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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #100 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:16:59 »
Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.

I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.

I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #101 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:24:36 »
Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.

I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.

I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
OK.

Do you want split backspace?

Do you want split right shift?

Edit how about a form: https://goo.gl/forms/X5vrIolhcx53qdMu1
« Last Edit: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:37:03 by fireworm »

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #102 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:56:28 »


Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))

Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #103 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 18:30:44 »
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Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))

Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:

That looks great! How are the tolerances?
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #104 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 18:43:40 »
Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.

I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.

I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
OK.

Do you want split backspace?

Do you want split right shift?

Edit how about a form: https://goo.gl/forms/X5vrIolhcx53qdMu1
....

Or I'll just provide some files and other folks can sort it out themselves....

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #105 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 19:25:57 »
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Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))

Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:

That looks great! How are the tolerances?

Pretty great, placed a switch in and was able to use a key cap puller to remove a key cap without the switch popping out. Used laserboost for the cutter

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #106 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 20:58:21 »
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Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))

Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:

That looks great! How are the tolerances?

Pretty great, placed a switch in and was able to use a key cap puller to remove a key cap without the switch popping out. Used laserboost for the cutter
Mx stabs though?

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #107 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 21:39:35 »
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Was actually working on an alps Alice build and really wanted to avoid hand wiring :))

Would be very interested in an alps compatible PCB! Form filled :thumb:

That looks great! How are the tolerances?

Pretty great, placed a switch in and was able to use a key cap puller to remove a key cap without the switch popping out. Used laserboost for the cutter
Mx stabs though?

Yup, I'm going to be using the Alps Throwback set for keycaps and they use mx style stabs.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 18:59:59 »
I’m ready for this group buy!


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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #109 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 19:39:51 »
Firstly.. i'm going to buy this combo no matter what.
Secondly.. If it was my preference, i would rather pay extra for an ALPS specific plate that had alps (not costar or cherry) stabs clip holes.

I concur with this, once again. I'd rather not have to settle for something that requires a modification after I receive it in the mail, no matter how simple.

I'd settle on a specific, dedicated layout than accommodate for a "universal" type. The likelihood of desoldering and changing the layout, should I have a "universal" plate, would be pretty small.
OK.

Do you want split backspace?

Do you want split right shift?

Edit how about a form: https://goo.gl/forms/X5vrIolhcx53qdMu1
....

Or I'll just provide some files and other folks can sort it out themselves....

Yea, thinking more, I'm gonna do this:

Prototype mx / alps in acrylic. 

Then I'm gonna order five alps polycarb plates with split backspace, split r shift, and alps stablizers. 

If anyone wants one hit me up (it doesn't make sense to order one plate for $100+, when I can get five for significantly cheaper).

I can post files for any other folks (full backspace, full r shift), mx stabs, costar stabs, whatev.  But sweet Jesus, wrangling Alps preferences is like herding cats, since everything is incompatible with everything else!
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #110 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 15:31:00 »
PCB  GB when fellas?


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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #111 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 17:13:36 »
Yea, thinking more, I'm gonna do this:

Prototype mx / alps in acrylic. 

Then I'm gonna order five alps polycarb plates with split backspace, split r shift, and alps stablizers. 

If anyone wants one hit me up (it doesn't make sense to order one plate for $100+, when I can get five for significantly cheaper).

I can post files for any other folks (full backspace, full r shift), mx stabs, costar stabs, whatev.  But sweet Jesus, wrangling Alps preferences is like herding cats, since everything is incompatible with everything else!

Just wanted to say to not get split backspace and split right shift alps plates cause the only people who will have the sets needed for that are the real alps hoarders or people using mx stab alps sets which are few and far between.  Getting standard backspace and shift will make them easier to offload after you confirm your fitments.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #112 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 18:41:02 »
Yea, thinking more, I'm gonna do this:

Prototype mx / alps in acrylic. 

Then I'm gonna order five alps polycarb plates with split backspace, split r shift, and alps stablizers. 

If anyone wants one hit me up (it doesn't make sense to order one plate for $100+, when I can get five for significantly cheaper).

I can post files for any other folks (full backspace, full r shift), mx stabs, costar stabs, whatev.  But sweet Jesus, wrangling Alps preferences is like herding cats, since everything is incompatible with everything else!

Just wanted to say to not get split backspace and split right shift alps plates cause the only people who will have the sets needed for that are the real alps hoarders or people using mx stab alps sets which are few and far between.  Getting standard backspace and shift will make them easier to offload after you confirm your fitments.

That right there is the conflict that Alps fundamentally presents, due to the stabilizer issues.  I can't have both [money] and [the plate I want].  :P

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #113 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 13:50:49 »
I would love split backspace and split right shift alps compatibility :)

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #114 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:17:12 »
I would love split backspace and split right shift alps compatibility :)



As it is just one PCB, I think it was implied that it was going to have split right shift and backspace for alps too.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #115 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 16:25:05 »


I would love split backspace and split right shift alps compatibility :)

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As it is just one PCB, I think it was implied that it was going to have split right shift and backspace for alps too.

Pcb support is the easier part.  The alps plate can't satisfy everyone though, due to the alps stabs...

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #116 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 19:05:29 »
Interested, I am in.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 14:19:23 »
Can't wait for this

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 06 February 2019, 17:12:32 »
Also interested in this.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #119 on: Thu, 07 February 2019, 09:13:30 »
I would absolutely be down to get a PCB, hopefully it's not limited to 20 units. And if it doesn't affect cost, I think Black would be a good color for the PCB.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #120 on: Thu, 07 February 2019, 10:59:58 »
I would absolutely be down to get a PCB, hopefully it's not limited to 20 units. And if it doesn't affect cost, I think Black would be a good color for the PCB.

He said 30-40

Is this still going to be limited to 20 orders only?
I am so in for this.

For this run, we would like to limit orders to 1 pcb per person. Maximum total units to about 30-40 to keep qc tight. No limit to plates though.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #121 on: Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:01:18 »
Whatever is cheaper, I think that was the point of no LEDs, no indicators, etc.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #122 on: Thu, 07 February 2019, 11:03:19 »
Any chance you can make one for the Jane v1?

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #125 on: Fri, 08 February 2019, 01:32:13 »
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What is the real reason for it? Is it only for your QC after PCBs arrival?
I mean, PCB do not looks complicated to manufacture at all - no underglow, no indicators, no in-switch leds etc. Not a serious task for big manufacturers, must be no problems. And if some PCBs will be defective, they are always can accept it and replace for new ones.
Demand for these PCBs is way bigger than 35 maximum.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #126 on: Fri, 08 February 2019, 02:41:37 »
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What is the real reason for it? Is it only for your QC after PCBs arrival?
I mean, PCB do not looks complicated to manufacture at all - no underglow, no indicators, no in-switch leds etc. Not a serious task for big manufacturers, must be no problems. And if some PCBs will be defective, they are always can accept it and replace for new ones.
Demand for these PCBs is way bigger than 35 maximum.

hand assembly and QC

getting presoldered PCBs in quantities under 50 or 100 is generally prohibitively expensive

considering that there are only 60 or so alices in existence, it's not inefficient to limit to a certain number to keep costs down
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #127 on: Tue, 12 February 2019, 19:06:33 »
i ordered a plate, so want to keep an eye on this too - anyway we could get shipping to line up if we already have plate ordered or is the timeline way different?

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 13 February 2019, 01:55:49 »
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What is the real reason for it? Is it only for your QC after PCBs arrival?
I mean, PCB do not looks complicated to manufacture at all - no underglow, no indicators, no in-switch leds etc. Not a serious task for big manufacturers, must be no problems. And if some PCBs will be defective, they are always can accept it and replace for new ones.
Demand for these PCBs is way bigger than 35 maximum.

hand assembly and QC

getting presoldered PCBs in quantities under 50 or 100 is generally prohibitively expensive

considering that there are only 60 or so alices in existence, it's not inefficient to limit to a certain number to keep costs down

Puddsy's right as the limit on the pcb is due to hand soldering.

i ordered a plate, so want to keep an eye on this too - anyway we could get shipping to line up if we already have plate ordered or is the timeline way different?

Timeline would not match up and I didn't want to hold up any people on the plates that was in IC months before I posted about PCBs. If anyone wants to wait for their PCB to ship together, I will definitely ship them together but I can't promise the timeline for that yet.
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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 13 February 2019, 02:27:50 »
Plate ordered. Just waiting on this now.

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #131 on: Sun, 17 February 2019, 14:57:34 »
Just dropping in to let you guys know that we are reviewing all the interest & feedback and working out some details.
Stay tuned and I will post a major update of the project SOON™

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Re: [IC] TGR Alice PCB (Update: ALPS Support for PCB)
« Reply #132 on: Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:04:04 »
Just dropping in to let you guys know that we are reviewing all the interest & feedback and working out some details.
Stay tuned and I will post a major update of the project SOON™

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