[CLOSED] [GB] Alt Controller Board for HHKB

[hasu]

I ordered Rev.G PCBs days ago, they will get to me in one or two weeks.
In Rev.G I just made small two change, 1) removing unused pads and 2) refine thermal relieve of ground pad. In terms of electric it completely same as Rev.F.

https://github.com/tmk/HHKB_controller/blob/master/TODO_revF.txt

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Rev.F Errata
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- Poly FUSE foot print
    Size up to 3225-3228
    Recommended pads are used already, not changed. Solder jumper is removed. 03/09
 
- GND pin should be connected to just one side due to thermal relief
    thin spoke thermal relief is used for reset button 03/09


[deci]

Received my controller and just shopping for BT dongles and batteries now.

Has anyone found any good batteries other than the Sparkfun 1000mah (out of stock until next week) and 2000mah Ali Express one posted earlier?
Also, any BT dongle recommendations or basically any of the cheap ones on Amazon are ok?

Thanks!

[redskull]

I ordered Rev.G PCBs days ago, they will get to me in one or two weeks.
In Rev.G I just made small two change, 1) removing unused pads and 2) refine thermal relieve of ground pad. In terms of electric it completely same as Rev.F.

hi hasu,

did you get my pm? i am interested to get into que for this. thanks.

[hasu]

Added! Sorry, I missed.

[Greed]

Added! Sorry, I missed.

Missed me too!

[hasu]

I got a buch of componentsa and controllers in the mail, next production is going to begin soon.

[Bromono]

I will def grab one. Joined to late and missed out on this

[Greed]

I will def grab one. Joined to late and missed out on this

Very excited!

[TheOtherAdam]

Hi Hasu

Thanks for making these boards available, PM and payment sent.

Cheers
Adam

[nubbinator]

I'm definitely interested.  I'm also wondering if there's any chance that the controller might be compatible with this Topre board I recently found or if there's any way it could be made compatible.  I can provide any info needed.

[shawn24]

just set up my usb board, it works well, thx hasu.
for Mac OSX user, if you use homeberw to install bfu-programmer, it may install the 7.0 version,
which can only successfully erase chip but not flash for me.
after several try until I download the latest 7.2 version, I succeeded flash the new hex file

and here is a question, it is said that the lion battery need protection circuit to prevent booooom
which kind of the circuit should we buy? or is it ok to use the battery without protection circuit?

[hasu]

shawn24, thanks for your feedback!
yeah, I've found this problem and fixed just a few days ago(03/26). I think the latest TMK has no problem with dfu-programmer 0.7. I tested with dfu-programmer 0.7.1, not 0.7.2 yet though.
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/commit/2b7d217ebb44934dd8554f3505ab656106649a11

You should use battery with protection function. Most Lipo Battery has protection circuit itself but some doesn't. You have to check datasheet of battery vendor/manufacturer offers. I can recommend Sparkfun batteries.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56494.msg1597883#msg1597883
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56494.msg1595705#msg1595705

Read this. This is enough to use Lipo. I don't know beyond what this page explains.
https://learn.adafruit.com/li-ion-and-lipoly-batteries

[shawn24]

oh, the one u recommend already has built-in protection circuit. cool

On the batteries we sell, the protection circuit is soldered onto the battery and then taped into the little cavity at the top of the battery. This is very common for lipoly cells.

[hasu]

Last weekend I could make many boards and yesterday I shipped eight packages. Updated the first post.

I'll be able to supply USB boards enough to clear all the list untill next week. And hopefully all requested BT boards also  will be made within next few weeks.

Thanks,

[Vizir]

Just a FYI, my name is in 3 places on the list (bold and underlined). Not sure if that's intentional or mistake, but I wanted to point it out so that in the future there is no confusion

PROCESSING STATUS:

Name                List    PM      Res     Paid    Shipped Delivered   Rev
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masticasesos        12/04   01/06   -----   -----   -----   -----       -
echo0               10/13   01/06   01/07   01/07   01/07   01/13       F
mashby              10/14   01/06   -----   -----   -----   -----       -
HoffmanMyster       10/14   01/06   01/08   01/08   01/08   01/17       F
Vizir               10/22   01/06   01/07   -----   -----   -----       -
jahkeup             10/25   01/06   01/07   01/07   01/07   01/24       F
jaemzp              11/03   01/10   01/12   01/12   01/13   02/01       F
cooldiscretion      11/14   01/06   01/07   -----   -----   -----       -
                                                                         
woodada             11/14   01/08   01/08   01/08   01/08   01/26       F
kaesve              11/16   01/08   01/09   01/09   01/09   01/14       F
osxoep              11/16   01/08   01/10   01/10   01/13   01/19       F
                                                                         
esoomenona          03/30   01/30   01/31   01/31   02/02   02/10       Fb
Matt3o              12/05   01/30   01/30   01/30   02/02   03/04       Fb
argcargv            10/11   01/30   01/30   -----   -----   -----       -
naasfu              10/18   01/30   02/01   02/01   02/02   02/10       Fb
bazh                10/30   01/30   01/30   -----   -----   -----       -
yicaoyimu           11/16   02/04   02/04   02/04   02/04   02/13       Fb
                                                                         
Elocutive           11/16   02/04   02/04   -----   -----   -----       -
Synjin              11/16   02/04   02/04   02/04   02/04   02/15       F
Jakes               11/20   02/04   02/05   02/05   02/05   02/18       F
tpc2084             01/16   02/04   02/04   02/04   02/04   02/13       F
                                                                         
amzee               11/17   02/15   02/18   -----   -----   -----       -
shawn24             11/20   02/15   02/15   02/15   02/23   03/04       F
shawn24             11/20   02/22   02/22   02/22   02/23   03/04       Fb
rssll               11/18   02/18   -----   -----   -----   -----       -
                                                                           
tzskp1              12/01   02/22   02/22   02/22   02/23   02/24       F
frontier            12/03   02/22   -----   -----   -----   -----       -
IonutZ              12/19   02/22   03/10   03/10                       G
Vizir               10/22   02/22   02/22   -----   -----   -----       -
                                                                         
deci                09/20   02/22   02/22   02/22   02/23               Fb
rdev5               12/04   02/22   -----   -----   -----   -----       --
x1a0                12/09   02/22   02/26   02/26   02/27   03/07       Fb
                                                                         
jmolino             12/29   02/27   03/06   03/10   03/11               Fb
P233                01/10   02/27   02/27   02/28   03/02   03/07       F
tinymao             01/13   02/27   02/27   02/27   02/27   03/04       F
MJ45                01/16   02/27   02/27   03/01   03/02   03/09       F
                                                                         
Cakered             03/07   03/07   03/07   03/07   03/09   03/13       Fj
yankez001           03/13   03/13   03/13   03/13   03/13   03/16       Fj

TheOtherAdam        01/16   03/27   03/27   03/27   03/27               G
exitfire401         01/16   03/27   03/27   -----   -----   -----       --
trizkut             01/16   03/27   03/27   03/27   03/27               G
Finn                01/17   03/27   03/27   03/27   03/30               G
rjradical           01/21   03/27   03/27   03/28   03/30               G
RoastPotatoes       02/11   03/27   03/27   03/27   03/30               G
                                                                         
byker               01/03   03/29   03/29   03/29   03/30               Fb
Vizir               01/07   03/29   03/29   03/29   03/30               Gb
cooldiscretion      11/14   03/29                                       Gb
coolbho3k           01/16   03/29                                       Gb
                                                                         
yaro_b              02/11   03/29   03/29   03/29   03/30               G
steve.v             02/16   03/29   03/29   03/29                       G
evera               02/21   03/29                                       G
beestingza          02/23   03/29                                       G
pexon               02/23   03/29                                       G
whodevil            02/27   03/29   03/30   03/30   03/30               G
duq                 03/03   03/29                                       G
snakeyes            03/04   03/29                                       G
                                                                         
Synjin              01/16   03/29   03/29   03/29   03/30               G
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[hasu]

Vizir, no worry. It is intentinal and misktaken.
You changed order to BT at Jan 7. But invoice for USB was sent again wrongly at Feb 22.
Check your PMs around the dates if  you need.

[Vizir]

Yep, I checked and it's easy for me, but I thought you'd have a hard time checking through the multitudes of PM's you probably receive. So I was making sure you knew of this. And it looks like you are on top of things.

[JanitorJoe]

Well gosh darn, not even two weeks and my board is already in the mail!

I need to start planning my layout.

[FrostyToast]

Going to make my payment tomorrow!

[Bromono]

anyway I can get on the list =3?

[kubatyszko]

Hello, I would like to order one controller for JP (PD-KB420B), I live in Tokyo.

今日、クバです、
JPモデル(ワイアー)用一個を買いたいんですが、東京へ発送をできますか？
早めに着払いはどうでしか？
振り込みもうできますよ。
宜しくお願いします。
クバ

[hasu]

Thanks all for your interest and support!
Finally I sent invoices for all orders in the waiting list, most of controllers can be shipped immediately or within a week in the worst case.

Now that there is no backorder and no further development for this project is needed, so I'm going to close this group buy and create my artisan service thread for this.

For a while, I'll leave this GB open so that you can still order controller boards untill my artisan service is open.

Thank you so much for supporting this project!

[hasu]

Bromono, kubatyszko, Thanks for your interest.
To order read the first post of this thread and PM me.

EDIT: PM=Personal Message

[FrostyToast]

I just sent payment!
I don't even have an hhkb yet...

[byker]

I just sent payment!
I don't even have an hhkb yet...

Better order it soon! EMS shipping means that the controller is going to be there soon

[ctm]

Just curious, there seems to be plenty of space in HHKB, so is there possibility of stuffing a USB hub in so that the controller is connected to one port and the other two ports can be used in place of Pro 2 USB hub? (Actually I don't have great need for USB hub on Pro 2. I just think it's a little ugly to leave two holes there.)

EDIT: I just find a USB hub that looks small enough to fit into HHKB. It has 4 ports so maybe the DIP place can be an extra port? http://smile.amazon.com/Sabrent-Portable-MacBook-Windows-HB-MCRM/dp/B00L2442H0/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1428441835&sr=8-15&keywords=4-ports+usb+hub

[Ngt]

Is the sale still up for the USB controller?

[hasu]

ctm, totally possible. Use small controller board like Teensy or pro micro instead of this board. Or just buy HHKB Pro and sell your Pro2
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=12047.msg1699177#msg1699177

Ngt, yes. Read through the first post and PM me.

[IonutZ]

Probably the best investment I've ever made for the HHKB... Hasu's bluetooth alt... amazing!

[Bucake]

mine has arrived already

awesome stuff hasu, thank you

[yomammary]

Hey guys,
I'm wondering if any of you compiled this using Windows using Flip.
If so, any recommendations?
As you can see I don't have much programming experience.

[shawn24]

Hey guys,
I'm wondering if any of you compiled this using Windows using Flip.
If so, any recommendations?
As you can see I don't have much programming experience.

just follow the instruction on hasu"s github, it should be detailed enough

[yomammary]

Hey guys,
I'm wondering if any of you compiled this using Windows using Flip.
If so, any recommendations?
As you can see I don't have much programming experience.

just follow the instruction on hasu"s github, it should be detailed enough

Alright!

[byker]

For some reason my Windows PC doesn't pick up the hhkb when I have it in bluetooth mode, but my macbook easily connected. Anyone have this issue? I have tried restarting both sides multiple times..

[shawn24]

For some reason my Windows PC doesn't pick up the hhkb when I have it in bluetooth mode, but my macbook easily connected. Anyone have this issue? I have tried restarting both sides multiple times..

does ur pc have built-in bt module?

[hasu]

byker,
Windows won't find your keyboard if it is linked with Mac or other host. In this situation to make the keyboard discoverable you have to disconnect it from the host first or start pairing mode with pressing LShift+RShift+p(Magic p command).

If this is not your problem possible cause is various...

[byker]

shawn24 - no, i am using a separate bluetooth connecter.


hasu - Thanks, I will try that!

[Vizir]

rec'd my Rev. Gb board a couple of days ago. Waiting for the 1000mAh battery from sparkfun before I try it out.

[hasu]

Thanks for your support!

Keymap editor for Bluetooth controller is available now.
Also firmware was updated in USB keymap editor.

http://www.tmk-kbd.com/tmk_keyboard/editor/index.html

This is not needed if you are already familiar with editing keymap file and building firmware. Also you cannot make use of all functions with this keymap editor. But it will be useful when you don't need fancy keymap function or you are in trouble with your own built firmware.

[btctopre]

Got my controller in! With minimal experience doing anything like this before, it only took me 15 minutes or so to create my keymap using the editor, and then flash it onto the controller using Flip. Process was incredibly easy and the result is exactly what I wanted. The purchase was well-worth it, thank you hasu for you hard work!

The only issue I'm encountering is the same thing HoffmanMyster previously did, where there is a slight delay when a function layer is initially trigger (so Fn + [/Up Arrow has like a .2 second delay before moving up), but disappears if the Fn key remains pressed. This isn't as big of a deal to me, as I only have a few commonly-used keys on the secondary layer, but it is noticeable. Is there any known fix for this? I'm plugged into a motherboard back USB port, so power should be okay, and I've tried multiple ports to no avail.

[hasu]

The only issue I'm encountering is the same thing HoffmanMyster previously did, where there is a slight delay when a function layer is initially trigger (so Fn + [/Up Arrow has like a .2 second delay before moving up), but disappears if the Fn key remains pressed. This isn't as big of a deal to me, as I only have a few commonly-used keys on the secondary layer, but it is noticeable. Is there any known fix for this? I'm plugged into a motherboard back USB port, so power should be okay, and I've tried multiple ports to no avail.

Hmm, 0.2sec deay reminds me Dual role keys or Tapping in TMK terminology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modifier_key#Dual-role_keys
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/doc/keymap.md#4-tapping

What are you using actually as Fn key?
With 'Layer Switch Momentary'(L1, L2, ...) you should not have the delay, if you suffer it is a bug.

In Keymap Editor 'Layer Switch with Tap Toggle', 'Layer switch with Tap key' and 'Modifier with special function' are Dual role keys. These should have the delay inevitably from its nature.

[btctopre]

Hmm, 0.2sec deay reminds me Dual role keys or Tapping in TMK terminology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modifier_key#Dual-role_keys
https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard/blob/master/doc/keymap.md#4-tapping

What are you using actually as Fn key?
With 'Layer Switch Momentary'(L1, L2, ...) you should not have the delay, if you suffer it is a bug.

In Keymap Editor 'Layer Switch with Tap Toggle', 'Layer switch with Tap key' and 'Modifier with special function' are Dual role keys. These should have the delay inevitably from its nature.

I'm using the standard L1 Fn key (momentary). And I tried reflashing the firmware with my layout, then flashing the default layout and still the delay is there on both unfortunately. I'll try using it with a different computer in a couple hours and see what the result is.

[hasu]

Thanks for the testing.
Ah, I finally found the delay you described, never found it myself so far, I don't know why
It seems like this is unneeded delay and I can fix it. I'll look into source later.

[IonutZ]

I'd like to know your thoughts on this - I found a really badass battery

3000mah (can be found on ebay, called a 3010080 lipo)
3mm x 100mm x 80mm

Check out the pictures

In order to install this had to take out 4 screws (only 3 pictured, also one above). With the battery installed it does not seem to affect stability of keyboard.


There is a bit of a bulge in the front. I don't think it's too bad...


This bulge is distributed across first half and second half, putting a little strain on middle hinge.

You can see the battery in the back as it sits on top of the pcb.



Size of battery



By my calculations having run it with a 500mah... This would last about 40 hours at 3000mah. Which means an entire work week without having to recharge.........

What are your thoughts?

[btctopre]

Thanks for the testing.
Ah, I finally found the delay you described, never found it myself so far, I don't know why
It seems like this is unneeded delay and I can fix it. I'll look into source later.

You're the best  The delay still persists on my home machine, but you adjust to it pretty quick. If you do come up with a fix, please let me know though. That would make your controller board absolutely perfect!

[Pemdas]

Got my controller and got everything working, your keymap editor made everything so easy. Not only does this give me bluetooth support (something I've wanted for a looong time) but it also gives me media control keys on windows using the HHKB!

Thank you again Hasu! Love the controller 

[Greed]

Just another happy camper here. Hasu you are AMAZING! Thank you so much for doing this. All I was looking for was bluetooth capability for my HHKB Type-S and this delivered big time. Just open the case, remove the old controller replace with Hasu's controller and plug in a battery and I was wirelessly thocking away withing 5-10 mins of receiving the controller

I rigged up a 1000mah battery for this just waiting for my 2000mah battery from China.

Thanks again Hasu!

[byker]

For some reason I still cannot get my computer to see my hhkb via bluetooth. I know it must be a problem on the computer's end as I have been able to sync the hhkb to other devices. This is the bluetooth adaptor I have, do you see any problems with it hasu? http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B005Z5HT2M

[hasu]

Thanks for your feedbacks. Nice to hear from users of my controller!

byker, it looks no problem with the adapter, which is 3.0 and should have backward compatibility to 2.1 that keyboard uses.
Can you connect to other PC or devices like phone? And BT LED is blinked(once per sec) while trying?

EDIT: oops

[byker]

Thanks for your feedbacks. Nice to hear from users of my controller!

byker, it looks no problem with the adapter, which is 3.0 and should have backward compatibility to 2.1 that keyboard uses.
Can you connect to other PC or devices like phone? And BT LED is blinked(once per sec) while trying?

EDIT: oops

Yup, bt led blinks once per second.