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Offline weichenyang0723

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Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« on: Sun, 27 September 2020, 19:41:50 »
I am always curious about why so people like hiragana sublegends ? I've had let so many sets go by because it has sublegends on it and I personally just think it is claustrophobic (? LOL) and not as clean. I know many that don't even know Japanese at all are into it, why? Can someone explain it to me?

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 27 September 2020, 19:52:27 »
You have to understand, there's a lot of other people that aren't you. I would also say some people don't think about that stuff enough to be bothered by it.

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 27 September 2020, 20:11:36 »
well that is precisely why I wanted to ask, why ? I don't know if you took my question as some sort of an attack or not but I am genuinely curious. For people that use Japanese, that is a no brainer, but I see many that buy sets with hiragana sublegends don't belong in that category. I am sure the majority of people here would disagree with me (you for me LOL) on the look of sublegends, but the fact is that there are so many sets with hiragana sublegends in their base sets must mean it is very popular. Is it an aesthetic thing ? to have a foreign language on your keyboard much like people tattooing chinese character on their body ? or do people simply don't care ?

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 00:28:54 »
I am agnostic to it, but I can see why people can perceive it as looking cluttered/clautrophobic.
However people love the look of the language/character of Japanese characters, so it's just an aesthetic preference, cause it's definitely not functional.
People just like the extra sauce/flair of japanese characters (see SuperDry clothing brand that's actually a UK company).
I also think there's a large population of weebs and japanophiles in the geek community too, leading to a higher proportion of preferred taste.


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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 01:56:42 »
I also think there's a large population of weebs and japanophiles in the geek community too, leading to a higher proportion of preferred taste.

I think that this is it. It's just a fairly common intersection of two interests.

Personally I find foreign languages crammed onto a keyboard far too crowded, and a bit weird or in slightly questionable taste if someone doesn't write in that language. Not enough to make any sort of deal out of, though.

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 11:14:15 »
For the same reason Cyrillic legends are popular. Many people think they just look cool.

I think it's kind of funny though because, AFAIK, it doesn't happen the other way around. Japanese and Russian keyboard enthusiasts don't go out of their way to use keycaps with Latin sub-legends on them just because they think they look cool.

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 11:48:12 »
I think it's kind of funny though because, AFAIK, it doesn't happen the other way around. Japanese and Russian keyboard enthusiasts don't go out of their way to use keycaps with Latin sub-legends on them just because they think they look cool.

It's not quite the same thing, since the standard in Japan is to have both Latin characters with hiragana sublegends, but anecdotally I have met quite a few Japanese people who go out of their way to use keycaps which only feature the Latin characters and omit the hiragana sublegends, because they think it looks cool/clean.  On the other hand, I have never met a Japanese person who wanted a hiragana monolegend set, although that would be at least as clean as the Latin monolegends. I think this is partly a function of kana input methods being relatively minor in Japan (most people use a romaji-based input method so the Latin characters are actually more useful), and partly because they do think all-Latin looks cooler than all-Kana, which to a Japanese eye can probably look a bit babyish.

For my part, I do type Japanese using the kana input method, so I actually get some utility out of the kana legends, but given that I touch-type in both languages it doesn't matter too much and I definitely make the decision based more on aesthetics than utility.  I tend to prefer monolegend sets -- either Latin or kana -- but the fly in the ointment for me is that it's very hard to find a Latin monolegend set which supports the JIS layout (eagerly awaiting GMK JIS!), so I end up with a lot of kana monolegend or sublegend sets as those are the ones which support my layout.  Hopefully that will change as people become more aware of what JIS support entails and kits like GMK JIS open the door for future sets to make use of JIS-compatible moulds.

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 12:25:17 »
Has there been any key set that has been a straight replica of old MSX, FMTowns, PC8800/9800 or X68000 keys?

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 13:10:47 »
I think I may have phrased my question wrong here a bit, definitely not a hater on japanese character here more so having sublegends. Just that I see so many sets that feature hiragana sublegends. I do quite like the look of something like gmk masterpiece.  :)

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 28 September 2020, 17:49:35 »
Its made for people that type in Japanese and want to alternate between regular en hiragana. Nah its just weebs that want weeaboo legend lol. But mostly its because sub legends look cool. I don't like japanese sub legends but hangul looks cool or russian cyrillic.
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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 29 September 2020, 11:47:06 »
I guess it depends on the kind of nerd you are. I prefer Greek/Math sublegends (Space Cadet) or Tengwar sublegends (MT3 Sindarin) over Hiragana or Cyrillic sublegends. That's because I'm a much bigger fan of computers and Tolkien than I am of anime or ... Tolstoy?

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 01 October 2020, 08:03:50 »
sublegends can look good and there are a lot of weebs so the most popular is going to be hiragana, i have an Hebrew (HP 46021) and soon will have an hiragana (gmk darling) sublegended keyboards just because of the extra colors on the caps and less empty space.
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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 17:05:40 »
I agree with the OP and I can actually read them. 
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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 17:33:42 »
I like them because it helps me type Japanese quicker T.T

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 18:12:28 »
weebs

this is the answer

I think it's kind of funny though because, AFAIK, it doesn't happen the other way around. Japanese and Russian keyboard enthusiasts don't go out of their way to use keycaps with Latin sub-legends on them just because they think they look cool.



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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 20:51:01 »
Personally I like the look of sub legends on keysets that I find rather plain, having the extra color on the alphas looks nice in my opinion.  Looking at something recent like GMK Demon Sword, I like the extra color because I think it adds to the set as a whole, but I also really like how it looks without the subs, just simple blue and white

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Re: Why do people like hiragana sublegends ?
« Reply #16 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 20:55:46 »
But yeah, I wouldn't get a Keycap set with a sub legend I couldn't read. I actually use Japanese day to day at work and have always wanted to learn the 'full-width' version of the IME (where you don't just spell it in romaji to get the Hiragana to pop up)