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Offline myyrddraal

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:52:28 »
Well, now KAM samples have been ordered. Maybe for another round.
Also, KAM profile fits the retro esthethic better IMO ;)
:thumb: Functional-wise I'm not liking uniform dimension and shaped profiles. However, KAM like KAT is thick and smooth, its top surface is bigger than DSA and it's taller than DSA too. This could work for me. I'll probably join for a set.

PS: run a KAT gb in parallel and become twice as productive :cool:

I'll take that in consideration, but the set will still firstly run in KAM.
Uniform is good for orthos and columnar staggered builds. I like it. :-)


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[IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #151 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:48:36 »
Overall dye sub means reverse dye sub? Cause that could be the issues OP mentions. KAT alpha is all white so there are no issues with the regular dye sub.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:54:03 »
Overall dye sub means reverse dye sub? Cause that could be the issues OP mentions. KAT alpha is all white so there are no issues with the regular dye sub.

From Alex (zFrontier), earlier this year, about reverse dye-sub on KAT profile (they = manufacturer):
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they are hesitant to do but definitely doable
since the reverse thing on a sculpted profile is super hard to do
but doable

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #153 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 16:06:59 »
Overall dye sub means reverse dye sub? Cause that could be the issues OP mentions. KAT alpha is all white so there are no issues with the regular dye sub.

From Alex (zFrontier), earlier this year, about reverse dye-sub on KAT profile (they = manufacturer):
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they are hesitant to do but definitely doable
since the reverse thing on a sculpted profile is super hard to do
but doable

thanks

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #154 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 17:09:37 »
glad to see there getting back to you finally, hope to see this come to fruition some day, what a great set.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 23 May 2019, 22:54:20 »
The ETA for samples is still set to Soon™ right?

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #156 on: Fri, 24 May 2019, 18:24:42 »
Interested

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #157 on: Tue, 18 June 2019, 09:27:37 »
Interested

According to the thread on Keebtalk, the samples are done and he's waiting for them to arrive.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
« Reply #158 on: Tue, 18 June 2019, 20:03:37 »
That rainbow spacebarr seems very lit

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #159 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:12:16 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon™.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #160 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:15:00 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #161 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:16:30 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #162 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:18:00 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Is the matte finish somehow part of the KAT whilst the KAM is normally shiny?


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #163 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:19:42 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Is the matte finish somehow part of the KAT whilst the KAM is normally shiny?


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Yeah apparently :rolleyes:

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #164 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:20:15 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Is the matte finish somehow part of the KAT whilst the KAM is normally shiny?


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Yeah apparently :rolleyes:
Oh boy, how twisted...


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #165 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:22:39 »
Are they bluer than in the render? I was hoping they'd be closer to the gray of the original Speccy keys.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #166 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:23:57 »
Are they bluer than in the render? I was hoping they'd be closer to the gray of the original Speccy keys.

Yeah, color shouldn't have been so blueish. But that's not really an issue.
I ordered these samples in order to see how the overall dye-sub would look :thumb:

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #167 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 07:01:53 »
Are they bluer than in the render? I was hoping they'd be closer to the gray of the original Speccy keys.

Yeah, color shouldn't have been so blueish. But that's not really an issue.
I ordered these samples in order to see how the overall dye-sub would look :thumb:

The dye sub looks great. Can't wait for the group buy.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #168 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 08:39:03 »
The shine one those is so BEAUTIFUL!

Not a huge fan of the “progressive” shine Most GMK sets get with light use but FULL Uniform shine is gorgeous and really adds to the Vintage vibe.

Seems like others don’t feel the same :(

I’ll definitely be looking into KAM if this is their standard tooling though  :cool:

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #169 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 14:26:48 »
+1 vote for that beautiful uniform shine

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #170 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 16:30:08 »
I'm also fond of keycap gloss, and those pictures have me quite hyped for KAM - definitely the most impressively shiny PBT that I've seen.

On the other hand, I can see how it might not suit this set in particular. If you think KAT R3 would be a matte alternative (that's otherwise identical?), that seems like the way to go.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #171 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 17:03:32 »
I feel like this shiny PBT KAM would be awesome in a simple WoB set.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #172 on: Thu, 20 June 2019, 17:07:27 »
I would prefer matte tbh. Though KAT R2 isn't exactly the same shape as KAM.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #173 on: Fri, 21 June 2019, 01:08:29 »
Oh no, that shine is horrible. Please don't do it like that. Maybe consider using XDA?
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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #174 on: Fri, 21 June 2019, 22:02:34 »
Can you add the rainbow to the ergo?
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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #175 on: Sat, 22 June 2019, 05:27:27 »
Are the kits final? Chances you would sneak a rainbow 2u space bar in there for the Ergos, Plancks, and Preyonics?

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #176 on: Sat, 22 June 2019, 06:04:29 »
I'd love  a 2U rainbow spacebar too.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #177 on: Sat, 22 June 2019, 14:55:02 »
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon™.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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I would prefer matte tbh. Though KAT R2 isn't exactly the same shape as KAM.

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Thanks Loligagger, I hadn't noticed the difference between KAT R2 and KAM before.  This overlay shows the detail.  It's also strange that KAT row numbering is opposite common nomenclature.



Here is a comparison of a few different uniform profile possibilities.



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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #178 on: Sat, 22 June 2019, 22:31:45 »
The KAT home row profile is slightly asymmetric. I got an upside-down printed Enter key in my KAT Alpha set, and I couldn't just flip it around: the profile didn't match the other home row keys. Ended up getting a replacement cap from the vendor.

Anyway, even though it's asymmetric, it might still work as a uniform (albeit not flat) profile, as the asymmetry isn't that pronounced.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #179 on: Sun, 23 June 2019, 09:17:47 »
For what it’s worth, I absolutely love that shine. It really reminds me of how old terminals look today, after years of being typed on and building up that incredibly glossy finish.

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« Reply #180 on: Sun, 23 June 2019, 10:05:15 »
+1 for the samples you got.

the keys are different in shape to begin with... why try to match the rest of the features?

this shine has more vintage vibe than the rest of SA caps out there  :thumb:

i just wanna say the samples look much better than the renders

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #181 on: Sun, 23 June 2019, 10:59:32 »
I have to repeat again, for me who is after the Speccy nostalgia, the shine would be an absolute no go criteria.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #182 on: Sun, 23 June 2019, 11:57:21 »
I must say i have mixed feelings. This shiny looks cool and unique, but again wondering how it would look mat. Anyway set is awesome looking. Looking forward for new updates.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #183 on: Sun, 23 June 2019, 12:08:49 »
Id buy the glossy stuff as is. Dyesub seems on point

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #184 on: Wed, 03 July 2019, 11:26:33 »
Ugh.  As much as I love this set, if you stuck it out and went with the glossy version I'd probably have to sit it out...  Since people are throwing out ideas, what about the new [Mass]Drop ADA profile: https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview ?

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« Reply #185 on: Wed, 03 July 2019, 12:57:37 »
Ugh.  As much as I love this set, if you stuck it out and went with the glossy version I'd probably have to sit it out...  Since people are throwing out ideas, what about the new [Mass]Drop ADA profile: https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview ?

Have you tried ADA profile?  I’m curious how it feels compared to DSA and XDA.

I don’t think ADA is (Mass)Drop’s proprietary profile, and I don’t think double-shot ADA tooling exists yet.  Does anyone know for sure?

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #186 on: Wed, 03 July 2019, 13:00:11 »
Ugh.  As much as I love this set, if you stuck it out and went with the glossy version I'd probably have to sit it out...  Since people are throwing out ideas, what about the new [Mass]Drop ADA profile: https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview ?
TEX ADA was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #187 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 04:30:30 »
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #188 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 05:55:04 »
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?
It's not shiny at all.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #189 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 10:07:08 »
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?

Drop's description of the TEX ADA keycap set says the legends are laser-engraved, so they aren't double-shot.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #190 on: Thu, 04 July 2019, 10:10:43 »
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?

Drop's description of the TEX ADA keycap set says the legends are laser-engraved, so they aren't double-shot.
Definitely laser etched, no good quality.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #191 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 03:48:07 »
I'd be interested in the shiny version. It's starting to grow on me.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #192 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 06:14:36 »
I would also join for the glossy caps.

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[IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #193 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 06:45:34 »
It seems for some for me unclear reason ppl like glossy finish, which beats the marvelous work of underlying legends. And as the laws of free market dictate the majority decides. It's a big pity as I really hoped this IC would yield my endgame keyset. This dream is fading with every new comment voting for glossy.

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #194 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 08:49:10 »
what now we can't even say it looks cool? It's really "refreshing" to see some glossy caps since most people want mat finish...
And yeah glossy Wraith is not going to happen, biip said it himself... Besides Wraith looks totally off and wierd with glossy but that doesn't mean some other set is going to look terrible..

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« Reply #195 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 09:02:40 »
what now we can't even say it looks cool? It's really "refreshing" to see some glossy caps since most people want mat finish...
And yeah glossy Wraith is not going to happen, biip said it himself... Besides Wraith looks totally off and wierd with glossy but that doesn't mean some other set is going to look terrible..
Exactly - this glossy finish opens a lot of interesting options for colorways that will profit from it. Wraith is not one of these. Still, i love my glossy SA Honeywell, i wouldnt mind a similar set in KAM.. and i am certain that other colorways will look really good with that finish. Also that all over dye sub process gives really good results in terms of color saturation (that blue is interesting..)

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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #196 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 10:24:32 »
what now we can't even say it looks cool? It's really "refreshing" to see some glossy caps since most people want mat finish...
And yeah glossy Wraith is not going to happen, biip said it himself... Besides Wraith looks totally off and wierd with glossy but that doesn't mean some other set is going to look terrible..
I don't understand the reason for your latently aggressive tone. What I saw in this thread was majority of votes for glossy finish. That was my reaction on those votes. What is really going to happen is solely biip's decision. I just expressed my assumptive feelings. Btw. I never said glossy is not nice, quite contradictory. But since we are here in Wraith thread  I expressed my opinion on glossy+wraith and nothing else. The same you expressed now yours.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #197 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:00:23 »
The issue here is that matte finish would fix the aesthetic of the ZX Spectrum better IMO.
I'll try to get matte samples and we will see  :thumb:

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« Reply #198 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:08:09 »
The issue here is that matte finish would fix the aesthetic of the ZX Spectrum better IMO.
I'll try to get matte samples and we will see  :thumb:
My sentiments exactly.


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Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
« Reply #199 on: Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:18:20 »
how bout mt3