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Offline scottwei

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Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

Offline laserbeamspewpew

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Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

What exactly is the situation?

Offline fer.real

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Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

What exactly is the situation?

TL;DR ALF Made some counterfeit boards, got caught and quit;

Full version:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/bj379j/newspls_be_cautious_to_trade_matrix_1012/
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/13742

There is also discussion on the ALF discord channel (now renamed KeyCommerce).

Offline laserbeamspewpew

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Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

What exactly is the situation?

TL;DR ALF Made some counterfeit boards, got caught and quit;

Full version:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/bj379j/newspls_be_cautious_to_trade_matrix_1012/
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/13742

There is also discussion on the ALF discord channel (now renamed KeyCommerce).

Maybe MatrixLabs can make the G60 =)

Offline regionfree

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i would like to withdraw from the GB. is it possible?

Offline laserbeamspewpew

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If manufacturing hasn't started, can I order an extra brass plate?

Offline iliketimex

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Based on the amount of drama related to Alf lately, please reply with a plan of action once things get sorted out, which is hopefully soon. For example, who is going to manufacture and a timeline. If a new manu is chosen, the whole prototyping stage has to occur again which is a huge delay. Sad.  :(

As an aside, really disappointing to have this happen - Alf is sitting on an order from 100 people and now the GB is in question.

Offline tanega

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Latest new by Scott on discord:

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ALF is still wiling to finish the G60, and he guarantee the manufacturing will start in 10 days. this is all up to us, if we're willing to change to a new factory, he will accept it.

Discord invite : https://discord.gg/aKEbPVX

Offline Lyle88

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Based on the amount of drama related to Alf lately, please reply with a plan of action once things get sorted out, which is hopefully soon. For example, who is going to manufacture and a timeline. If a new manu is chosen, the whole prototyping stage has to occur again which is a huge delay. Sad.  :(

As an aside, really disappointing to have this happen - Alf is sitting on an order from 100 people and now the GB is in question.
As long as scottwei is confident that ALF can still deliver a quality product, I'm happy to stick with them. Not particularly keen to go through more waiting

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Offline MajorKoos

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I'm all for sticking with ALF for manufacture too.
I don't see anyone complaining about the quality of the products they produce regardless of the lineage of the design.

Offline scottwei

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Hi, Everyone, G60 will continue to be manufatured by ALF. the delay might cause runing out of PayPal's 180 days buyer protection, I hope we can keep waiting until G60 is ready for ship. If this is not acceptable, I can give you a refund. Sorry but I can't process something like a re-invoice. Good luck with G60! :thumb:

Offline oldcat

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Hi, Everyone, G60 will continue to be manufatured by ALF. the delay might cause runing out of PayPal's 180 days buyer protection, I hope we can keep waiting until G60 is ready for ship. If this is not acceptable, I can give you a refund. Sorry but I can't process something like a re-invoice. Good luck with G60! :thumb:

Pls note that paypal’s new policy is that when refunds are issues, fees charged by PayPal are no longer refunded, not sure to seller or buyer, but either way this will need to be figured out.

Offline oldcat

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In case anyone is interested in reading the full PayPal policy update:

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full

Online anonymous

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Anyone who ordered black w/o blockers and wants to cancel?

Offline befbef

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Is it possible to cancel the order?
My preferences changed.
It has nothing to do with the ALF situation.
I have every confidence in Scott, he's doing great work and perfect communcation.

If cancellation isn't possible:
Anybody interested in a spot for a white hhkb with brass weight?

Offline scottwei

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Yeah, Please contact me if you would like to cancel your order.

Offline tanega

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Pls note that paypal’s new policy is that when refunds are issues, fees charged by PayPal are no longer refunded, not sure to seller or buyer, but either way this will need to be figured out.

The fees aren't refunded to the seller (no change for the buyer).

Online equalunique

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Since there is a delay in manufacturing, is it still possible to order a blue hhkb G60?

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Offline mike873

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I would also like to know.

Since there is a delay in manufacturing, is it still possible to order a blue hhkb G60?

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Offline Cods

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I’d also be interested in joining if possible!

Model M Industrial, SSK, Unicomp 104, Code TKL MX Green, FC660M MX Green + Clear + White + Grey, FC660C Topre 45g, MagicForce 68 USB and Bluetooth, Whitefox... wait, I think I need an intervention.
Too much SA is never enough.

Offline pan

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Hi, can we get an update on this GB? The link to the Discord chat no longer works.
Jeff

Tofu HHKB, Tealios, XDA Canvas

builds in progress:
G60 NCR Gray w/ White Bottom, Kailh Cream, GMK 9009 R2

Offline AjsKnox

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Hi, can we get an update on this GB? The link to the Discord chat no longer works.
https://discord.gg/dEvm7e

Offline tyson522

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Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!

Offline RETURNISO

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Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!

GB has concluded, they are in the manufacturing fase atm  :cool:

Offline lightsout714

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Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!
Me too these things are sick!

Offline andy74

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Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!

GB has concluded, they are in the manufacturing fase atm  :cool:

Any plans for a second round?

Online cronohack

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Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Offline anfledd

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I have not tried, but I have not heard anything either.

Offline RETURNISO

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Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Did you try write to him on Discord?

This should be the direct link to the discord server: https://discord.gg/TTcFDPM

Offline Lyle88

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Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Did you try write to him on Discord?

This should be the direct link to the discord server: https://discord.gg/TTcFDPM
My guess is he is quite busy. There have only been occasional updates in the discord channel. He did respond to my order for additional PCB quite quickly though

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Online cronohack

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Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Did you try write to him on Discord?

This should be the direct link to the discord server: https://discord.gg/TTcFDPM
My guess is he is quite busy. There have only been occasional updates in the discord channel. He did respond to my order for additional PCB quite quickly though

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I see, I'll try discord. It's my first time to join a GB and after paying the invoice I didn't get any response or updates on the order status in the g sheet. It's almost a week so I'm just a bit worried if this is normal. I guess he's pretty busy. Thanks!

Offline scottwei

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Sorry guys, I was too busy to update on this post and the spreadsheet for a while. Here's the general progress of G60:

CNC: In progress, about 75% of the work done. 30 more WKL top cases being remake due to a CNC programming mistake.
Coating: Not Started yet.
PCB: On SMT progress.
Plate: All non-matel plates done.

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
« Reply #282 on: Sun, 11 August 2019, 15:04:23 »
Any updates?

Offline KyleUK

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
« Reply #283 on: Mon, 12 August 2019, 03:11:53 »
Replying here as well on the situation with Alf. TLDR: He abandoned a live GB and left people without parts or boards, without any refunds. If you have any doubts get out of this GB as well.

So I'm not part of this group buy but I've only recently found out Alf is still manufacturing. I am part of the x1.1 group buy which is definitely not completed. People are still awaiting replacement parts and even someone who never received a board at all. After the drama about faking boards I assumed he wasn't manufacturing at all and I had to chalk this one up as a loss. But since he's still manufacturing there is absolutely no reason to abandon x1.1 and leave people hundreds of $ out of pocket.

The quality control on the brass parts for our boards was terrible they should never have shipped, plate and weight very scratched. And my board come silver when I ordered titanium grey. He promised replacement brass for everyone but barely anyone has received it. My case colour I never got a response on he was just adamant the lighting was different but I did direct comparisons with other people's boards and it it not even similar. The group buy started September something like that and was meant to run for 4-8 weeks, short GB but like 20 slots. It was march before anything started shipping. And when we realised stuff wasn't getting resolved it was well past the 6 month PayPal deadline for claims.

Whether I (or anyone else in the x1.1 GB) gets their order finally fulfilled is here nor there, what does concern me is that a well known manufacturer is able to operate like this and people are still running group buys through him. That should not happen until he's finished the other group buy or at least commited to sorting out the problems around other work.

Thanks

Offline cary

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Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
« Reply #284 on: Tue, 13 August 2019, 13:38:48 »
Can't wait for G60!