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Hello, friends of Geekhack,

We are excited to start the Group buy for G60. G60 is a retro-style USB/Bluetooth Dual Mode Keyboard designed by Scott from the Basic I/O Instruments (BIOI). After obtaining feedback from the GH community in a previous IC, a successful trial run private GB, and a recent interest check, Scott has optimized many fine details, and we believe G60 warrants a full run at GH.












G60's key features are as follows.

1. The design is inspired by Cherry G80-3000 Series, the size is cut down to 60%.
2. Aluminum 6061
3. A variety of colors and premium color options available
4. Top-bottom case design
5. Compatible with both Top Mount and standard GH60 style tray mount
6. Compatible with most PCBs based on GH60 (via an included FPC extension kit)
7. High-performance QMK-based Bluetooth/USB Dual Mode PCB designed by BIOI
8. Compatible with both USB-C and USB-Mini
9. Multiple layouts compatibility
10. Optional plate material (PC, CF, Brass) and optional 4mm thick plates with perfect switch cutouts (alu, brass)
11. Internal brass weight to fill the battery slot if you don't like wireless
12. Designed by Scott from BIOI
13. Manufactured by ALF

Color Options




Layouts



Price

Base Kit (Case, 1.5mm anodized aluminum plate, and a dual-mode PCB):$298
Dual Mode PCB: No need Dual Mode PCB: -$42; Extra Dual Mode PCB: +$42
Premium Colorways: +$36
Plate Upgrade: Carbon Fiber:+$9; 4mm Aluminum Plate: +58; 4mm Brass Plate: +$78
Extra Plate: Extra Aluminum/PC Plate: +$20; Extra Carbon Fiber:+$28; Extra 4mm Aluminum Plate: +$78; Extra 4mm Brass Plate: +$98
Internal Brass Weight: +$38

the pricing excludes 5% payment fee and shipping via SF Express

Detailed options in the Google form.

Projected Timeline:
Group Buy: Jan 2 - Jan 31, 2019
Fulfillment: 4-5 months after GB payment collection
Shipping: Via SF Express.
Payment collection and shipping will be directly handled by Scott from BIOI.

Please kindly fill out the Group Buy Form: Click to Fill Out the G60 Group Buy Form

Forms submitted before pst 11:59pm Jan 7 will receive an automatic $10 discount.


Get instantly updated in G60's discord channel:
https://discordapp.com/channels/470454563799826453/489587683744677899/532287752629125120


Orders can be check here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Uc5DbftFkrow9kMdV-zjaNAkoEjvyF4uyKX8Gzlz8g/edit?usp=sharing


« Last Edit: Sat, 12 January 2019, 02:53:03 by scottwei »

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:27:17 »
approved.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:43:23 »
Yessssss so excited for this. In for NCR Gray.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:45:12 »
in for NCR HHKB blockers :) nice work!

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:47:33 »
Yessssss so excited for this. In for NCR Gray.

HYPE  :eek:

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:50:18 »
Glad the GB is running so long - are there limited slots or can I wait a couple of weeks?

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:58:33 »
Hi there,

How will the Pearl White finish be applied? Good luck with the GB.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 13:08:43 »
Beautiful board! Good luck with the group buy.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 13:30:57 »
In!

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 15:01:34 »
Oooohhhh I'm definitely in! Since you seem to take an interest in applying old cherry style to new boards, what do you think about making a tkl version like this one?

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 15:35:06 »
How much does it weight ? If don't have and have Brass Weight?

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 15:48:44 »
In for NCR Grey/White and a whole bunch of extras. Beyond stoked.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 18:44:49 »
Forms submitted before pst 11:59pm Jan 7 will receive an automatic $10 discount!
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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 19:18:56 »
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 19:36:22 »
It has arrived!!!

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 19:37:22 »
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

(Attachment Link)

sorry for the newb question, but what are the advantages of the thick plate?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 20:36:39 »
I would also like to know about how the premium colors are applied. Is the white powder coated or is it electrophoresis?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 23:14:13 »
I would also like to know about how the premium colors are applied. Is the white powder coated or is it electrophoresis?

Only pearl white is using a proprietary technology with silky smooth surface, other colors are all anodization. The special colorways are new colors Scott ordered.
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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 04 January 2019, 23:44:35 »
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

(Attachment Link)

sorry for the newb question, but what are the advantages of the thick plate?

Its T H I C C :p

Depends what you like to type on. If its stiff, a little flex, sound etc.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 02:07:59 »
Awesome to have the GB started.  :thumb:
The 4mm plate looks solid and promising.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 02:21:59 »
Is it possible to order one that is fully assembled?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 03:48:25 »
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 03:54:44 »
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

(Attachment Link)

sorry for the newb question, but what are the advantages of the thick plate?

Heavier and stiffer, if that's what you want.
I believe it'd be the opposite of a half-plate or a carbon-fiber one.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #23 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 08:28:40 »
what weight are we looking at if we get the thick plate and the internal brass weight :O

board looks nice af

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #24 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 09:21:03 »
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 11:12:13 »
That looks awesome, and I have a bunch of questions.

  • Can you post supported layouts? Split space?
  • Are the layouts the same for all plate options?
  • Can you post a picture of the battery compartment? Does it interfere with the brass weight option?
  • Does the pcb support in-switch LEDs? Do you have pics or renders of the PCB for that matter?

Thank you!
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 11:40:40 »
That looks awesome, and I have a bunch of questions.

  • Can you post supported layouts? Split space?
  • Are the layouts the same for all plate options?
  • Can you post a picture of the battery compartment? Does it interfere with the brass weight option?
  • Does the pcb support in-switch LEDs? Do you have pics or renders of the PCB for that matter?

Thank you!

Layouts answered in a previous thread which is already linked

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97324.msg2683622#msg2683622

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 15:21:56 »
This does look damn sweet, will have to see if my financials are OK to join a bit later this month.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 15:41:29 »
That looks awesome, and I have a bunch of questions.

  • Can you post supported layouts? Split space?
  • Are the layouts the same for all plate options?
  • Can you post a picture of the battery compartment? Does it interfere with the brass weight option?
  • Does the pcb support in-switch LEDs? Do you have pics or renders of the PCB for that matter?

Thank you!

Layouts answered in a previous thread which is already linked

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97324.msg2683622#msg2683622

Pics from ALF`s discord:

Prototype PCB Support in switch LED, ( OP correct me if i am wrong )

210030-0

The top part of the bottom case has a small notch/inlay, i guess its meant for the weight or the battery. ( OP correct me if i am wrong )

210032-1

( To note this the prototype and the cut in the bottom case where you see a brass plate has been removed and there is no cut/open bottom case )
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #29 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:00:31 »
Isn't the cutout meant for BT reception?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #30 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:49:14 »
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #31 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 18:39:32 »
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

I'm thinking of joining this too.  If I do join, I have a powder-coated white Grid with flash and classic modules that I'd be looking to get rid of.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #32 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 20:35:34 »
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

I'm thinking of joining this too.  If I do join, I have a powder-coated white Grid with flash and classic modules that I'd be looking to get rid of.
Ooooo! Nice. Ill message you about that.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 05 January 2019, 23:09:17 »
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

Trust Scott like I do. Haha. He is a keyboard wizard.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 09:59:42 »
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.

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Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:01:57 »
Glad the GB is running so long - are there limited slots or can I wait a couple of weeks?

Thank you for considering G60! No limitations, You can take your time before the group buy ends

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #36 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:03:35 »
what weight are we looking at if we get the thick plate and the internal brass weight :O

board looks nice af

Near 2.5kg

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:06:40 »
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

Of course! We got both mini and type-c plugs

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #38 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:21:10 »
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:26:43 »
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

Pearl white will do, I think

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #40 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:37:36 »
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

Pearl white will do, I think

The pearl white has a yellowy tinge to it, right? Or will it look pure white in real life?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:49:51 »
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

Pearl white will do, I think

The pearl white has a yellowy tinge to it, right? Or will it look pure white in real life?

almost pure white

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:53:48 »
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

I feel either pearl white or silver will match well
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 11:09:46 »
What color plate are you guys doing who pick NCR color?
:)

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 12:28:34 »
I'm trying to determine which colour goes best with dev/tty and grey mods, any thoughts?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 12:52:34 »
For the tray mount, how do the screw holes look like? Brass standoffs? Preinstalled? Asking because I had big trouble with the recent Dasher D60. 

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 13:44:51 »
Hmmm... I may have to get one of these...

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #47 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 14:38:08 »
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

Of course! We got both mini and type-c plugs

Are these both included in the kit, or do we have to buy them separate?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #48 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 18:41:05 »
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

Of course! We got both mini and type-c plugs

Are these both included in the kit, or do we have to buy them separate?

both included

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #49 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 19:22:29 »
I'm trying to determine which colour goes best with dev/tty and grey mods, any thoughts?

White.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #50 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 20:22:30 »
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.
I'd also like to know the answer.

Seems like the mounting is in the edges, unlike the standard poker / universal plate.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 06 January 2019, 20:32:09 »
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.
I'd also like to know the answer.

Seems like the mounting is in the edges, unlike the standard poker / universal plate.

It's both top mount and tray mount gh60 compat

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #52 on: Mon, 07 January 2019, 08:28:36 »
Is there any way to edit my order?

I thought about it a bit... and I can't ignore that 4mm brass plate any longer.... Holy moly.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 07 January 2019, 09:27:23 »
Is there any way to edit my order?

I thought about it a bit... and I can't ignore that 4mm brass plate any longer.... Holy moly.

contact me directly, ALF's discord channel is recommended. https://discordapp.com/channels/470454563799826453/489587683744677899

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[GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 07 January 2019, 16:41:06 »
The green hue looks a bit different in the renders between the two different bottom case colors

is this intentional??

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 07 January 2019, 19:50:23 »
The green hue looks a bit different in the renders between the two different bottom case colors

is this intentional??

Hmm, maybe because of color contrast? They should be the same color
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 10:32:33 »
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #57 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 14:54:16 »
I'm new to group buys, how does the plate color effect a brass plate? And would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #58 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 15:21:47 »
would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

Most standard 60% PCBs should support the available layouts of the top mount plates being offered but you should make sure for yourself.  Alternatively, you should be able to bring your own tray mount plate since the case will have standard tray mount standoffs. You would just want to indicate in your order form that you don't want the included PCB or plate to save a bit of cash. For what it's worth I thought about this myself but the price of included PCB is extremely reasonable considering all of the features packed into it. Heck, even if I don't decide to use the included PCB in this case I have some ideas about using it in a more portable configuration :)

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #59 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 19:18:53 »
would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

Most standard 60% PCBs should support the available layouts of the top mount plates being offered but you should make sure for yourself.  Alternatively, you should be able to bring your own tray mount plate since the case will have standard tray mount standoffs. You would just want to indicate in your order form that you don't want the included PCB or plate to save a bit of cash. For what it's worth I thought about this myself but the price of included PCB is extremely reasonable considering all of the features packed into it. Heck, even if I don't decide to use the included PCB in this case I have some ideas about using it in a more portable configuration :)

I was thinking of using a hotswap pcb so i could try several switches in it

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 08 January 2019, 23:19:18 »
would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

Most standard 60% PCBs should support the available layouts of the top mount plates being offered but you should make sure for yourself.  Alternatively, you should be able to bring your own tray mount plate since the case will have standard tray mount standoffs. You would just want to indicate in your order form that you don't want the included PCB or plate to save a bit of cash. For what it's worth I thought about this myself but the price of included PCB is extremely reasonable considering all of the features packed into it. Heck, even if I don't decide to use the included PCB in this case I have some ideas about using it in a more portable configuration :)

I was thinking of using a hotswap pcb so i could try several switches in it

Yeah you can actually minus the PCB and save 42 bucks I believe
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 09 January 2019, 04:53:39 »
Great design. I love it~~~

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 09 January 2019, 19:18:37 »
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

I have the same question.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 09 January 2019, 20:24:42 »
What exactly does dual mode mean? Sorry for being a noob

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 09 January 2019, 20:25:55 »
What exactly does dual mode mean? Sorry for being a noob

it means the PCB can operate in normal USB cable mode, or, when a switch is flipped, in Bluetooth mode.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #65 on: Wed, 09 January 2019, 20:32:51 »
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

How long to we have to pay the invoice?

I have the same question.


January 31st, I believe.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #66 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 00:06:46 »
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

I have the same question.

End of GB I think
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 11:16:20 »
What exactly does dual mode mean? Sorry for being a noob

It's a bluetooth-low-energy keyboard PCB running with QMK firmware, when you connected with the USB cable, it will working as a USB keyboard automatically and start charging the battery, once the USB cable unpluged, it will working as a bluetooth keyboard with paired computer.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 17:46:07 »
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #69 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 18:19:45 »
I would like to echo the above post. I made a more detailed post of my recent experience here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96616.350

Frankly resolving peoples incorrect orders from 2 months ago doesnt seem to be a priority for Alf.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #70 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 20:49:25 »
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

I would have to agree that it's pretty worrisome how many GBs are open under ALF's name, and how many of them haven't quite finished.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #71 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 21:02:07 »
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

I would have to agree that it's pretty worrisome how many GBs are open under ALF's name, and how many of them haven't quite finished.

i belive it's currently eight

G60, dolch cr65, chicory40, dc60, doro67, unigo66, alf x3, x1.1,  alf x2

though they're all at different stages

either way, a lot more than the GH mandate of two
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #72 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 21:31:07 »
It's honestly making me hesitant to get in on this when I was hyped at the announcement.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #73 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 21:50:59 »
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

I would have to agree that it's pretty worrisome how many GBs are open under ALF's name, and how many of them haven't quite finished.

i belive it's currently eight

G60, dolch cr65, chicory40, dc60, doro67, unigo66, alf x3, x1.1,  alf x2

though they're all at different stages

either way, a lot more than the GH mandate of two


G60 and Dolch.CR are the new ones.
Alf X3 is handled by Zfrontier (if I recall correctly), ALF fulfilled to ZF long ago.
ALF X2 were fulfilled long time ago. Don't think there is a GH or discord GB.
ALF X1.1 was a private GB in discord, currently fulfilling
Unigo66 is in fulfillment stage (ahead of schedule)
Doro67 all done, waiting for 80ultraman's QC, packing and shipping
DC60, from the official post, 99% were shipped. Some messed up during shipping process and were re-made
Chicory is a manufacturing job, on track.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #74 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 22:33:06 »
DC60, from the official post, 99% were shipped. "Some" messed up during shipping process and were re-made
First actual shipments went out early november. Some people waited all the way up til mid December for a tracking number only to learn they were never shipped in the first place.

Out of the 110* invoices https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18WDKyw1cqU31tMR_SISaj35k46t56iRoiCByd32u5yE/edit#gid=0

Over 30 KNOWN people joined the discord customer service created by Louis to resolve large issues with their orders. Not everyone uses discord and not everyone wants to deal with their orders publicly so that 30 could be a conservative number for all we know. So frankly the "99% shipped" is not exactly accurate (to be fair it hasnt been updated, but to be updated information needs to be communicated)

Not to mention one of the finishes "grey/greenish" was changed without ANYONES knowledge to Titanium grey.

And to address the need for time to re-manufacture.  He initially stated that he WOULDN'T remake the cases. Prompting people to either settle for replacements in different colours, Bstock cases or get refunds. Then without announcement decides to remake the missing cases sometime in mid Dec.

Ontop of that anyone who settled for left overs as replacements still had to wait for re manufacturing to conclude before Alf decided to ship. Again without informing anyone involved.

You are going to have a hard time justifying how the DC60 group buy went. I check the GH thread, Alf Discord, Private DC60 customer service discord several times a day and chat with Louis regularly. Have done since day 1. I know this buy backwards.

Frankly the ONLY reason I didnt just charge back my PayPal is because Louis who has consistently done his best to help is who's paypal we sent money too. So I would be putting Louis in a bad position by charging back the transaction.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #75 on: Thu, 10 January 2019, 22:55:19 »
Hi, All. I’m not going to defend ALF because G60’s prototype was also delayed for 2 months. Now I going to share something about ALF. The ALF is not quite a precisely operated commercial company, it started by their deep affection for keyboards. They invested money, buying CNC machines and place to manufacture keyboards for the community. Most of them are manufacturing background, so making things is their advantage, and it makes lacking of management and operation their weakness. They do ran into an unfavorable condition because of mismanagement. As what I known, that’s the cause of delay of X1.1 and DC60. Of cause, they’re trying their best to fix these problems.

Speaking of the other running projects like the DCR by Cary, the G60 by me and etc., ALF acts more like an OEM. Take Cary and me for example, of cause we do love keyboards, but we’re not making a living by them. We both have a full time job, Keyboards are our hobby, we discussing, designing, building and making keyboards in our spare time. If our works are loved by the community, we would like to share them through ALF’s manufacturing, and I think this is what the so-call “Group Buy” really is. These “Group Buy” are responsible by its own authors, for the G60 by me, I’m designing, programming, dealing with order forms and sending invoices all by myself. What I have to say is, I cannot guarantee for any unpredictable situations like technical and productive issues, but I do will try my best to avoid and fix them, letting people get their keyboards as soon as possible. This means I really cannot guarantee for the possibility of delay, but it do will not be an unlimited delay. Thank you all for supporting G60 and hoping you can understand. If you want to quit the “Group Buy”, it is totally acceptable before the due date, I’ll refund with no question asked.
« Last Edit: Fri, 11 January 2019, 04:20:49 by scottwei »

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 03:05:08 »
Hi Gents and Ladies,

Regarding the concerns above, I have followed the development of the G60.
The designer Scott have done a great work so far on the GB and the dev process.
I personally have invested in this GB and i have no doubt Scott will do a awesome job delivering the G60.

Mentioning quick here what the concerns is about. I have a DC60 myself bought from Louis as he have been working hard to help resolve the DC60 delay issues.
It seems ALF studios have been resolving and have communication about it. 

As with all group buys there can be delays as its a custom manufactured product.

So please refer to the proper channels for the concerns, both on the discord channel opened up for the issues on the DC60 and here on GH in the DC60 thread.

I look very forward to the G60 and if there should be delays as they can occur with ALL group buys.. Scott is very forward and honest as you can read his post above.

To quote Photoelectric "As a general reminder to prospective participants "Caveat Emptor."
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 07:41:41 »
worst case (as with all group buys) is that we all die before it gets delivered. I have a feeling that won't happen with this one.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 08:15:47 »
That's some serious perspective :D

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 11:00:49 »
worst case (as with all group buys) is that we all die before it gets delivered. I have a feeling that won't happen with this one.

Damn then.. its time to start cut down on the plastic... really want my G60 :p
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 13:24:43 »
Can a photo of the plate layout/prototype be posted?

I ordered an ANSI, but my assumptions may be wrong on what the ANSI plate looks like. There is a difference between 60% ANSI and Universal. Personally I need more of a universal layout to have the 5 bottom right keys be 1U keys, along with a 1.75U Shift. Thanks.

I attached my current layout, which I hope works with the plate.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 15:07:40 »
Can a photo of the plate layout/prototype be posted?

I ordered an ANSI, but my assumptions may be wrong on what the ANSI plate looks like. There is a difference between 60% ANSI and Universal. Personally I need more of a universal layout to have the 5 bottom right keys be 1U keys, along with a 1.75U Shift. Thanks.

I attached my current layout, which I hope works with the plate.

Check the plates layouts here :)

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #82 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 17:03:11 »

Check the plates layouts here :)


That's helpful, thanks.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 11 January 2019, 23:06:09 »

Check the plates layouts here :)


That's helpful, thanks.

Sorry I didn't post the layouts to the main post. as you can see the picture above, only 4mm plates are divided into ANSI and ISO layout.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 12 January 2019, 01:56:38 »
Awesome! I'm in!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 12 January 2019, 15:03:13 »
Any idea how SF Express packages are delivered to Europe? Regular post or some B2C delivery?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 12 January 2019, 16:08:12 »
I haven't seen any mention of the battery.
  • What kind of battery do we need?
  • Anyone have a link to decent ones?
  • Can we use the battery from an Anne Pro?
  • Does the battery only fit in the spot used with the brass plate?
  • Does the battery still fit if used with a tray mount?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 12 January 2019, 16:28:43 »
If I install a DZ60 PCB could I split spacebar this setup?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 12 January 2019, 17:49:29 »
If I install a DZ60 PCB could I split spacebar this setup?

You could if you don't mind just using the tray mount.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #89 on: Sat, 12 January 2019, 19:45:42 »
Any idea how SF Express packages are delivered to Europe? Regular post or some B2C delivery?

I'd like to know too as postage and import fees can vary wildly depending on the delivery operator.
I'm still scratching my head to calculate how much it would cost to get one and getting delivered in Europe.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 09:12:14 »
If I install a DZ60 PCB could I split spacebar this setup?

Use a DZ60 is okay, but all stock plates in this set are not supporting split spacebar layouts, you have to use others universal 60% plate that supports split spacebar layouts. and as what Pwner said above, you have to use the tray mount. anyway, the plate drawing will release after the group buy, you can make your own plate then.
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 10:28:00 »
Is the usb/bluetooth switch done by qmk or in hardware? Currently struggling with this on my prototype.

Thanks!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 19:55:50 »
Is the usb/bluetooth switch done by qmk or in hardware? Currently struggling with this on my prototype.

Thanks!

It's done by QMK, or exactly speaking LUFA

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 21:08:19 »
Hey Scott. Can you please answer my questions about the battery? It's just a few posts above

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 13 January 2019, 23:00:11 »
Hey Scott. Can you please answer my questions about the battery? It's just a few posts above

Oh, Deeply sorry for missed that.

Q: What kind of battery do we need?
A:It needs 3.7v Li-Po Battery with PH2.0 Plug

Q:Anyone have a link to decent ones?
A:FYI:https://www.amazon.com/YDL-1200mAh-battery-Rechargeable-Connector/dp/B07BTH6YTM/ref=sr_1_35_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1547441086&sr=8-35-spons&keywords=3.7v+lipolymer+battery&psc=1
Size Limitation: Long< 150mm, Width:<40mm, Height<6.5mm Do please protect the battery from the switches' pins while installed

Q:Can we use the battery from an Anne Pro?
A:Sorry, I don't know what kind of battery Anne Pro used.

Q:Does the battery only fit in the spot used with the brass plate?
A:Yes, otherwise you won't find any other better place for the battery, the battery might be spiked by the switches' pins if you put it under the PCB, that will be very dangerous.

Q:Does the battery still fit if used with a tray mount?
A:Yes, Mounting style is not affecting the using of the battery.


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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #95 on: Mon, 14 January 2019, 10:38:02 »
Hey Scott. Can you please answer my questions about the battery? It's just a few posts above

Oh, Deeply sorry for missed that.

Q: What kind of battery do we need?
A:It needs 3.7v Li-Po Battery with PH2.0 Plug

Q:Anyone have a link to decent ones?
A:FYI:https://www.amazon.com/YDL-1200mAh-battery-Rechargeable-Connector/dp/B07BTH6YTM/ref=sr_1_35_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1547441086&sr=8-35-spons&keywords=3.7v+lipolymer+battery&psc=1
Size Limitation: Long< 150mm, Width:<40mm, Height<6.5mm Do please protect the battery from the switches' pins while installed

Q:Can we use the battery from an Anne Pro?
A:Sorry, I don't know what kind of battery Anne Pro used.

Q:Does the battery only fit in the spot used with the brass plate?
A:Yes, otherwise you won't find any other better place for the battery, the battery might be spiked by the switches' pins if you put it under the PCB, that will be very dangerous.

Q:Does the battery still fit if used with a tray mount?
A:Yes, Mounting style is not affecting the using of the battery.

Just a note that pls do not ship with battery! It won’t be allowed or will get returned
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #96 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 19:03:09 »
Does the PCB support per-switch RGB?
Thanks.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #97 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 19:09:46 »
What's the Bluetooth range on this? I've heard that wireless signals don't travel through metal well.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 20:34:13 »
Does the PCB support per-switch RGB?
Thanks.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:21:08 »
What's the Bluetooth range on this? I've heard that wireless signals don't travel through metal well.

Yes, Radio signals can be blocked by metal and carbon fiber. To enhance the signal, I make a cutout on the plate over the Bluetooth antena, it's under the spacebar, so it can get better reception. Besides this, Bluetooth is easily interfered, it used 2.4Ghz band which also widely used by other radio technologies like WiFi ect.

I did a simple test, compare the G60 with 4mm aluminum plate, a wooden case CAD66_BLE, a naked YD60BLE and the Apple Magic Keyboard, all of the four keyboards are 5m away from my iMac, of course, there are mutiple WiFi signals around. the G60, CAD66_BLE and YD60BLE used the same MDBT40 Bluetooth module, so they should perform almost the same. You can see the images below, the number after "RSSI" stands for the signal strength, the closer to 0 the better signal it is.






As we can see above, the Apple Magic Keyboard (Named System Administrator's Keyboard #1) got the best perform, but the G60 and the wooden case CAD66_BLE is very close, not too worse than the YD60BLE which exposed directly to the air. At this distance, G60 can be used normally. Anyway, In most cases, you will still use your keyboards on desktop, the signal would be much better than this, but I still recommend that put the Bluetooth adapter or dongle as close to the keyboard as you can, don't forget the radio interference. Speaking of the Gaming performance, for myself, I still can feel the delay in Bluetooth mode compared with it is in the USB mode. So, plug the USB in if you want to win.
« Last Edit: Wed, 16 January 2019, 01:01:43 by scottwei »

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:31:43 »
Thanks for the indepth and thorough answers! It's very much appreciated! I'm definitely considering buying one!

Would you consider selling the Bluetooth PCB on its own?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #101 on: Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:52:40 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 00:58:51 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 02:12:32 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
But is the slot reserved for the battery off-center?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 03:06:52 »
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
But is the slot reserved for the battery off-center?

210737-0

the green area is the battery slot, the red area slot and cutout are canceled.  of course you can say it's off center, it's under the top bezel, not on the center of gravity. :thumb:

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 10:26:58 »
It looks like that has to be a fairly slim battery, especially if going with tray mount. Is that photo the end product, or are there plans to make a recess in the battery compartment or raise the standoffs for tray mount in height a bit?

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 16 January 2019, 11:25:10 »
It looks like that has to be a fairly slim battery, especially if going with tray mount. Is that photo the end product, or are there plans to make a recess in the battery compartment or raise the standoffs for tray mount in height a bit?

The photo is not the end product, the slot has enough room for battery that width under 41mm and thickness under 7mm, at this size, it got lots of choices on amazon with a capacity from 1000mah to 2000mah, they can keep G60 working for around 1 month. the slot can't goes any wider, the wider it goes, the thinner the case bottom is, and it's now reaching a limitation, and as I said on post above, no plan and not recommended to install battery under the PCB, the switches pins are very dangerous to a Li-Po battery.
« Last Edit: Wed, 16 January 2019, 11:26:51 by scottwei »

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #107 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 01:10:48 »
Thanks for the indepth and thorough answers! It's very much appreciated! I'm definitely considering buying one!

Would you consider selling the Bluetooth PCB on its own?

Maybe in the future? Not sure how much demand is there for just a blue tooth pcb :)
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #108 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 10:29:47 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.


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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #109 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 11:22:15 »
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.

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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:32:31 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:00:56 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?

I'm definitely considering Jamon.  I still hope Red Cadet gets made.  ;D

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 18 January 2019, 22:41:42 »
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?

I'm definitely considering Jamon.  I still hope Red Cadet gets made.  ;D

Not sure if I will get Jamon...I got red samurai and dont know what case to use with Jamon :(
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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #113 on: Sat, 19 January 2019, 09:57:32 »
It has arrived!!!

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Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:46:52 »
It has arrived!!!

yes and only about a week left to join!
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