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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:01:58 »
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Have you ever had a case of the Monday's? Then Paperwork may be the set for you! Sporting an office approved gray color scheme accented with hi-lighter high lights, it's sure to bring a smile and a little excitement to your desk.



Paperwork features 13 custom colors from SP's library. GG, GKH, GTR, RDA, RCJ, YBP, YCE, RCR, RCS, BDG, BFQ, VBQ, and VAT



Paperwork has homing bars and includes two 100, one 175, one 200, one 225, and one 625 spacebars and supports both MiniVan, Planck, JD40/45, Daisy, Core and more keyboard layouts.



We have already discussed this project with GMK and they have given us the green light. We will be sending the color chips to GMK which should ensure a quick and accurate color matching process.



















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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:04:22 »
classic evan

yikes on that compatability

Iíd love to see an actual render. All the current renders donít look like GMK.. legends are thin af
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« Reply #2 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:08:19 »
I like the colourway, I'd honestly just love more compatibility. Or any.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:09:52 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:11:49 »
Only minivan and ortho, lmao

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« Reply #5 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:14:28 »
Just had to double check the username, but nothing new with evangs in terms of compatibility. How many users do actually have either a Minivan or a Planck? I wonder how many sets youíd have to buy yourself to reach MOQ.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:19:21 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:21:37 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:21:43 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.


Whilst I donít disagree, this only covers evangs products, not all 40s even. Given that a lot of sets are struggling lately, even if the price is lower, to hit MOQ for any custom colour will be difficult without attracting more people with compatibility.


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« Reply #9 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:24:18 »
If this wasn't only 40% support, I'd be very into it.

If you're open to doing a larger GB, then I think the way that GMK Calm Depths and other sets have been offering separate base and 40% kits may be the way to go. 
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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:24:58 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

But I do love the concept


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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.


Whilst I donít disagree, this only covers evangs products, not all 40s even. Given that a lot of sets are struggling lately, even if the price is lower, to hit MOQ for any custom colour will be difficult without attracting more people with compatibility.


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I mean this is literally the most classic Evan behavior ever. I expect a long response on why he values the minivan and why he wonít be expanding it. Gl hitting moq.

Iíd be pleasantly surprised otherwise, and might even get a set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:32:56 »
That's gonna be a no from me dawg
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« Reply #12 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:38:14 »
Yeah... this doesn't even cover THE50.

It's gonna be a pass from me.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:50:12 »
Colors are pleasant and nice, minimal and subdued with just enough flair to pop.

But compatibility is, well  :-X. So pass here as well, though I'd almost certainly be in for a regular kit.

With how GMK pricing works, yeah it's more expensive to do a "full" base kit obviously, but its still a far better value to get a larger kit than a smaller kit with GMK. Doesn't really seem like a viable strategy to do single board kits to me. SP is a different story all together, and definitely slightly more viable.
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« Reply #14 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:17:07 »
Hard to look at GMK after seeing this on sphericals...

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« Reply #15 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:31:20 »
ok wait here's something i'm confused on

what do you mean "green light from gmk?"

doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?
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« Reply #16 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:34:17 »
ok wait here's something i'm confused on

what do you mean "green light from gmk?"

doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?

I was assuming it was just talking to the fact that the custom colors could be done, but just my assumption. Was an odd way to word whatever that means.
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« Reply #17 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:40:58 »
ok wait here's something i'm confused on

what do you mean "green light from gmk?"

doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?

I was assuming it was just talking to the fact that the custom colors could be done, but just my assumption. Was an odd way to word whatever that means.

yeah but we already knew gmk could do custom colors

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« Reply #18 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:48:21 »
Why do the legends in the renders look like old school lasered Cherry legends?

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 14:52:19 »
The legends in the renders look almost like OG cherry lasered legends. Strange choice. Also, not sure why you are sending SP samples to GMK, this set could prob be done in GMK stock colors for the most part. +1 to the ****ty compat train.

I realize that you are designing this set for minivan/ your ecosystem of boards, but then I think that GH wouldnt be the best place for an IC in that case. Reddit would probably be better for advertising as well as like a newsletter or something of the sort from your website (if you havent already).

The vast majority of GH wont be able to use this set with the compat as is, so I'm not sure why this IC is up here if you dont plan on changing compat that is.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:00:19 »
Why do the legends in the renders look like old school lasered Cherry legends?

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in b4 he pulls a fast one and ships krepublic sets with these same thin legends

I feel like thicker legends would actually do the set more justice, idk what Iím really looking at here

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:05:18 »
Lmao not even standard spacebar. Looks nice but lack of compatibility for anything is a no go for me. It doesnít even support a Preonic.

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:25:52 »
Works for my planck and atreuii, so count me in!

Sorry to other people who donít fit. That sucks. I understand the feeling; I canít use a single maxkeys set. :/

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:36:40 »
I celebrate his whole catalog.

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« Reply #24 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:41:02 »
Interested. I have no clue for the reasoning but major keyset creators have been purposely cutting support for the minivan so im glad to hopefully see a cheaper set tailored specifically for it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:42:49 »
The colours are nice. Is the limited compat an attempt to sell more Minivans? I mean, fair enough if it is, but if you wanted to get nice caps to more people in a small base kit you could easily add enough to cover a bunch of 40's, like other people have said. But I'm sure you realise that. I'm genuinely interested to hear your reasoning anyway.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 15:59:22 »
It would be nice if this at least supported 40% boards other than the Minivan. As it stands literally only Minivan users can get full use out of this. No-go for me.

The 9009 40s kit was great precisely because it supported a variety of small keyboards. Purple Rain and the blue/green set are not great precisely because they only support the Minivan.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:00:39 »
also, what's the moq on this? 250, right? since it's custom colors

are there even 250 minivans?

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:03:07 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:19:59 »
I need a 2.75u spacebar for the Pearl. Add it, and i'm in

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:23:23 »
Do you like setting things up to fail?
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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:27:33 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

Lets say that is 1000 boards at an outside estimate. If the MOQ is 250 (which it usually is for custom colours), that means you need 1 in every 4 people who own one of the few compatible board to buy this set. Given the take up rate of some high profile sets in the community it may be achievable, but a lot of GB sets need vendor help to reach MOQ, even with really popular sets such as DMG.

By just adding a few more keys you could include the rest of the 40% market in your potential pool, probably doubling the size of the pool dramatically.

By adding enough for a 60% or more, you open this set up to perhaps 70% of the community.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:28:58 »
also, what's the moq on this? 250, right? since it's custom colors

are there even 250 minivans?

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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:31:24 »
I think this colorway is awesome but due to the compatibility it's a pass from me.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:44:00 »
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?

The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.

(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)

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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80

What is gmk n6tu?

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[IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:50:06 »
How many failed moqs does it take...

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:05:58 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that

5-10% is like... seriously good conversion

250 out of 600 is nearly 45%

i'm skeptical
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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:09:30 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that

5-10% is like... seriously good conversion

250 out of 600 is nearly 45%

i'm skeptical
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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:11:21 »
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ

dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that

5-10% is like... seriously good conversion

250 out of 600 is nearly 45%

i'm skeptical
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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:13:22 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts


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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:58:10 »
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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 18:56:58 »
woof, that compatibility is super limited. i might be down if it had a number row, but as it stands it's a definite pass

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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:24:48 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts

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« Reply #43 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:26:11 »
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layouts

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« Reply #44 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:32:38 »
I believe the rest of the people in this thread are making a lot of sense. This set would be fantastic as a minimalist 60% or TKL set, with more 40% support than just ortho and MiniVan. I appreciate your dedication, Evan, but frankly it's a TERRIBLE decision to support only the MiniVan and ortho boards. I love this set. I love the colors. But the limited compatibility is frankly disappointing. I know that the fewer keys, the lower the cost, but it's only a couple more keys and you can support almost every 40% on the market! It's a no brainer. Why not support boards and layouts such as the JD40 and JD45, THE most common and well known 40% keyboards. I would be happy to purchase it if you included these keys, but without them? You're alienating most of the community. ICs are for feedback, and so it's not too late to change it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:40:12 »
looks like slate

0 compatibility nty

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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:58:36 »
people buy a (big) base set to cover full size, tkl, 60%, 1800,...
you can make a set that cover almost every 40% boards, no? there ought to be some unused keys, but that's not a big problem. (even less unused keys than a (big) base set)

looks like slate

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I thought this set looks brighter than Slate?  :-[

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Re: [IC] GMK Paperwork
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:59:51 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?

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« Reply #48 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:12:47 »
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:22:00 »
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?
Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great

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