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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #50 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 05:16:04 »
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Wow.  That does not look like any controller or case I've ever seen from IBM.  Looks like a 42H/Unicomp main assembly though.  I like the Swiss cheese LED cutouts.


Nope. In the 42H, the controller slots directly into the assembly... That's nothing like IBM ever made, and if IBM made it, why would they bother designing such a completely different case/internals for AT&T?

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« Reply #51 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 07:39:28 »
I still think AT&T may have licensed the technology and built their own.


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« Reply #52 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 07:57:50 »
That, and the AT&T folks seemed to have had a real affinity for IBM stuff back then.  Maybe it was just an attempt to build a better M.  I, for one, like it a lot.  I might keep my eye on eBay for one at some point.


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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 08:08:39 »
I would really like to know if the resistance is the same on the keys as a Model M or if it's different.
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« Reply #54 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 08:16:28 »
That PCB looks a little like a breadboard. :p


Someone said something about a special jack earlier. Maybe they needed a special controller for whatever machine this was hooked up to?
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« Reply #55 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 11:15:26 »
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AT&T ... just Bell South in drag.


Actually there are two baby bells under the covers now. 'Bell South in Drag' was bought by Cingular, which had previously bought Pacific Bell. I'd be SOOOO amused if they also bought Northwestern Bell and Bell Atlantic.
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« Reply #56 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 13:11:47 »
Used to work in those buildings after they were SGI and before they were Google. Really hard to play ping pong under a metal roof in the rain. Audio cues are pretty much required.
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« Reply #57 on: Wed, 19 May 2010, 14:05:21 »
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AT&T got this patent in '89 for a quieted buckling spring keyswitch mechanism.


Maybe they used that patent after all...

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« Reply #58 on: Thu, 20 May 2010, 15:56:40 »
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It's going to be the same. Of course, BS are quite hard to accurately measure so the best thing here is to pop it open and see what's inside.
When measuring, I try to apply some good old-fashioned dithering to make the springs buckle more consistently. The friction in the keycaps would otherwise cause to much variation.
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« Reply #59 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 11:17:19 »
Hey guys, I have one of these at&t boards.  This one is pretty dirty and it's missing 3 keycaps.  Sadly, model m keycaps to fin on it, but the color and print are different, so I would have to replace them all.

Mine is a bit different than the OP's, in that the barrels are actually white instead of black.

It is, without a doubt, quieter than any of my other M's, Are there any measurements or photos anyone would like?
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« Reply #60 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 11:49:42 »
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I would really like to know if the resistance is the same on the keys as a Model M or if it's different.


I measure it at 65g
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« Reply #61 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 14:34:40 »
4 images attached, notice the funky retractable legs.
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« Reply #62 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 14:39:00 »
I would love to know the story behind these.


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« Reply #63 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 14:44:00 »
You can also open them up with a regular Philips head screwdriver.

I popped off the right alt key, and the spring went flying into the air, and now I can't find it :( (Was looking to see if they followed through on their patent)
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« Reply #64 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 14:47:00 »
Is there a better shot of the label somewhere?

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« Reply #65 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 14:54:26 »
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Is there a better shot of the label somewhere?


Here you go, attached.

Btw there is no insert in the springs- it's normal buckling spring.  But definitely quieter.
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« Reply #66 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 14:59:48 »

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« Reply #67 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 15:00:20 »
That ebay one is a serial connector.  The one I have is PS2 and works fine in a PC.
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« Reply #68 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 15:08:29 »
Only four pins of the serial plug is used. Probably AT/PS/2 with a different connector for vendor lock-in.

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« Reply #69 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 15:43:07 »
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Here's a cheap one.


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« Reply #70 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 15:55:00 »
FCC IDs always point at the original manufacturer as opposed to the company that OEM'd it, right?

Apparently these things were made by Alcatel-Lucent.

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« Reply #71 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 16:37:55 »
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FCC IDs always point at the original manufacturer as opposed to the company that OEM'd it, right?

Apparently these things were made by Alcatel-Lucent.


The old AT&T Technologies is now part of Alcatel-Lucent.

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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 16:59:12 »
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Knowing AT&T they probably threatened to sue IBM if they didn't cough up a few thousand Model M internals for them to put in new cases for some ill fated PC.   Still, the custom controller thing is really odd.

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« Reply #73 on: Mon, 16 August 2010, 16:59:55 »
I want one of those computers.
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