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Offline arq1999

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[IC] DCS Classic Orange
« on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 14:35:59 »





TLDR:

What? DCS ABS Double Shoot Set made by Signature Plastics. Production time is 12 weeks
Why DCS? Because of Lead times and Pricing
Pricing? We are targeting MOQ of 200 at $120
Legends? We were planning in using Cherry, but SP doesn't have it for the international kit so we are going with Gorton
Colors? Stock SP Colors! No Color matching
Alphas: WA
Legends: OSA
Mods: OSA
Legends: WA


IC Form
Please Fill up the form so we can see how we can improve it and price this accordingly to aim for a higher MOQ


Kits
Base Kit
Aiming for the following: MOQ 200 = $120



Alt Alphas
MOQ 75 Target $65 to $70



Spacebars Kit
MOQ 75 Target $30



Macros Kit
MOQ 50 Target $15



Int Kit
MOQ 50 Target $45 to $50




Renders

TGR Alice


 

Sunsetter By Charue Design


 

TGR Jane


 


Background

How it happened.




Well, that was a bit of summary and honestly I really hope you guys like DCS Classic Orange or DCS OOT7OTSPH(One of the 7 Orange that SP had) as we call it between Bingo and myself.



If you would like to run this set in your store reach out!
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #1 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 14:36:22 »
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #2 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 14:36:52 »
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #3 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 14:53:00 »
oh hey you didn't post prematurely this time

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #4 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 15:07:31 »
are those even dcs models?

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #5 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 15:08:33 »
2 things to critique here, 3 key 40s support really doesn't make sense outside gmk, would rather see a full kit, and maybe some renders using actual DCS models, not cherry

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #6 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 15:19:22 »
Full orange extension kit let's gooooooo

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #7 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 15:42:58 »
are those even dcs models?

We used krk dcs models

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #8 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 15:49:30 »
2 things to critique here, 3 key 40s support really doesn't make sense outside gmk, would rather see a full kit, and maybe some renders using actual DCS models, not cherry

Well I disagree on the 40s kit because that works when everything is split but here is not the case. I wanted it to be cost effective and I know that the way I have it at the right moq can be cheaper than splitting everything.
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 16:08:28 »
DCS I'm in

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 16:49:34 »
hell yeah! soda time, i like it

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #11 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 16:59:29 »
kitting needs work, too many default krk keys

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #12 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 17:15:20 »
kitting needs work, too many default krk keys
According to you kitting is bad and you dont provide feedback in how to improve it. Right? 

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #13 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 17:54:01 »
No alt orange alphas?..... Are you serious?

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #14 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 18:08:57 »
No alt orange alphas?..... Are you serious?

SoonTM. I wasnt sure if people wanted it full mono. But ill add it to the list!

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 20:13:16 »
I don't think being combative is the way to respond to negative feedback...maybe ask how the kitting can be improved, perhaps...? Notice how almost all the negative feedback is from users with more posts than you? They must know something...

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #16 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 20:34:22 »
kitting needs work, too many default krk keys
According to you kitting is bad and you dont provide feedback in how to improve it. Right?

Remove the 1.5u super and 1u backspace and add f13. The prev and next keys are kinda weird, so I would recommend replacing them with pg up and pg dn to accommodate more 65%/75% layouts. Another alternative is to leave them out to reduce costs. The 1.5u and 1.75u spacebars are unnecessary, so I would get rid of them and add a 1.25u instead. You should also specify whether your 6u bars are off-centered or centered. Finally, your layout of the kits, especially the alt alphas look unprofessional. I would recommend looking at other ICs to find a more clean layout. Also, just as a tip, an IC is guage interest from your potential buyers and being passive-aggressive to those said potential buyers is not a way to sell your set. Be open to criticism to make a set that a lot of people will enjoy. I wish you good luck.

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 20:35:29 »
I don't think being combative is the way to respond to negative feedback...maybe ask how the kitting can be improved, perhaps...? Notice how almost all the negative feedback is from users with more posts than you? They must know something...
High post counts are meaningless and shouldn't be seen as an indicator that what the person says holds merit - But what's even more meaningless than that is replies to IC's that claim kitting needs to be improved without even providing context as to how it can be improved.

Not only are these posts a waste of the designers time, they're a waste of time for the person making the comment; if you can take the time to reply with "The kitting needs work", what's stopping you from actually stating how? arq shouldn't need to waste further time by asking how.

The keys provided as part of the base kit are great for the price point.

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 20:44:25 »
I don't think being combative is the way to respond to negative feedback...maybe ask how the kitting can be improved, perhaps...? Notice how almost all the negative feedback is from users with more posts than you? They must know something...

Nah Arq's right there. Posting "kitting is bad" then expecting the OP to make a separate reply to that to ask for feedback just clogs up the thread with useless posts. If someone has feedback then they should give it. The entire point of an IC is to gather feedback - the existence of the IC post implicitly solicits it.

@Arq - Are the small DCS bars concave?

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #19 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 20:48:53 »
I'm down with all of the DCS love atm. Pairs so so so nice with the Rama Kara.

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #20 on: Tue, 17 August 2021, 23:12:15 »
kitting needs work, too many default krk keys
According to you kitting is bad and you dont provide feedback in how to improve it. Right?

Remove the 1.5u super and 1u backspace and add f13. The prev and next keys are kinda weird, so I would recommend replacing them with pg up and pg dn to accommodate more 65%/75% layouts. Another alternative is to leave them out to reduce costs. The 1.5u and 1.75u spacebars are unnecessary, so I would get rid of them and add a 1.25u instead. You should also specify whether your 6u bars are off-centered or centered. Finally, your layout of the kits, especially the alt alphas look unprofessional. I would recommend looking at other ICs to find a more clean layout. Also, just as a tip, an IC is guage interest from your potential buyers and being passive-aggressive to those said potential buyers is not a way to sell your set. Be open to criticism to make a set that a lot of people will enjoy. I wish you good luck.

hey! you are right I totally missed the extra 1.5u it wasnt meant to be. Ill add the F13. I decided to used the Prev and Next simply because its a bit of variety. The 65% and 75% can totally used it, but not only that but 40s as well. I was like why not? Now to the bars! I didnt told Mr.Bingo that it was 1.25 and he just used 1.50 we are fixing that. the 1.75u is staying. the 6u are off center Stem and we are going to label it property. Now to the way the alt kit looks! No worries dude, Im editing it right now. I really appreciate your feedback. Sometimes you tunnel vision and you don't see things right and miss stuff. Now I get that you are mad that I responded like that, but I'm tired of the culture of geekhack of just saying that something is wrong but no way to fix it.
For example in GMK Tiel, the OP didn't know how to do images property and everyone was saying it, but no one took their time to explain it. I took my time to do it and even given examples of how to do it properly.

Im always happy to hear contractive criticism.

I don't think being combative is the way to respond to negative feedback...maybe ask how the kitting can be improved, perhaps...? Notice how almost all the negative feedback is from users with more posts than you? They must know something...

Nah Arq's right there. Posting "kitting is bad" then expecting the OP to make a separate reply to that to ask for feedback just clogs up the thread with useless posts. If someone has feedback then they should give it. The entire point of an IC is to gather feedback - the existence of the IC post implicitly solicits it.

@Arq - Are the small DCS bars concave?

Hey Mecxs! The small DCS bars are indeed Concave, Ill label it.  Also thank you for understanding where I was coming from.
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 12:48:09 »
Are there examples of the icon mods available? Midnight is icon + text

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 13:36:03 »
Are there examples of the icon mods available? Midnight is icon + text

Im not sure if there is a sample, but the molds exist otherwise Melissa from SP would have told me otherwise.

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 21:13:33 »
ne r5 avail?

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 18 August 2021, 22:36:46 »
oh yeah, hot. 3 key in base is awesome <3

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - Lead Time 12 Weeks!
« Reply #25 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 21:35:58 »
Make it forced Row 5 and I am in.

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:11:44 »
Big update. R5 in base kit

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #27 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 20:29:37 »
Big update. R5 in base kit

Oh hell yes. Let's go!

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 02:48:22 »


Is this the new galaxy brain way of offering legend-agnostic right column support? :D

Jk. Anyway, the orange you picked is nice, and I always like seeing new DCS sets. Please consider including R3 Pg Up, R4 Pg Dn in base. Depending on pricing, 2 1.5u Super, 2 1u Alt may also be worth including, but that takes slightly lower priority. I would also like to see the two-line Scroll↲Lock legend changed to one-line Scroll to better match with the other legends, but I'm not sure if SP has a mold for that.

Question: How similar/different is DCS R5 compared to Cherry R5?

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 03:13:17 »
nice set i just want to say that the first image says dsc not dcs  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 06:03:09 »
Question: How similar/different is DCS R5 compared to Cherry R5?

It would be the equivalent to Cherry R0 (higher than R1)
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 06:58:42 »
It would be the equivalent to Cherry R0 (higher than R1)
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Oh, it's that kind of R5. I thought it would be a different bottom row profile. Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 10:30:52 »
in just because i need the tsangan for my cherry replica set lol

also i really dislike the high F keys, they look funny and if you poke them from the wrong angle they fly off your keyboard which is weird

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 13:22:25 »
lol by R5 i thought you meant cherry R5, DCS R5 looks pretty dumb imo especially when you don't have R5 in bottom row.

consider adding cherry R5 in base and maybe making DCS R5 a child kit?
 

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 14:32:31 »
lol by R5 i thought you meant cherry R5, DCS R5 looks pretty dumb imo especially when you don't have R5 in bottom row.

consider adding cherry R5 in base and maybe making DCS R5 a child kit?

cherry and DCS don't match and that is a bad, medium solution to what is really a problem solved by having the DCS r5 as its own child kit
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 17:11:28 »
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Is this the new galaxy brain way of offering legend-agnostic right column support? :D

Jk. Anyway, the orange you picked is nice, and I always like seeing new DCS sets. Please consider including R3 Pg Up, R4 Pg Dn in base. Depending on pricing, 2 1.5u Super, 2 1u Alt may also be worth including, but that takes slightly lower priority. I would also like to see the two-line Scroll↲Lock legend changed to one-line Scroll to better match with the other legends, but I'm not sure if SP has a mold for that.

Question: How similar/different is DCS R5 compared to Cherry R5?

ups I didn't see that error, let me fix it and send it to arq, thanks for spotting it!.

For the Scroll Lock question, I think they only have that mold, but we can ask and if they have and we will change it for the GB
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 28 August 2021, 01:11:09 »
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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #37 on: Sun, 29 August 2021, 14:19:10 »
It will take a lot of persuasion for me to buy this. First of all, it is not green. Second of all, it is Orange. Third, it is the Bright orange which is among the least favorite of the treeleaf's oranges
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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 29 August 2021, 22:09:54 »
It will take a lot of persuasion for me to buy this. First of all, it is not green. Second of all, it is Orange. Third, it is the Bright orange which is among the least favorite of the treeleaf's oranges

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Re: [IC] DCS Classic Orange - R5 in Base Kit still Targeting $110
« Reply #39 on: Sun, 29 August 2021, 23:10:28 »
Hi everyone! funny that the one time I go out of town and have no internet at all people are active smh. After findng out that SP didnt had the molds of the Cherry font for INT Kit. First we had to decide if we wanted to drop support or change the font... So we had to re do all the kitting renders to Gordon. In that process I overlooked the kitting issues that we had already fixed that's totally on me and I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. 

lol by R5 i thought you meant cherry R5, DCS R5 looks pretty dumb imo especially when you don't have R5 in bottom row.

consider adding cherry R5 in base and maybe making DCS R5 a child kit?

cherry and DCS don't match and that is a bad, medium solution to what is really a problem solved by having the DCS r5 as its own child kit

Hey puddsy! thank you for the feedback it means alot! So when checking the quotes that we got from SP we saw the the difference between having R5 in base was $3 dollar difference at the MOQ we are aiming. So I though instead of having someone else pay $15 to $20 extras just for a single row it didnt made a lot of sense to me at least. I might be wrong but what do you think? Even having it at base I feel confident that we can still aim for that $115 at MOQ 150.
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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 29 August 2021, 23:20:54 »
Hey puddsy! thank you for the feedback it means alot! So when checking the quotes that we got from SP we saw the the difference between having R5 in base was $3 dollar difference at the MOQ we are aiming. So I though instead of having someone else pay $15 to $20 extras just for a single row it didnt made a lot of sense to me at least. I might be wrong but what do you think? Even having it at base I feel confident that we can still aim for that $115 at MOQ 150.

personally i think more people will buy a seperate r1/r5 than will buy the INT kit, the conversion rate on NORDE is generally under 5%, but for profile kits it's generally high enough that it's worth trying, especially for $10-15.

i'm generally pretty preference neutral when it comes to profile, but i think tall F keys is more of a novelty than anything else, and might be a cool unique add-on. i don't think it's something worth including in base.

$115 base with a $20-40 add on (such as extension kit or novelties) is a pretty common rate to pay for a quality keyset these days, so i don't think it's a crazy ask.

some might say DCS is lower quality, but i doubt those people have used a DCS set extensively. few people who entered the community after like 2018 have. the keycaps are thinner, but quality is on par with GMK or CRP, maybe slightly better since the wyse legends have very few issues aside from "some people think they look weird."

with enough vendor support you should be able to get all kits made for this at a reasonable price.
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