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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #50 on: Wed, 13 February 2019, 02:51:57 »
How does enjoypbt sound? I got a set, a japanese pbt alpha set (not sure if enjoybpt), which sounds annoying high pitched, when compared to gmk abs, or to oem vortex pbt.
I personally like the sound and feel of them but your preferences may be different.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 13 February 2019, 03:05:52 »
How does enjoypbt sound? I got a set, a japanese pbt alpha set (not sure if enjoybpt), which sounds annoying high pitched, when compared to gmk abs, or to oem vortex pbt.
I personally like the sound and feel of them but your preferences may be different.

I just asked if this sets sounds sharper, higher and more acute than gmk abs. You didn't answer  :(
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 13 February 2019, 03:20:11 »
How does enjoypbt sound? I got a set, a japanese pbt alpha set (not sure if enjoybpt), which sounds annoying high pitched, when compared to gmk abs, or to oem vortex pbt.
I personally like the sound and feel of them but your preferences may be different.

I just asked if this sets sounds sharper, higher and more acute than gmk abs. You didn't answer  :(

because its almost impossible to answer that question accurately. I am sure someone could give a yes or a no but it be woefully inadequate. Things like plate materials and case design all play a very high roll in acoustic properties. I am sure PCB materials can and do play a role. As some boards have more flex then others. The switch batch them self's can play a role in how things sound. I found that there is no easy answer to acoustics. My topre boards are a great example of that. I mean there both topre one a Topre TKL and the other a Leopold. There both using the Topre switch and both have extremely different acoustic characteristics.

Though to try to answer your question my enjoypbt sets tend to sound more rich on my tada 68. They remind me more of a topre switch then the gmk abs do thought neither has a exact sound profile like topre thock. 

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 16 March 2019, 11:12:46 »
How similar is this to the Peacock set by HammerWorks CRP being sold on Massdrop now?
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 16 March 2019, 11:16:32 »
Is this the same as the Peacock set by HammerWorks CRP being sold on Massdrop now?
It is not. They're two different PBT keycaps makers.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 16 March 2019, 11:20:37 »
Is this the same as the Peacock set by HammerWorks CRP being sold on Massdrop now?
It is not. They're two different PBT keycaps makers.

Edited my post. I know theyre not the same but they look very similar. Just wondering about the history behind these. Couldnt find anything about Peacock on deskthority.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 16 March 2019, 11:25:35 »
There are three known versions of SAT:
G81-3000
G81-3004
G81-3225

3000 is presumably the default Czech layout, it includes many top-printed black sublegends on the alphas as well as that famous blue scattered throughout, which also appears in side print on the numrow
3004 is the designation for Peacock Computers, it's similar to the 3000 spec but without many of the alpha sublegends and with a Peacock logo on the case
3225 is an English/Czech hybrid similar in spec to 3004 but with some tweaks like text/icon mods in some places and different bracket positions, etc.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #57 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 16:01:07 »
I agree that scoops plus bars feel and look horrible.
How's the enjoypbt texture, compared to the OG sets? PBT is more "silky" and dry than abs, I just wonder how does enjoypbt compare to OG pbt (texture and touch wise).


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 16:16:50 »
I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #59 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 16:39:02 »
I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

So it's one pair of F and J purely scooped and one pair and purely barred? That's nice  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #60 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 16:57:28 »
I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

I think you will find the community split on what's preferred. But EPBT might want to rework their scooped design.

See my Reddit post demonstrating the problem here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/b08vog/enjoypbt_homing_keys_impact_switch_housings/

I personally like scoops, but I assume fixing this will be pretty expensive, so I'm happy to settle for no scoops.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 17:41:07 »
Oh I would love if pure scoops were something EPBT could do, that's half of the appeal of OG PBT and CRP for me personally, pure scoops and R5 bottom row.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 18:21:34 »
I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

I think you will find the community split on what's preferred. But EPBT might want to rework their scooped design.

See my Reddit post demonstrating the problem here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/b08vog/enjoypbt_homing_keys_impact_switch_housings/

I personally like scoops, but I assume fixing this will be pretty expensive, so I'm happy to settle for no scoops.

OMG  I was considering to use silent switches. Is the only solution to Dremel the key?

How can such a low tech thing like a keyboard have so many variables? Why people can't just copy what it works? Is that so difficult? Just look at box switches. They were too big and still destroy keycaps. And now this. How can this happen?

If the OG was icon only, why does this need to be icons and text? That's strange.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 18:54:11 »
Scooped-only EPBT would be really nice if they manage to fix the scoop-hitting-switch issue.

Also +1 for R5, but again that requires new molds so I wouldn't hold my breath.

I've just confirmed with KBDfans that epbt can do purely barred keys so we will run with that.

I think you will find the community split on what's preferred. But EPBT might want to rework their scooped design.

See my Reddit post demonstrating the problem here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/b08vog/enjoypbt_homing_keys_impact_switch_housings/

I personally like scoops, but I assume fixing this will be pretty expensive, so I'm happy to settle for no scoops.

OMG  I was considering to use silent switches. Is the only solution to Dremel the key?

How can such a low tech thing like a keyboard have so many variables? Why people can't just copy what it works? Is that so difficult? Just look at box switches. They were too big and still destroy keycaps. And now this. How can this happen?

If the OG was icon only, why does this need to be icons and text? That's strange.

I'm not sure what part you would even Dremel...

As for BOX switches, the problem is that Kailh got a request from an OEM customer to make the stems extra-fat so that (their probably poorly made) keycaps wouldn't fall off. So Kailh complied without thinking about the effects on a tiny fraction of their customers (the enthusiast community).

As for the keyset, that's what an IC is for. I'm definitely in favor of mimicking the OG look when possible.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 20:16:40 »
When does the GB start?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 21:00:20 »
When does the GB start?
Way too early to confirm but what I can say is that it will definitely be after Kuro/Shiro and Extended 2048.

The current timeline is to finish the design by the end of the month and then wait for prototypes which will probably be around 2 months from now.

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[IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #66 on: Mon, 18 March 2019, 21:06:16 »
+1 for Icons Mods. The closer to OG, the better.


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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #67 on: Wed, 20 March 2019, 05:21:50 »
Beige/white is a good classic color scheme, but I would like to see what other colors are possible with PBT personally. 2048 with its cream background color is a welcome first step of innovation.  :)
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #68 on: Wed, 20 March 2019, 05:46:34 »
Beige/white is a good classic color scheme, but I would like to see what other colors are possible with PBT personally. 2048 with its cream background color is a welcome first step of innovation.  :)
There have already been a few non beige epbt sets already like bow, Grayscale, slate and kuro/Shiro.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set (25/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #69 on: Mon, 25 March 2019, 03:47:28 »
Added a snapshot of my progress. Alpha legends are done and the next thing to do is to place side printed legends and then finish off the mods.
I'm aiming to finish the first cut for prototyping by the end of the week.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set (25/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 25 March 2019, 05:08:37 »
Added a snapshot of my progress. Alpha legends are done and the next thing to do is to place side printed legends and then finish off the mods.
I'm aiming to finish the first cut for prototyping by the end of the week.
Looks nice. Will you create an international kit?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set (25/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 25 March 2019, 05:16:07 »
Added a snapshot of my progress. Alpha legends are done and the next thing to do is to place side printed legends and then finish off the mods.
I'm aiming to finish the first cut for prototyping by the end of the week.
Looks nice. Will you create an international kit?

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Probably not because it is already based on a particular set of ISO legends.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set
« Reply #72 on: Mon, 25 March 2019, 05:45:29 »
I think OS keys should be neutral. I use macos linux and windows too. Super, Code or diamond is better suitable, at least for me.


How does enjoypbt sound? I got a set, a japanese pbt alpha set (not sure if enjoybpt), which sounds annoying high pitched, when compared to gmk abs, or to oem vortex pbt.
I personally like the sound and feel of them but your preferences may be different.

On a separate note, 60 people have filled out the latest form and these are the results so far:
(Attachment Link)

Windows 95 is leading but the diamond key isn't too far behind. What do people think about my previous suggestion of adding 1u diamond keys and 1.5u super keys in conjunction with 1u and 1.25u Windows 95 keys?

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set (25/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 00:36:23 »
+1 for icon mods to keep it as OG as possible.

Also hoping for R5 but that'll require new molds.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt G81-3000 SAT set (25/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 02:52:36 »
+1 for icon mods to keep it as OG as possible.

Also hoping for R5 but that'll require new molds.

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Sorry, icon+text won out in the survey.

I've attached a quick update. This is the kit as it stands. I've tried to cut out split spacebar compatibility to get the kit size down but still leave all the necessary compatibility for layouts.
Also, I've provided options for the OS key to meet peoples' preferences since the results in the current survey aren't unanimous.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (26/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #75 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 16:44:51 »
Kit looks grood to me! Easily should fit any of the boards I own. Happy too that there's way less keys overall than greyscale so hopefully it'll be a decent bit cheaper  :thumb:
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« Reply #76 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 17:56:05 »
the Y key should not have > if the ansi left shift doesnt have and option for  <

either make an extra Y without or make a extra shift with <
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (26/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 18:16:59 »
the Y key should not have > if the ansi left shift doesnt have and option for  <

either make an extra Y without or make a extra shift with <
Good point. I think I'll go with an extra Y rather than adding a < to the shift.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (26/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 21:02:08 »
I think one non-original addition that could be nice is a blue accent kit to match the blue sub legends.

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« Reply #79 on: Tue, 26 March 2019, 21:42:34 »
I think one non-original addition that could be nice is a blue accent kit to match the blue sub legends.
I think that could be nice, just for the Esc and Enter keys. The question then would be whether to use the mod colour like GMK Blue Alert or alpha colours for the base key.

EDIT: added the accent keys to the preview in the main post.
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« Reply #80 on: Wed, 27 March 2019, 08:20:38 »
Can we get full HHKB support (1.75u CTRL and 1u pipe key)?

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« Reply #81 on: Wed, 27 March 2019, 13:00:02 »
Can we get full HHKB support (1.75u CTRL and 1u pipe key)?
Whoops. I remember deleting an extra alpha coloured key because I thought it was related to international ISO because I hadn't added the sideprint yet. I'll get that fixed.
The key count is getting a bit up there now so I want to cull some stuff. First on the list is the 1.5u Fn but I'm wondering about the 1u backspace as well so that I can add the 1.75u control.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (27/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 28 March 2019, 02:22:41 »
Can we get full HHKB support (1.75u CTRL and 1u pipe key)?
Updated.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 28 March 2019, 04:55:06 »
Blue accent keys, I like. Will it look good with blue spacebar or just stick back to OG feel?
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« Reply #84 on: Thu, 28 March 2019, 05:19:02 »
Blue accent keys, I like. Will it look good with blue spacebar or just stick back to OG feel?
I think that would be a bit overboard. Even the blue enter might be a bit much in some cases.

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« Reply #85 on: Thu, 28 March 2019, 05:26:09 »
that blue enter looks really nice gok. awesome job  :thumb:
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« Reply #86 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 19:10:18 »
Czech ISO and a blue enter? You have ALL my attention!  :eek: ;D

EDIT: I would like to point out  mistakes in the print on the key right next to P: there should be the / symbol instead of { symbol and there should be a + symbol on the number 1 key above Q.
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« Reply #87 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 19:57:56 »
Sweet, that was the choice i was hoping for

cannot wait for this set!!! looks amazing and has the capability for good layouts
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 20:20:46 »
I like the blue enter; would be down for a matching blue spacebar and arrow keys myself.

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« Reply #89 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 20:54:57 »
I like the blue enter; would be down for a matching blue spacebar and arrow keys myself.

A blue spacebar would be truly gorgeous.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:03:31 »
I like the blue enter; would be down for a matching blue spacebar and arrow keys myself.

A blue spacebar would be truly gorgeous.

Id prefer to keep it understated as is and hopefully keep the price down.

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« Reply #91 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:07:50 »
Id prefer to keep it understated as is and hopefully keep the price down.

Separate purchase option; like what was done with ePBT Grayscale and extra accent kits.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:20:29 »
Was the print on the E key considered? It is not included in the original set but the sign accesible through AltGr is default option in many ISO layouts (including the Czech ISO layout..and this set is in Czech ISO). Since basically all AltGr options are printed in the down right corner of the caps the sign should be printed on the E key as well.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:21:57 »
I like the blue enter; would be down for a matching blue spacebar and arrow keys myself.

Czech ISO and a blue enter? You have ALL my attention!  :eek: ;D

EDIT: I would like to point out  mistakes in the print on the key right next to P: there should be the / symbol instead of { symbol and there should be a + symbol on the number 1 key above Q.

I like the blue enter; would be down for a matching blue spacebar and arrow keys myself.

A blue spacebar would be truly gorgeous.

I like the blue enter; would be down for a matching blue spacebar and arrow keys myself.

A blue spacebar would be truly gorgeous.

Id prefer to keep it understated as is and hopefully keep the price down.
Thanks, I'll fix that when I get home.
It seems that few people are wanting more accent keys. What I can do is remove the numpad and 1800/CP compatibility from the base set and bundle that with accent spacebars, arrows and windows+diamond keys.

This would leave compatibility for standard 60%, TKL, tsangan 7u, HHKB, 65% and 75% which is pretty much what most people in this hobby use.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:28:11 »
It seems that few people are wanting more accent keys. What I can do is remove the numpad and 1800/CP compatibility from the base set and bundle that with accent spacebars, arrows and windows+diamond keys.

This would leave compatibility for standard 60%, TKL, tsangan 7u, HHKB, 65% and 75% which is pretty much what most people in this hobby use.

Sounds good to me!  See what everyone else thinks.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 21:35:45 »
Was the print on the E key considered? It is not included in the original set but the sign accesible through AltGr is default option in many ISO layouts (including the Czech ISO layout..and this set is in Czech ISO). Since basically all AltGr options are printed in the down right corner of the caps the sign should be printed on the E key as well.
And the & symbol on the C as well? I think it makes sense but I'd like others to chime in to see how they feel about this as well.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 31 March 2019, 22:06:30 »
Was the print on the E key considered? It is not included in the original set but the sign accesible through AltGr is default option in many ISO layouts (including the Czech ISO layout..and this set is in Czech ISO). Since basically all AltGr options are printed in the down right corner of the caps the sign should be printed on the E key as well.
And the & symbol on the C as well? I think it makes sense but I'd like others to chime in to see how they feel about this as well.

Yes, & is also accessible through AltGr on the C key. But it is slightly more complicated. If your TKL layout is 87 keys the Czech layout (the Enter is no ISO here but that's irrelevant) looks like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Keyboard_layout_Czech.svg. Notice the differences: the key above the enter key misses symbol but this symbol is accessible through AltGr. then there are the three keys between M and Enter. These in combination with AltGr give from left to right: < > *. But these symbol can be accessed more easily if you include the 88th key with the sacrifice of shorter left Shift (and because we can, we add the & symbol as well). Then you get the layout we see in this group buy and there is no need to print the AltGr default options on these three keys between M and Enter (also, it is incredible clumsy procedure to hold AltGr and then press any of these three keys from default finger position).

Conclusion: It really depends what people here decide to do. The current state of the prints with the mistakes out of the way is great. I think it would look nice and continous if the C had the & print.
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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 00:38:09 »
Can't wait for this set

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (28/03/2019 UPDATE)
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 04:09:50 »
Was the print on the E key considered? It is not included in the original set but the sign accesible through AltGr is default option in many ISO layouts (including the Czech ISO layout..and this set is in Czech ISO). Since basically all AltGr options are printed in the down right corner of the caps the sign should be printed on the E key as well.
And the & symbol on the C as well? I think it makes sense but I'd like others to chime in to see how they feel about this as well.

Yes, & is also accessible through AltGr on the C key. But it is slightly more complicated. If your TKL layout is 87 keys the Czech layout (the Enter is no ISO here but that's irrelevant) looks like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Keyboard_layout_Czech.svg. Notice the differences: the key above the enter key misses symbol but this symbol is accessible through AltGr. then there are the three keys between M and Enter. These in combination with AltGr give from left to right: < > *. But these symbol can be accessed more easily if you include the 88th key with the sacrifice of shorter left Shift (and because we can, we add the & symbol as well). Then you get the layout we see in this group buy and there is no need to print the AltGr default options on these three keys between M and Enter (also, it is incredible clumsy procedure to hold AltGr and then press any of these three keys from default finger position).

Conclusion: It really depends what people here decide to do. The current state of the prints with the mistakes out of the way is great. I think it would look nice and continous if the C had the & print.
I've updated the kit. Let me know if there are still errors.

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Re: [IC] Enjoypbt 3000SAT (01/04/2019 KIT UPDATE)
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 01 April 2019, 06:06:33 »
Yup, exactly what I want.