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Offline menuhin

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Bottom rows of profile R4 + R4 vs R4 + R5: how different is that?
« on: Wed, 07 December 2016, 13:50:32 »
Not until recently I just realized most of the keysets have their bottom two rows (the 'Z' row and the space bar and Ctrl Alt row) designed as R4 + R4 profile (e.g. GMK Dolch, Hyperfuse, etc)
There's obviously also the R4 and R5 bottom row profile in some older keysets and a few new one, for example this GMK WoB:


How big of a difference does the two profile settings give you? Why there aren't too many R4+R5 keysets out there nowadays?
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Re: Bottom rows of profile R4 + R4 vs R4 + R5: how different is that?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 14:33:44 »
Cherry used A row profile (R5 in GMK's terminology) in the early nineties.

Original Shift (B/R4) and Ctrl (A/R5) caps from a vintage G80-1000HFD:


But in '95 they added the windows keys, and since then they are not using that row profile any more.
Newer Cherry keyboards use B row profile (=R4) for Ctrl/Alt/Win keys (same as Shift.)
« Last Edit: Sun, 11 December 2016, 14:44:51 by nyunyu »

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Re: Bottom rows of profile R4 + R4 vs R4 + R5: how different is that?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 16:01:50 »
That white on black set is one of the very few that include the now forgotten Row A bottom row, as an option. It even includes a Row A windows key.

Regarding your questions. You can really feel the difference between Row B and Row A profiles. The last is very angled, therefore your thumbs and pinkies will feel the difference for sure. I can use both; but, I prefer the Row A for the bottom row.

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Re: Bottom rows of profile R4 + R4 vs R4 + R5: how different is that?
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 11 December 2016, 16:10:41 »
R4 on the left, R5 on the right.


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Re: Bottom rows of profile R4 + R4 vs R4 + R5: how different is that?
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 11 January 2017, 19:16:15 »
I've got some RGB mods from an old and rare Desko set that are vintage Row A on my Leeku 1800 and I love the angle. It's really nice to have on my Ctrl and Alt (1.5u), wish I had more vintage Row A caps in 1.5 and 1.25u.