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Offline MsKeyboard

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« Reply #50 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 12:01:02 »
I really like this keyboard, and time will tell what happens with the keys, but for now they look pretty good and feel nice.  Other than some overspray on the orange (extra) keys, you are not going to see all these addtional layers.  And as I said earlier, the characters are nice and clear, especially when illuminated.

Also, they are working on adding some Browns into the lineup, but that should not dissuade anyone from the Blues.  And if illumination is not your thing, the non-lit version will be here soon.

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« Reply #51 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 12:03:06 »
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GUYS. Great news.

It's dye sub! No wearing out! :D


Ok, it's a bit more complicated than that.



I'd save this for the review, but I wanted to put fears in that direction to rest before they take hold.


So it's a lasered key?

Offline MsKeyboard

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« Reply #52 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 12:07:44 »
Yes, it is lasered, but you will not feel the etching, very much looks and feels like double-shot

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« Reply #53 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 12:29:58 »
It's a rubber coated lasered dye-sub key.
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Offline MsKeyboard

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« Reply #54 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 12:32:59 »
With the "use it and lose it" world we are currently living in, I think you are going to be hard pressed to find companies making products like keyboards with the thought that they will still be in use 20 or more years from now.  Example, the Realforce products.  This company goes the extra mile and produces a keyboard that functions very well, has great engineering, and should outlast most other offerings currently on the market, but all you hear is "OMG, that is EXPENSIVE!"

Here you have a company, iOne, who is attempting to place a product on the market that satisfies several wants and wishes, and comes up with a method of producing the keys in such a way as to keep the cost down.  Even at this level, go back and see the posts where people are complaining about the cost, it seems to be a no win situation.

I think iOne is on the right track this time.  They listened to what customers were looking for, produced a product that incorporates those wants at a price that won't keep away a majority of prospective customers, and takes their chances.  Could they have gone the double-shot route, yes.  Would as many people still buy it when it tops $200, doubtful.  Will most of the buyers move onto something else in a couple years, probably.

Of course, YMMV.....................later

Offline MsKeyboard

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« Reply #55 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 13:22:03 »
I don't really know what the answer is, but sooner or later someone is going to figure out the right combination.  We seem to get very few complaints across the list of offerings, regardless of what form of printing or coating is used.  Mostly problems seem to follow those who use consistently use hand lotion.

While I don't know how this method will hold up in the long run, the system looks pretty clean and flawless right now.............later

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 13:45:36 »
Oh..........to be young and in love!

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 14:04:26 »
Head'n to Newport Beach soon for some R and R, a little salt air should clear that right up!

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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 14:18:37 »
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Offline MsKeyboard

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 14:26:01 »
Planning on spending the bulk of my time cruizin the boardwalk, tan lines should be wiped out in a couple of days ;)

BTW...did you find any Katayaki cookies while in Japan?  Loved the pictures....

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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 15:56:25 »
loved the pictures.  Actually traveled to Japan about 25 years ago, but too young to remember or care much, would really like to go back now though.

Way back then, seeing your cigarette machine, you could actually purchase beer and sake out of vending machines right on the street.  Bought a few Coke products in little skinny cans, don't know where those went.  Also, bought a miniature lion made out of actual lion fur, probably get you arrested now.  Also, looking at your street vendor pictures I could actually smell the food!  That really brought back some memories..........Thanks

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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 17:04:57 »
I've got my sample. Getting used to MX blues and ANSI layout again, fun. :p

First impressions: not bad. The switches are a bit quieter and lower pitched than the blues on the Das, probably since they're PCB mounted instead of plate. Bottoming out has a different pitch as well. The outward construction quality seems fairly good, but thee lower weight and thinner body make it "feel" cheaper than the Das. The backlighting is good and bright... maybe too bright. It's a little annoying past setting 1 or 2. Also you can tell that the LEDs aren't centered. You can tell very easily on the F keys with media functions, for instance F1 is illuminated but the mute legend under it is not. The light also won't illuminate the whole of Enter or Backspace. Keycaps feel... Different. Not at all like the laser etched keys I've been using for the past six months. They aren't really "textured" but they feel a little "soft" while still being sturdy. Odd. The rubber coating is very thin, which I think means it will ultimately be more resistant to peeling, since there's less "leverage" than if it were thicker. It makes sense in my head. The font is good, though everything is bolded and the Enter, Shift, Caps, etc. legends look huge when the backlighting is off. The wrist rest is alright but feels kind of cheap and the mounting could use some improvement. The feet are very sturdy and snap into position very nicely; much better than the ****ty Cherry G80 feet. It comes with some orange keycaps for WASD, not really my style, and one of the "ring" style keycap pullers. Oddly, the puller works quite well on my G80, but not so well on the U9BL. It seems the housing fits closer around the keycaps on the XArmor, so it's harder to get the puller in there. It also leaves score marks on the coating, that's a definite problem. They should have used a wire puller instead of the plastic ring.



Over all it's not bad, I like it, but there's some definite room for improvement. It comes with more features than Deck, and if you buy from their site the first 500 get a free optical gaming mouses. Plus they have a 25% student/teacher discount, which knocks it down to $127.50, which is an excellent price. But $170, this versus a Deck Ice? I'd lean toward the Deck just a bit.
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« Reply #62 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 17:07:15 »
It's nice to have a good keycap puller. They sure beat the old Pry-the-damn-key-out-with-a-PCI-patch trick. And I'm glad you like your new keyboard!
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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 10 August 2010, 20:54:59 »
Thanks.


Hey, someone want to post the serial # off of theirs? I want to figure out the numbering scheme. If it works the way I think it does then I have the 99th retail unit made. :)
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« Reply #64 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 13:08:55 »
Well, I said I would get back with some impressions when I had a chance to use the keyboard for a while. I received mine last Friday so I've been using it for several days. My review ended up being longer than I expected, so I decided to put it into a blog post:
http://blog.controlspace.org/2010/08/review-xarmor-u9bl-illuminated_11.html

If you want to skip that and go straight to the 50+ pictures I took (some macros), here is the link for picasa web:
http://picasaweb.google.com/rawlinc/ControlSpaceXArmorU9BL?feat=flashalbum#5503655463352314642
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« Reply #65 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 14:40:08 »
Just did my dissection. Build quality is very solid, it isn't a plate-mounted board so it doesn't have the heavy "indestructible" feel of a Filco or Das, but there's nothing much to complain about. One screwhole did strip when I opened it up; that may be random chance, or they might want to use slightly tougher plastic. But the majority of users won't be opening it up so I can't hit on that too much.

The PCB is very well done, all solder points clean, no cold joints. There was no leftover flux, except for traces around the SMD stuff for the controller. This makes sense since they send them out to another company to do the SMD work. iOne makes the PCB and solders on the switches, then cleans the board, then XArmor sends the PCB to the SMD place and they maybe don't do as thorough a job cleaning. But overall there's nothing to complain about on the electrical side.
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« Reply #66 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 14:59:09 »
No, this is the most beautiful PCB:



Delta's soldering is kickass. Yay for robots!
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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 15:01:11 »
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Well, I said I would get back with some impressions when I had a chance to use the keyboard for a while. I received mine last Friday so I've been using it for several days. My review ended up being longer than I expected, so I decided to put it into a blog post:
http://blog.controlspace.org/2010/08/review-xarmor-u9bl-illuminated_11.html

If you want to skip that and go straight to the 50+ pictures I took (some macros), here is the link for picasa web:
http://picasaweb.google.com/rawlinc/ControlSpaceXArmorU9BL?feat=flashalbum#5503655463352314642


good pics. Didn't read the review yet but curious to see how long these last (keys). It is cool they are shipping with extra caps and a puller though...
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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 15:16:47 »
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Nice pics Rawc.  I liked the VCR vs DVD analogy (although DVD vs BluRay is more up to date).


Yeah, DVD vs BluRay would be more up to date, but I don't have Bluray yet :-P

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Thanks for catching that. I added link to geekhack since it has been one of the best resources of information for keyboard info.

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I copy and pasted??? I have looked at quite a few resources of keyboard information over the last several weeks. If there is something I wrote that resembles a wiki guide on geekhack, I'd be happy to change it and/or give credit where it is due...but I didn't copy and paste anything.

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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 16:20:50 »
Rubber coating?  I have lots of formerly rubber-coated electronics to know that a rubber-coated keyboard is the wrong idea.  At least they laser it so when the rubber wears off you can still see the key legends.  Bleah!!

Oh, and to me, it does not look anything like the Adesso MK135B circuit board.

As for the Rube Goldberg process there has to be some way to let the light through, after all.

Hey Ripster we need you to re-do these pics using a good macro lens that can focus properly.
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Offline Phaedrus2129

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« Reply #70 on: Wed, 11 August 2010, 21:33:52 »
I'm using the orange WASD keycaps. Eeehhh... It does help break up the monotony of blue and black, but I wonder why they chose orange. Also, they're the same color as my guitar picks (which I bought 300 of two years ago), so I keep thinking "wtf is a pick doing on my keyboard".
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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 12 August 2010, 17:36:51 »
So how long before one of you takes some sand paper and starts rubbing on one of those keys to tell us how long it lasts.

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« Reply #72 on: Thu, 12 August 2010, 17:41:17 »
Do you have sandpaper fingers?
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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 12 August 2010, 18:17:19 »
Not sure if it has been posted but seems like a quick intro video was made.

XArmor U9BL LED backlit illuminated mechanical key switch gaming keyboard review

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 12 August 2010, 19:26:26 »
If I was 14 years old again, I'd be allover that thing.

I don't know whether that's a compliment or an insult :P

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« Reply #75 on: Fri, 13 August 2010, 16:48:58 »
My review should be up tonight or tomorrow morning, depending on how lazy I am. Geekhack, BROTHA REPRESENT!!




Unfortunately it clashes with orange, and the backlight doesn't shine through it.

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 19 August 2010, 17:32:13 »
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"The keycap is molded with translucent ABS plastic, then we dye-sub the outer part with black color..."


This ridiculous printing technique gave me an idea... could Unicomp take a white keycap, and dye sub all of it black except for the shape of the letter to be printed, which would be the underlying colour? A bit like double-shot molding, except using dye-sub instead of molding =P

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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 19 August 2010, 19:29:06 »
I hope this keyboard sells better than the Razer Black Widow.  So it doesn't have some extra macro keys/software and shine and marketing.  Unfortunately, it currently costs more than the Razer product?  Where can you buy one?  Not that I need to know, I'm not going to buy a board with blues.
This one does have extra keys, key puller, a real wrist rest, NKRO, etc.  Although, I don't need keys, or wrist rest.  To that effect, at least this rest is removeable.
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« Reply #78 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 05:35:41 »
Any updates from U9BL owners on the rubberized keycaps? Any word on when they're likely to release a brown switch version?

nitpick: I wish the ctrl key was a bit longer =/ short control key can make holding down control and shift together a problem, since if your pinky is centered on the control it's going to be about on the left edge of the shift.

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Nice fingernails! (hope she doesn't wear off that rubber)

I hope their process for getting her to do that video wasn't just "hey, let's find a GIRL with nice looking hands and nails! that will get people to watch!" It really sounded like they just grabbed some poor woman at random to do the video, rather than either someone used to doing PR work or someone who really was involved with the design process.

That aside, the entire fingernails issue is a concern for me. I've worn off the key lettering on so many boards with my nails >.>; Not that mine are super long or anything, but I usually keep them a bit longer than hers.

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« Reply #79 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 13:46:27 »
Haven't had mine long enough to comment on the coating. Keeping hands clean and hoping for the best.


I emailed them last week about the release date on the new board with Brown switches. They said January to early February priced comparable to the U9BL.

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« Reply #80 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 20:33:32 »
*drums her fingers*

Should I just be happy with my 8963 for now, get a U9BL ~now~ with blues and try the blue -> brown mod (or swap out stems from my 8963), wait for a U9BL with browns to come out, get a cheapo used TG3 (and mod it to ghetto red) and a genovation/etc keypad and go tenkeyless with numpad to my left, get an MY and mod it to featherweight, or something else... decisions, blah >.<;

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I emailed them last week about the release date on the new board with Brown switches. They said January to early February priced comparable to the U9BL.

Either way, thank you for the update =)

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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 12 December 2010, 20:57:27 »
XArmor products supposed to be coming out next year:

U9
U9PLUS
U9W
U9BL-S
U9GBL
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