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Offline Vulcan

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[IC] MAJA (Majapahit) Ergo Keyboard
« on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:13:01 »



Hi, I Finally have time to start working on this keyboard again, here the new render. any feedback? I see many people find the name to hard to pronounce, should we change it or just make it simpler by just calling it "MAJA"
















Spec :
- 6061 Aluminum
- Hotswap PCB with RGB Each key
- Thick removable aluminum plate (4.5-5 mm)
- USB type c

The plate is by default thick, but i made it removable and changeable just in case someone want to use flex plate.

Interest Check:

https://goo.gl/forms/4dgDrvRbbdFx2S0H3



Timeline:
- Finish the design in August
- Submit to factory for proto in September


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Offline Vulcan

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:13:24 »
reserve

Offline cijanzen

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[IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:15:59 »
Very much interested. Filled the form!

My only suggestion was to have the edges curve down towards the front instead of the hard angle you currently have. The rest of the board is curvy so I think that would suit the design more.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:28:32 »
Please say it'll support ISO!


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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:31:10 »
Interested to see this take shape. Would like to see some renders with caps as well. Looking good so far with dedicated arrow keys!

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:43:33 »
Couple suggestions:
Split Backspace support
Moving the right 3-key cluster a bit more right to accommodate a forth key below that fits in the space next to the up arrow key

Beautiful board, I will be stalking its progress  ;D

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 10:49:33 »
As a 65%/75% split user, I'm very interested in this!  As it is now, I'm likely to pick up 2 of these.  My one suggestion is to somehow add one more key to the upper-left area, so I don't have remap ESC/` key to Capslock.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 11:49:43 »
I'm down.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 11:53:49 »
ISO support would be amazing

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 13:08:06 »
Alps support, at least on the pcb, would be great.  Alps plates would be icing on the cake, but I see there are many issues with plates that make a universal one impossible...

Split backspace?

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 13:38:41 »
Interested!

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 13:57:28 »
Noice.  Gimme.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 14:53:58 »
So nice! This board is on the top of my wishlist!

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 15:09:30 »
I will definitely keep an eye on this board.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 16:32:05 »
Amazing. Was in for the Fusion 60 and I'm interested in this as well. Filled out form!

Offline Sylanthra

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 17:17:15 »
Either of the other two designs would have been way better. This is too close to Alice.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 18:47:51 »
The tilt negates any ergonomic gains from the keys being angled.

Make the case tilt the other way and I'd be interested.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 19:07:08 »
Interested to see gasket mount / half plate / polycarb half plate


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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 19:08:42 »
gimme gimme
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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 19:51:16 »
Would love to get this.
Is this going to have a max order like the Fusion?

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 19:59:40 »
Would love to get this.
Is this going to have a max order like the Fusion?

there is no max order for this one.. Fusion60 only have max order for the first round, the second round of fusion60 will not.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 20:07:07 »
Would love to get this.
Is this going to have a max order like the Fusion?

there is no max order for this one.. Fusion60 only have max order for the first round, the second round of fusion60 will not.

That's awesome! I am so in for this keyboard.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 20:52:38 »
Looks good, just wish it had a key to the left of the arrow keys for symmetry

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 30 January 2019, 23:37:55 »
macro column (s) on the left would be perfect.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 06:58:26 »
macro column (s) on the left would be perfect.

Even just a single column on the left would be great. 

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 31 January 2019, 11:56:18 »
I would like to see an added key on the right bottom row to balance out the WKL blocker

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 06:13:22 »
I'm an ISO guy, but for once I do not agree with people wanting ISO on this; it just wouldn't look good imho because of the case design (that sort of step cutout for each row).

I, however, agree with ODIN's comment, I would like one more key on the right bottom row.

I'll probably get one anyway, missed the Alice and that is going for way too much right now. Do you have a price estimate on this? even something really vague would do :)

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 07:31:12 »
Thank you very much for your inputs and suggestion, from what i got so far i made some adjustment to the design.. what do you think?




I would like to see an added key on the right bottom row to balance out the WKL blocker

You mean like this?


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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 07:34:31 »
I love this and I hope to get one. all the best. :)

usb-c too pls!
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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 07:44:39 »
Thank you very much for your inputs and suggestion, from what i got so far i made some adjustment to the design.. what do you think?

Show Image

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I would like to see an added key on the right bottom row to balance out the WKL blocker

You mean like this?

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yes :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 07:54:25 »
Thank you very much for your inputs and suggestion, from what i got so far i made some adjustment to the design.. what do you think?

Show Image

Show Image


I would like to see an added key on the right bottom row to balance out the WKL blocker

You mean like this?

Show Image

yes :thumb:

uh, would it be better if the added key size is 1.5u?

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 07:57:26 »


uh, would it be better if the added key size is 1.5u?
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I think that the blocker would be very small


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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 08:02:54 »


uh, would it be better if the added key size is 1.5u?

I think that the blocker would be very small


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I'd argue that 1u key is pretty hard to use.  I'd prefer 1.5u even if the blocker is small.  My 2 cents.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:00:10 »
please add stepped caps lock support

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 21:08:28 »
I agree that the newly added 1u key is too small and would likely be of no use, to me anyways. But I also would dislike how small the blocker would become if the 1u key was made bigger. I say stick with the original layout you had in mind, Vulcan.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 22:36:13 »
Any chance for a negative angle instead of a positive one? The reason I usually avoid ergos like this is because they are not really ergonomic - you still are forced to kink your hands upwards and pinch the nerves and tendons in your wrist. A negative angle would make this a much more attractive board, and not a budget Alice.

Another idea would be a split&tent with the ergo style intact, which would be pretty cool and solve the issue ergonomics.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 01 February 2019, 22:45:42 »
BTW, just realized the bottom right row (N, M, , .) is shifted by one key.
That's no go for me...  :-[

[EDIT] maybe the layout is wrong?  it doesn't seem to agree with the plate in the rendering.
« Last Edit: Fri, 01 February 2019, 22:48:50 by OracleKev »

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 16:56:51 »


Any chance for a negative angle instead of a positive one? The reason I usually avoid ergos like this is because they are not really ergonomic - you still are forced to kink your hands upwards and pinch the nerves and tendons in your wrist. A negative angle would make this a much more attractive board, and not a budget Alice.

Another idea would be a split&tent with the ergo style intact, which would be pretty cool and solve the issue ergonomics.

Negative angle? I dont understand, can you give me picture or drawing?

Yea a split would be nice hmm.. I ll try.. thank you very much for your advice

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 17:01:05 »
BTW, just realized the bottom right row (N, M, , .) is shifted by one key.
That's no go for me...  :-[

[EDIT] maybe the layout is wrong?  it doesn't seem to agree with the plate in the rendering.
But isnt that the default layout for HHKB and other 60% keyboard? If the FN are in the left side of the shift wouldnt that be weird?

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 17:05:59 »
No, the layout is wrong. It should be;
FN - N - M - , - . - shift

Can totally undertand where OracleKev is coming from.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 19:33:32 »


Any chance for a negative angle instead of a positive one? The reason I usually avoid ergos like this is because they are not really ergonomic - you still are forced to kink your hands upwards and pinch the nerves and tendons in your wrist. A negative angle would make this a much more attractive board, and not a budget Alice.

Another idea would be a split&tent with the ergo style intact, which would be pretty cool and solve the issue ergonomics.

Negative angle? I dont understand, can you give me picture or drawing?

Yea a split would be nice hmm.. I ll try.. thank you very much for your advice

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ideally, you want your hands facing inwards and at a negative angle like this:
http://i.imgur.com/oXvfizT.jpg

Of course, I would seek to improve upon that by adding space in the middle so your arms would be at resting position as well, hence the idea for a split ergo board. The split allows rotational tilt via tenting (VEA for example) for further improved ergonomics.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 02 February 2019, 21:03:00 »
No, the layout is wrong. It should be;
FN - N - M - , - . - shift

Can totally undertand where OracleKev is coming from.

Yeap.

FN N M , . / RShift

If it's not easy to understand, look at EM7 or Alice.
Strangely, the plate in the rendering looks right.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 01:04:14 »
Here's my take on the TGR Alice / EM7 inspired layout (middle omitted)



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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #43 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:14:36 »
Yeah I agree with the previous guys.

If you look at a normal keyboard and at the TGR Alice, the N M , . / are shifted over to the right.
Vulcan your keymap shows them shifted to the left one column.

If you swapped the Shift and FN key then it we could have the row look like FN - N - M - , - . - Shift.
This should be the correct layout for a normal keyboard and for layouts similar to the TGR Alice.

The TGR Alice has an extra key on that row but the arrow keys in the Majapahit take up the space for that FN to the right of the shift.

 

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #44 on: Sun, 03 February 2019, 14:20:24 »
Having a second B for ergonomic keyboards is a good feature.

Consider USB-C.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 11:05:37 »
I prefer this layout to the Alice.

I don't find the added R Ctrl all that useful, but :shrug:

+1 split backspace

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:58:10 »
I'd personally be very interested in an LZ Ergo type layout as I think that is incredibly functional and looks great too (granted that this isn't going to have an F-row / the entire right cluster).

I also agree on having the 'b' key exist on both sides and the "nm" row needs to be shifted to the right such that the 'n' falls below/between 'h' and 'j'.
I also don't think the right shift needs to be split.
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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 13:24:20 »
I'm really digging this setup.  I have an LZ Ergo and think this is the perfect way to minimize it.  Alice goes too small for me.  All I use my F-row for is artisans anyways.

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 04 February 2019, 13:42:52 »
I prefer the b to be only on one site

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Re: [IC] Majapahit Ergo Keyboard
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 08 February 2019, 16:38:42 »
Filled the IC form. Really interested  :thumb: