Author Topic: A sad day in Filco Ninja Land (Read 96153 times)

keyboardlover · « **Reply #100 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 12:23:34 »

@redpill, it's not about like, it's about money. Don't you know how Ripster makes a living???

We are creating a potential dent in his Filco commissions.

No WONDER he got so upset when I said Filco might be scaling back.

redpill · « **Reply #101 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 12:37:46 »

I didn't realize ripster's financial future was also wrapped up in this. I feel kind of bad then, I'll try not to listen to the pinging.

And to think all of this is happening on FRIDAY!

keyboardlover · « **Reply #102 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 12:38:36 »

Source 1 is the only serious one. The rest are lulz.

sordna · « **Reply #103 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 12:43:18 »

Ripster, seriously, what do you do for a living?

redpill · « **Reply #104 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 12:45:18 »

Well I updated my signature. I consider it a rare special edition. The MajesPing-2.

penpoints · « **Reply #105 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 12:45:19 »

Quote from: sordna;358517

Nope quite. I can get my kinesis boards to ping, and they have no metal plates. The switch innards do the ping, the rest of the keyboard just happens to transmit/amplify the sound.

I think the metal plate makes it sound worse than your reverberating plastic (whatever that is).

After spending $149.00 on a brand-new keyboard, one would expect it to "just work" - straight out of the box. Most manufacturers and dealers would agree with this.

I think if an expert opened up these loudly pinging keyboards, they could see exactly what was causing this. But it's kind of pointless to speculate.

Quote from: sordna;358517

If it's loud and sustains I can see it getting annoying. I would call it undesirable spring behavior, but probably not a defect, because Filco, Leopold, Kinesis, etc didn't do something wrong. I would hate to punish the manufacturer by returning a fine product, for something that is really happenstance and not their wrongdoing. [...]

Okay, then we agree! I'm not going to sue them, I'd just like a refund. :music:

Surly73 · « **Reply #106 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:10:32 »

Quote from: redpill;358373

Every time I see a Porsche with an auto trans it makes me want to cry!

Well, apparently starting with the 996TT the tiptronic was actually really good. That doesn't mean I want one though

Surly73 · « **Reply #107 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:11:45 »

Quote from: ripster;358407

We really should stick to the topic at hand.

Wait, what? Is that the pot calling the kettle black?

redpill · « **Reply #108 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:12:37 »

Do one of the wikis have some good up close shots of what a Gen1 looks like outside of its case? I'm wondering if there are some noticeable differences in the way the switches are mounted.

alaricljs · « **Reply #109 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:27:39 »

I have a gen 1 in front of me that is de-cased... typing on it even. What could you possible want to see a picture of? 1: the PCB is single sided unlike the gen2. 2: the plate is only attached directly to the keys, however the top and bottom lip rest on tabs inside the case bottom and it appears the PCB does not touch anything within the case. 3: the top frame has 3 screws holding the 2 case halves together via holes between the Fn and number rows effectively mating the plate to the case. the frame also has a lip around every opening that presses against the plate when mated to the case bottom.

penpoints · « **Reply #110 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:29:04 »

Quote from: ripster;358540

I'm glad we all agree it's not a Filco defect. That would be a Sad Day In Filco Ninja Land. I call it an Anomaly Common To Spring Based Switches Especially When Mounted On Metal Plates But Also On PCBs.

But I do think it's a Filco defect.

I was agreeing with this part: "If it's loud and sustains I can see it getting annoying. I would call it undesirable spring behavior..." - except I think it's the mounting, not the spring, that's causing the problem.

redpill · « **Reply #111 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:30:45 »

Quote from: ripster;358559

That's nice.

You keep believing that.

Why are you actively trying to discredit people? Pure Filco fanboyism?

The ping is a B flat by the way.

redpill · « **Reply #112 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:35:06 »

I'll sell you mine, but I'm charging a premium since apparently these are exceedingly rare.

redpill · « **Reply #113 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:04:09 »

Quote from: ripster;358578

BTW Redpill posted the solution here.

Paper towels.

It was a test, not a solution. It addressed the symptom, not the cause. I'm not above stuffing my keycaps with paper towel bits if I have to, but I'm going to do that I might as well wait for my engraved keycaps first.

Quote from: ripster;358578

Redpill, you really should stop trolling me. You are really bad at it.

Wallach · « **Reply #114 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:12:06 »

Quote from: ripster;358590

That reminds me.

Was anyone surprised last night that white men INDEED can jump?

I'm not sure if anyone was as surprised as the Heat.

redpill · « **Reply #115 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:13:25 »

lol in that pic Chris Bosh looks like he just found out his puppy died.

fds · « **Reply #116 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:41:41 »

Ok guys, ninja with browns just arrived and I'm typing on it right now. I have no clue what you all are going on about this "pinging" noise. The only thing even slightly resembling a "ping" that I hear is a sort of squeaky or springy noise from certain keys. You can hear the noise I'm talking about if you listen to the backspace key at :40s in the video ripster posted. The only keys that do it for me are some of the bigger ones like + and Enter in the numpad. Even so, the noise I'm describing I consider completely normal. The spacebar on my majestouch-1 with blacks and leopold with browns made the same sort of squeaky/springy noise.

Overall this board has a softer and quieter feel to it than the leopold. I will record a video or at the very least a sound sample when I get a hold of the camera later tonight. I seriously think OP is just trolling though.

redpill · « **Reply #117 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:46:32 »

Quote from: fds;358598

I seriously think OP is just trolling though.

Just because your keyboard doesn't have the same issue doesn't mean others are trolling or lying.

That would be like me claiming you are an alternate forum account for Ripster.

redpill · « **Reply #118 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:11:12 »

The only thing I put on Youtube is my Golden Tee Live Great Shots

cromartie · « **Reply #119 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:11:48 »

Just wanted to report that my BW does ping too if I listen closely. While I can hear it on the majority of the keys, it's most prominent on the up arrow key. of course considering BW has blue clicky switches, the pinging is hardly noticeable to my ears.

Lester · « **Reply #120 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:12:49 »

Im getting annoyed only by looking at the video's, does anyone know if Ducky 9008 browns have this problem?

Lester · « **Reply #121 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:30:51 »

Quote from: ripster;358628

Not sure.

Have you heard of the Quacked Ducky problem?

Ducky's quack, can't see how can you find a problem?!

canon.tk · « **Reply #122 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:39:32 »

This stuff is just turning into FUD. Soon the forms will be rampant with people crying don't buy Filco. Go Deck or Ducky. Razer sales will probably start to rise.

morethanless · « **Reply #123 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:45:20 »

This really makes my reluctant buying a Filco.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #124 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:58:58 »

Quote from: ripster;358639

Cherry Corps Ping too.

Neither of mine do. I'm pretty sure you still don't understand what we're talking about here.

Actually it's really not so much a "ping" as a "ringing".

nolo · « **Reply #125 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:08:19 »

FUD alert!

It looks a bit like that we have a "ping mass hysteria" out there.

[video=youtube;nNvZduvwfMA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNvZduvwfMA[/video]
Maybe this is the solution

keyboardlover · « **Reply #126 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:12:17 »

Hahaha wow. You ARE pissed!

Deep breaths Ripster, deep breaths.

Say it with me now: goosfraba

goosfraba

goosfraba

Lanx · « **Reply #127 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:39:02 »

so do the resonance only happen with filco plate mounted or any plate mounted? i could hear the resonance with the filco but not the others. Maybe it's that thing where as you get older you cannot hear certain frequencies, like the mosquito ringtone.

http://www.freemosquitoringtones.org/hearing_test/

redpill · « **Reply #128 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:54:52 »

Did I mention it was a B♭? Wasn't expecting to hear a B♭ either, just some nice Cherry Brown clicks. Yet then I hear a B♭. Does my mind think I should be hearing a B♭ when I press a cherry brown key? Wonder why it doesn't think so on my KBC Poker then.

Surly73 · « **Reply #129 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:55:15 »

Are we agreed that #156 is what we're talking about?

Now that I've heard a sample I can hear that from my MJ-1 tenkeyless w/ Browns if I put my ear to it. From pretty much every key I'd say. But I had to hear the example first to really pick it out.

To me that suggests that the noise is there from the Cherry switches, probably on all of them, but it is picked up and/or accentuated differently by some kind of assembly difference on individual boards.

nolo · « **Reply #130 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:56:06 »

I have two FKBN88M/*2, one FKBN88MC/GRB2, one FKBN87M/EB and one FKBN87MC/EB. I haven't noticed any ping so far. IMHO Filco do not disappoint.

Wallach · « **Reply #131 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:01:25 »

Quote from: Surly73;358695

Are we agreed that #156 is what we're talking about?

Now that I've heard a sample I can hear that from my MJ-1 tenkeyless w/ Browns if I put my ear to it. From pretty much every key I'd say. But I had to hear the example first to really pick it out.

To me that suggests that the noise is there from the Cherry switches, probably on all of them, but it is picked up and/or accentuated differently by some kind of assembly difference on individual boards.

In my case, it was similar yeah, just quite a bit louder on a couple of the keys (Backspace in particular). I'd be inclined to agree it is more likely a Cherry issue than a Filco issue. Majestouch mentioned in another thread that he'd heard more issues with this kind of switch noise with browns more than other Cherry switches for whatever reason. I can't imagine it is really a widespread problem, honestly.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #132 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:12:30 »

Sorry about your commissions.

At least you still have AAPL.

redpill · « **Reply #133 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:14:54 »

Made a video of it, sound ain't great but what do you want from an iphone

[video=youtube;FODqOs5oPv0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FODqOs5oPv0[/video]

morethanless · « **Reply #134 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:23:38 »

That (#190) is definitely the noise I heard on the PCB mounted try board.
And I only heard it on mx browns.
I think it comes from the spring and the metal plate amplifies it.

It sounds similar to these [video=youtube;CJnAbPrmJNA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJnAbPrmJNA[/video]

redpill · « **Reply #135 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:23:51 »

Quote from: ripster;358716

Damn dude, you should RMA that one.

Or type differently.

RMA, what fun is that? I'm going to figure out how to fix it.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #136 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:26:48 »

Whatever helps you sleep tonight.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #137 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:29:28 »

Yet so many folks have noticed it...

redpill · « **Reply #138 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:48:31 »

Quote from: ripster;358727

I still think it's in your head.

Must be a mass delusion, then?

Example

Example

Example

Wallach · « **Reply #139 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:50:25 »

Quote from: redpill;358738

Must be a mass delusion, then?

Example

Example

Example

I like the suggestion from VR Zone. I bet at least he felt better afterward.

nolo · « **Reply #140 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 17:54:30 »

Quote from: redpill;358712

Made a video of it, sound ain't great but what do you want from an iphone

Just the sound of world domination at your fingertips

Btw ... i prefer touch-typing.

redpill · « **Reply #141 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:02:34 »

You didn't nail anything, you just consistently deny the issue no matter how many times it comes up. Not something to be proud of, even as a shameless fanboi.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #142 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:05:24 »

In order to be considered the #1 keyboard expert you have to tell people you are constantly. You also have to always be right.

Psychology.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:13:31 »

Can't see it. I'm on tapatalk.

Dox · « **Reply #144 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:13:34 »

Quote from: ripster;358748

This better?

Damn, iMav sure allows big Sig Pics.

The average length of a page just doubled!

keyboardlover · « **Reply #145 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:15:12 »

Quote from: keyboardlover;358750

Can't see it. I'm on tapatalk.

Lol...he tried to troll me and failed.

keyboardlover · « **Reply #146 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:25:55 »

So you changed your sig to troll everyone?

What an ego on this guy.

uphillcastle · « **Reply #147 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:37:11 »

Mine pings but **** it.

uphillcastle · « **Reply #148 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:40:53 »

its the nicest keyboard i ever typed on. My first mechanical. And i like typewriters. Kind of feels old school with that pinging. I gonna grow to Wuv it, methinks, HA!

keyboardlover · « **Reply #149 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 18:41:23 »

Quote from: ripster;358759

I don't like all the color in your sig.

Talk about nitpicking!

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Author Topic: A sad day in Filco Ninja Land (Read 96153 times)