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[IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (16/06/2019 SAMPLE PHOTOS ADDED)
« on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 01:30:08 »
ENJOYPBT 3000SAT

Hello. I've been asked by KBDfans to design a set to be produced by Enjoypbt based on the old Cherry G81-3000 set.
So far, it has been decided that it will follow the original design except that it will have Text+Icon modifiers rather than just icons and the Prt Sc/Sys Rq key will be done in green like the original.

I have added a Super, Code and diamond icon OS keys of varying sizes. My rationale is that the Super key was more popular than Code so I've added 1.5u and 1.25u sizes for these. I've added 1u Code instead of Super because 1u the Super legend looks tight on 1u. I have only included 1u diamond keys because they can double up as 1u Fn keys for split R-shift and they are harder to centre on anything larger than 1u during manufacturing.

The design has been completed and has been sent for prototyping. I am still open to suggestions but it is important to test the side-printing by Enjoypbt to ensure that the quality is sufficient. Also considering adding a mod coloured tilde key like in the renders.
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14/02/2019 - Windows 95 OS key is leading in the google form but I am thinking about adding 1u diamond, 1.25u and 1.5u super keys as well as having 1u and 1.25u Windows 95 OS keys.
25/03/2019 - Added a progress snapshot
26/03/2019 - Updated the preview with the full kit as it stands
27/03/2019 - Added accent keys to the kit. Removed 1u Menu key.
28/03/2019 - Added R4 pipe key and R2 Control key for HHKB layouts. Removed 1u Backspace and 1.5u Fn keys.
01/04/2019 - Split the kit into a base kit + addons with the numpad & additional accents keys.
02/04/2019 - Some corrections made to the kit. Files sent to KBDfans for prototyping.
27/04/2019 - Added renders. Still waiting for samples.
08/06/2019 - Added an ortho kit. Still waiting for samples
16/06/2019 - Photos of samples added
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 01:35:28 »
I would like to see something different.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 01:37:02 »
I donít mind the idea of a more grey base as opposed to the usual beige, but please leave the legend colors in tact. Itís just not a SAT set without those sexy, blue front-printed legends :)

I would like to see the legends from 3000 used over 3004 as well.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 01:51:37 »
I think a beige set would be pretty great. A lot of grey sets coming in development or already out.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 01:55:26 »
I donít mind the idea of a more grey base as opposed to the usual beige, but please leave the legend colors in tact. Itís just not a SAT set without those sexy, blue front-printed legends :)

I would like to see the legends from 3000 used over 3004 as well.
I am of the same opinion too. Would love to see this come to life with amazing legending

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 02:11:27 »
Would like to have the legends remain relatively the same, but I'm open to the idea of different keycap colors.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 02:55:26 »
Get rid of the horrible homing bars and I'm in. As for colours, my personal preference would be for the OG Cherry look.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #7 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 03:05:10 »
Get rid of the horrible homing bars and I'm in. As for colours, my personal preference would be for the OG Cherry look.
That is something that I don't think can realistically be done and I personally like scooped and barred homing keys.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #8 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 03:17:55 »
Icon + text please!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #9 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 04:06:34 »
OG beige.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #10 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:01:49 »
I vote for keeping it as close to OG as possible. Both in terms of legend colors, *and* keycap colors. If OG is beige, then keep it beige. But thatís just my opinion.


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:20:47 »
I vote for keeping it as close to OG as possible. Both in terms of legend colors, *and* keycap colors. If OG is beige, then keep it beige. But thatís just my opinion.


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I would like to echo this sentiment, with the addition of a couple of navy accent keys to match the side-printed legends!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:31:09 »
Would you keep the Czech layout with front-printed English ledgends like in the link?  I would definitely buy that.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #13 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:48:06 »
Beige please :D
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #14 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 09:16:20 »
Preserve the OG look! Beige caps, black legends, blue sub-legends.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #15 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 09:49:52 »
Keep it as close as possible to the original would be my preference

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:35:47 »
I think if you're going to go about mimicking a retro set it's best to keep to the OG colors.
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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:37:52 »
This x100. If you recreate it but change it then I don't think it deserves to be named after SAT
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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:56:04 »
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #19 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:59:26 »
This x100. If you recreate it but change it then I don't think it deserves to be named after SAT
Yup. At that point, I'd be considering a name change for the set. I just think there is scope for something new rather than rehashing old sets. Those keysets were made when keyboards were all beige but now there I so much variety that we needn't limit ourselves.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:12:52 »
Vintage is cool. Keep it faithful to OG.


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:19:07 »
I like this. May go in for a set.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 20:05:35 »
It looks like the consensus is for beige and original colours.
I have created a google form to round out some of the other options that haven't been discussed much.

https://goo.gl/forms/kpetdXSA0VIlvDMj1

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 21:20:28 »
Something like this would probably be best staying as close to the original as you can. Though I must admit it would be cool to see you design an ePBT set that uses icons for all modifier keys and not just the 60% modifiers.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 25 January 2019, 22:08:28 »
Something like this would probably be best staying as close to the original as you can. Though I must admit it would be cool to see you design an ePBT set that uses icons for all modifier keys and not just the 60% modifiers.
Not that many people have responded yet but text+icons seems more popular so far which is different to the original design. I'd personally prefer text+icon as well so that there are more options to mix and match modifier keys since 9009 already covers beige coloured icon mods.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 00:08:37 »
The subledgends would be great.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #26 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 01:55:43 »


This x100. If you recreate it but change it then I don't think it deserves to be named after SAT
Yup. At that point, I'd be considering a name change for the set. I just think there is scope for something new rather than rehashing old sets. Those keysets were made when keyboards were all beige but now there I so much variety that we needn't limit ourselves.

I agree with this. I don't mind doing a homage to an old keyset, but must we limit ourselves to the same old same old? Slice it up, add some accents in there! Maybe navy blue to match the sub legends, which I believe was mentioned earlier.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #27 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 11:15:15 »
Two enthusiastic thumbs up. I'm in agreement with those who are voting for the OG look. Classics never go out of style.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #28 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 16:27:36 »
As close to the original as possible please. Also, I'm assuming ansi layout supported

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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 26 January 2019, 20:41:19 »
Keep it OG please

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #30 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 02:36:32 »
In for whatever this set ends up being. Go with your gut!

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 27 January 2019, 22:48:21 »
I'll be leaving the google form open for a bit longer but so far, it looks like the majority of you want text+icon and with the Czech sublegends of the G81-3000.
I'll start working on the new legends sometime this week.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 12:45:02 »
I think an epbt peacock esque set would be freaking incredible i'd be very interested.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #33 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 12:51:33 »
I think an epbt peacock esque set would be freaking incredible i'd be very interested.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 13:01:33 »
I would really love for this set to happen, but I am not that confident in epbt sideprint, which this set needs for it to be done well.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 13:51:34 »
Has EnjoyPBT ever done side-printing?


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000/3004 SAT set
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 14:05:00 »
I would really love for this set to happen, but I am not that confident in epbt sideprint, which this set needs for it to be done well.
This is something that I've stressed to KBDfans as well but the samples I've received for Kuro/Shiro has sideprinted legends that are much cleaner than they were for BoW. I agree that it will make or break the set.

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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 28 January 2019, 14:09:15 »
Has EnjoyPBT ever done side-printing?


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Yeah for example EnjoyPBT Arabic* had Prt Scr with blue side printed Sys Rq.
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« Reply #38 on: Tue, 29 January 2019, 06:50:56 »
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Yeah for example EnjoyPBT cyrillic had Prt Scr with blue side printed Sys Rq.
BoW had the same.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #39 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:12:40 »
Updated main post with a new link to another google form with some more questions.

The results of the first google form can be seen here: https://goo.gl/forms/WxHabo7Oq3OtSdVw1

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #40 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 21:35:45 »
These are the results so far from the latest form. I'll be leaving this open for a while because the votes are so split regarding the OS key.

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 00:19:44 »
More votes for diamond please. Much more universal.

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« Reply #42 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 12:59:23 »
Just out of curiosity, why is epbt unable to do scooped homing keys?

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« Reply #43 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 13:07:31 »
I believe they do make them. But their scooped keys happen to also have bars. I would also like scoop-only keycaps, TBH.
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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 13:27:12 »
I believe they do. But their scooped keys happen to also have bars. I would also like scoop-only keycaps, TBH.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 13:44:13 »
I personally like teh semi scoope semi barred best. But if i had to pick barred i think is better.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #46 on: Sun, 10 February 2019, 23:09:46 »
Votes are still pretty split with regards to OS key preferences but the win 95 logo is leading.
Something that I am considering if having win 95 key as the main OS key but adding 1u diamond keys for hhkb layout and 1.5u super keys for WKL where a lot of people use control in hhkb position but it looks odd with 2 control keys on the left side.

Also looking to split the kit into core + numpad like I am doing for Kuro/Shiro.

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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 11 February 2019, 02:06:11 »
Votes are still pretty split with regards to OS key preferences but the win 95 logo is leading.
Something that I am considering if having win 95 key as the main OS key but adding 1u diamond keys for hhkb layout and 1.5u super keys for WKL where a lot of people use control in hhkb position but it looks odd with 2 control keys on the left side.

Also looking to split the kit into core + numpad like I am doing for Kuro/Shiro.
Yeah separate numpad is great

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 11 February 2019, 03:10:36 »
How does enjoypbt sound? I got a set, a japanese pbt alpha set (not sure if enjoybpt), which sounds annoying high pitched, when compared to gmk abs, or to oem vortex pbt.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #49 on: Wed, 13 February 2019, 00:29:45 »
How does enjoypbt sound? I got a set, a japanese pbt alpha set (not sure if enjoybpt), which sounds annoying high pitched, when compared to gmk abs, or to oem vortex pbt.
I personally like the sound and feel of them but your preferences may be different.

On a separate note, 60 people have filled out the latest form and these are the results so far:


Windows 95 is leading but the diamond key isn't too far behind. What do people think about my previous suggestion of adding 1u diamond keys and 1.5u super keys in conjunction with 1u and 1.25u Windows 95 keys?
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