Author Topic: Realforce Topre 87u vs. Filco Brown? (Read 32794 times)

typo · « **Reply #50 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 04:08:49 »

i actually prefer the mx blue. the topre is more comparable to the mx brown? if that is so, the topre may not be for me.

i think what sets the topre apart is the overall quality of the entire board. it is a shame that mx switches are rated 50 million and there are no ultra high quality boards using them. that i know of. that includes the filco imo. the filco has better qc than the others but it is still a cheaply made board imo. cherrys own boards have become very cheaply made from what i see.

edit: i just read this whole post. i am guessing the keytronics thread may be correct. the keytronics is the cream of the crop of rubber domes. i wonder how close it feels to a topre. the topre is actually a rubber dome from what i understand. the keytronics is $10. i see that posters point. nonetheless that is not what i like. if a topre is like a good rubber dome i would not like it most likely. i like everything about cherry blues.

washuai · « **Reply #51 on:** Sun, 04 July 2010, 06:53:41 »

Typo - yea, if cherry browns aren't for you, then the quieter, smoother Topre doesn't sound like your thing.

First of all, the KeyTronic, particularly the Designer P2 model - new at least - is not $10 - even excluding tax and shipping. The forces and quality of the KeyTronic are not in the ball park of the Topre. Ripster said maybe 66% similar feel. Which if you're doing the math, means that maybe by that scale, you believe a Topre should cost $168. To account for imports, quality, no peers - oh yea, wait there are $300 cherry browns - Kinesis. Yes, a Topre is a rubber dome, but the sliders, materials, etc. don't make them feel that much the same.
Unless you're one of the folks who feels the only difference between cherry browns and a rubber dome is that cherry browns are clicky and don't land into sponge.

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #52 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 12:29:18 »

Quote from: ripster;183131

The real question is whether the OP will be happy 10 years from now saying.... "I wonder what the good feeling of cup rubber is?" and not knowing the answer.

Curiosity is what made me buy so many keyboards last year. I just wanted to find out for myself what this or that keyboard feel like and sound like. I still have to try a plate-mounted blue Cherry keyboard. After that, I'll be done. But this is not a priority for now.

lmnop · « **Reply #53 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:06:16 »

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;201017

Curiosity is what made me buy so many keyboards last year. I just wanted to find out for myself what this or that keyboard feel like and sound like. I still have to try a plate-mounted blue Cherry keyboard. After that, I'll be done. But this is not a priority for now.

Das are available locally and cheaper.

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #54 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:14:32 »

Quote from: lmnop;201110

Das are available locally and cheaper.

It's not that much cheaper in Canada. I also like the Filco look better.

lmnop · « **Reply #55 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:15:48 »

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;201112

It's not that much cheaper in Canada. I also like the Filco look better.

have you ordered from elitekeyboards before?

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #56 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:17:20 »

Quote from: lmnop;201113

have you ordered from elitekeyboards before?

Yes, I have. I bought a Filco with brown Cherry and a Topre 103UB. I have only good things to say about elitekeyboards.com. The service was very good.

lmnop · « **Reply #57 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:20:01 »

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;201115

Yes, I have. I bought a Filco with brown Cherry and a Topre 103UB. I have only good things to say about elitekeyboards.com. The service was very good.

how much did you pay? because a canadian member at OCN paid $170 CAD + $40 CAD for customs. I think that is too much.

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #58 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:30:59 »

Quote from: lmnop;201116

how much did you pay? because a canadian member at OCN paid $170 CAD + $40 CAD for customs. I think that is too much.

I think the whole thing cost me about CDN$ 170-180 for a Filco. That said, I did not get the one with N-Key rollover.

lmnop · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:32:53 »

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;201119

I think the whole thing cost me about CDN$ 170-180 for a Filco. That said, I did not get the one with N-Key rollover.

you can buy a Das Model S Professional or Ultimate for $120.26 CAD ($116 USD) shipped. if you are willing to pay $210 CAD for a Filco Majestouch Tactile Click you need to take me out on a date

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:48:01 »

Quote from: lmnop;201120

you can buy a Das Model S Professional or Ultimate for $120.26 CAD ($116 USD) shipped. if you are willing to pay $210 CAD for a Filco Majestouch Tactile Click you need to take me out on a date

No, I'm not taking you on a date. I'm already married to a beautiful wife who gave me a beautiful daughter:-) I think you misunderstood me. My Filco cost me $170 incuding shipping and custom fees. I was not willing to take any risk with a Das (many have complained about it) and I really wanted a Filco. I already knew what a Filco would be in terms of footprint before buying it since I also have an ABS M1.

lmnop · « **Reply #61 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 19:57:15 »

see it works out I am italian you can have a mistress

there is nothing wrong with the Das Model S so don't try and sell that to me. it's widely available, cheaper, 30 day return policy and promotional discounts Metadot even gives out review samples. I think it's a better choice because it has laser etched printing, optional USB 2.0 hub and a longer USB cable.

EverythingIBM · « **Reply #62 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 23:57:02 »

Quote from: ripster;201171

I'm still amazed Welly hasn't returned his Das Model S yet.

It hasn't been 30 days yet though.

AND it's SHINEY!!!!
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lmnop · « **Reply #63 on:** Fri, 09 July 2010, 23:58:54 »

Quote from: ripster;201171

I'm still amazed Welly hasn't returned his Das Model S yet.

It hasn't been 30 days yet though.

AND it's SHINEY!!!!
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if I make you a sandwich will you watch Stargate? turkey sandwhich made of wheat sourdough, smoked gouda, tomato, pesto and roasted red peppers.

if that doesn't work I have plan b. i'll lay down some Canadian Bacon next to my 52" Panasonic Plasma lol

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #64 on:** Mon, 12 July 2010, 19:23:15 »

Quote from: phototristan;185615

EDIT -I found out that you don't need a third party driver under OSX if you assign the caps lock key to 'option'. For some odd reason, the Realforce cannot have the ALT key and the Windows key both assigned using the OSX keyboard preference pane (on all other keyboards I've tried this works fine), it's one or the other. So, I have ALT assigned to Command and CAPS Lock assigned to Option. The Control key remains Control.

-I have not been successful getting the QWERTY numpad to work at all.

That's weird. I have the Realforce 103 UB and I have the Alt key assigned to Command and I have the Windows key assigned to Option.

ricercar · « **Reply #65 on:** Mon, 12 July 2010, 19:46:10 »

Quote from: patrickgeekhack;202096

T Alt key assigned to Command and I have the Windows key assigned to Option.

By default, is
-- ALT = Option
-- control = control
?
That's how most mac-labeled keyboards work on my Windows hardware.

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #66 on:** Mon, 12 July 2010, 19:49:04 »

Quote from: ricercar;202110

By default, is
-- ALT = Option
-- control = control
?
That's how most mac-labeled keyboards work on my Windows hardware.

By default, the Alt key = Option and the Windows key = Command. Control stays the same.

phototristan · « **Reply #67 on:** Tue, 03 August 2010, 16:53:03 »

So I ended up selling the RealForce Topre. I liked it a lot but just couldn't get used to not being able to see the lettering on the number keys. I found I kept making numerical errors and had one too many of those. I'm sure I could have gotten better and better with that over time, but don't have the patience.

Also, I feel it's way expensive for a keyboard but I was able to sell it for what I bought it for!

I'll probably look to getting a Majestouch Cherry Brown tenkeyless to replace it soon (for like half the price of the Reaforce). But for now, it's back to the good ol Model M Space Saving for my daily driver.

phototristan · « **Reply #68 on:** Wed, 04 August 2010, 23:10:29 »

Or maybe I'll buy a White Realforce Topre. I can't decided. That would solve the issue of not being able to see the lettering well though...

phototristan · « **Reply #69 on:** Mon, 25 October 2010, 19:16:38 »

I missed the RealForce too much so just ordered the 86U in White!

ynih · « **Reply #70 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 03:59:18 »

Wow, reading this is like reading a bad-relationship, in and out, in and out. haha. but I'm glad you picked up another Topre in the end. I think it's definitely an acquired taste.

When I first got mine, I tried to find, real/practical reasons to justify spending that much on a rubber dome. When I finally decided to sell it, I shelf'd it for a week and at the end of the week, I came back to my Topre wanting more. I've decided to give it some more time before making more rash decisions.

By the way, my daily driver used to be Model M 1390131, so I know how that feeling is. But after forcing myself to use my Topre day and night for a week straight, when I touch my Model M, I can feel my fingers getting tired. This made me realize how how beautiful my Topre is and how unique the feeling is. Truly, like no other.

panda-R · « **Reply #71 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 08:52:06 »

Quote from: ynih;267679

When I first got mine, I tried to find, real/practical reasons to justify spending that much on a rubber dome.

OH NO You DIDN'T JUST CALL IT A RUBBER DOME!

db_Iodine · « **Reply #72 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 09:26:50 »

Quote from: ripster;267744

Sure FEELS like a rubber dome. Almost clunky compared to the lively snap of a Brown Cherry.

I was visiting Verkkokauppa.com (Finnish Topre dealer) again for some last minute Christmas shopping, and tried the variable weight Topres there. It came to my mind why I haven't bought a Topre so far. Sure it feels relaxing to type on one, but at the same time it's somehow boring. I'm sorry if I hurt any Topre fans here. I guess I'm not gonna buy any Realforces any time soon, even tho I was planning on buying one. I'll just order an Unicomp Spacesaver instead.

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #73 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 09:27:34 »

Quote from: ripster;267744

takes a while to get them warmed up.

woody · « **Reply #74 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 09:32:32 »

Quote from: db_Iodine;267753

I guess I'm not gonna buy any Realforces any time soon, even tho I was planning on buying one. I'll just order an Unicomp Spacesaver instead.

That's what club 30+ do.

panda-R · « **Reply #75 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 09:53:12 »

wow I can't believe my super expensive Topre feels just like a glorified rubber dome. For the price I paid i was expecting atmospheric reentry without any addition accessories.

msiegel · « **Reply #76 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 10:42:00 »

tsk, you think they can just give away heat shields for free?

panda-R · « **Reply #77 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 12:59:19 »

I need to work on my interpersonal human communication skills. Also on topic, my rubber dome is awesome!

BlueRain · « **Reply #78 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 13:35:28 »

Quote from: panda-R;267880

I need to work on my interpersonal human communication skills. Also on topic, my rubber dome is awesome!

I don't think Panda-to-Person counts as interpersonal, it's more... beastial.

woody · « **Reply #79 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 13:36:38 »

Hmm .... intrapersonal?

panda-R · « **Reply #80 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 17:39:02 »

i'm dehyping the topre so noone will buy them and such topre will be forced to liquidate their stock to me for freeeeeee.

panda-R · « **Reply #81 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 19:34:43 »

down with the canadians!

patrickgeekhack · « **Reply #82 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 19:49:52 »

Quote from: ripster;267757

HaHa. After an hour I'm warming up to my Topre. No bull.

Sometimes, after having used my Topre for quite some time, I start to take it for granted. Then, I'll move to a different keyboard. When I use my Topre again, it becomes apparent why it's different from other rubber dome keyboards. Is it worth the price I paid? No, I don't think so. Is it a good keyboard though? It's a very good keyboard.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #83 on:** Thu, 23 December 2010, 20:09:39 »

I've found that I personally prefer Topre to buckling spring, cherry brown and black & white alps. Still curious about cherry blues though. I just have a feeling I won't like the loudness. Part of what I love about Topres is their sound.

ktkr · « **Reply #84 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:05:08 »

Not only Topre beat Filco in the quality department hands down, the Topre switches absolutely destroy browns. I just don't get their popularity, I guess I'm in the minority.

stuiees · « **Reply #85 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:47:17 »

Quote from: ktkr;268199

Not only Topre beat Filco in the quality department hands down, the Topre switches absolutely destroy browns. I just don't get their popularity, I guess I'm in the minority.

I also love the Topre switch after trying it along side with the Filco cherry brown. It feels so much more refined. As always noted it comes down to personal preference; but if you can afford it, I would say give Topre a chance. I did and I love them.

woody · « **Reply #86 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 03:54:42 »

I wonder what the Filco's price would've been if it was manufactured in Japan. I bet more than Realforce's.

stuiees · « **Reply #87 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 04:57:54 »

Quote from: woody;268213

I wonder what the Filco's price would've been if it was manufactured in Japan. I bet more than Realforce's.

I bet it would be a much nicer version of the Filco we all know and love today. Imagine if Sony cared as much about their keyboard as they do their T.V.'s. We would have some new cool technology upgrade every year. Too bad that is not the case.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #88 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 08:10:25 »

I think we're going to need another favorite switch poll soon! Sounds like we have some new Topre lovers here! Eat your heart out, Cherry!

db_Iodine · « **Reply #89 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 08:13:00 »

A few new voters won't get Topre higher than the 4th place it had on the last poll.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #90 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 08:16:36 »

I don't trust GeekHackers with dead baby fetishes.

Minskleip · « **Reply #91 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 08:27:06 »

Quote from: panda-R;267769

wow I can't believe my super expensive Topre feels just like a glorified rubber dome. For the price I paid i was expecting atmospheric reentry without any addition accessories.

You know why the price is high if reentry is atmospheric.

jaynoon · « **Reply #92 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 14:21:48 »

My first impression of my HHKB was not good after I'd been on my Filco Brown board for a month or so. It felt sort of fatiguing, I wasn't "riding the bump" very well, etc... But given that I'd just spent a large sum of money on a keyboard, I decided to hang in there and give it a fair chance.

Now I'm getting ready to put my Filco Brown up on the classifieds to help subsidize the Realforce 86UB that I bought. So I guess put me down for Topre.

SpatiallyAware · « **Reply #93 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 16:54:56 »

The only thing that bothers me is not being able to get an all 45g board... Cherry blacks are too stiff, so the all 55g worries me, but then the 30g pinky.. bleh.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #94 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 16:58:16 »

Quote from: jaynoon;268356

I wasn't "riding the bump" very well, etc...

Whenever you're riding the bump, you gotta do it well. At least that's what I tell the ladies.

jaynoon · « **Reply #95 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 17:25:58 »

When riding the bump, you must take caution to ride it right.

isp · « **Reply #96 on:** Fri, 24 December 2010, 17:28:45 »

What "riding the bump" may look like:

YMMV.

db_Iodine · « **Reply #97 on:** Sat, 25 December 2010, 03:24:19 »

Quote from: isp;268438

What "riding the bump" may look like:

YMMV.

That's how you would like it to look.

This is how it's more likely going to look:

ironman31 · « **Reply #98 on:** Sat, 25 December 2010, 10:16:46 »

Quote from: SpatiallyAware;268429

The only thing that bothers me is not being able to get an all 45g board... Cherry blacks are too stiff, so the all 55g worries me, but then the 30g pinky.. bleh.

You can get one. Just might be a bit more expensive than you are wanting to spend

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=795

SpatiallyAware · « **Reply #99 on:** Sat, 25 December 2010, 13:07:46 »

Quote from: ironman31;268677

You can get one. Just might be a bit more expensive than you are wanting to spend

http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=795

I'd have to pass based on the crazy spacebar.

I'm not going to even talk about the color lol

The most likely scenario for me to get a topre is 'gamble' on the 55g (possibly being too heavy) in which case I'd have to sell, purchase a variable weight and then ripster mod the pinkys. IE A lot of work.

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Author Topic: Realforce Topre 87u vs. Filco Brown? (Read 32794 times)

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