw on a total of six isn't so important? I'd try to remove one screw from my poker, if it wasn't at home...
Accepting to lose one screw, could open the way to a number of new and original layouts, and this could expand the interest in this pcb.
Will this be iso compatible?

(Attachment Link)

that's layout look like Type E without blocked on bottom row, if it's easy to find 1u shift keycap i will try to make another bottom combination from that layout.. or if u want i can just add iso enter option

Love the concepts here. I have the following plate on the way via @swillkb's plate designer tool:

(Attachment Link)

If you wish, feel free to incorporate this into your designs.

that's layout look like my Type E concept but it's use 1u bottom row if many interest use 1u size i will add that layout option too.

[breckstar]

I like A and B most.

[ticktwo]

type c interesting than others   

[gadzkun]

i need type C too

[apaskal]

Yes! I need type E PCB!

[yasintahir]

type c interesting than others   

i need type C too

Yes! I need type E PCB!

Let's do this 
i will make form to check how much interest with this layout, if we can get moq this gb will start on january

[iFreilicht]

Very cool! I like Type B most as a short-term thing, but I'd be interested in something like Type E with a little different bottom row. The spacebar is too far to the right in my opinion, I'd rather have it centered.

Love the concepts here. I have the following plate on the way via @swillkb's plate designer tool:

(Attachment Link)

If you wish, feel free to incorporate this into your designs.

This is a good start, but what I have in mind is something more like this:



Symmetrical gaps towards the sides and allows for 5-7 thumbkeys.

[gadzkun]

Very cool! I like Type B most as a short-term thing, but I'd be interested in something like Type E with a little different bottom row. The spacebar is too far to the right in my opinion, I'd rather have it centered.

Love the concepts here. I have the following plate on the way via @swillkb's plate designer tool:

(Attachment Link)

If you wish, feel free to incorporate this into your designs.

This is a good start, but what I have in mind is something more like this:

(Attachment Link)

Symmetrical gaps towards the sides and allows for 5-7 thumbkeys.

thats a good layout but getting 3u stab and wire its really hard and of course 3u caps is a problem too xD

[childofthehorn]

Type A would be near perfect for me if it allowed for a split spacebar honestly!

2.75u, 1.25u, 2.25u in the spacebar would work pretty well, even with some obscure sets and very possible to find on SP in Row 3 for SA anyway.

[Giorgio]

Still I think that a bigger liberty in the button row, by removing one screw, could be a big plus, attracting more users.

[iFreilicht]

Very cool! I like Type B most as a short-term thing, but I'd be interested in something like Type E with a little different bottom row. The spacebar is too far to the right in my opinion, I'd rather have it centered.

Love the concepts here. I have the following plate on the way via @swillkb's plate designer tool:

(Attachment Link)

If you wish, feel free to incorporate this into your designs.

This is a good start, but what I have in mind is something more like this:

(Attachment Link)

Symmetrical gaps towards the sides and allows for 5-7 thumbkeys.

thats a good layout but getting 3u stab and wire its really hard and of course 3u caps is a problem too xD

Well if there was an option to replace the 3u spacebar with two 1.5u keys, that would be fine with me as well.

[yasintahir]

well since banana split put arrow cluster on his new layout. And if this project would be happened we need high moq for make this pcb from leeku, so  i think i will join banana split project and this project will stopped. If anyone want to continue this project feel free to use this layout 

[gnmar2723]

I would definitely be interested in this! You should do something like the XD60 where many many odd layouts are supported.

[ideus]

I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

[apaskal]

I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

Space-FN is fine except when fast typing

[jchan94]

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out . Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

[Tom_Kazansky]

I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

Space-FN is fine except when fast typing

I am using Fn-Space but sometimes I mixed up Alt and Fn  , I guess Space-Fn is better

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out . Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

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eh... no "/ ?" key?  :confused:



EDIT: lets wait for Banana Split  :p

[yasintahir]

I would definitely be interested in this! You should do something like the XD60 where many many odd layouts are supported.

I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out . Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

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I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

Space-FN is fine except when fast typing :(

I am using Fn-Space but sometimes I mixed up Alt and Fn  :-[ , I guess Space-Fn is better

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out :). Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

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eh... no "/ ?" key? 



EDIT: lets wait for Banana Split 

imo i dont like xd60 style because no "/ ?" key we can remap it to another position but i dont like unstandard alpha so if this project still happen i will keep hhkb style maybe just more bottom row combination.

and jchan if u want make custom case for this project it's will be great 

[jchan94]

I would definitely be interested in this! You should do something like the XD60 where many many odd layouts are supported.

I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out . Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

Show Image

I do use arrows in IJKL positions since I discovered the Space-FN concept, it is so natural.

Space-FN is fine except when fast typing :(

I am using Fn-Space but sometimes I mixed up Alt and Fn  :-[ , I guess Space-Fn is better

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out :). Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

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eh... no "/ ?" key? 



EDIT: lets wait for Banana Split 

imo i dont like xd60 style because no "/ ?" key we can remap it to another position but i dont like unstandard alpha so if this project still happen i will keep hhkb style maybe just more bottom row combination.

and jchan if u want make custom case for this project it's will be great 

Haha, yeah I definitely need the "/ ?". It's a pretty important key. Funky! I'm just thinking that the GH60 can be used as a base. Just add the extra compatibility / change the bottom row to fit this

[kmba]

I really think the ultimate 60% with arrows allow for 6 keys on the bottom row aside from the arrows and space.  Personally if I could get left control, left alt, left win, right control, right alt, and a function key in there somewhere (anywhere), it would be awesome.  D allows for that, but with a small space, which isn't optimal.  I would sacrifice and go with a non-standard arrow key layout (up arrow on the right of the right shift, move all arrows keys to far right) in order to fit extra keys on r4.

[Giorgio]

I would suggest at looking at the newest revision of the GH60 SATAN as a reference. It has QMK/TMK support + it has arrows on it. People refer to it as the "XD60" right now for the arrow version. Just a reference but I hope you figure this project out . Looks exciting! The "HHKB" versions look interesting and I'd love to see an offer for a custom case.

In any case, good luck!

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too bad that it's not compatible with iso...
Anyway it has 5 1u keys, which are perfect for vim-style arrows.

[ArchDill]

Interested

[ideus]

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

[Trente]

This looks interesting, definitely keeping an eye on it

[yasintahir]

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

It's compatible... here's the final layout compability for this pcb but some layout lose 1 bottom screw for 60% case
and idk i will keep doing this project or not 

[Giorgio]

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

It's compatible... here's the final layout compability for this pcb but some layout lose 1 bottom screw for 60% case
and idk i will keep doing this project or not 

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I know that in your mind this suggestion probably kills the purpose of this gb, but is this compatible with a standard r_shift?

[yasintahir]

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

It's compatible... here's the final layout compability for this pcb but some layout lose 1 bottom screw for 60% case
and idk i will keep doing this project or not 

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I know that in your mind this suggestion probably kills the purpose of this gb, but is this compatible with a standard r_shift?

sure that's possible to add standard r_shift, but this main purpose is 60% + arrow cluster right?
but i will consider that coz its not big deal to add standard r_shift

[menuhin]

What is the pin diameter for switch pin holes and LED pin holes?
Will it be compatible to hotswappable mods?

No soldering is required for 1.5mm switch pin holes, but I forgot the size for compatible LED pin holes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5a399o/guide_how_to_make_your_pcb_hotswappable/

[yasintahir]

What is the pin diameter for switch pin holes and LED pin holes?
Will it be compatible to hotswappable mods?

No soldering is required for 1.5mm switch pin holes, but I forgot the size for compatible LED pin holes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5a399o/guide_how_to_make_your_pcb_hotswappable/

nah i dont know about size hole XD this pcb will be doing by leeku... i just collecting people to make this pcb happened 

[menuhin]

Please send a message to Leeku about the pin hole sizes.

[menuhin]

Some more questions:

1. Will the PCB be supporting only MX switches? By any chance it can be made to support also Alps switches?

2. Will there be any (Korean?) keyboard makers interested in creating blocked-corner cases that support this awesome layout?

Thanks.

[ideus]

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

It's compatible... here's the final layout compability for this pcb but some layout lose 1 bottom screw for 60% case
and idk i will keep doing this project or not 

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Wow! this could be the most flexible 60 layout ever.

[menuhin]

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

It's compatible... here's the final layout compability for this pcb but some layout lose 1 bottom screw for 60% case
and idk i will keep doing this project or not 

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Wow! this could be the most flexible 60 layout ever.

+1

It's perhaps one of the most effortless arrow cluster implementations on a 60%.
If Leeku is going to create it, this PCB definitely deserve an IC/GB of some proper Korean custom case.

[yasintahir]

Some more questions:

1. Will the PCB be supporting only MX switches? By any chance it can be made to support also Alps switches?

2. Will there be any (Korean?) keyboard makers interested in creating blocked-corner cases that support this awesome layout?

Thanks.

already ask to leeku about the pin hole size, now we wait him to reply

and for your another question :
1. Yes for now it will be for cherry mx only
2. Idk about blocked-corner but if u scroll up jchan said would make custom cases for this pcb 

EDIT : it's 1,6mm pin hole size

No ISO compatibility? It's a deal breaker for me.

It's compatible... here's the final layout compability for this pcb but some layout lose 1 bottom screw for 60% case
and idk i will keep doing this project or not 

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Wow! this could be the most flexible 60 layout ever.

already ask leeku about last final layout concept, if he said it possible to make yes it's become most flexible layout ever !  :p

[ArchDill]

Is this going to happen?