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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16750 on: Fri, 23 July 2021, 16:31:53 »
Can you tell me how Tribosys 3203 and 3204 compares to Krytox 205g0 in terms of thickness? ( I'm looking for an all-purpose lube for tacticles and stabs, but rather on the thin side, to avoid any slightest bit of sluggishness. )
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16751 on: Fri, 23 July 2021, 18:11:44 »
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/epomaker/epomaker-gk96s-96-wireless-mechanical-keyboard?ref=950ief

Is this keyboard buyable? Availability seems not clear on the site
The kickstarter ended last year but there's a bright green "order now" button at the top that takes you to a website with a buy button - unless I'm missing something?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16752 on: Wed, 28 July 2021, 12:38:57 »
Hi, Im new to geekhack and looking to build my first keyboard. I've been looking around and I'm pretty sure I know what I'm gonna buy.

Yet, I have one question where I've found nothing about. Some sources say I can't use a Cherry switch opener to open Kailh NK Cream switches and other sources say I can.

Can anyone confirm if I can open a Kailh switch with a cherry switch opener, and if not tell me what to look for?

thanks in advance  :)

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16753 on: Wed, 28 July 2021, 14:01:09 »
Hi, Im new to geekhack and looking to build my first keyboard. I've been looking around and I'm pretty sure I know what I'm gonna buy.

Yet, I have one question where I've found nothing about. Some sources say I can't use a Cherry switch opener to open Kailh NK Cream switches and other sources say I can.

Can anyone confirm if I can open a Kailh switch with a cherry switch opener, and if not tell me what to look for?

thanks in advance  :)

The NovelKeys cream switches look like a cherry housing (narrow dual clips) so you should be able to use that just fine. Kailh switches themselves use a different housing design (single wide clip).

A lot of switch openers have both prongs though, I picked up this one: https://dinokeys.co/products/switch-opener and it's opened up my polia and boba switches so far (I got mine from thockeys, but they don't seem to carry it now). There's a lot of different variants out there to choose from. Glorious, ThocKeys, The Key Company, basically everyone has their own offerings that have both the single thick prong and the two smaller prongs for Kailh/Cherry switches, respectively.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16754 on: Mon, 09 August 2021, 19:44:33 »
Is there a reliable way to create a plate file by scanning an existing plate?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16755 on: Mon, 09 August 2021, 20:01:34 »
Is there a reliable way to create a plate file by scanning an existing plate?

Yup, there is but I don't think it'd be worth the cost unless you know someone with access to a good high res optical scanner and someone familiar enough to take that data and turn it into a CAD file

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16756 on: Tue, 10 August 2021, 08:38:57 »
Is there a reliable way to create a plate file by scanning an existing plate?
But... What for? Can't you just copy the layout to KLE looking on a plate and generate file in swillkb builder? It seems to be much easier.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16757 on: Thu, 12 August 2021, 07:21:09 »
hey guys im new here, and i was thinking in making a thread but i think my question(s) are not worthy.

So i have a cm masterkeyspro M, and am considering building my first ever custom keyboard, my idea is to build something cheap but with some quality, so my line of thought is:

- Board: Womier/gamakay k87
- keycaps: gmk mizu clones
- switches: akko ocean

my questions here are:
- what other sugestion you have for board, that are worth looking into? (it can be iso or ansi idm either)
- regarding switches, firstly i was thinkin in getting boba u4t, but they are kinda expensive, is it worth the difference? is there any other tactile non mx good option? i wanted somthing heavier than mx browns

thanks in advance for your time

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16758 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 09:12:31 »
What are the best keyboard stabs? Having hard time lately with stabilizers and itís driving me crazy.
Have used Everglide Pandas which are quite good. 
Everglide V1 are not that good, theyíre ticking.
KBDFans PC ones are nice but arenít perfect. 

Should I get Durock/Everglide V2? afaik theyíre the same as V1 just with different housing to prevent wire popping but thatís not a concern to me. 

Wires are balanced, stabs lubed properly, using a switch with minimal wobble.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16759 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 10:59:16 »
hey guys im new here, and i was thinking in making a thread but i think my question(s) are not worthy.

So i have a cm masterkeyspro M, and am considering building my first ever custom keyboard, my idea is to build something cheap but with some quality, so my line of thought is:

- Board: Womier/gamakay k87
- keycaps: gmk mizu clones
- switches: akko ocean

my questions here are:
- what other sugestion you have for board, that are worth looking into? (it can be iso or ansi idm either)
- regarding switches, firstly i was thinkin in getting boba u4t, but they are kinda expensive, is it worth the difference? is there any other tactile non mx good option? i wanted somthing heavier than mx browns

thanks in advance for your time

I'm not exactly familiar with either the Womier or gamakay, which might hint at their quality. That said, I could just be out of the loop.

Generally, my advice when it comes to boards is that you should put money towards the base and build from there. If you buy cheap, you're going to buy twice. Look at a Ducky, Glorious, or KBDFan boards (those tend to be pretty popular) and save purchases like additional key sets and improved switches for later.

As for switches, I'd recommend getting a small number of the U4Ts (switches are usually sold in packs of 10) and testing them for yourself. Maybe even try lubing a few to test the difference. Switches are highly subjective, and your mileage may vary. Personally, it's 100% worth the price, but you may find the Bobas are too tactile or not tactile enough, or too heavy etc.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16760 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 11:07:22 »
Can you tell me how Tribosys 3203 and 3204 compares to Krytox 205g0 in terms of thickness? ( I'm looking for an all-purpose lube for tacticles and stabs, but rather on the thin side, to avoid any slightest bit of sluggishness. )

Kinetic Labs (https://kineticlabs.store/lube) has a good explanation on the qualities of each. I've used 3203 on my tactile switches in the past. I regret not getting 206g0 for my stabs though; 3203/4 can be a bit thin for that application.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16761 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 19:21:10 »
Question, with Kailh hot swap sockets installed, the space between PCB and plate (3.5mm) is not changed by this right? And a plate of 1.6mm (instead of 1.5mm), reduces the inbetween space to 3.4mm, is that correct?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16762 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 01:53:01 »
I have a Leopold FC750R with Cherry Clears. The springs are a little too tough for me, and I'd like to swap them out for springs that are easier to actuate. From what I've read, it's not possible to simply pop the top off the switches on this Leopold due to the plate not having some extra space. Is that true? Is my only option for new springs desoldering?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16763 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 03:00:03 »
Question, with Kailh hot swap sockets installed, the space between PCB and plate (3.5mm) is not changed by this right? And a plate of 1.6mm (instead of 1.5mm), reduces the inbetween space to 3.4mm, is that correct?
Yes - the switch rests on the PCB to make it stable and the lip rests on top of the plate, the distance between the two will not change.  More plate = less gap but make sure they still clip in as without solder they will be easier to knock out.

I have a Leopold FC750R with Cherry Clears. The springs are a little too tough for me, and I'd like to swap them out for springs that are easier to actuate. From what I've read, it's not possible to simply pop the top off the switches on this Leopold due to the plate not having some extra space. Is that true? Is my only option for new springs desoldering?
Sadly this is true, only on some DIY plates where you can see gaps down the side of the switches can you pull the tops off while they're soldered.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16764 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 09:23:27 »
muchas gracias, suicidal orange!

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16765 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 13:38:20 »
Is there a reliable way to create a plate file by scanning an existing plate?
But... What for? Can't you just copy the layout to KLE looking on a plate and generate file in swillkb builder? It seems to be much easier.

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What for?

I have an extra TFV2 brass plate and I would like to try an aluminum plate.  KBDFans had no interest in releasing a plate file or making anything other than brass plates for the TFV2.

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Can't you just copy the layout to KLE looking on a plate and generate file in swillkb builder?

I don't know, I'm not familiar with swillkb builder or KLE.



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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16766 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 13:41:46 »
Is there a reliable way to create a plate file by scanning an existing plate?

Yup, there is but I don't think it'd be worth the cost unless you know someone with access to a good high res optical scanner and someone familiar enough to take that data and turn it into a CAD file

I have a local 3D Printshop, I'll have to ask and see how much it wold cost to scan the plate.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16767 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 15:50:56 »
Thanks, suicidal_orange. I think Iím going to return the Leopold for something that gives me more flexibility. I donít intend to go nuts customizing, but it would be nice to at least have the capability to customize more than just the keycaps.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16768 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 17:54:53 »
How would you compare the height of the Leopold FC660C to the HHKB Hybrid Type-S? Are they the same height?


How would you compare typing feel between FC660C/Type-S? I had a chance to try a brand new HHKB and I didn't really like it. Based on all the positive reviews of the Topre switches, I was expecting a much smoother feel. I didn't like how harsh/rough was the way after actuation to the bottom. It felt like it wasn't well oiled, with sand or broken springs. Maybe the keyboard needs some time for a break-in.


PS. These are two things that stopped me from buying the FC660C for now. I also had the opportunity to try Varmilo on MX Blue and it was an amazing feeling. Also, the lower profile suits me a lot better than the HHKB. I'm thinking about buying Varmilo but still don't want to give up on the Leopold ;)

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16769 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 03:25:12 »
How would you compare the height of the Leopold FC660C to the HHKB Hybrid Type-S? Are they the same height?

How would you compare typing feel between FC660C/Type-S? I had a chance to try a brand new HHKB and I didn't really like it. Based on all the positive reviews of the Topre switches, I was expecting a much smoother feel. I didn't like how harsh/rough was the way after actuation to the bottom. It felt like it wasn't well oiled, with sand or broken springs. Maybe the keyboard needs some time for a break-in.

PS. These are two things that stopped me from buying the FC660C for now. I also had the opportunity to try Varmilo on MX Blue and it was an amazing feeling. Also, the lower profile suits me a lot better than the HHKB. I'm thinking about buying Varmilo but still don't want to give up on the Leopold ;)

I have heard that Topre domes do take a little while to settle in, although I got my HHKB secondhand so I can't really say how much difference it makes.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16770 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 01:51:46 »
Choosing a keyboard aesthetic?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16771 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 12:38:41 »
Choosing a keyboard aesthetic?


What about it
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16772 on: Wed, 01 September 2021, 20:50:16 »
Hi everyone. I bought a new Leopold FC750R and when i started using it i noticed that on most of the keys when i firmly pressed them down i heard a *snap* when i bottomed out that has since gone away. Is this an issue with the Cherry switches? or was the keycap just not seated all the way when they installed them.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16773 on: Fri, 03 September 2021, 04:11:46 »
Hi everyone. I bought a new Leopold FC750R and when i started using it i noticed that on most of the keys when i firmly pressed them down i heard a *snap* when i bottomed out that has since gone away. Is this an issue with the Cherry switches? or was the keycap just not seated all the way when they installed them.

Welcome to Geekhack!

If the noise stopped pretty much the first time you bottomed out each key, then it is almost certainly the keycaps not having been installed correctly.

It is unusual for a switch to "snap" unless there is something fairly significant wrong with it.

You can test this hypothesis for yourself by gently removing a keycap, then replacing it, but not pushing it all the way down.

Then bottom out that key - see if it snaps like before.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16774 on: Sat, 04 September 2021, 11:49:43 »
I am looking at trying to get a duck Octagon V3 and know that it has a 11 degree angle.
I have been using 60% pcb's in a OG FMJ poker case forever. Anyone know how that would compare angle wise? I don't have a angle finder to measure my case...

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16775 on: Sat, 04 September 2021, 11:56:36 »
I am looking at trying to get a duck Octagon V3 and know that it has a 11 degree angle.
I have been using 60% pcb's in a OG FMJ poker case forever. Anyone know how that would compare angle wise? I don't have a angle finder to measure my case...

Nevermind... Downloaded a protractor app. FMJ poker is 8 degrees. The 3 degree raise doesn't seem as drastic as others have said.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16776 on: Sat, 04 September 2021, 15:18:15 »
Are Matias Quiet Linear switches reliable? I heard that they are tend to die over time.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16777 on: Sat, 04 September 2021, 15:57:12 »
Are Matias Quiet Linear switches reliable? I heard that they are tend to die over time.

I've heard less than stellar things about Matias. I tend to avoid their boards / switches in general
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16778 on: Sat, 04 September 2021, 16:58:31 »
Are Matias Quiet Linear switches reliable? I heard that they are tend to die over time.
There used to be lots of complaints about Matias switches, then they supposedly made improvements and I've not heard anything since.  Whether that means they are now more reliable or the damage to their reputation was done and people just stopped buying them is hard to say.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16779 on: Fri, 10 September 2021, 13:30:11 »
I'm looking for a split-space 60% pcb. I know the dz60 is an option, but their split seems to be a 3 button split (or some permutation of 2.25, 1.25, 2.75).

I'd prefer a 2x 3u layout like the Matzka. Any recommendations?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16780 on: Fri, 10 September 2021, 14:02:40 »
I'm looking for a split-space 60% pcb. I know the dz60 is an option, but their split seems to be a 3 button split (or some permutation of 2.25, 1.25, 2.75).

I'd prefer a 2x 3u layout like the Matzka. Any recommendations?

It's a pretty uncommon layout, with 3u mostly being used in a split 7u 3x1x3, if you are sort of looking for the dual spacebar look you could try the quefrency in a 60% config, if I remember you can have a 2.25/2.75 in the middle instead of 2.25/1.25/2.75

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16781 on: Sat, 11 September 2021, 13:09:01 »
Is there such thing as a linear switch that clicks?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16782 on: Sat, 11 September 2021, 13:11:53 »
If a keyboard switch clicks in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, did it really click?
 
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16783 on: Sat, 11 September 2021, 17:53:15 »
Is there such thing as a linear switch that clicks?

I suppose you could click mod an alps green? Not sure if that would impact the (lack of) tactility though
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #16784 on: Sun, 12 September 2021, 17:21:52 »
If a keyboard switch clicks in the forest and there is no one there to hear it, did it really click?
 

Yes, because by definition it has clicked in the forest, therefore it did click.
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But thatís incorrect. Itís in HHKBís slogan, but when Americaís cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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