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Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 14:30:41 »
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If we look at the dopamine curve generated by THC..

it's not significantly different Peak+Duration vs Alcohol ~200% /Coffee ~200% /Nicotine ~200% /Secs ~200%


So, overall... Not system-breakers like Cocaine 350%-800%,  Meth 1000-1400%++


It's definitely addicting when the lifestyle allows for it to be consumed in persistent quantities, but again, not different from alcohol/ coffee/ cigarettes..

Lower average income seems to be the only drawback,  but, we've always been aware that on average young people who drink/party/smoke have a reduced life-outlook.

Pretty straight forward, if you get high, you're not going to be good AT WURK..


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« Reply #1 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 15:01:20 »
Maybe you are the drug dealer after all? The plot thickens.
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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 15:03:01 »
Maybe you are the drug dealer after all? The plot thickens.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 15:10:54 »
Maybe you are the drug dealer after all? The plot thickens.

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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 16:40:51 »
Maybe you are the drug dealer after all? The plot thickens.

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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 21 October 2018, 17:04:20 »
I strongly believe tp would greatly benefit from a 5g mushroom experience in total dark and silence. It would help open your eyes a little, gain empathy, and be more in-tune rather than hiding away frightened.

Weed is a demotivator, it might just make you depressed.

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« Reply #6 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 05:58:08 »
TP4 stay away from the devils lettuce.

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« Reply #7 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 06:27:44 »
What's the bottom scale of that graph, number of days or times you smoked?  If so I'm impressed anyone put themself other than <100 ("I didn't/don't smoke often") and 400+ ("I smoke(d) a lot")

Looks like I'm in the top 2% of former smokers, I wonder what I could have achieved and how much happier I might be today if I had had better luck and avoided it.
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 09:30:57 »
What's the bottom scale of that graph, number of days or times you smoked?  If so I'm impressed anyone put themself other than <100 ("I didn't/don't smoke often") and 400+ ("I smoke(d) a lot")

Looks like I'm in the top 2% of former smokers, I wonder what I could have achieved and how much happier I might be today if I had had better luck and avoided it.

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1-99 times total               (less than 1x per month between ages 14-21)
100-199 times total etc..  (less than 2x per month between ages 14-21)

So it's separating casual / chronic users  , spread across the Period ages being studied

The 400+ people are the chronics,   and to the left are the decreasing frequency...



It just simply illustrates that more use = less overall earning.

An important take-away is also that,  EVEN once per month has a non-trivial impact.


The marijuana is not a direct cause.. but, the trend is pretty clear.. You have to choose a team here, 1 team is clearly better.. hahahaha



Honestly..  It's weird that society has to have this discussion ALL OVER AGAIN, i mean we just BARELY finished kickn' off cigarettes..   And now we've relapsed into marijuana.. hahahaha..

Is there a difference in harm yes,   but the psychoactive dampening is equivalent,   so well, big pharma and marlboro is gonna have a field day..


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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 09:47:57 »
I refuse to believe that tp4 makes these threads while NOT on marijuana  :))
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 09:49:18 »
I refuse to believe that tp4 makes these threads while NOT on marijuana  :))

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Marijuana is here to stay, they can't take it away now, we'd have too many riots.. and not enough cops..

Opium for the Masses....  hahahaha


Sigh...  This is going to hit the poorer-peeps quite badly though..  Still better than obesity ,  if anything marijuana should counter obesity to some extent, as they divert funds from junk-food to drugs..

Taken all together,  it's a huge impediment to   buying a book and having time to read it..


So..

I keep wondering if this is a Republican plot to protract american low-income classes in generating blue collar labor,  instead of relying on import labor..

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« Reply #11 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 15:56:04 »
I refuse to believe that tp4 makes these threads while NOT on marijuana  :))

well at least he made that graph while he was on something

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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 16:48:41 »
I keep wondering if this is a Republican plot to protract american low-income classes in generating blue collar labor,  instead of relying on import labor.
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That would make sense if it wasn't the Republican party that was busy painting weed as worse than opiates and crack. The states that have passed legal marijuana laws so far have done so largely with support from Democrats and independents.


On the addiction point, practically anything that causes a dopamine spike (in other words, is pleasurable) can be addictive. There are two types of addiction--addiction to due disturbed psyche (you feel your life sucks and you have a lot of demons, and then something that is SO GOOD enters your life and you get sucked into it and can't break free) and the more clinical dependence/risk-taking/decreasing reward addiction (typically seen with substances like booze, cigarettes, cocaine, heroine--stuff that not only makes you feel good, but substantially alters your body in a way that it needs the substance to behave normally. Like a crack addict crashing when not high, or a heroine addict's nervous system activity spiking when sober and wreaking havoc on their body).

Sadly, both types tend to be found in individuals with a history of mental illness, who are prone to self medicating. This is where drugs in particular get REALLY nasty, as even mental illnesses without a substantial risk of increased violence can be affected by addiction in such a way that violence is far more likely. That said, that's not too substantially different from individuals who aren't mentally ill on the same drugs. It's just that it's far more visible in the mentally ill, because it can make them do really freaky, disturbing things rather than purely being more aggressive.

For the record, I'm for legalizing weed, but I personally won't use it. There's no real argument against using weed that you can't use against alcohol or cigarettes. Even the "it won't get rid of dealers" argument is bunk, because when prohibition was repealed people still continued to make moonshine and try to sell/drink denatured alcohol. In fact, name any business that is regulated and you will find someone performing it without the right qualifications/license and hurting people. The big difference is that with weed legal, there will be a safer alternative.
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« Reply #13 on: Mon, 22 October 2018, 17:05:56 »
I can say for absolute fact that it drastically hurts street dealers who move only marijuana. In fact many dealers simply buy from the weed store then repackage it as something else with a markup, or at least they did for a while until business totally dies out. The only non-legal marijuana only dealers that still operate do personal delivery, it is the only thing keeping that industry alive right now. Once legalization is nation-wide they will cease to exist completely as there will be nothing they can offer over a legal storefront with a delivery service.

The only real danger is losing that customer base and income source forces most dealers to turn to heavier regulated substances like meth and heroine. Although the proof is in the decades of pudding served up by countries with decriminalization, as every single one of them have drastically lower addiction rates of the harder substances.

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« Reply #14 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 09:51:38 »
 It's almost like the graph shows that people who clearly have a undermining relationship with rules/laws, don't really care about submission to the machine status quo?

I'm not against it or legalization, but I'm not for chronic use.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 18:55:46 »
It's almost like the graph shows that people who clearly have a undermining relationship with rules/laws, don't really care about submission to the machine status quo?

I'm not against it or legalization, but I'm not for chronic use.


A small part sure.. But, marijuana and lethargy goes hand in hand.. it comes with the territory..

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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 20:38:51 »
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« Reply #17 on: Tue, 23 October 2018, 21:31:19 »
TP4 stay away from the devils lettuce.

Yes. Tobacco is from satan

All marijuana enthusiasts understand the analogy where smoking cigarettes is the same as putting one's mouth up to a car's exhaust pipe.

And yet,  when it comes to their own combustion smoke ,  suddenly, they think it cures cancer..

It's a good thing vap is fixing this along with edibles.

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« Reply #18 on: Wed, 24 October 2018, 09:33:16 »
They're making weed available on the NHS starting in November it'll be interesting to see what happens. The Irish government have been making rumblings that they might do a referendum on legalising it for medicinal purposes for the last couple of years. It makes sense of cancer patients, people with siezures, arthritis sufferers etc. Maybe if they prevent doctors prescribing it to every patient that walks through the door it'll stop the place getting flooded with cheap and available weed because a lot of Irish people aren't that good with moderation.

 


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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 24 October 2018, 11:50:38 »
They're making weed available on the NHS starting in November it'll be interesting to see what happens. The Irish government have been making rumblings that they might do a referendum on legalising it for medicinal purposes for the last couple of years. It makes sense of cancer patients, people with siezures, arthritis sufferers etc. Maybe if they prevent doctors prescribing it to every patient that walks through the door it'll stop the place getting flooded with cheap and available weed because a lot of Irish people aren't that good with moderation.



There is a mistaken belief that one can pick things up and put them down,  that somehow some-people are immune to addiction..

That is ridiculous, while exceptions exist,  the vast majority of all people of all race haves the SAME hedonic pathway and system, they are equally likely to become addicts..

Addiction is no worse for the irish.. 

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« Reply #20 on: Wed, 24 October 2018, 15:46:38 »
Huge difference between mental/emotional and physical/body addiction. Night and day in every way.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 09:35:44 »
It's almost like the graph shows that people who clearly have a undermining relationship with rules/laws, don't really care about submission to the machine status quo?

I'm not against it or legalization, but I'm not for chronic use.


A small part sure.. But, marijuana and lethargy goes hand in hand.. it comes with the territory..

Consumption is generally not measured to the degree other things are; think of when one might get too much caffeine. Or even when drinking alcohol, at the "buzz" point you're certainly able to use most if not all of your motorskills (do not ****ing drive.).

I definitely think it there is an overkill threshold that people meet more so than general lethargy(though there is to a degree no matter what); I know plenty of people who like to exercise/art/clean while stoned. I still side with that lethargic people are going to be lethargic. Most of my opinions are going to be blame the user in any case, instead of the object.




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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 12:48:12 »
It's almost like the graph shows that people who clearly have a undermining relationship with rules/laws, don't really care about submission to the machine status quo?

I'm not against it or legalization, but I'm not for chronic use.


A small part sure.. But, marijuana and lethargy goes hand in hand.. it comes with the territory..

Consumption is generally not measured to the degree other things are; think of when one might get too much caffeine. Or even when drinking alcohol, at the "buzz" point you're certainly able to use most if not all of your motorskills (do not ****ing drive.).

I definitely think it there is an overkill threshold that people meet more so than general lethargy(though there is to a degree no matter what); I know plenty of people who like to exercise/art/clean while stoned. I still side with that lethargic people are going to be lethargic. Most of my opinions are going to be blame the user in any case, instead of the object.





Well, ur looking for those exceptions to support an argument,  when there IS NO argument.

The statistics are already there, more smoke = do less..

The only drugs that have proven to boost general productivity is Controlled release Methylphenidate (Ritalin) and Amphetamines (Adderall)..  All of them designed to give a sustained high, by squeezing dopamine re-uptake..



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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 18:49:48 »
There is no argument; like you say. I'm only conversing.


Where are these statistics from? It's not noted on your graph. Not necessarily calling bs; but wouldn't you say in any case exceptions, or outliers modify mean results in anything?


My points are these; lazy people are lazy on anything and that people who disobey or are loose with laws and regs, are generally not going to submit to the neurotypical mindset status quo of paper chasing.

Ritalin etc, are for that exact purpose. To submit people into that general mindset. Hence, why lots of non-adhd persons desire it.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 25 October 2018, 19:06:47 »
Where are these statistics from? It's not noted on your graph.

pretty sure tp made that graph himself in Excel or something

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« Reply #25 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 07:06:44 »
TP4 likes to discuss drugs. I doubt he has ever tried them though, it might change his perspective.

I've only used the devils lettuce in my early twenties - never had the desire to try anything else.

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« Reply #26 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 09:31:58 »
TP4 likes to discuss drugs. I doubt he has ever tried them though, it might change his perspective.

I've only used the devils lettuce in my early twenties - never had the desire to try anything else.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 10:06:58 »
TP4 likes to discuss drugs. I doubt he has ever tried them though, it might change his perspective.

I've only used the devils lettuce in my early twenties - never had the desire to try anything else.

Must be the mystery behind the veil. I feel like psychedelics would go hand in hand with his vegan tendies

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« Reply #28 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 11:46:52 »
TP4 likes to discuss drugs. I doubt he has ever tried them though, it might change his perspective.

I've only used the devils lettuce in my early twenties - never had the desire to try anything else.

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TP4 likes to discuss drugs. I doubt he has ever tried them though, it might change his perspective.

I've only used the devils lettuce in my early twenties - never had the desire to try anything else.

Must be the mystery behind the veil. I feel like psychedelics would go hand in hand with his vegan tendies
Normally I'd say definitely. But he doesn't seem like that type to me. :D Has an apartment/a house full of computers and servers and whatnot. Not to mention all his other electrical toys he keeps talking about having purchased. :D Just doesn't seem like the hippie type.

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« Reply #29 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:09:13 »
hahaha, right.

 Though I don't think it's a prerequisite just a stereotype. Isn't microdosing lsd/shrooms a pretty silicon valley thing?

There you go TP, there's your excuse; to think more creatively about your problem solving. Maybe then you can get behind the smoke = less monies problem.

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« Reply #30 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:14:26 »
hahaha, right.

 Though I don't think it's a prerequisite just a stereotype. Isn't microdosing lsd/shrooms a pretty silicon valley thing?

There you go TP, there's your excuse; to think more creatively about your problem solving. Maybe then you can get behind the smoke = less monies problem.
Definitely a stereotype. :D

I didn't know that was a silicon valley thing, man those nerds know how to party.

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« Reply #31 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:16:37 »
hahaha, right.

 Though I don't think it's a prerequisite just a stereotype. Isn't microdosing lsd/shrooms a pretty silicon valley thing?

There you go TP, there's your excuse; to think more creatively about your problem solving. Maybe then you can get behind the smoke = less monies problem.
Definitely a stereotype. :D

I didn't know that was a silicon valley thing, man those nerds know how to party.

I tried watching that show.. got through 3 episodes,  but the portrayal felt a little distasteful..

Not sure if it was the acting or the script..

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 12:26:21 »
hahaha, right.

 Though I don't think it's a prerequisite just a stereotype. Isn't microdosing lsd/shrooms a pretty silicon valley thing?

There you go TP, there's your excuse; to think more creatively about your problem solving. Maybe then you can get behind the smoke = less monies problem.
Definitely a stereotype. :D

I didn't know that was a silicon valley thing, man those nerds know how to party.

I tried watching that show.. got through 3 episodes,  but the portrayal felt a little distasteful..

Not sure if it was the acting or the script..


I enjoyed the show, it made me cringe and frustrated at times however; but I think the frustration and cringiness is deliberate.

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 26 October 2018, 15:34:55 »
haven't tried it but have heard microdosing psilocybin can do great things for both atrophied mind/bored brain and depression.

In fact that is the next push after marijuana legalization, since there are obvious benefits to psilocybin. Already proven through many elder case studies showing it can stave off dementia and increase brain plasticity in older people. It's the next big thing.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 27 October 2018, 20:47:16 »
Just take a heroic dose of shrooms or blast off into hyperspace, instant cure for depression lol.

Although alot of that has to do with mindset going in as well as proper handling of the setting etc.


Really interested in seeing a world where that that kind of stuff is ubiquitous with mental healthcare, since it can cause a large degree of openness and acceptance generally.

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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 27 October 2018, 21:26:39 »
Tp4 just watched a few episodes of Cowboy Bebop..

Now Tp4 really wants to smoke cigarettes..



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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 06 July 2020, 14:27:47 »
Yes, it's really cool!

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Yes, it's really cool!

Cigarettes, Cowboy Bebop, or both?

I think it's time we blow this scene


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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 02:40:09 »
Now we know TP likes to smoke...
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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 03:29:27 »
Tp4 just watched a few episodes of Cowboy Bebop..

Now Tp4 really wants to smoke cigarettes..




Same thing happened to me when I was 18 and I watched Breaking Bad for the first time. Jesse Pinkman's smoking habit made me go out and buy a pack of cigs. Been smoking on and off ever since...

I blame the media...
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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 03:47:38 »
Now we know TP likes to smoke...
What's next? TP eating big fat steak?  :eek:

LOL, if it weren't bad for one's health, Tp4 would do both @ the same time.

In terms of health risk, eating 1 egg a day is equivalent of smoking 5 cigarettes a day.

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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 04:18:23 »
i am wondering if tp's watermelons are the same as everyone else's, seems that they have strange properties. you sure those are not THC producing ones? or do they have mushrooms in them?
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 04:22:35 »
i am wondering if tp's watermelons are the same as everyone else's, seems that they have strange properties. you sure those are not THC producing ones? or do they have mushrooms in them?

Tp4 only eats the $5 watermelons from Costco, like everyone else.

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 07:08:23 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 07:12:41 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 10:12:42 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .

So, in general, does a lot of people actually smoke Mary Jane there?
As much as drinking alcohol for example?
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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 17:05:29 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .

It's fantastic as a demotivator when you genuinely have nothing to do but feel guilty not doing anything. Weed gets rid of that guilty feeling of idle hands, it's perfect for lock down times.

I'm not gonna feed you some bs line about how it creativity charges you or makes things more interesting, because it doesn't. It does have a negative long term impact on clarity of thought and motivation. When I stop smoking for a few days I can feel my brain 'waking up.' It also prevents me from dreaming during sleep dead stop, but I dunno if that's a universal effect. 


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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 13 July 2020, 20:44:37 »

When I stop smoking for a few days I can feel my brain 'waking up.'


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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 14 July 2020, 02:24:04 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .

It's fantastic as a demotivator when you genuinely have nothing to do but feel guilty not doing anything. Weed gets rid of that guilty feeling of idle hands, it's perfect for lock down times.

I'm not gonna feed you some bs line about how it creativity charges you or makes things more interesting, because it doesn't. It does have a negative long term impact on clarity of thought and motivation. When I stop smoking for a few days I can feel my brain 'waking up.' It also prevents me from dreaming during sleep dead stop, but I dunno if that's a universal effect.

Not dreaming sounds right - as you go to full- deep sleep, so no dreams:) Its like a full reset of your brain. Falling a sleep in one position, then waking up is same position after 8 hours of deep sleep :)

How are your pains? Do you for example feel some pain before you smoke, then once baked, you still feel it but not as pain, but some kind of strain or fatigue?
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #49 on: Tue, 14 July 2020, 09:29:22 »
Not dreaming sounds right - as you go to full- deep sleep, so no dreams:) Its like a full reset of your brain. Falling a sleep in one position, then waking up is same position after 8 hours of deep sleep :)

How are your pains? Do you for example feel some pain before you smoke, then once baked, you still feel it but not as pain, but some kind of strain or fatigue?

In neurosci, dreams are generally interpreted as sorting short(mid)-term memory into long term storage.

So the normal case is, if a person is not learning much or at all, anything new, during his waking hours, he will not experience noticeable dream states.

So there could be many different cases of how marijuana prevents dreaming.

It can, Prevent dreams by disrupting brain chemistry such that long term sorting is prevented.

It can, sedate the person enough such that he does very little throughout the day such that not many new experiences/memories are formed.


The depth of the sleep state is not what prevents dreaming, humans naturally cycle through multiple sleep states every night.

This subject has not been rigorously studied.

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« Reply #50 on: Tue, 14 July 2020, 13:42:33 »
It never caused me not to dream, actually ramped up the dreams I had.  For me I'd rather smoke than have to take alot of the crap I do for pain.  From my experience it has aided in my focus much like most ADD/ADHD meds do, but again different strains have different effects on people.  It's not all the same universal outcome for every person that uses.  Only reason why I don't smoke/partake now is due to work testing for it, but I can be hopped up on my painkillers and it's ok to them (I passed my drug screenings with prescribed high dosage opiates in my system - have spinal damage thanks to a car accident I had at 21). 

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 16 October 2020, 20:11:32 »
I agree with you, and I used to use marijuana every day, but after five years of Smoking it, I felt worse than I did before I got involved in this topic. I was used to marijuana and cannabis, but I couldn't use it in its pure form, so I found an alternative. And my choice fell on https://www.healthcanal.com/best-cbd-oil/shingles. I was very happy with this finding and my migraines passed in a month, if you are tired of marijuana and you want to experiment or need help with your health, contact these guys
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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 18:38:02 »
What about CBD?
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 19:19:22 »
What about CBD?

The british beat up china in the opium war. Lesser known but the forbes family of chicago was the opium king of america and also heavily involved.   Now, flip side, there is a huge foreign (mainly russian and golden-triangle) investment influx into american marijuana.

Sigh..  in the end this is good for no one.  but it's worse for america, because the average productivity of a pot-head is extremely low.  Those high functioning elite pot-heads are the exception. Statistically the vast majority of early life marijuana users turn into dropouts and riff-raffs.

Economically it's honestly better we have more cigarette addicts than potheads.

If anyone doesn't see the historical parallel, best of luck.

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 19:33:43 »
do you really believe that old rhetoric or are you just playing devil's advocate?

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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 20:14:49 »

Statistically the vast majority of early life marijuana users turn into dropouts


I would certainly argue with the word "vast" but this is one of the rare occasions that I agree with TP4.

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:17:15 »
do you really believe that old rhetoric or are you just playing devil's advocate?

I think many people get hung up on the argument as if people who choose certain lifestyles are bad people.

That is not the heart of the issue.  In the list of probable outcomes,  certain choices strengthen less favorable life prospects.

They are not bad people, they are victims.   In most cases one could say the option to ingest mind altering chemicals should not exist for anyone, especially youth.


Certain age groups tend to comingle.   If we look at the majority of popular proponents for legalization, it's mainly young people 20 somethings and 30 somethings.   These people are at high exposure with even younger counterparts.   This will naturally expose substances down the social hierarchy.

This worked for the proliferation of cigarettes why not pot.    This process has been demonstrated and we've gone through it already.  It will not provide economic benefit in the long run, and will only widen the wealth gap as the poor disproportionately short-sight their pleasure over long term investments.

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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 05:42:26 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 11:48:39 »
What about CBD?

The british beat up china in the opium war. Lesser known but the forbes family of chicago was the opium king of america and also heavily involved.   Now, flip side, there is a huge foreign (mainly russian and golden-triangle) investment influx into american marijuana.

Sigh..  in the end this is good for no one.  but it's worse for america, because the average productivity of a pot-head is extremely low.  Those high functioning elite pot-heads are the exception. Statistically the vast majority of early life marijuana users turn into dropouts and riff-raffs.

Economically it's honestly better we have more cigarette addicts than potheads.

If anyone doesn't see the historical parallel, best of luck.


hmm...weed isn't that addictive, but the lifestyle and usage can eventually become addictive, and weed addiction is definitely real and i'd say it's pretty bad. most people can catch themselves before they make it too far down the rabbit hole. but if it gets to the point where their productivity is markedly affected, i feel like that person would've been unproductive regardless of the pastime, whether it's weed, drinking, gaming etc. what i'm saying is that people who aren't very productive are not going to be very productive regardless of what they're wasting their time on. the statistic you're talking about doesn't imply causation, it's pretty flawed because you're probably somewhat of a delinquent if you have access to marijuana in early life. just like your thread title, it's probably fine...
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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 13:47:59 »
Honestly the exact same can be said about underage kids who smoke cigarettes. They were, in my experience, almost always trouble makers or slackers.
So it's not the cannabis per se I don't believe.

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« Reply #60 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 18:21:57 »
Honestly the exact same can be said about underage kids who smoke cigarettes. They were, in my experience, almost always trouble makers or slackers.
So it's not the cannabis per se I don't believe.

They're both not good.   neuro development does not complete until ~ age 25.

Imagine installing windows, and the the CPU is hit by enough system interrupts such that it copies the wrong code to disk.

SOME systems might come out ok if the damage is fringe code,  but others can end up inoperable.


During OS-Installation, Tp4 always underclocks the CPU and makes sure the minimum amount of components are connected as well as disabling non-essential motherboard functions .

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« Reply #61 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 03:45:37 »
During OS-Installation, Tp4 always underclocks the CPU and makes sure the minimum amount of components are connected as well as disabling non-essential motherboard functions . [/size][/color]
It is actually a pretty bad idea, overall, at installation is the best time to install drivers, if the hardware is not present it will not be detected, and under-clocking the CPU would do nothing at best or exacerbate the interrupt problem if it still existed, if your CPU is unstable at stock clock well it is time for a refund.
and the comparison does not quite hold, as computer do not continue growing once they are built, unlike animals (like us), i guess the closest thing would be to throw a bunch of metal dust in it, it may do nothing, may make it rather unstable or may outright die, but that would be at any point in the life of the machine, the CPU does not rewire itself as brains do.
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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 04:28:31 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 05:36:29 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

Just to be clear to all the young people, the Primary benefit is DECRIMINALIZATION.

There are far too many black folks imprisoned by white supremacist fascists for marijuana possession.

If in the future, the result is more people Smoking Marijuana. That is Likely NOT a net positive.


It's like overturning the prohibition,  You legalize alcohol / cigarettes,  doesn't mean alcohol and cigarettes are suddenly healthy/good.

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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 06:08:03 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

Just to be clear to all the young people, the Primary benefit is DECRIMINALIZATION.

There are far too many black folks imprisoned by white supremacist fascists for marijuana possession.

If in the future, the result is more people Smoking Marijuana. That is Likely NOT a net positive.


It's like overturning the prohibition,  You legalize alcohol / cigarettes,  doesn't mean alcohol and cigarettes are suddenly healthy/good.


The positive is tons and tons of money for local government, producers, and private business owners. Moot shots everywhere, many new jobs in both the retail and scientific sectors. Nothing but great for local economies.

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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 06:45:57 »
The positive is tons and tons of money for local government, producers, and private business owners. Moot shots everywhere, many new jobs in both the retail and scientific sectors. Nothing but great for local economies.

That is extremely unlikely.  The cost of production is extremely low. You throw some mechanization in there, robotic trimmers. they can go 24/7, you won't even have to hire trimmers. The job market will not receive a boost from marijuana in the long term.

In terms of tax dollars, You might get a boost in the short term, but the health and mental decline associated with increased marijuana use is more likely to tank the economy, reduce overall tax collected.

It's what happens in big casino towns, they're dreadful places to live in, and gangsters eventually dominate local politics and hurt the community.

ALL the local money is picked up by the Casino, given time they funnel that overseas instead of paying the local government.  Minus the bribery of a few local officials, the area is economically broken, crime laden, and impoverished.


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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 10:00:54 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

Just to be clear to all the young people, the Primary benefit is DECRIMINALIZATION.

There are far too many black folks imprisoned by white supremacist fascists for marijuana possession.

If in the future, the result is more people Smoking Marijuana. That is Likely NOT a net positive.


It's like overturning the prohibition,  You legalize alcohol / cigarettes,  doesn't mean alcohol and cigarettes are suddenly healthy/good.

well to be honest i had 2 friends who started smoking marijuana only because it is illegal, and doing illegal things is cool, so maybe it could even lower usage...
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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 10:04:22 »
well to be honest i had 2 friends who started smoking marijuana only because it is illegal, and doing illegal things is cool, so maybe it could even lower usage...


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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 11:24:12 »
I don't smoke weed, I am not some ****ing degenerate...... I only smoke Dmt and drop Lsd on the reg like every other massively successful person. :thumb: 
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« Reply #69 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 12:03:55 »
Oregon is just a ticket for smoking crack now? tp4 moving.
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« Reply #70 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 12:47:14 »
Oregon is just a ticket for smoking crack now? tp4 moving.

Nah, it's a short stones throw to selling crack, and that's still illegal.  And that's really the only area Tp would be interested in.

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« Reply #71 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 13:26:08 »
I think Oregon just legalized small amounts of heroin and coke... also, maybe mushrooms some place legalized mushrooms I just don't know where.

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« Reply #72 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:54:17 »
I think Oregon just legalized small amounts of heroin and coke... also, maybe mushrooms some place legalized mushrooms I just don't know where.


They legalized it in that you get a fine instead of a felony for possession of small quantities. It is still illegal to manufacture and distribute.

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« Reply #73 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 15:11:00 »
Oregon is just a ticket for smoking crack now? tp4 moving.

Oregon is just Florida for crazy people who don't like hot weather

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 15:01:22 »
They were gonna legalize it in NY but they wimped out at the last second. Now I have to go to New Jersey to get boofed and yeeted.  :-[

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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:34:24 »
A big part of me misses living in MA for the reason of legalization - also being able to go to a beach every day after work to relax and walk my doggos, GA is backwards on this aspect - but they are very slowly coming around (more of it is the guard is slowly changing). 

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 17:44:53 »
Yeah, I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized, can enjoy it only when I am traveling to my friends. I am originally from Vancouver, but living in the US for 2 years already. I miss those times when I could just go to getkush.io and get some weed, this is bothering me the most of all. My work is very stressful and I need something to relax, otherwise I can get crazy of so much pressure. Weed is the perfect remedy for me, this is the only thing which can make relaxed and chill, not thinking about all the bad things which can happen.
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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 18:51:44 »

I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized


Huh? Profile says that you live in Vancouver.

Although I enjoyed it a lot for many years, many years ago, at this late date in my lifetime it induces more anxiety than euphoria. I miss what I once enjoyed, and assume that it will never be the same again. Funny how that happens, since today's high is an order of magnitude more intense than it was in the 1970s (and 1980s).


What this shows is that the Republican Party knows, deep down somewhere, that even before Trump they had less than a policy agenda. All they’ve had for the past decade or so is strategy and tactics to suppress the vote, either through extreme gerrymandering or State-level laws. More often than not, as we’re seeing, through both. Without a stated party platform they are left with nothing but the insanity of The Power Grab and The Big Lie. The Party as a whole has, for some twisted logical reason, decided that America no longer needs Democracy. That in the bent and tortured reality Republicans have created for themselves America was never a Democracy, the Founders never intended for the country’s politics or social order to change, that the country’s democratic features would always only extend to wealthy White Christian property owners. They’ve also, collectively, decided that threatening major, multi-billion dollar corporations that employ tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people worldwide will somehow, for some reason, cower in the corner when State politicians decide to take a few million in subsidies off the table. When faced with hundreds of millions, or even billions, in lost business because The People are voting with their wallet, I know where I’d position my company, and it’s not at the dinner table with Mitch McConnell and his wife.
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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 19:34:57 »

I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized


Huh? Profile says that you live in Vancouver.

Although I enjoyed it a lot for many years, many years ago, at this late date in my lifetime it induces more anxiety than euphoria. I miss what I once enjoyed, and assume that it will never be the same again. Funny how that happens, since today's high is an order of magnitude more intense than it was in the 1970s (and 1980s).
You can still find mids if you go looking. Low-THC carts are great if you want to take it slow.

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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 19:54:20 »

I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized


Huh? Profile says that you live in Vancouver.

Although I enjoyed it a lot for many years, many years ago, at this late date in my lifetime it induces more anxiety than euphoria. I miss what I once enjoyed, and assume that it will never be the same again. Funny how that happens, since today's high is an order of magnitude more intense than it was in the 1970s (and 1980s).




I've occasionally smoked with my dad who is an ex-hippie. You got to be super careful with these people who haven't smoked in decades because not only is their tolerance non-existent, but stuff is VASTLY more potent these days. The absolute best **** you could score in the '70s is almost like the stuff they throw away today. Feed an old head modern top shelf and that is the end of their day, don't expect them to move or be functional at all. When my dad first smoked something modern it hit him so hard he couldn't move and was convinced I'd poisoned him somehow. Last time he handled it much better with his wife there we went for a hike then they took a nap in the sun, it was nice. On their own they experimented recently with edibles before long plane rides and seem to enjoy that form of intake very much.

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« Reply #80 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 20:18:17 »

we went for a hike

experimented recently with edibles


Twice in the last year I did it on a hike in the mountains, and that was about the best way to go. Those were the only times I have done it at all in the last 10-15 years.

Even back in the day I often prepared "edibles" for concerts and such, even before it was "a thing" .... That was the only way to realistically control it and stretch it out.

What this shows is that the Republican Party knows, deep down somewhere, that even before Trump they had less than a policy agenda. All they’ve had for the past decade or so is strategy and tactics to suppress the vote, either through extreme gerrymandering or State-level laws. More often than not, as we’re seeing, through both. Without a stated party platform they are left with nothing but the insanity of The Power Grab and The Big Lie. The Party as a whole has, for some twisted logical reason, decided that America no longer needs Democracy. That in the bent and tortured reality Republicans have created for themselves America was never a Democracy, the Founders never intended for the country’s politics or social order to change, that the country’s democratic features would always only extend to wealthy White Christian property owners. They’ve also, collectively, decided that threatening major, multi-billion dollar corporations that employ tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people worldwide will somehow, for some reason, cower in the corner when State politicians decide to take a few million in subsidies off the table. When faced with hundreds of millions, or even billions, in lost business because The People are voting with their wallet, I know where I’d position my company, and it’s not at the dinner table with Mitch McConnell and his wife.
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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 20:37:06 »

we went for a hike

experimented recently with edibles


Twice in the last year I did it on a hike in the mountains, and that was about the best way to go. Those were the only times I have done it at all in the last 10-15 years.

Even back in the day I often prepared "edibles" for concerts and such, even before it was "a thing" .... That was the only way to realistically control it and stretch it out.



I say go for it! Order in some food, cozy up with the missus. Could make for a fun weekend.

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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 12 March 2021, 04:09:09 »
I only hope that now when UK left EU, they could legalise it here.
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« Reply #83 on: Sun, 14 March 2021, 01:57:24 »
Some people are more addicted to money, careers and being "successful", whatever that means, than just about any substance out there. To say that drugs of any kind are an indication of a lower quality of life is to assume that (1) people should conform to a certain standard of life and (2) that exposure to substances results in a different lifestyle and not the other way around and (3) that there isn't a demonstrable sample of the upper class that misuse drugs on a VERY similar scale, just different mediums. Western culture is so devoid of any kind of macroscopic thinking or spiritual discovery that you have people who have no idea how to achieve these alternative perspectives and misuse the tools; Drugs. And on the other side of the same coin, you have people who think that the very act of trying to develop a different perspective with the help of substances is some kind of death sentence in an absolutely absurd and trivial game of "who can have the best life". Graphs, charts, and data isn't going to help the West figure out how to properly manage tools for alternative perspectives without hurting themselves or, at the very least, starting just another vicious cycle of confusion in their attempt to escape society or culture. What we need is a better foundation for how we view the games we play in society so that people no longer feel held captive by it. The very notion of needing to have a career or life unhindered by drug use is the very catalyst of drug use. This is like telling people that the more money you have the better and then being surprised when greed overthrows virtue.

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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 01:36:11 »


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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 02:38:38 »


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****ing love this. Big Ramshackle Glory fan too.

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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 03:03:08 »
I'll check this one out

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« Reply #87 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 09:47:18 »
I only hope that now when UK left EU, they could legalise it here.

Well, I hope that now the UK is gone, they will finally legalize in here in the EU ;)

But I'm afraid neither UK nor EU will legalize it until it is fully legal on a federal level in the US. None of our spineless politicians would want to risk their careers going against Uncle Sam.

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« Reply #88 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 20:53:59 »

until it is fully legal on a federal level in the US.


Big Tobacco and Big Pharma are irritated that little guys are doing end runs, and until they figure out how to collect their tribute they will continue to command their Republican minions in Congress (and the courts) to derail every effort at legalization.
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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 06 April 2021, 05:28:30 »
i do think that either all mind altering drugs should be banned or regulated or legalized, no exception for alcohol and tobacco, the current state of it pretty much everywhere in the world is just ridiculous. (to be honest i do not smoke or drink or partake in any drugs, but i would not mind seeing them legalized, although somewhat regulated)
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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 06 April 2021, 13:02:53 »
I'd like to see hallucinogens legalized down the road. It would impact basically nothing negatively, no one does LSD on a daily biases.

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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 07:47:01 »
I'd like to see hallucinogens legalized down the road. It would impact basically nothing negatively, no one does LSD on a daily biases.
No sane person does, lol.

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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 16:06:00 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

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« Reply #93 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 16:18:00 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

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« Reply #94 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 21:59:13 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.

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« Reply #95 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 02:53:09 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.
hey pretty much like all anti depressant, isn't it? causes death, highly addictive and cause depression when you stop taking it
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« Reply #96 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 08:00:03 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.
hey pretty much like all anti depressant, isn't it? causes death, highly addictive and cause depression when you stop taking it


Yup.. Eat veggies, they is natural antidepressant.

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« Reply #97 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 09:23:21 »
well even though veggies and fruits account for about 90% of my daily food intake (when my food intake is more than 1 apple), still ain't working mate...
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« Reply #98 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 08:53:32 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.
hey pretty much like all anti depressant, isn't it? causes death, highly addictive and cause depression when you stop taking it


Yup.. Eat veggies, they is natural antidepressant.

People liking vegetables is the most depressing thing in the universe. How can you guys stand eating all that grass and ****?
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« Reply #99 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 08:58:40 »

How can you guys stand eating all that grass and ****?


I am reminded of a quote from a modern-day "cowboy" attending a conference on food production. He was leaving a symposium on vegetables and a reporter was getting comments at the door.

"Vegetables ain't food, vegetables is what food eats."
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« Reply #100 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:20:30 »
how to completely derail a thread, put TP on vegetables :)
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« Reply #101 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:22:09 »
how to completely derail a thread, put TP on vegetables :)

We all knew it would happen eventually, lol.

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« Reply #102 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:26:39 »
although now the question is, is Marijuana a vegetable? :) and if so would TP stance on it would change?
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« Reply #103 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:01:11 »
It is a plant of many uses.

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #104 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:04:25 »
although now the question is, is Marijuana a vegetable? :) and if so would TP stance on it would change?

Strategically marijuana proliferation is among the dumbest things that's affected america.

Everything costs something. The cost of marijuana is TIME and Productivity. You take a regular human being, dope him up, see how well he works.  This is only going to acclerate the decline of american excellence.

The only argument for marijuana is if we say, well you have to create this blue collar workforce somehow. As statistically most kids who do weed before highschool end up dropouts.

Tp4 is not convinced this blue collar human workforce is necessary given what automation and AI is becoming.  This ploy is far more likely to be a net loss in competitiveness of american businesses.

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« Reply #105 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 21:12:17 »
I'm a country where marijuana is banned, but it must be a really fascinating product... I definitely want to experience it.  :eek:
But I saw that analysis very well.
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« Reply #106 on: Tue, 13 April 2021, 01:51:45 »
Honestly the exact same can be said about underage kids who smoke cigarettes. They were, in my experience, almost always trouble makers or slackers.
So it's not the cannabis per se I don't believe.

They're both not good.   neuro development does not complete until ~ age 25.

Imagine installing windows, and the the CPU is hit by enough system interrupts such that it copies the wrong code to disk.

SOME systems might come out ok if the damage is fringe code,  but others can end up inoperable.


During OS-Installation, Tp4 always underclocks the CPU and makes sure the minimum amount of components are connected as well as disabling non-essential motherboard functions .


That's not how interrupts work. And OS installs for all modern versions of Windows, OSX, almost all Linux and BSD distros verify file integrity via checksums. Interrupts are workload driven as well, so an underclocked CPU is just going to handle the interrupts slower, so the overall level of CPU contention is going to remain the same.


Anyway, I didn't smoke pot regularly until my mid 20s, so I can't really talk about any effects it would have had on me if I had started younger, but it's never impacted my ability to hold down a white collar job in a competitive industry.

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« Reply #107 on: Tue, 13 April 2021, 01:53:41 »
frankly all the peoples i know/knew who took marijuana did it because it was illegal just to do something illegal, i am not sure if legalization would increase the numbers, and alcohol have rather similar effects on time and productivity, so if alcohol is legal i do not see why marijuana isn't, works both way, to me both should be treated as equal.
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« Reply #108 on: Tue, 13 April 2021, 04:06:19 »
frankly all the peoples i know/knew who took marijuana did it because it was illegal just to do something illegal, i am not sure if legalization would increase the numbers, and alcohol have rather similar effects on time and productivity, so if alcohol is legal i do not see why marijuana isn't, works both way, to me both should be treated as equal.

Yep, I think so too.
Mary Jane having less impact on actual body, should be legalised - alcohol has bigger impact, very unhealthy, where MJ is all good for you:)

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« Reply #109 on: Tue, 13 April 2021, 16:45:07 »
We have more weed than anyone else here, and it's fine.

It's like you said, it's legal here, so it's not so cool for kids to get into. It's just kinda, meh. It's mostly for the tourists.
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« Reply #110 on: Tue, 13 April 2021, 18:14:44 »
We have more weed than anyone else here, and it's fine.

It's like you said, it's legal here, so it's not so cool for kids to get into. It's just kinda, meh. It's mostly for the tourists.
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« Reply #111 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 03:07:48 »
We have more weed than anyone else here, and it's fine.

It's like you said, it's legal here, so it's not so cool for kids to get into. It's just kinda, meh. It's mostly for the tourists.
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« Reply #112 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 04:07:27 »
We have more weed than anyone else here, and it's fine.

It's like you said, it's legal here, so it's not so cool for kids to get into. It's just kinda, meh. It's mostly for the tourists.
You're gonna hit the blunt once and start seeing the world in imperial units.
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« Reply #113 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 09:56:14 »
Still don't understand why 'Murica is so tied up into using "Freedom" units for measurements, Metric system is soo much easier in the long run (and more accurate).  So being that I am American, do I see in Metric instead of Imperial/Freedom units? 

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« Reply #114 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 10:15:13 »
It's funny, liquid measure made the switch quickly, in certain areas, back in the 1970s when there was the first serious concerted push to change over.

I started school in 1958 and finished school in 1976, and there was talk of a changeover - in the near future - for most of that time, especially the latter part.

The actual answer is the  installed base / sunk cost  dilemma.

And as the old saying goes: "The only thing that people hate more than the status quo is change."

But to your point, yes I can think in metric measure but it takes a bit of effort.
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« Reply #115 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 10:22:07 »
metric vs imp is a political debate.

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« Reply #116 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 13:57:10 »
This debate is relevant to the thread, because weed is sold in ounces AND grams.  :confused:

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 13:58:24 »
the weight is all over the place on it depending.

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