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V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« on: Sun, 01 April 2018, 21:31:21 »
Hello I'm just wondering if there's any update regarding the V2 version Topre Silence Rings?

For those who don't know I'm referring to this:  https://www.instagram.com/p/Bfe9T7MFuv1/?hl=en&taken-by=keyclack

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 05 April 2018, 12:53:27 »
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 05 April 2018, 13:27:22 »
FYI, jchan said he'll be away until 14th so you probably won't get an update until then

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 09 April 2018, 13:45:32 »
lol cool thanks for the heads up!

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 11 April 2018, 15:17:28 »
Hi,

So the proposed finalized fix, is because the of the tolerance of rubber rings, we have to change up the design.

Instead of having a design which goes around the rings, I'm currently working on one that goes in the housing. This will achieve the same silencing result, without the nuance of ring installation.

My current timeline is to finalize  the design and have samples by end of April ~

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This is because applying the adhesive to such a thin piece is not possible due to the the thinness. We've tried a few manufacturing methods, but none yielded a satisfactory result.
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 17:02:28 »
Awesome, thanks for the update!  :D

I'll go fiddle with my Cherry keyboards in the meantime lol.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 24 April 2018, 12:15:45 »
Any update?

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 24 April 2018, 16:12:33 »
Any update?

I'm waiting for the mold to be updated for production currently.

I'm expecting a production sample by 4/30, if not early May.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 09 May 2018, 23:25:33 »
Excited for these. Hoping to pick up another bag of 110 Heavy domes and a set of these rings when available.
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 05:55:17 »
Any news on this? I'm curious how they would work compared to Hypersphere's silencing rings, which I've been happy with on a HHKB Pro 2 and an ANSI Novatouch.
 

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:58:16 »
Any news on this? I'm curious how they would work compared to Hypersphere's silencing rings, which I've been happy with on a HHKB Pro 2 and an ANSI Novatouch.

I'm in the same boat, it's like all the existing solutions have their flaws so I'm hoping this would be the perfect middle ground.

KBDFans Rings = too thin, not enough dampen, but doesn't effect switch travel.
Hypersphere Rings = too thick, but dampen really well, but also effect switch travel.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 13:11:30 »
It probably depends on the hands typing. I donít really feel any difference between my HHKB Type-S and my HHKB Pro 2 with Hypersphereís rings installed to be honest. Iím still curious about these though.
 

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 17 May 2018, 13:24:55 »
I felt like the KBDfans rings are perfect, but I didn't swap to BKE domes or use any lube.

Worst part about it was the install though, so if these are easier to install without any reduced tactility then definitely interested...
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 20 May 2018, 11:35:18 »
It probably depends on the hands typing. I donít really feel any difference between my HHKB Type-S and my HHKB Pro 2 with Hypersphereís rings installed to be honest. Iím still curious about these though.

I used Hypersphere first then switch to KBDFans right after (same keyboard, Realforce 104UW), and there is definitely a noticeable difference in turns of tactility and travel reduction.

I felt like the KBDfans rings are perfect, but I didn't swap to BKE domes or use any lube.

Worst part about it was the install though, so if these are easier to install without any reduced tactility then definitely interested...

Yeah I agree KBDFans for the most part is not bad, once in a while you'll get 1 or 2 switch that's "sticky".  Sometimes the ring got stuck to the ceiling and when you type on it it goes out of align then the switch won't reset fully.

Hypersphere's dampining portion glued to a plastic ring (non sticky, but stiff) which prevent the ring from mis-alignment, drawback is that since it's 2 layers so it's thicker.

lol I guess silencing properly without the purple slider is pretty hard.
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 04 June 2018, 07:22:14 »
Have we heard an update regarding these? I bought these and the heavy domes back in Febuary, and I sent an email him back in mid April and he said it would be finished at the end of April.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 08 June 2018, 09:15:51 »
Have we heard an update regarding these? I bought these and the heavy domes back in Febuary, and I sent an email him back in mid April and he said it would be finished at the end of April.

I havenít seen any updates.  Same boat as you
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 08 June 2018, 09:38:51 »
I havenít seen any updates.  Same boat as you

Quite unfortunate for sure.. I see the domes posted in /r/mechmarket all the time and at this point I'm ready to just cancel my order.

Also coulnd't help but notice.. Tennessee, I haven't met many of us from TN but glad to know they are out there haha.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 09 June 2018, 09:50:29 »
He just put an update out yesterday showing the render of the new pads on instagram. Still seems like it's going to be a while before they're ready to ship.


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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 11 June 2018, 08:00:52 »
He just put an update out yesterday showing the render of the new pads on instagram. Still seems like it's going to be a while before they're ready to ship.


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Many have wondered what's up with the Silencing Rings, but have no fear, we're nearly finished with them. Here are some renders of what you can expect soon!
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Our supplier is slated to finish the v6 mold update in 10 days, and we'll have the production 10 days after that.
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The silencing rings come with an pre applied adhesive to stick to the housing of topre keyboards. We have not verified compatibility with other electrocapacitive keyboards. A provided tool will be used to install the rubber dampener onto the housings. The dampeners can be easily removed, but shouldn't be reused. Because of this, we will be providing 130 pcs to allow for error.

So looks like another 3 weeks until they are completed, then shipping. So looks like about a month wait.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 11 June 2018, 15:55:55 »
The thickness seems to sit in the middle between Hypersphere and KBDFans rings, this looks promising so far since I find Hypersphere too thick and KBDFans too thin.

Hypersphere = 0.5 mm
KeyClack = 0.35 mm
KBDFans = 0.25 mm

Hopefullyl this would be a good middle ground.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 12 June 2018, 03:48:00 »
Hmm. I took out a slider from my HHKB Pro 2 (with one of Hypersphere's rings installed), and my HHKB Type-S.

I measured the thickness of the rings using a digital vernier caliper. They both measured very close to 0.4 mm. Another thing I noticed is that the material used for the silencing ring in the Type-S is much(!) softer than that of the Hypersphere ring.
 

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #21 on: Tue, 12 June 2018, 16:31:09 »
LOL ok maybe I was a bit generalizing on the numbers but here is where I found the number from.

https://imgur.com/a/32HBk

But yes I also heard the silicone ring from HHKB Type-S is much softer, probably explain why it dampen better, the purple slider also offset 0.2 mm, so 0.4 mm would realistically be only 0.2 mm difference (which explains the minimal impact on travel distance).

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 13 June 2018, 02:54:09 »
That looks a bit funny. Maybe the guy who took the photo forgot to zero the vernier caliper? Anyway, I also took measurements using a regular (analog) vernier caliper, and it definitely looks to be less than 0.5 mm thick.

Also, remember that whatever silencing ring is used, the material with compress when the sliders are pressed up by the domes. So the travel distance will not be affected by the thickness of the ring when it is uncompressed...
 

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 19 June 2018, 17:31:23 »
I should have the production update today, as I'm told by the manufacturer. They are still finalizing the mold change to allow the 3M tape to be installed properly. The issue is with the thinness of some points, where the center circle (the hole where the slider goes through), making it difficult to manufacture.
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 06:00:45 »
Looking forward to this!!

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 04 July 2018, 10:59:33 »
Will these work on the Realforce RGB without doing a mod like mentioned in this post?  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86901.0

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 10 July 2018, 13:57:41 »
Glad I haven't missed out on this. Looking forward to any updates!
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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 12 July 2018, 10:14:03 »
Any news for this? I need this!

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #28 on: Thu, 19 July 2018, 07:18:55 »
I sent an email a couple days ago and got an update. My 6 month paypal dispute window is closing in so I wanted to see how to proceed. He said that the silencing rings would be shipping from production on Monday and then he hopes to have them shipped out to us by Friday.

Also if you do not have a previous order of silencing rings, the new rings will be $5 more than the original.

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Re: V2 version Topre Silence Ring
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 19 July 2018, 14:15:37 »
I sent an email a couple days ago and got an update. My 6 month paypal dispute window is closing in so I wanted to see how to proceed. He said that the silencing rings would be shipping from production on Monday and then he hopes to have them shipped out to us by Friday.

Also if you do not have a previous order of silencing rings, the new rings will be $5 more than the original.

Thanks for sharing this!