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Offline lutchbu

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[IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 18:48:53 »
Hi geekhack!
Two weeks ago I posted on reddit about a little piece of brass I machined to fix the old stemmed BOX switches I have. I also made a v2 out of steel.

Reddit post v1: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9p2ay5/i_present_to_you_the_stemshaver/
Reddit post v2: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9p97bd/stemshaver_v2_adventures_in_metal/
Imgur album: https://imgur.com/a/zgmJw6z

This got some attention and lots of people told me they'd be interested in buying one, so here we are...

IC Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdqCEiw2psQEP_6m0DztjzyczzvGgwjO_JBK3t7tdOsohNagw/viewform

If there are any questions, feel free to get in touch but it's the first time I'm doing something like this, so please be gentle. ;)


frequently asked questions


Price
Material costs are low. I don't know for sure but probably under 0.5 USD. The expensive part is my time and the machining. It took me about an hour to make the first one.
To explain my current manufacturing steps a bit:
  • cutting stock to length
  • milling the slots
  • grinding the bevels and deburring
  • fine tuning the distance between the cutting edges to 1.25mm by hand sanding the inside faces of the tool The new version does not require this anymore.


Shipping
I'm in the EU and I plan to ship worldwide if we get that far. The tool is small, this should keep the shipping costs fairly low. Current estimate is 8-10 USD tracked and insured up to ~40 USD. No promises though.

Durability
It turns out there are lots of you with several hundred switches they'd like to fix. This rises the reasonable question if the tool will hold up/stay sharp for that many switches, especially the brass version.
I don't think the sharpness will be a problem. Even if the shaver blunts it could easily be resharpened with some fine grit sandpaper and a flat surface. However, I am a bit concerned about the cutting edges bending apart. While the tool wouldn't become unusable, it would become less effective, requiring multiple applications per stem or application at an angle, which in turn would require more care by the user. The new version should not have this problem.
BUT, to be honest I don't know and this is all speculation on my part.

How to use it
Ideally, you push it on the stem in the right orientation, pull it off and you're done. I would recommend testing the fit every few switches and adjusting the tool or your technique accordingly to produce the desired tightness.

Short video of me using the tool:


UPDATE 2


New version:

In this version the sides of the x-axis are closed. This should prevent the prongs from deforming but is a bit more difficult to machine.

I also made prototypes of the regular and deluxe version.
Regular:


Deluxe:


more pictures here: https://imgur.com/a/wnLvcYB

The next step is to send a few stemshavers out for testing.




Changelog:
2018-11-01: added FAQ
2018-11-11: added Update 2, updated FAQ
« Last Edit: Sun, 11 November 2018, 19:44:09 by lutchbu »

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 18:49:36 »
Want one!


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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 18:58:04 »
I'd be interested as well. Gotta make use of allll of these switches I have lying around in the corner of shame.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 19:21:34 »
About 1000 switches that need fixing.  I’d take one or two
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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 19:26:58 »
IN.  I need to fix my switches.  stuck using PBT on a super nice board right now.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 19:29:59 »
I'm interested, but I have questions before filling out the form.

1. Can you do a render of sorts of your deluxe tool idea? It can be potato, I'm just having trouble visualizing what you mean.

2. About how long does it take you to mill one, what's the likelihood of mistakes and do-overs, and what is the per-tool metal cost? I want to know a little more before suggesting a price.

3. I have around 700 of the first-gen box switches to shave. Do you think brass would stay sharp through that many?

Thanks for running this! It'll be a life saver.

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 20:55:12 »
Interested as heck!!!!

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 21:07:58 »
I'm definitely interested as well.
I have a lot of unused Box switches stocked up. 
I had been considering trying to sell them, but if this tool works - I would rather try this first rather than completely offloading my stock. 

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 21:50:19 »
I'm interested.  I don't think we know enough about your time and costs to be able to suggest a price for you.

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« Reply #9 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 21:52:08 »
Registering my interest in this thing!

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« Reply #10 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 21:56:55 »
IC filled out. would love to have my SA on Navies again.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 23:23:02 »
If you're looking for people to do some early testing for feedback, I've got about 700 Jades to test on.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 31 October 2018, 23:37:15 »
Interested. Even though I'm not that into box anymore. There's not much that's unique
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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 00:55:52 »
Interested. Even though I'm not that into box anymore. There's not much that's unique

If you like clicky switches, there isn't much to compare them with...

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 01:00:57 »
I'm very interested!

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 01:27:36 »
I'll try it
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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 03:08:00 »
I am in

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #17 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 04:00:46 »
PVD Coating pls  :)) :)) :))

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 04:08:13 »
This is really cool, would definitely think of buying one if I had a lot of Box switches.
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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 10:19:03 »
In for one

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 12:34:22 »
In for one too. And some thing to protect the stem shaver from corrosion would be nice. I guess that is what the pvd coating demand is for?


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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 14:03:00 »
What's the coating about? Like what you see on some knives, where it's coated except for the cutting edge?

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 16:32:01 »
This will come in handy. Interested!

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 16:50:28 »
Interested

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 17:02:07 »
Personally I can live withoult a coating. It should work, should shave the stems.
It is a tool used for let's say for a year. Then all the box stems will be the new ones, and the old ones will be shawed.


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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 17:13:40 »
Interested. Seems like a useful tool to have.
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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 17:20:26 »
Yep... sign me up.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 17:37:35 »
Since every time I see this topic I misread it as either “steamshaver” or “steambeaver”, can we call it that?   Maybe the stem beaver? Thx
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 18:58:48 »
Since every time I see this topic I misread it as either “steamshaver” or “steambeaver”, can we call it that?   Maybe the stem beaver? Thx

Heh, I like Stem Beaver. +1

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #29 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:02:38 »
How about calling it the Boxcutter? Wordplay/pun requirement satisfied without bordering on lewd, conveys what it does.
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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:03:00 »
I too love the name stem beaver.
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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:04:26 »
How about calling it the Boxcutter? Wordplay/pun requirement satisfied without bordering on lewd, conveys what it does.

Beavers aren’t lewd. They’re literally animals that chew down trees. But I do like box cutter as well.

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:22:45 »
Damn... Boxcutter is good...

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #33 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:26:58 »
Hi, I just updated the 1. post addressing frequently asked questions and comments

I'm interested, but I have questions before filling out the form.

1. Can you do a render of sorts of your deluxe tool idea? It can be potato, I'm just having trouble visualizing what you mean.

2. About how long does it take you to mill one, what's the likelihood of mistakes and do-overs, and what is the per-tool metal cost? I want to know a little more before suggesting a price.

3. I have around 700 of the first-gen box switches to shave. Do you think brass would stay sharp through that many?

Thanks for running this! It'll be a life saver.
I don't have render at the moment, just an idea in my head. ;) I'll try to make some prototypes soon.

PVD Coating pls  :)) :)) :))

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In for one too. And some thing to protect the stem shaver from corrosion would be nice. I guess that is what the pvd coating demand is for?
What's the coating about? Like what you see on some knives, where it's coated except for the cutting edge?
Please keep in mind that every manufacturing step added will drive up cost. I could oil the steel version but that would be a mess.


Since every time I see this topic I misread it as either “steamshaver” or “steambeaver”, can we call it that?   Maybe the stem beaver? Thx
Heh, I like Stem Beaver. +1
How about calling it the Boxcutter? Wordplay/pun requirement satisfied without bordering on lewd, conveys what it does.
I like both names. :) Maybe we'll get a rebrand for the GB.

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:47:54 »
I marked myself as down for this. I'm on a Tada68 with old Box Jades, and one of my low value caps is cracked. I've got a set of Mitolet on the way, and am scared :(
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« Reply #35 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:54:17 »
Shoot I’ll use this on mx clears
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« Reply #36 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 20:15:34 »
Beavers aren’t lewd. They’re literally animals that chew down trees. But I do like box cutter as well.

My mind is just dirty and went to the lewd side (shave + beaver + box/stem), so I tried to temper it for non-sick-f*cks by adding "bordering on" :D
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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 01 November 2018, 21:15:58 »
Box beaver.  There.  Super lude, super awesome. 
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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 02 November 2018, 16:12:38 »
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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 02 November 2018, 16:14:19 »
Can you explain how this tool actually works??

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 02 November 2018, 16:35:51 »
Can you explain how this tool actually works??

OG box stems have little ridges on the side that can break caps, this cuts them off

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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 02 November 2018, 16:40:33 »
thanks, was wondering also.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 02:58:00 »
Hey OP, what do you think would your tool work with Nexus ALPS to MX stem equally well? Turns out, they need some shaving too.

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« Reply #43 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 05:28:06 »
How about calling it the Boxcutter? Wordplay/pun requirement satisfied without bordering on lewd, conveys what it does.

"Box cutter" sounds good and with just the right amount of pun.  :thumb:
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« Reply #44 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 07:43:15 »
How about calling it the Boxcutter? Wordplay/pun requirement satisfied without bordering on lewd, conveys what it does.

"Box cutter" sounds good and with just the right amount of pun.  :thumb:

I'm fond of that one myself. ;)

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« Reply #45 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 12:26:38 »
so down

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« Reply #46 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 19:53:35 »
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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 21:11:32 »
I'd be interested in getting one of these for future box switches I may end up getting :)

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« Reply #48 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 22:29:57 »
I was going to sell my Box Jades because it wasn't worth risking caps, but if I can pick up a Boxcutter, depending on the price, that would be awesome!

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« Reply #49 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 22:48:13 »
I keep hearing people refer to OG and first generation box switches as if this is no longer an issue. I have been told the exact opposite by several people. Do I need this if I buy new box switches or not?

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« Reply #50 on: Sat, 03 November 2018, 23:12:11 »
I keep hearing people refer to OG and first generation box switches as if this is no longer an issue. I have been told the exact opposite by several people. Do I need this if I buy new box switches or not?

I'm trying to test them but it's a slow process.  I have a GMK set sitting on retooled box red switches.  They've been on there for over two weeks and still not signs of stress.  I'll try another box switch in a few days probably.  I own a full set of all of them, old and newly retooled.
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« Reply #51 on: Sun, 04 November 2018, 05:04:38 »
Can you explain how this tool actually works??
OG box stems have little ridges on the side that can break caps, this cuts them off
Awesome illustration! Thanks for making it.

Hey OP, what do you think would your tool work with Nexus ALPS to MX stem equally well? Turns out, they need some shaving too.
I don't see why it shouldn't work with all MX style stems.

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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 04 November 2018, 17:22:01 »
Thanks for updating with FAQ. I've registered, and am looking forward to it!

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« Reply #53 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 11:27:47 »
Hey OP, what do you think would your tool work with Nexus ALPS to MX stem equally well? Turns out, they need some shaving too.
I don't see why it shouldn't work with all MX style stems.

There is one thing I still don't understand though.
Guy who's making those Nexus stems mentioned 1.28 mm as his goal after shaving with a razor blade.

You on the other hand was going after 1.25 mm if I understood correctly what you wrote in the initial post? Isn't that perhaps a little bit too thin?

What's the official Cherry specification?
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« Reply #54 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 12:47:27 »
Hey OP, what do you think would your tool work with Nexus ALPS to MX stem equally well? Turns out, they need some shaving too.
I don't see why it shouldn't work with all MX style stems.

There is one thing I still don't understand though.
Guy who's making those Nexus stems mentioned 1.28 mm as his goal after shaving with a razor blade.

You on the other hand was going after 1.25 mm if I understood correctly what you wrote in the initial post? Isn't that perhaps a little bit too thin?

My spec was 1.30mm±0.02mm, but the mold is measuring 1.28mm or 1.29mm, so a light shave would be 1.25mm, but I actually fully cut them off on mine and the caps still stay on.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 12:58:08 »
My spec was 1.30mm±0.02mm, but the mold is measuring 1.28mm or 1.29mm, so a light shave would be 1.25mm, but I actually fully cut them off on mine and the caps still stay on.

Thing is, official MX spec that I found was 1.31 +/-0.2 mm. GMK molds are actually OG Cherry molds, so they should work fine on Cherry stem.

You are saying yours are 1.28 and they still somehow have problems. I find that to be peculiar because obviously stem thickness is just one of the factors, and shape, size and volume of the knob on the stem may actually have a lot to do with the problem, but that's just my speculation.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 13:16:15 »
Thing is, official MX spec that I found was 1.31 +/-0.2 mm. GMK molds are actually OG Cherry molds, so they should work fine on Cherry stem.

You are saying yours are 1.28 and they still somehow have problems. I find that to be peculiar because obviously stem thickness is just one of the factors, and shape, size and volume of the knob on the stem may actually have a lot to do with the problem, but that's just my speculation.

Oh I know the geometry is the problem...but only now because the sliders were designed before the issue with BOX switches came to light, and I was going off of their design but thinner. V2 is going to be like cherry but I still don't know what dimension, Cherry spec may be 1.31±0.02mm but they tend to measure smaller than that, so I will have to figure that out.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 13:26:56 »
V2 is going to be like cherry but I still don't know what dimension, Cherry spec may be 1.31±0.02mm but they tend to measure smaller than that, so I will have to figure that out.

Yeah, to complicate things even further, size of the mold is one thing and size of the product is another because POM shrinks a little bit during the cooling process. It's quite difficult to determine everything right
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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 18:15:46 »
I'll take 1

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 06 November 2018, 21:28:06 »
Def would buy 2 budget ones as I plan on fixing quite a few switches.

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« Reply #60 on: Wed, 07 November 2018, 11:05:09 »
Would caps be loose on 1.25mm?

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« Reply #61 on: Wed, 07 November 2018, 12:36:28 »
Hey OP, any update on these?

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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 12:28:43 »
Hey OP, what do you think would your tool work with Nexus ALPS to MX stem equally well? Turns out, they need some shaving too.
I don't see why it shouldn't work with all MX style stems.

There is one thing I still don't understand though.
Guy who's making those Nexus stems mentioned 1.28 mm as his goal after shaving with a razor blade.

You on the other hand was going after 1.25 mm if I understood correctly what you wrote in the initial post? Isn't that perhaps a little bit too thin?

What's the official Cherry specification?

Hey OP, what do you think would your tool work with Nexus ALPS to MX stem equally well? Turns out, they need some shaving too.
I don't see why it shouldn't work with all MX style stems.

There is one thing I still don't understand though.
Guy who's making those Nexus stems mentioned 1.28 mm as his goal after shaving with a razor blade.

You on the other hand was going after 1.25 mm if I understood correctly what you wrote in the initial post? Isn't that perhaps a little bit too thin?

My spec was 1.30mm±0.02mm, but the mold is measuring 1.28mm or 1.29mm, so a light shave would be 1.25mm, but I actually fully cut them off on mine and the caps still stay on.

Would caps be loose on 1.25mm?

1.25mm is not too thin. I have some Gateron Reds that measure at around 1.22mm.
I removed the nubs entirely on one of the BOX switches and this is definitely to thin (~1.08mm). Keycaps still hold on when turned upside down but just barely.

Hey OP, any update on these?
I've been working on a new version. I'll post an update this weekend.

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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 12:34:05 »
Ideally the shaving should be to the point where it holds as well as an original Cherry MX switch does.

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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 09 November 2018, 13:16:26 »
Ideally the shaving should be to the point where it holds as well as an original Cherry MX switch does.

Yes but this is almost impossible to do properly because OG Cherry stems have different geometry. You can measure the thickess and try to reproduce that, but it most probably won't feel the same on another stem.

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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 11 November 2018, 19:45:56 »
First post updated with new version and prototype pictures.

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« Reply #66 on: Sun, 11 November 2018, 19:59:52 »
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« Reply #67 on: Sun, 11 November 2018, 21:17:42 »
By golly, I really want this to work. This could save the box switches. 
I only just noticed the video in the initial post too, that is very compelling. 

Thank you so much for starting this project!

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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 11 November 2018, 21:33:59 »
OP if you need someone to test the shaver on the Nexus sliders, hit me up. They have a very similar bump to the box switches so I would be curious to see how it does. Plus you may get more sales if I can confirm it. :P

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« Reply #69 on: Sun, 11 November 2018, 23:37:52 »
I have a few hundred box switches that I'm not planning on using. If you need someone to test these let me know. I also work in a machine shop and can do precision measurements if you want to collect more data on the dimensions after shaving.

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« Reply #70 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 05:13:06 »
feel bad for people whove used the box switches until now,

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« Reply #71 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 05:31:16 »
feel bad for people whove used the box switches until now,

Why? It's only an real issue if you have them on "end-game" builds and/or GMK keysets I think. They're still great switches just ****s up keysets :D
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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 08:24:14 »
Why? It's only an real issue if you have them on "end-game" builds and/or GMK keysets I think. They're still great switches just ****s up keysets :D

This is a good point. I've actually considered getting something like Maxkey WoB so that I can use Box switches with impunity!

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« Reply #73 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 11:37:56 »
OP if you need someone to test the shaver on the Nexus sliders, hit me up. They have a very similar bump to the box switches so I would be curious to see how it does. Plus you may get more sales if I can confirm it. :P

Someone get this man a stem shaver... stat!! I really hope this solves one of the unforseen aspects of the nexus buy.

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« Reply #74 on: Mon, 12 November 2018, 13:06:28 »
I volunteer to be a tester. I will put this through heavy use. Will pay whatever you want!

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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 14:57:22 »
Having viewed the pictures, I think the regular handle is my favorite. Looking forward to the GB.

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« Reply #76 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 17:10:32 »
OP if you need someone to test the shaver on the Nexus sliders, hit me up. They have a very similar bump to the box switches so I would be curious to see how it does. Plus you may get more sales if I can confirm it. :P

Definitely would like to know if this tool works well for the Nexus sliders.

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« Reply #77 on: Tue, 13 November 2018, 17:31:01 »
I have a few hundred box switches that I'm not planning on using. If you need someone to test these let me know. I also work in a machine shop and can do precision measurements if you want to collect more data on the dimensions after shaving.

I, too have a stash of Box switches and may be able to afford to be a tester. I'll have to get some calipers, but those will be cheaper than replacing my Mitolet or upcoming Carbon purchases.
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« Reply #78 on: Sat, 17 November 2018, 10:58:30 »
Any updates on this? I have a lot of Boz switches in the mail for some requested builds.

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« Reply #79 on: Sat, 17 November 2018, 16:07:49 »
Interested!
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« Reply #80 on: Sat, 17 November 2018, 17:02:55 »
I'll pay $40 for a prototype stemshaver sent to me.

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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 18 November 2018, 17:32:42 »
Any updates yet???

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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 19 November 2018, 03:20:00 »
I'd love to buy a stack of these for Australia.

I have something like 5000 cap crackers, so these would be a godsend!

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 19 November 2018, 10:27:09 »
I'd love to buy a stack of these for Australia.

I have something like 5000 cap crackers, so these would be a godsend!

This is the first time I've heard box switches referred to as "cap crackers."
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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 19 November 2018, 11:01:00 »
Would love love love to get one of these!

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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 19 November 2018, 11:45:05 »
Lutchbu seems to be inactive for a while. I hope he/she's not in one of those fire areas.

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« Reply #87 on: Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:16:41 »
Hey.

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« Reply #88 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:03:58 »
Interested aswell. Any updates?

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« Reply #89 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:11:57 »
Bought some old box switches on the cheap in anticipation for the stem shaver. Don't let me down hahaha

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« Reply #90 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 17:51:51 »
Bought some old box switches on the cheap in anticipation for the stem shaver. Don't let me down hahaha

Same got 100 Novelias and Navies on the way in anticipation of this. Hopefully we see something soon.

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« Reply #91 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 19:08:49 »
You guys bought those on the Black Friday sale too?

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« Reply #92 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 19:22:19 »
You guys bought those on the Black Friday sale too?
Yee, couldn't say no to some cheap thick clicks.

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« Reply #93 on: Mon, 26 November 2018, 20:26:59 »
You guys bought those on the Black Friday sale too?
Yee, couldn't say no to some cheap thick clicks.

Not to mention the last of the Novelias
I'm definitely waiting for the Stemshaver to fix those, I'm not going to risk hacking those up with an Xacto knife.

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« Reply #94 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 05:26:01 »
Also in need of this

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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 07:54:58 »
Any updates? Excited about this!

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« Reply #96 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 21:23:16 »
It'll be nice to not have to just chuck my old switches, looking forward to GB!

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« Reply #97 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 23:21:01 »
Interested!

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« Reply #98 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 23:25:42 »
I know that he is sending a few prototypes out for people to test.  So, it'll probably happen soon.
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« Reply #99 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 23:34:26 »
I know that he is sending a few prototypes out for people to test.  So, it'll probably happen soon.

Yep, mine should be here soon hopefully so stuff will be happening soonish I hope.

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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 01 December 2018, 23:50:17 »
Woohoo! Looking forward to getting my Jades in order.

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« Reply #101 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 09:15:34 »
Mine is in the mail!

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« Reply #102 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 15:26:54 »
IMO, the Stemshaver can skip the IC and directly contact Kailh for funding and sponsorship so that this product can be cheaply available to all of us who still want to give some chance to Kailh box switches.

If Kailh can sponsor this project, this is going to be a Win-Win situation to recover the mess of creating these cap-stem breaking switches:

1. Kailh can get approval from us in their latest revisions of box switches fittings and prove that the Stemshaver does not further shave down the new switch stems.
2. We are happy to try out our old shaved switches, and other users with the testimony from us can rest their mind to buy a finally corrected revision of their box switches.

Of course, Kailh can just deny and ignore all these and just keep revising their box switches until no one (who still dare to try) breaks their key caps any more. I bet their sales, even with the wave of box royal purple, are declining sharply because of this.
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« Reply #103 on: Sun, 02 December 2018, 21:04:28 »
In a perfect world they might.  But this is the world we live in.  Where have you ever seen a company step in and do the right thing when there wasn't potential life in the balance.  This is just some stressed caps.  It sucks for us, but it's not a big deal for the rest of the world, unfortunately.  The jury is still out on whether shaved stems will help prevent keycaps from cracking.  This is what the prototypes going out will help with.   More people with eyes and hands on the product is a good thing.  I like Kailh's switches, but I wouldn't trust them blindly if they sold the shavers and said they did the trick.   I'd still want some community members to test the waters.
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« Reply #104 on: Mon, 03 December 2018, 12:54:25 »
Why? It's only an real issue if you have them on "end-game" builds and/or GMK keysets I think. They're still great switches just ****s up keysets :D

This is a good point. I've actually considered getting something like Maxkey WoB so that I can use Box switches with impunity!

Maxkey sets are especially susceptible to the cracking issue because they have very thin stem walls (they have been known to crack easily even without box switches from what I've read). The keyset that originated my thread was Maxkey Orange on Dolch.

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« Reply #105 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 01:24:02 »
I offer to sacrifice myself as subject to the prototype shaver.

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« Reply #106 on: Wed, 05 December 2018, 15:28:18 »
I just ordered 3mm flat files for old stock novelias. Figure I can do it while watching football. Would love a stemshaver, even if it wasn't perfect...

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« Reply #107 on: Sun, 09 December 2018, 10:15:17 »
Have we scared OP off?

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« Reply #108 on: Sun, 09 December 2018, 14:13:21 »
I have a prototype in the mail, I'll update after using.

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« Reply #109 on: Sun, 09 December 2018, 14:25:48 »
I have a prototype in the mail, I'll update after using.
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Please do!  I think many of us are waiting with bated breath and fingers crossed.


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« Reply #110 on: Sun, 09 December 2018, 15:03:19 »
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« Reply #111 on: Sun, 09 December 2018, 15:41:35 »
I also have a proto in the mail, not sure when it will get here as the tracking has no expected date sadly...

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« Reply #112 on: Sun, 09 December 2018, 17:25:57 »
I have a prototype in the mail, I'll update after using.
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Please do!  I think many of us are waiting with bated breath and fingers crossed.

It's the brass one, not SS - so it will be interesting to see how long it holds up. I have 175 Navies, 75 Jades and 100 Novelias. Hopefully it holds up for all of them.

Would still buy SS version if it became available.

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« Reply #113 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:37:13 »
Have we scared OP off?
Don't worry, I'm still here.
I'm currently waiting to get feedback on the prototypes I sent out.

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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 10 December 2018, 13:19:45 »
super interested and antsy to get one of these as well!

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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 07:51:14 »
Really exciting to hear that prototypes are almost in hand.

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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 10:14:56 »
If these work, I'll buy one instantly.

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« Reply #117 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 12:53:50 »
I just got mine today (prototype).  I'll definitely take some time to fully test it out, but here's what I see so far:

First and most importantly, it seems to work. Time and testing will tell, but I'm quite optimistic on this. 

It's simple to use, but does require some force to press it onto the stem (varies by switch). This is probably something that is easier to do with mounted switches than with loose switches.  Have you ever tried to push PCB mount switches into a board with small holes?  That's the feeling I have in my hands after doing 6 switches.  It will take a bit of time and patience.

It took me about 5 minutes to do the top row of my box black board and another 5 min to do some loose hako violets.  I plan to finish up the box black board (the one that originally broke my hyperfuse set), and mount some GMK caps on it.  Then I'll continue to use the tool on loose switches to see how well it holds up.  I'll report back when I find how everything turns out.
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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #118 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 12:58:52 »
is it possible to go "too far" with this tool? like make them too shaved so that the caps aren't tight enough on the board?

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« Reply #119 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 13:01:13 »
is it possible to go "too far" with this tool? like make them too shaved so that the caps aren't tight enough on the board?

Nope.  I haven't had that happen.  Even used the tool on a few stems 8 or 9 times.  It just takes off what is needed.
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« Reply #120 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 13:24:45 »
This thread is pricisely why someone could fall in love with this community.
A problem with a niche product arose.
The community came together to discuss and identify the problem, and discuss potential solutions.
And then someone starts creating a solution to help others fix said problem.

You guys are great.

I'm gonna order like, 2 or 3 of these things. 😊

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« Reply #121 on: Tue, 11 December 2018, 13:59:21 »
This thread is pricisely why someone could fall in love with this community.
A problem with a niche product arose.
The community came together to discuss and identify the problem, and discuss potential solutions.
And then someone starts creating a solution to help others fix said problem.

You guys are great.

I'm gonna order like, 2 or 3 of these things.
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On the real though, I can't agree more. Thank you to lutchbu for designing the stemshaver and to all the prototype testers for running it through its paces.

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« Reply #122 on: Wed, 12 December 2018, 14:31:26 »
Just got my prototype(steel) today, will be testing on Nexus sliders and box switches. Will update once I have more info.

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« Reply #123 on: Wed, 12 December 2018, 16:02:03 »
Okay so I have been shaving stems for a little while now and here are my findings so far. (Won't be giving actual measurements only deltas as all calipers/micrometers will measure slightly different depending on manufacturer and each Stemshaver has a tolerance as well)

Nexus Sliders:
1) The stemshaver heavily favors cutting on one side and barely on the other, this is most likely due to manufacturing and can be fixed. I have marked the side that cuts with a sharpie and everytime I use it only that side cuts and the other barely does anything, and I flip it to cut the other bumps and once again that same marked side cuts. So I have to cut each stem twice, which sucks.
2) The insert needs to be glued in because it can actually get stuck on the stem and prevent it from being separated without using pliers.
3) Can't be used with an assembled switch, which is fine because it wasn't meant to fit in an alps(or nexus for that matter) housing.
4) After cutting twice on each stem they typically shave off ~0.05mm and when put in a GMK cap, fit tightly and don't stress the cap at all.
5) The cap grows from ~5.59mm to ~5.69mm with the stem inserted, which is the same as some cherry MX reds I tested with. So caps seem to be safe and still fit very tightly like they should.

Conclusion: Nexus sliders seem to benefit from the stemshaver, once glued in and marked for the dominant cutting side. Caps are not stressed like they used to be, and are stretching the same as MX reds so that is a good sign.

BOX switches:
1) Once again the dominant cutting side still is seen here so you have to cut twice and flip the cutter 180 degrees in between cuts. Once done it shaves off ~0.05mm, which puts it in the safe range and does not stretch the caps. Can't measure the increase in cap stem size as the box switch gets in the way and I don't feel like destroying one right now. My bet is it may stretch a tad less than MX reds as it wasn't held as tightly but that can be due to the surface finish after cutting as well.
2) Much easier to cut than nexus sliders as you don't have to due the slider separately and that makes it easier to remove.

Conclusion: The Stemshaver works well on the BOX switches and puts them in the safe zone to not crack or stress caps yet still be held tightly.

Things I would change:
1) Glue the insert in as it is able to come out during use, which make it a pain and slows the process down greatly.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #124 on: Wed, 12 December 2018, 16:06:38 »
Okay so I have been shaving stems for a little while now and here are my findings so far. (Won't be giving actual measurements only deltas as all calipers/micrometers will measure slightly different depending on manufacturer and each Stemshaver has a tolerance as well)

Nexus Sliders:
1) The stemshaver heavily favors cutting on one side and barely on the other, this is most likely due to manufacturing and can be fixed. I have marked the side that cuts with a sharpie and everytime I use it only that side cuts and the other barely does anything, and I flip it to cut the other bumps and once again that same marked side cuts. So I have to cut each stem twice, which sucks.
2) The insert needs to be glued in because it can actually get stuck on the stem and prevent it from being separated without using pliers.
3) Can't be used with an assembled switch, which is fine because it wasn't meant to fit in an alps(or nexus for that matter) housing.
4) After cutting twice on each stem they typically shave off ~0.05mm and when put in a GMK cap, fit tightly and don't stress the cap at all.
5) The cap grows from ~5.59mm to ~5.69mm with the stem inserted, which is the same as some cherry MX reds I tested with. So caps seem to be safe and still fit very tightly like they should.

Conclusion: Nexus sliders seem to benefit from the stemshaver, once glued in and marked for the dominant cutting side. Caps are not stressed like they used to be, and are stretching the same as MX reds so that is a good sign.

BOX switches:
1) Once again the dominant cutting side still is seen here so you have to cut twice and flip the cutter 180 degrees in between cuts. Once done it shaves off ~0.05mm, which puts it in the safe range and does not stretch the caps. Can't measure the increase in cap stem size as the box switch gets in the way and I don't feel like destroying one right now. My bet is it may stretch a tad less than MX reds as it wasn't held as tightly but that can be due to the surface finish after cutting as well.
2) Much easier to cut than nexus sliders as you don't have to due the slider separately and that makes it easier to remove.

Conclusion: The Stemshaver works well on the BOX switches and puts them in the safe zone to not crack or stress caps yet still be held tightly.

Things I would change:
1) Glue the insert in as it is able to come out during use, which make it a pain and slows the process down greatly.



Seriously you should of at least volunteered to shaved all the stems for round 1ers....shame on you.



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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #125 on: Wed, 12 December 2018, 16:15:14 »
Seriously you should of at least volunteered to shaved all the stems for round 1ers....shame on you.

And you should learn that your opinion isn't important, if you have problems with it keep it to yourself, you were an ass in my thread and now you are coming here to do the same thing, stop being an ******* just because you head is stuck up one.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #126 on: Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:04:34 »
My understanding was that one side was supposed to be cut more than the other, because on box switches iirc, the X axis had bigger nubs on the end than the Y axis. And it was the X axis that was causing issues with caps, so that was the 'problem' side that needed to be shaved.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.

I got my prototype in - I won't be able to test it until Friday afternoon, but I will be able to report back then!

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 12 December 2018, 23:44:53 »
My understanding was that one side was supposed to be cut more than the other, because on box switches iirc, the X axis had bigger nubs on the end than the Y axis. And it was the X axis that was causing issues with caps, so that was the 'problem' side that needed to be shaved.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.

I got my prototype in - I won't be able to test it until Friday afternoon, but I will be able to report back then!

You are correct, but I was meaning there is a dominant x axis side(due to machining tolerance) so it doesn't cut both sides bumps the same hence the 180 rotation.

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« Reply #128 on: Thu, 13 December 2018, 16:42:12 »
I've not been able to do a lot of testing since I've been busy dealing with PayPal support, but I do have some initial thoughts:

 - With the steel shavers, they do fit quite snugly on the stems making it take a not-insignificant amount of force to take it back off after pushing it on. One of my shavers fits well enough in the handle that it doesn't pull out of it, but the other one I did have to remove from the switches I've used it on with pliers. Gluing or otherwise permanently mounting it into the handle would help this, but I'm not able to do that since I need to test two different shavers.
 - I did encounter the same situation blindassassin talked about where one side the angle shaver does seem to favor cutting more than the other. It doesn't seem to affect the fit of the caps after using it, and the "issue" does seem to be more pronounced on stems that are larger to begin with since some of the slimmer stems seemed to shave evenly.

So far the end result with a virgin/sacrificial GMK cap(who uses Scroll Lock anyway?) and a G20 PBT blank has shown good results comparing between before shaving, after shaving, and comparing to the fit of a Gat green. It's a noticeably looser/smoother fit that feels nowhere near as dangerously tight as some stock boxes. I hope to have some more testing done in a bit, hopefully an entire board or two for each of the two different shavers, I'm just not entirely sure when I'll have it done.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 13 December 2018, 19:38:14 »
My understanding was that one side was supposed to be cut more than the other, because on box switches iirc, the X axis had bigger nubs on the end than the Y axis. And it was the X axis that was causing issues with caps, so that was the 'problem' side that needed to be shaved.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere.

I got my prototype in - I won't be able to test it until Friday afternoon, but I will be able to report back then!

You are correct, but I was meaning there is a dominant x axis side(due to machining tolerance) so it doesn't cut both sides bumps the same hence the 180 rotation.

Gotcha, that makes sense. I'll see if I have the same experience when I use it.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #130 on: Fri, 14 December 2018, 05:58:12 »
Feedback seems promising so far, excited! Here s hoping that my pile of unused capcrackers will finally be able to be put to some use  :)

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #131 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 13:54:34 »
Okay so I have been shaving stems for a little while now and here are my findings so far. (Won't be giving actual measurements only deltas as all calipers/micrometers will measure slightly different depending on manufacturer and each Stemshaver has a tolerance as well)

Nexus Sliders:
1) The stemshaver heavily favors cutting on one side and barely on the other, this is most likely due to manufacturing and can be fixed. I have marked the side that cuts with a sharpie and everytime I use it only that side cuts and the other barely does anything, and I flip it to cut the other bumps and once again that same marked side cuts. So I have to cut each stem twice, which sucks.
...

I suppose by side you mean left/right? This would suggest that the cutting faces are not parallel. If I had to guess I'd say this is due to the lack of rigidity in my milling setup (and my inexperience).

2) The insert needs to be glued in because it can actually get stuck on the stem and prevent it from being separated without using pliers.
...
Things I would change:
1) Glue the insert in as it is able to come out during use, which make it a pain and slows the process down greatly.

This wasn't really an issue for me but I was concerned about it. The reason I didn't glue them in is because of the idea to repurpose them as "artisans". Adding some water to the hole in the handle to swell the wood fibers was sufficient during my tests. A drop of super glue would be more permanent but could still be released with heat. This would damage/char the handle though most likely.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #132 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 14:46:04 »
I suppose by side you mean left/right? This would suggest that the cutting faces are not parallel. If I had to guess I'd say this is due to the lack of rigidity in my milling setup (and my inexperience).

Yes that is what I was saying, it isn't a major issue, just a noted issue that can/will happen and you will have a hard time avoiding unless you use a CNC or have a perfect mill and hand control.

EDIT: Even a small amount of deflection would be enough to cause a noticeable difference. Maybe take a smaller depth of cut on the final pass? Not sure if you are using a smaller tool or an exact size tool and doing a single pass. I would recommend multiple passes with a smaller tool if you aren't already doing so, I suspect you are as it is the correct technique, but in case you aren't, please do :).

This wasn't really an issue for me but I was concerned about it. The reason I didn't glue them in is because of the idea to repurpose them as "artisans". Adding some water to the hole in the handle to swell the wood fibers was sufficient during my tests. A drop of super glue would be more permanent but could still be released with heat. This would damage/char the handle though most likely.

It is mainly an issue with the nexus sliders as the stemshaver seems to have a harder time cutting. This is probably due to my design as the leading edge of the bump is chamfered and filleted so it may actually be deforming and cramming itself into the tool. Not sure if BOX switches have the issue as I already glued it in before I moved on to them, as I tested nexus first and it was an annoying issue. Can be easily solved by the end user but honestly I don't know if the aritsan idea would actually be used or worth keeping as a feature.
« Last Edit: Sun, 16 December 2018, 14:50:49 by BlindAssassin111 »

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #133 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 16:02:17 »
Maybe a glued/non-glued decision from purchasers would be appropriate? Personally, I'll go for glued, because first and foremost it's a tool for me, and I have a LOT of them to shave.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #134 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 16:07:54 »
Maybe a glued/non-glued decision from purchasers would be appropriate? Personally, I'll go for glued, because first and foremost it's a tool for me, and I have a LOT of them to shave.
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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #135 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 17:34:53 »
Maybe a glued/non-glued decision from purchasers would be appropriate? Personally, I'll go for glued, because first and foremost it's a tool for me, and I have a LOT of them to shave.

Same here I see it as a tool not art. As a tool it should be easy and comfortable to use. Please don't make it so that we need to hack it to use it.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #136 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 18:29:33 »
Mine is working great so far! Shaved over 100.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #137 on: Sun, 16 December 2018, 19:22:29 »
interested as i need to shave 200 box royale :P

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #138 on: Tue, 18 December 2018, 17:00:39 »
So, my Stemshavers arrived on Friday and I have had enough time to test them out. Below is an album of to show my testing. Be sure to embiggen the pictures for a better view.
https://imgur.com/a/iEZoM9e

Top row is unshaved, bottom row has been shaved. I'm sure the pictures highlight my findings.

After shaving each stem, I found it much easier to remove keycaps. When comparing to unshaved stems, the shaved stems are significantly improved.

I used some extra crappy, cheap DSA caps, which pretty much crack on anything they come in contact with. That includes Zealios and Cherry MX switches. Though, when used on the unshaved MX Clear, was so tight it wouldn't come off and then also had no signs of stress marks or cracks. At the end of the album is a comparison between the two.

Personally, I recommend getting the wooden handle one as it makes the process so much easier. Especially as you can see that my handle free one got stuck, in some sort of Excalibur situation.

When shaving you do have to shave twice, from the opposite angle. As in, if you shave  from the top, you will need to shave from the bottom to hit both sides of the stem.

I used an art knife to shave off the unwanted excess plastic. This helps when you put keycaps back on so they sit properly.

I will be buying a stack with handles as these work and ultimately do exactly what I need.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #139 on: Tue, 18 December 2018, 17:42:35 »
So, my Stemshavers arrived on Friday and I have had enough time to test them out. Below is an album of to show my testing. Be sure to embiggen the pictures for a better view.
https://imgur.com/a/iEZoM9e

Top row is unshaved, bottom row has been shaved. I'm sure the pictures highlight my findings.

After shaving each stem, I found it much easier to remove keycaps. When comparing to unshaved stems, the shaved stems are significantly improved.

I used some extra crappy, cheap DSA caps, which pretty much crack on anything they come in contact with. That includes Zealios and Cherry MX switches. Though, when used on the unshaved MX Clear, was so tight it wouldn't come off and then also had no signs of stress marks or cracks. At the end of the album is a comparison between the two.

Personally, I recommend getting the wooden handle one as it makes the process so much easier. Especially as you can see that my handle free one got stuck, in some sort of Excalibur situation.

When shaving you do have to shave twice, from the opposite angle. As in, if you shave  from the top, you will need to shave from the bottom to hit both sides of the stem.

I used an art knife to shave off the unwanted excess plastic. This helps when you put keycaps back on so they sit properly.

I will be buying a stack with handles as these work and ultimately do exactly what I need.

Thank you for the detailed review with pics!

Have you considered lube on the shaver so it is easier to push in and pull out?

Did you notice any shaved bits building up inside the shaver?  If so how did you get it cleaned out?

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #140 on: Tue, 18 December 2018, 17:50:49 »
So, my Stemshavers arrived on Friday and I have had enough time to test them out. Below is an album of to show my testing. Be sure to embiggen the pictures for a better view.
https://imgur.com/a/iEZoM9e

Top row is unshaved, bottom row has been shaved. I'm sure the pictures highlight my findings.

After shaving each stem, I found it much easier to remove keycaps. When comparing to unshaved stems, the shaved stems are significantly improved.

I used some extra crappy, cheap DSA caps, which pretty much crack on anything they come in contact with. That includes Zealios and Cherry MX switches. Though, when used on the unshaved MX Clear, was so tight it wouldn't come off and then also had no signs of stress marks or cracks. At the end of the album is a comparison between the two.

Personally, I recommend getting the wooden handle one as it makes the process so much easier. Especially as you can see that my handle free one got stuck, in some sort of Excalibur situation.

When shaving you do have to shave twice, from the opposite angle. As in, if you shave  from the top, you will need to shave from the bottom to hit both sides of the stem.

I used an art knife to shave off the unwanted excess plastic. This helps when you put keycaps back on so they sit properly.

I will be buying a stack with handles as these work and ultimately do exactly what I need.

Thank you for the detailed review with pics!

Have you considered lube on the shaver so it is easier to push in and pull out?

Did you notice any shaved bits building up inside the shaver?  If so how did you get it cleaned out?

Lube could help with the process. With the handle I haven't had any issues though.

The way the stems are shaved, all the build up sticks to the stem, hence needing the knife to cut the excess plastic off. You can just blow the lightweight plastic out of the Stemshaver if need be.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #141 on: Tue, 18 December 2018, 18:17:51 »
I vote that the GB be renamed "Stem S(h)aver"



I did not read the full thread so please forgive me if someone else has already said this...

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #142 on: Tue, 18 December 2018, 20:37:49 »
I have a lot of box switches that are due for a nice clean fresh shave....

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #143 on: Tue, 18 December 2018, 22:17:52 »
God around to using mine, and while it does require some definite force (which is to be expected) it definitely works! I did not have any issues with the wood, but just to be sure I think glueing should be default, with the option to get it without glue for artisans if you want. A dot/mark on the north side for quick orientating would be nice too. But those are all superfluous additions, even as is it works great!

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #144 on: Wed, 19 December 2018, 02:41:43 »
Are these being sold already?


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« Reply #145 on: Wed, 19 December 2018, 08:43:28 »
Are these being sold already?


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Nope. Early testers are reporting results. Sounds like there are just a couple of tweaks that could make this tool perfect! I'm really looking forward to ordering mine.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #146 on: Wed, 19 December 2018, 12:41:45 »
Is there a scheduled date for GB launch yet?

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #147 on: Wed, 19 December 2018, 18:08:27 »
I suppose by side you mean left/right? This would suggest that the cutting faces are not parallel. If I had to guess I'd say this is due to the lack of rigidity in my milling setup (and my inexperience).

Yes that is what I was saying, it isn't a major issue, just a noted issue that can/will happen and you will have a hard time avoiding unless you use a CNC or have a perfect mill and hand control.

EDIT: Even a small amount of deflection would be enough to cause a noticeable difference. Maybe take a smaller depth of cut on the final pass? Not sure if you are using a smaller tool or an exact size tool and doing a single pass. I would recommend multiple passes with a smaller tool if you aren't already doing so, I suspect you are as it is the correct technique, but in case you aren't, please do :).

This wasn't really an issue for me but I was concerned about it. The reason I didn't glue them in is because of the idea to repurpose them as "artisans". Adding some water to the hole in the handle to swell the wood fibers was sufficient during my tests. A drop of super glue would be more permanent but could still be released with heat. This would damage/char the handle though most likely.

It is mainly an issue with the nexus sliders as the stemshaver seems to have a harder time cutting. This is probably due to my design as the leading edge of the bump is chamfered and filleted so it may actually be deforming and cramming itself into the tool. Not sure if BOX switches have the issue as I already glued it in before I moved on to them, as I tested nexus first and it was an annoying issue. Can be easily solved by the end user but honestly I don't know if the aritsan idea would actually be used or worth keeping as a feature.
The BOX switch stems are also chamfered, that's why I changed the design to a closed slot for the x-axis.
I'll probably omit the artisan idea and keep it for another GB, maybe.


Is there a scheduled date for GB launch yet?
No.


So, my Stemshavers arrived on Friday and I have had enough time to test them out. Below is an album of to show my testing. Be sure to embiggen the pictures for a better view.
https://imgur.com/a/iEZoM9e

Top row is unshaved, bottom row has been shaved. I'm sure the pictures highlight my findings.

After shaving each stem, I found it much easier to remove keycaps. When comparing to unshaved stems, the shaved stems are significantly improved.

I used some extra crappy, cheap DSA caps, which pretty much crack on anything they come in contact with. That includes Zealios and Cherry MX switches. Though, when used on the unshaved MX Clear, was so tight it wouldn't come off and then also had no signs of stress marks or cracks. At the end of the album is a comparison between the two.

Personally, I recommend getting the wooden handle one as it makes the process so much easier. Especially as you can see that my handle free one got stuck, in some sort of Excalibur situation.

When shaving you do have to shave twice, from the opposite angle. As in, if you shave  from the top, you will need to shave from the bottom to hit both sides of the stem.

I used an art knife to shave off the unwanted excess plastic. This helps when you put keycaps back on so they sit properly.

I will be buying a stack with handles as these work and ultimately do exactly what I need.
Are you describing the same situation as BlindAssassin111 above (shaving twice)?
Looking through your pictures, the amount shaved off does seem to be a bit excessive. In which orientation are you using the stemshaver? The open slot should be facing north/south.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 18:23:06 »
So, my Stemshavers arrived on Friday and I have had enough time to test them out. Below is an album of to show my testing. Be sure to embiggen the pictures for a better view.
https://imgur.com/a/iEZoM9e

Top row is unshaved, bottom row has been shaved. I'm sure the pictures highlight my findings.

After shaving each stem, I found it much easier to remove keycaps. When comparing to unshaved stems, the shaved stems are significantly improved.

I used some extra crappy, cheap DSA caps, which pretty much crack on anything they come in contact with. That includes Zealios and Cherry MX switches. Though, when used on the unshaved MX Clear, was so tight it wouldn't come off and then also had no signs of stress marks or cracks. At the end of the album is a comparison between the two.

Personally, I recommend getting the wooden handle one as it makes the process so much easier. Especially as you can see that my handle free one got stuck, in some sort of Excalibur situation.

When shaving you do have to shave twice, from the opposite angle. As in, if you shave  from the top, you will need to shave from the bottom to hit both sides of the stem.

I used an art knife to shave off the unwanted excess plastic. This helps when you put keycaps back on so they sit properly.

I will be buying a stack with handles as these work and ultimately do exactly what I need.
Are you describing the same situation as BlindAssassin111 above (shaving twice)?
Looking through your pictures, the amount shaved off does seem to be a bit excessive. In which orientation are you using the stemshaver? The open slot should be facing north/south.
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Yeah same situation. When shaving, initially I tested it by pressing down from the top, this left some sides unshaved. I found it easier to shave the stems applying force from the bottom, then top, to shave both stems.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #149 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 14:35:57 »
Any updates op? I'd be willing to purchase the stemshaver with the current "flaws". I have flaws in quotations because I don't necessarily see the current issues with the review samples as flaws, just minor inconveniences if anything.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #150 on: Wed, 09 January 2019, 16:43:49 »
Any updates? Thanks

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 00:07:02 »
+1 for getting one even considering any minor issues. Really itching to fix some of my switches

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #152 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 16:08:43 »
Any updates?

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #153 on: Thu, 17 January 2019, 21:42:50 »
Registering very late interest.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #154 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 09:33:00 »
Has this died?

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« Reply #155 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 21:26:06 »
Has this died?
Death by a thousand stem shavings.

I hope it's just bring perfected and still going forward.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #156 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 14:53:57 »
Has this died?

Not dead yet, just put a bit on the backburner over the holidays.
There will be an update soonish.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #157 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 18:51:16 »
Has this died?

Not dead yet, just put a bit on the backburner over the holidays.
There will be an update soonish.

Looking forward to the update. My Mitolet set has been waiting to be used safely <3
Looking forward to Sanctuary Rebirth, GMK Wavez, and the next paycheck.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #158 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 21:28:04 »
Has this died?

Not dead yet, just put a bit on the backburner over the holidays.
There will be an update soonish.

Looking forward to the update. My Mitolet set has been waiting to be used safely <3

same. been waiting for this to put box royals in my purple ares... if anyone has one of the prototype shavers pls contact me!

Offline Kavik

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #159 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 19:49:48 »
Has this died?

Not dead yet, just put a bit on the backburner over the holidays.
There will be an update soonish.

Looking forward to the update. My Mitolet set has been waiting to be used safely <3

same. been waiting for this to put box royals in my purple ares... if anyone has one of the prototype shavers pls contact me!

An IC for a competing product is now on Reddit and Keebtalk. Looks like a race to GB now.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #160 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 13:26:16 »
An IC for a competing product is now on Reddit and Keebtalk. Looks like a race to GB now.
The demand is high. I can't wait to actually put keycaps on my BOX blacks again.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #161 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 18:02:00 »
Has this died?

Not dead yet, just put a bit on the backburner over the holidays.
There will be an update soonish.

Looking forward to the update. My Mitolet set has been waiting to be used safely <3

same. been waiting for this to put box royals in my purple ares... if anyone has one of the prototype shavers pls contact me!

An IC for a competing product is now on Reddit and Keebtalk. Looks like a race to GB now.

Can you link or PM me the reddit post?
Looking forward to Sanctuary Rebirth, GMK Wavez, and the next paycheck.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #162 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:24:47 »
Has this died?

Not dead yet, just put a bit on the backburner over the holidays.
There will be an update soonish.

Looking forward to the update. My Mitolet set has been waiting to be used safely <3

same. been waiting for this to put box royals in my purple ares... if anyone has one of the prototype shavers pls contact me!

An IC for a competing product is now on Reddit and Keebtalk. Looks like a race to GB now.

Can you link or PM me the reddit post?


Would like to get the link as well.

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #163 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 12:42:37 »

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #164 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 14:32:09 »
Definitely interested in this

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Re: [IC] Stemshaver - a tool to fix BOX switches
« Reply #165 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 17:46:15 »
Definitely interested in a tool like this or the other fellow's. Some healthy competition does not hurt for a solution that allows the use of the nice box switches. Thank you.