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[IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65% (Dead 5/10/2018)
« on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:32:54 »
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Hello, and welcome to MEME.



Now, I've never made or run a keyboard group buy before, but I do have limited experience in running group buys, having run a couple in preparation for something bigger, like this. I currently operate switchmod.net.

MEME is a gasket-mounted 65% that pulled quite a bit of aesthetic inspiration largely from the look of Topre Realforce boards. The board was originally meant as a one-or two-off, but due to the financial unfeasibility of the entire circumstance, I decided to run it as a group buy. However, I have mostly maintained the design choices that were made, and will not change the board any further than I have up until now, bar some small improvements along the way.

The board features:

  • 6061 anodized aluminum
  • A QMK-Compatible PCB
  • An anodized 6061 aluminum badge that is able to be screwed out and replaced as accent pieces. The badge will feature the word "meme," but a blank variant will also be available.
  • Two replaceable daughterboard pcbs, one USB-mini and one USB-C, which can be interchanged.
  • An anodized aluminum plate that supports switchtop removal
  • 8 Custom made Silicone Gaskets
  • M65-A rubber feet



The MEME will be machined and anodized in the United States. I think it's important to be able to maintain constant contact with my machinist and have them understand me 100%. I believe that this will also vastly expedite the wait times and any issues can be addressed much faster.

I am currently working on having a prototype made, so I will just put my to-do list here:

  • Finish Board Design
  • Finish PCB Design
  • Contact Elastomer Company regarding gaskets
  • 3/13/2018 Put in order for prototype PCBS
  • 3/23/2018 Receive and test prototype pcbs
  • Start machining the prototype case
  • Assemble the prototype board
  • Run the group buy.



The group buy will be a raffle-style buy, with 30 available units. I am projecting a target price of $450 per kit before shipping.

Included Layouts:



PCB+ Daughterboard:
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password: spoiler

Thank you for checking out MEME! There will be more info made available on this thread as the project progresses.



Thank you to riotonthebay, jchan94, hineybush, ai03, and the various slacks and discords I'm in for supporting my endeavor into actual keyboards.

More Renders: https://www.flickr.com/photos/102874444@N07/sets/72157691556531834


Update 2 - 3/13/2018:

Prototype PCBs have been ordered! They will be in my hands hopefully by the month's end.

Thank you for your continued interest in my project.


Update 3 - 3/23/2018:

Prototype PCBs have arrived! They'll be by the beginning of April. After we see that everything works, especially regarding the daughterboards, I'll move on to getting the prototype case made.



Production PCBs will be matte black with a white silkscreen. The pictured prototypes are not indicative of the final product, and are only for test purposes.

Update 4 - 4/4/2018:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94467.msg2588080#msg2588080

Update 5 - Road bumps and Progress: 4/10/2018

Snag hit, we've got some small problems with the daughterboard, JST connector cables, and the PCB.

We've rectified our issues but will need new prototype pcbs. +1 1/2 week to project time while those arrive.

Thanks to Wilba for helping us out with our troubles, and for a hookup.


Prototype Case Status: Waiting for a quote, and ready to place an order.
Gasket Status: In production.

Removed colors Brown, Orange, Yellow, and Olive Drab from color table. Orange will be available as a badge color, but not as a case color. Gold is close enough to yellow to not need both.

Want to vote the on final PCB Color? Cast your vote here: https://www.strawpoll.me/15478962

PCB color will be picked from the strawpoll at the end of the IC.


Update 4/30/2018: oof

Final quotes have just arrived, and they're actually a lot higher than I expected them to be. I am considering running this at a lower volume because I do not believe I can reach MOQ otherwise with this increased price. The new case would cost near $550, and the PCB, plate, gaskets, and screws would end up costing more. The revised kit pricing would be around $675, which is unacceptably high to me.

I'm going back to the drawing board a bit to see if I can make any changes that lower the price at all.

I am also now considering overseas manufacturing, but as a complete newbie in the field, I don't know where to go and what to use. As a student with finals week approaching, I don't even really have the time to look into it at the moment.

What do you guys think of this change in plans?

PS: If you've got another source I could look into for machining, let me know.

PPS: Also considering running 2 cases and ending the project.


5/10/2018: Project Death

I've moved manufacture of this project to the East, and thus, the original intent of getting a very low quantity buy can be re-fulfilled. 2-5 MEMEs will be made, and none will be available publicly.

This post marks the death of the project for the public.

This has certainly been a learning experience and I will take everything into my next project, which will also be not only gasket mounted, but also cheaper.

Thank you for your continued interest in the project.

Apologies for those of you who I accidentally hyped.

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« Last Edit: Sun, 03 June 2018, 20:53:58 by Krelbit »

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:36:08 »
Lovely rendering and detailed IC opening post. I will be interested depending on financial ability.

 I'd love to hear more about the usage of gasket mount as this progresses.

Will the PCB be easily replaceable despite being custom?

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:36:11 »
 :thumb: nice byron
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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:37:05 »
hell ye, more gasket mount keebs pls

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:37:30 »
I really like the look of this.
Price seems a little on the high side for me
Will different colors be possible?

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:37:43 »
Good progress. Nice to see that daughter boards are becoming a thing  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:38:17 »
Lovely rendering and detailed IC opening post. I will be interested depending on financial ability.

 I'd love to hear more about the usage of gasket mount as this progresses.

Will the PCB be easily replaceable despite being custom?

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Sadly, it is a fairly nonstandard pcb, as it uses JST connectors to branch onto the daughterboard. Extras will be offered at group buy.

:thumb: nice byron

Thanks, chravez.

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:38:50 »
Really like the option between mini and C. Definitely interested.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:42:01 »
hell ye, more gasket mount keebs pls

hell ye

Really like the option between mini and C. Definitely interested.  :thumb:

Thank you!

I really like the look of this.
Price seems a little on the high side for me
Will different colors be possible?

Sorry it's a bit too expensive! The gasket mounting and the badge, which I consider to be the two main features of the board, are kind of a pain to machine and therefore cost quite a bit more.
Different colors will be available.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:44:20 »
Count me in man. Good work and I really like the gasket mounts. Pretty nice.


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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:50:14 »
Guess i'm the only one that doesn't know what a gasket mount is?

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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:54:22 »
disappointed you did not keep the original name of penisboard

Guess i'm the only one that doesn't know what a gasket mount is?

the plate is held in place by rubber gaskets as opposed to screws
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[IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:17:27 »
disappointed you did not keep the original name of penisboard

Guess i'm the only one that doesn't know what a gasket mount is?

the plate is held in place by rubber gaskets as opposed to screws
Honey pls. Ghetto gasket mount is the way to go.. rubber o-rings on the screw mounts (think, same way as a washer on a screw)

Works like a charm on an acrylic board.. probably not so well trying to fit inside a sandwich style alu case

Edit: this board well inspired. Will be good :thumb:
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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:19:26 »
Count me in man. Good work and I really like the gasket mounts. Pretty nice.


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Thanks, Mike! Love ya.

Guess i'm the only one that doesn't know what a gasket mount is?

The plate will be held in place with silicone gaskets, rather than screws. This results in a really tight and secure friction fit for the plate.

disappointed you did not keep the original name of penisboard

Pls, that wasn't even the real name.

disappointed you did not keep the original name of penisboard

Guess i'm the only one that doesn't know what a gasket mount is?

the plate is held in place by rubber gaskets as opposed to screws
Honey pls. Ghetto gasket mount is the way to go.. rubber o-rings on the screw mounts (think, same way as a washer on a screw)

Works like a charm on an acrylic board.. probably not so well trying to fit inside a sandwich style alu case

Edit: this board well inspired. Will be good :thumb:

Cheers!

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:25:06 »
this upsets me greatly and I will get one

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:32:02 »
I'm super excited to be a part of this project!

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:44:28 »
This looks great.  Hopefully can be lucky enough when the raffle time comes.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:47:35 »
this upsets me greatly and I will get one

xoxo

I'm super excited to be a part of this project!

I'm super excited to be a part of this project too.

This looks great.  Hopefully can be lucky enough when the raffle time comes.

Thanks!

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 17:58:35 »
I love it more than love itself <2

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 18:23:51 »
Really nice looking board  :cool:

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:06:57 »
Clean but attractive.  I like it.

...wish it had costar support though :(

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:16:49 »
Clean but attractive.  I like it.

...wish it had costar support though :(

Get on it hiney/krel, this is true meme status

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:20:01 »
I love it more than love itself <2

<2

Really nice looking board  :cool:

Thank you!

Clean but attractive.  I like it.

...wish it had costar support though :(

costar is a sin and you should feel bad

Clean but attractive.  I like it.

...wish it had costar support though :(

Get on it hiney/krel, this is true meme status

no pls


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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:22:53 »
Clean but attractive.  I like it.

...wish it had costar support though :(

Get on it hiney/krel, this is true meme status

no pls

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:31:13 »
I like it. This is in fact what I thought the Norbaforce would end up looking like.
But please OP, please consider changing the name :confused:
There's no way in hell am I going to tolerate seeing the word "meme" whenever I look down on my keyboard  :-X
Laugh if you want, but yeah, serious deal-breaker for me :[
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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:48:33 »
I like it. This is in fact what I thought the Norbaforce would end up looking like.
But please OP, please consider changing the name :confused:
There's no way in hell am I going to tolerate seeing the word "meme" whenever I look down on my keyboard  :-X
Laugh if you want, but yeah, serious deal-breaker for me :[

Blank badges will be available. :p

You'll still have to call it your MEME, though.

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 19:59:19 »
Any possibility of an option for blocked corners?

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:06:44 »
Any possibility of an option for blocked corners?

I don't see it as an improvement.

So no.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:29:20 »
So down

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:52:29 »
Clean but attractive.  I like it.

...wish it had costar support though :(

costar is a sin and you should feel bad

I do feel bad.  I feel bad for all the poor souls out there who can't experience the glory that is costar and are suffering under the oppression of awful cherry stabs.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 21:14:47 »
this upsets me greatly and I will get one

xoxo

I'm super excited to be a part of this project!

I'm super excited to be a part of this project too.

This looks great.  Hopefully can be lucky enough when the raffle time comes.

Thanks!
I'm super excited you're super excited to be a part of your own project

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 21:26:32 »
So down

Thanks!

this upsets me greatly and I will get one

xoxo

I'm super excited to be a part of this project!

I'm super excited to be a part of this project too.

This looks great.  Hopefully can be lucky enough when the raffle time comes.

Thanks!
I'm super excited you're super excited to be a part of your own project

I'm super excited that you're super excited for me to be super excited to be part of my own project

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 21:59:18 »
You have my support.
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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:11:22 »
Oh man, this looks too good to pass up.  That black with the blue badge... right when Blue on Black is shipping.  You nasty, nasty man.

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 01:30:01 »
Amazing looking board! :)

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 02:12:33 »
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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 05:21:34 »
Very najs. Why gaskets on the top as opposed to the bottom of the plate? I've wondered if it would change how it feels, potentially a little softer? Though that might depend a bit on how tight if a fit it is.
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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 05:27:12 »
Very najs. Why gaskets on the top as opposed to the bottom of the plate? I've wondered if it would change how it feels, potentially a little softer? Though that might depend a bit on how tight if a fit it is.

If the gasket is on the bottom then it can be compressed which could produce some awful sounds since the plate could start tapping on the top case.

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 06:03:01 »
This looks super nice!
There is no ISO support, correct?
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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 09:00:32 »
You have my support.

You have my love.

Oh man, this looks too good to pass up.  That black with the blue badge... right when Blue on Black is shipping.  You nasty, nasty man.

Honestly I have no idea that set existed until now.

All you need is to make this TKL and the world will be a better place.

Half the inspiration came from the KeyCult No. 1, which is a gasket mounted tkl. The creator, riotonthebay, even helped out with giving me a source to get gaskets from! Check it out if you haven't yet seen it. I'll probably only ever make 65%s, because it's the only layout I use.


Very najs. Why gaskets on the top as opposed to the bottom of the plate? I've wondered if it would change how it feels, potentially a little softer? Though that might depend a bit on how tight if a fit it is.

If the tolerances aren't 100% on point we'd probably have rattle issues when putting the gaskets on the bottom.

This looks super nice!
There is no ISO support, correct?
Thank you!
I believe ISO and ANSI should have seperate pcbs and plates. A combined PCB/plate, in my opinion, compromises switch feel and overall stability for the appeasement of a smaller audience. If I were more confident in myself, I would expand the group buy to a possible 60 units with another group buy (and MOQ of 30) for the ISO version, but only if the ISO variant could hit MOQ, which I don't believe it can on its own. Therefore, there is no, and will never be, ISO support on my boards.

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 09:21:29 »
Pulling at my heart strings here Krelbit, 65%, gasket mounted, swappable daughter boards for whatever connection you want! :eek: I'm so down for this board, just hope I can get lucky enough to have the money in pocket & get in on the GB when it happens. Awesome work on this for sure! :thumb:

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:18:29 »
Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?


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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:23:28 »
Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?

Aesthetic: hex, slot, phillips
Function: slot, phillips, hex

If it strips, good luck getting a hex out easily :'( :'(

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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:34:08 »
Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?

Aesthetic: hex, slot, phillips
Function: slot, phillips, hex

If it strips, good luck getting a hex out easily :'( :'(


I've certainly been there...

Would using different screw heads for different places (like, slot for the badge and hex/phillips for the main body) be a good idea?

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« Reply #44 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 10:43:59 »
Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?

Aesthetic: hex, slot, phillips
Function: slot, phillips, hex

If it strips, good luck getting a hex out easily :'( :'(


I've certainly been there...

Would using different screw heads for different places (like, slot for the badge and hex/phillips for the main body) be a good idea?

Personally I prefer hex. However i like having matching sizes throughout which can be tricky using hex. I think Phillips is possibly the best in that regard, especially since you donít really need to crank down on them in this sort of application.

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« Reply #45 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:06:15 »
Would the board come with both a blank and a MEME badge? Or would we have to purchase both (If that's an option)?

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« Reply #46 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 11:10:39 »
I already have a spot right??? 🤔

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 14:16:05 »
Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?

Aesthetic: hex, slot, phillips
Function: slot, phillips, hex

If it strips, good luck getting a hex out easily :'( :'(


I've certainly been there...

Would using different screw heads for different places (like, slot for the badge and hex/phillips for the main body) be a good idea?

hex > all
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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 14:44:45 »
Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?

Aesthetic: hex, slot, phillips
Function: slot, phillips, hex

If it strips, good luck getting a hex out easily :'( :'(


I've certainly been there...

Would using different screw heads for different places (like, slot for the badge and hex/phillips for the main body) be a good idea?

Personally I prefer hex. However i like having matching sizes throughout which can be tricky using hex. I think Phillips is possibly the best in that regard, especially since you donít really need to crank down on them in this sort of application.

Well, I've happened upon a first crossroad. Having never run a keyboard group buy before, I honestly don't know which type of screw is more popular in the community!

Hex or Phillips?

Aesthetic: hex, slot, phillips
Function: slot, phillips, hex

If it strips, good luck getting a hex out easily :'( :'(


I've certainly been there...

Would using different screw heads for different places (like, slot for the badge and hex/phillips for the main body) be a good idea?

hex > all

I think I'll use a slot for the badge, as that'll be removed much more often and has a higher chance of stripping. Plus, you'll never see it anyways. Hex for the rest, though.

I already have a spot right??? 🤔

🤔 There are no spots in this raffle.

Would the board come with both a blank and a MEME badge? Or would we have to purchase both (If that's an option)?

You will receive both, but alternative colors will have to be purchased.

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Re: [IC] MEME | Gasket-Mount 65%
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 16:55:16 »
Super hyped for this board that top bezel tickles my fancy, I love it.  :thumb: