Author Topic: Successor to the MX518: The G400 (Read 43304 times)

daerid · « **on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 19:31:39 »

New Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse

Damnit, right when I spring for a new MX518... hopefully this proves to be a worth successor. And that rubberized grip, *yum*

Brodie337 · « **Reply #1 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 20:17:29 »

Been a fan of the MX518 for a long time, and I'm glad they got rid of that ultra glossy (and ugly) top on the thing. I'd rather they used a textured plastic on the grip like the G700, rather than the rubber coating, but even then, I might have to pick one up and have a play with it.

The Solutor · « **Reply #2 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 21:03:09 »

Quote from: ripster;358175

Nifty. Looks pretty generic compared to the original.

Another boring reiteration of the good old MX700 (AD 2003) that at least was cordless

daerid · « **Reply #3 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 22:15:04 »

Who cares if its boring. It feels good in the hand, and if it tracks well, I'm sold. My old MX500 was one of my all time favorite mice, so I'm fairly excited about this :-D

Arc'xer · « **Reply #4 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 22:24:47 »

Shame they didn't also add a MX300-clone for a smaller, lighter version with better feet.

Wonder what sensor it uses seems to be an ADNS-3090 but the specs are different either it's a logitech SROM version or maybe they reconstructed the 3080 used on the 518 added a 16-bit buffer, polling rate adjustable, and a new MCU and called it a day.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #5 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 23:01:05 »

Maybe if they made a "Gaming" trackball

chel- · « **Reply #6 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 23:15:53 »

Looking good. Im using the mx518 right now but I'll still likely buy one when it comes out. At least logitech sees that they actually made a good mouse.

The Solutor · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 01:07:54 »

Quote from: daerid;358214

Who cares if its boring. It feels good in the hand, and if it tracks well, I'm sold. My old MX500 was one of my all time favorite mice, so I'm fairly excited about this :-D

I mean that while the mx 700 was an awesome mouse for its time, looks incredible to see a 50 euro logitech mouse that lacks even the hyperwheel in 2011.

BTW I agree the form factor is very good

daerid · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 01:37:43 »

Quote from: The Solutor;358284

I mean that while the mx 700 was an awesome mouse for its time, looks incredible to see a 50 euro logitech mouse that lacks even the hyperwheel in 2011.

BTW I agree the form factor is very good

I think its Logitech realizing that with the mx518, they had a winner, as proven by the constant high demand and sales of the device. What other gaming mouse has seen a 6 year production run? So, they didn't want to screw with a successful product. Just take the existing one, fix a few issues, and beef it up. But other than that, don't change anything.

Smart move if you ask me. Besides, if you want the hyperwheel in this form factor, there is always the G500

Arc'xer · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 02:12:46 »

Would be nice if they did the same with the (G1/G3/MX300) and (MX310/Optical click!) bodies add two sidebuttons per side, new feet, better quality, better buttons etc.etc.

As for the sensor it's not ADNS-3090, it's actually the very same ADNS-3080 they doubled the max DPI, mouse prediction is the same level as the 518(cannot be toggled on/off), and allowed the sensor to change polling rate so it should be easier than before and reduced the cable weight by 25% and made it thinner. Still weighs the same about 106g so it's still pretty heavy to those used to lighter palm grip mice(unless they decided to remove excess weight).

vun · « **Reply #10 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 02:27:01 »

Hmm, been considering picking up a MX518 for giggles lately, but this looks a lot better. Hopefully it's not a "we tried to fix it but sorry we accidentally broke it" kind of thing.

The Solutor · « **Reply #11 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 02:49:29 »

Quote from: daerid;358300

I think its Logitech realizing that with the mx518, they had a winner, as proven by the constant high demand and sales of the device.

I'm not saying this mouse is bad, it just lacks completely the innovations that Logitech has in its tray.

Good wireless, iperwheel, smartshift, sidewheel, 3 years battery life, optical buttons and so on.

It's a basic, good shaped mouse, nothing more that. And from this point of view is very overpriced.

Just compare it with an M705, great wireless, unifying receiver, 3 years battery life, a better (almost perfect) form factor, hyperwheel and so on and it sells for less than 40$...

vun · « **Reply #12 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 05:11:19 »

Quote from: The Solutor;358316

I'm not saying this mouse is bad, it just lacks completely the innovations that Logitech has in its tray.

Good wireless, iperwheel, smartshift, sidewheel, 3 years battery life, optical buttons and so on.

It's a basic, good shaped mouse, nothing more that. And from this point of view is very overpriced.

Just compare it with an M705, great wireless, unifying receiver, 3 years battery life, a better (almost perfect) form factor, hyperwheel and so on and it sells for less than 40$...

If you want hyperwheel etc. Logitech has quite a few mice with those. Get one of those instead. This mouse is for those who want a refined MX518.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #13 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 05:37:25 »

Looks like the Japanese MX518, just with different sensor >.>

Brodie337 · « **Reply #14 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 06:20:04 »

What made the Japanese 518 different from the regular one?

The Solutor · « **Reply #15 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 08:43:49 »

Quote

If you want hyperwheel etc. Logitech has quite a few mice with those. Get one of those instead.

I have a Revolution VX, a Revolution MX BT, a M705, a M620 so I really don't need anything more (surely not a basic wired mouse for 50$).

I could give a try to a wireless mouse with the MX700 form factor, with a modern sensor and some other innovation, but it is still missing on the logitech line.

daerid · « **Reply #16 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:09:55 »

Quote from: vun;358328

If you want hyperwheel etc. Logitech has quite a few mice with those. Get one of those instead. This mouse is for those who want a refined MX518.

Exactly. I, for one, can't stand the hyperwheel. Nor do I like wireless mice in general, or the form factor of the m705. For me, the MX series shape is damn near perfect. And that makes this new G400 damn near perfect. Which makes this mouse, from my point of view, UNDER-priced.

For some, new innovations do not a better mouse make.

The Solutor · « **Reply #17 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:36:46 »

Quote from: daerid;358370

And that makes this new G400 damn near perfect. Which makes this mouse, from my point of view, UNDER-priced.

After the premature death (less than six months) of my MX700 i bought this.

http://www.amazon.com/A4Tech-Office-Wireless-Optical-RP-680/dp/B0009U7FIQ

Identical form factor, great sensor, wireless, 4 AA battery and a charger supplied, 8 (handy) programmable buttons, I used it for three years before selling it to a person that is still using that mouse today.

And I paid it 16 euro. this is what I call underpriced.

phillip · « **Reply #18 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:49:30 »

**** the hyperwheel, i'm glad this doesn't have it

The Solutor · « **Reply #19 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:54:38 »

too bad it has a laser sensor and not a rubber ball :happy:

audioave10 · « **Reply #20 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 11:15:20 »

I just bought a MX518 from the Egg ($34.99/free shipping). This is a great mouse for me. I don't care for wireless stuff and batteries/charger hassles.

The Solutor · « **Reply #21 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:45:56 »

35$, indeed, is a way more appropriate price for a mouse of this kind

J888www · « **Reply #22 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:02:05 »

I am using a MX518 and wish the "Successor" is wireless with a mini Unifier usb and runs on 1 AA battery same as my M310 (cannot stop in game to recharge, 2 batteries is a little too heavy) or I would like my M310 to have the same shell as the MX518.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:36:22 »

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;358333

Looks like the Japanese MX518, just with different sensor >.>

See here...

chel- · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:43:08 »

I just wish they would remake the g9 with the mx518 sensor.

Arc'xer · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:13:15 »

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;358333

Looks like the Japanese MX518, just with different sensor >.>

Quote from: No same sensor ADNS-3080

Would be nice if they did the same with the (G1/G3/MX300) and (MX310/Optical click!) bodies add two sidebuttons per side, new feet, better quality, better buttons etc.etc.

As for the sensor it's not ADNS-3090, it's actually the very same ADNS-3080 they doubled the max DPI, mouse prediction is the same level as the 518(cannot be toggled on/off), and allowed the sensor to change polling rate so it should be easier than before and reduced the cable weight by 25% and made it thinner. Still weighs the same about 106g so it's still pretty heavy to those used to lighter palm grip mice(unless they decided to remove excess weight).

Like mentioned above Logicool MX518 is the same US/EU MX518 but with a different shell and color.

Quote from: chel-;358634

I just wish they would remake the g9 with the mx518 sensor.

Not a bad idea if they had the sensor in the center.

noodles256 · « **Reply #26 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 20:31:04 »

hopefully it isn't glossy, can't really tell from the pics

Arc'xer · « **Reply #27 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 21:00:24 »

Quote from: noodles256;359219

hopefully it isn't glossy, can't really tell from the pics

Matte, not glossy top. Grips(sides) are the same.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #28 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 21:11:10 »

I imagine the sides will be rubberized

Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk

noodles256 · « **Reply #29 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 21:23:57 »

matte is good.

gotta tip, register your logitech product and they give you 20% off code.

I just did and got one

Wallach · « **Reply #30 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 22:05:21 »

Quote from: chel-;358634

I just wish they would remake the g9 with the mx518 sensor.

Seriously. MX518 sensor isn't quite perfect but I'll take the correction over acceleration any day.

daerid · « **Reply #31 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:15:56 »

Quote from: noodles256;359231

matte is good.

gotta tip, register your logitech product and they give you 20% off code.

I just did and got one

Woulda been awesome to know before I pre ordered one

noodles256 · « **Reply #32 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:37:53 »

just cancel and reorder =]

Bilbin · « **Reply #33 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 03:31:12 »

Quote from: Wallach;359248

Seriously. MX518 sensor isn't quite perfect but I'll take the correction over acceleration any day.

No sensor is perfect but the sensor of the MX518 did have an amazing malfunction speed.
I can't even rocket jump with a IME 3.0

J888www · « **Reply #34 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 08:45:18 »

Quote from: Bilbin;359337

No sensor is perfect but the sensor of the MX518 did have an amazing malfunction speed.
I can't even rocket jump with a IME 3.0

I would have to contradict you as there are some sensors which have NO Prediction/Correction and these are considered to be perfect sensors. The IME 3.0 is one with a sensor (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04) which is considered to be perfect, it does exactly what your hand movements "monkey sees monkey" do, which is the reason why many gamers use this IME 3.0
If it "can't even rocket jump", maybe it is NOT supposed to................?

There are two versions of the MX518, look to the base and if you see there are 5 small mouse skates (+ transparent base) then it is the old version. The new version have 3 larger mouse skates and no transparent base.

The MX518, Death Adder and some others.... are considered to be near perfect, it can be made perfect through firmware manipulation.

noodles256 · « **Reply #35 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 11:26:26 »

777 posts!

J888www · « **Reply #36 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 11:50:47 »

Quote from: noodles256;359463

777 posts!

TYVM for the notification, I am blind ! :sad:

Hope that I'll get to 888, before the end of me. :pray:

You always remind me of the film "Once Upon a Time in America", but I forget reason as to why ?

noodles256 · « **Reply #37 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 12:12:16 »

ty for the compliment.

I feel like a court jester

keyboardlover · « **Reply #38 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 08:31:08 »

Wlcm 2 GH.

Quack.

J888www · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 16:23:14 »

Quote from: ripster;359485

Really? Noodles256 always reminds me of Ramen.

Ah, yes, Noodles the character played by my favourite actor, Robert De Niro in that film. My memory comes and goes, sometimes it just fades away.

Ramen, some Ramen, my MX518 for some Ramen, Ramen with sliced bananas.

panda-R · « **Reply #40 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 22:15:04 »

Quote from: J888www;360185

Ah, yes, Noodles the character played by my favourite actor, Robert De Niro in that film. My memory comes and goes, sometimes it just fades away.

Ramen, some Ramen, my MX518 for some Ramen, Ramen with sliced bananas.

lol wut? u are da best j888www!

Bucky · « **Reply #41 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 22:23:26 »

Wish i had waited a little longer to buy the MX 518, this one is definitely less ugly than the metal 518, oh well maybe for my next mouse.

Bilbin · « **Reply #42 on:** Fri, 17 June 2011, 16:54:56 »

Quote from: J888www;359376

I would have to contradict you as there are some sensors which have NO Prediction/Correction and these are considered to be perfect sensors. The IME 3.0 is one with a sensor (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04) which is considered to be perfect, it does exactly what your hand movements "monkey sees monkey" do, which is the reason why many gamers use this IME 3.0
If it "can't even rocket jump", maybe it is NOT supposed to................?

There are two versions of the MX518, look to the base and if you see there are 5 small mouse skates (+ transparent base) then it is the old version. The new version have 3 larger mouse skates and no transparent base.

The MX518, Death Adder and some others.... are considered to be near perfect, it can be made perfect through firmware manipulation.

Perhaps I should have clarified by saying that the MLT04 is not perfect for me or anyone else that uses more than 30-40cm/360 sensitivity or really just moves their mouse faster than a casual. Rocket jumping in Quake Live was used only as an example, I meant really that any fast flick causes the sensor to malfunction, greatly hindering my performance level.

Also that people's idea of a perfect mouse is greatly biased. I find a sensor to be perfect if it is not affected by angle snapping or acceleration, be it positive or negative at any speed the mouse is being moved at.

If the MX300/500 could be set to 500/1000Hz without overclocking the USB ports so I could take it to LANs it would be the perfect mouse, for me.

nmd · « **Reply #43 on:** Mon, 20 June 2011, 02:17:42 »

Nice, my only problem with the MX518 was the glossiness. Looks nicer this way too.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #44 on:** Mon, 20 June 2011, 13:06:44 »

Just to spoil the fun...
From my Japanese MX518 I can tell that the matte finish will get shiny spots after some time!

daerid · « **Reply #45 on:** Mon, 20 June 2011, 14:07:00 »

So apparently they're available starting yesterday. I haven't received a shipping notice yet from Logitech. Anybody pick one up yet? Or anybody who preordered get a shipping notice?

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #46 on:** Tue, 21 June 2011, 14:40:01 »

Quote from: ripster;364103

Well, so does the MX518.

It's like shiny spacebars. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Entropy
Show Image

Sure you didnt use this mouse as bait for your last bear trap?
Seriously, the matte finish wears like Filco keycaps...

daerid · « **Reply #47 on:** Tue, 21 June 2011, 15:38:17 »

I neurotically keep all my peripherals clean. Any time I see or feel a build up of the "sweat gunk" I have to go get a q-tip or cloth or something and rub that baby down until she's clean.

Bilbin · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 22 June 2011, 04:33:48 »

I clean my mouse with methylated spirits, used to clean my keyboards with it as well until I got a filco

daerid · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 22 June 2011, 13:13:14 »

Wow. So these aren't shipping until July. Logitech is basically saying that if you pre-ordered, you gotta wait another 2-3 weeks, or you can go pick it up at Best Buy.

What ****wads. I specifically pre-ordered from Logitech so I wouldn't have to wait or go to a retail store to pick this up.

Tempy · « **Reply #50 on:** Thu, 23 June 2011, 09:16:52 »

There is no weight customization on the g400 right? that is a bit of a dealbreaker for me

daerid · « **Reply #51 on:** Thu, 23 June 2011, 13:52:44 »

Quote from: Tempy;366076

There is no weight customization on the g400 right? that is a bit of a dealbreaker for me

I have never, ever, ever, ever once used any weight customization available on any mouse I've purchased.

Polaris · « **Reply #52 on:** Sat, 25 June 2011, 12:42:56 »

Quote from: daerid;365350

Wow. So these aren't shipping until July. Logitech is basically saying that if you pre-ordered, you gotta wait another 2-3 weeks, or you can go pick it up at Best Buy.

What ****wads. I specifically pre-ordered from Logitech so I wouldn't have to wait or go to a retail store to pick this up.

well this blows, i was pretty excited to go back to the mx form factor too.

guess it'll be a few more weeks with the deathadder

are best buys carrying the g400 already? i havent seen any yet

Pyksel · « **Reply #53 on:** Tue, 28 June 2011, 19:17:04 »

Quote from: daerid;365350

Wow. So these aren't shipping until July. Logitech is basically saying that if you pre-ordered, you gotta wait another 2-3 weeks, or you can go pick it up at Best Buy.

What ****wads. I specifically pre-ordered from Logitech so I wouldn't have to wait or go to a retail store to pick this up.

I'm not sure why you're raging. I pre-ordered mine and it just arrived today. I did not have to wait nor did I have to go to a retail store. I'm sure someone has the initiative and tools to properly review this mouse but I'll just toss a couple thoughts out there.

In terms of shape/form it's identical to the MX518. It's a tad lighter than the MX518 but I do like the coating on it as opposed to the glossy center body of it's predecessor. The two side buttons are more pronounced (raised away from the mouse body) and are a bit more rigid but I'm sure those will loosen up with time.

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Polaris · « **Reply #54 on:** Tue, 28 June 2011, 21:35:56 »

Quote from: Pyksel;369696

I'm not sure why you're raging. I pre-ordered mine and it just arrived today. I did not have to wait nor did I have to go to a retail store. I'm sure someone has the initiative and tools to properly review this mouse but I'll just toss a couple thoughts out there.

In terms of shape/form it's identical to the MX518. It's a tad lighter than the MX518 but I do like the coating on it as opposed to the glossy center body of it's predecessor. The two side buttons are more pronounced (raised away from the mouse body) and are a bit more rigid but I'm sure those will loosen up with time.

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because they stated the release date was the 19th. so you expect them to ship out the next business day, not ship out a week later

daerid · « **Reply #55 on:** Wed, 29 June 2011, 00:08:26 »

Quote from: Polaris;369730

because they stated the release date was the 19th. so you expect them to ship out the next business day, not ship out a week later

And also because the Logitech rep on the blog post announcing this kept saying they'd ship out in July. Repeatedly. Now I wish I hadn't cancelled my pre-order

Polaris · « **Reply #56 on:** Thu, 30 June 2011, 04:07:59 »

Going from glossy sides on the DA to the sides on the g400 feels so good

and the MX form factor just fits my hand so much better

J888www · « **Reply #57 on:** Thu, 30 June 2011, 09:32:39 »

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The cables, the cables, please compare the cables and offer opinion/opinions........

Pyksel · « **Reply #58 on:** Thu, 30 June 2011, 23:34:24 »

Quote from: J888www;370554

The cables, the cables, please compare the cables and offer opinion/opinions........

The cable on the G400 has a much smaller diameter than the MX518 which makes it even more flexible. As far as additional opinions go, if you liked/loved the MX518 there's nothing that I have uncovered thus far that would lead me believe that you wouldn't fall in love with the G400. Polaris had it right in that the texture is really the major noticeable difference.

*Sorry for the glare in the MX518, it's from my cable modem lights*

daerid · « **Reply #59 on:** Fri, 01 July 2011, 14:31:44 »

Damnit... now I kinda wanna sell my MX518 to fund the G400, since I really can't stand the glossy finish on the 518

Polaris · « **Reply #60 on:** Fri, 01 July 2011, 21:26:52 »

Quote from: daerid;371430

Damnit... now I kinda wanna sell my MX518 to fund the G400, since I really can't stand the glossy finish on the 518

do it, you wont regret it

avinin1 · « **Reply #61 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 04:19:25 »

Hey Polaris, looks like you've bought the G400 and glad to hear you liked it..I have some question to ask you of compered to the older MX518:
1) The prediction/angle snapping/mouse correction/drift control is still in the same amount?
2) The metrial that in the top surface of the mouse, is glossy just like the Mx518?
3) How's the performances, any diffrents?
4) Can you confirmed if the Cable of the G400 is more flexible than Mx518's cable?
5) The mouse actually feels less heavy than Mx518 or no diffrents?
6) May you please check how much the LoD on the surfaces QcK, 9HD and PureTrak Talent ? (how much cd's it tracks)

Thanks alot in advance.

Polaris · « **Reply #62 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 13:41:19 »

Quote from: avinin1;377350

Hey Polaris, looks like you've bought the G400 and glad to hear you liked it..I have some question to ask you of compered to the older MX518:
1) The prediction/angle snapping/mouse correction/drift control is still in the same amount?
2) The metrial that in the top surface of the mouse, is glossy just like the Mx518?
3) How's the performances, any diffrents?
4) Can you confirmed if the Cable of the G400 is more flexible than Mx518's cable?
5) The mouse actually feels less heavy than Mx518 or no diffrents?
6) May you please check how much the LoD on the surfaces QcK, 9HD and PureTrak Talent ? (how much cd's it tracks)

Thanks alot in advance.

1) yes the angle snapping is still there
2) the top material is different. it's not glossy, more chalky which is better for sweaty hands imo
3) performance feels exactly the same, just a higher range of dpi and actual 1k polling rate
4) the cable is more flexible mostly due to the fact that it is thinner
5) the weight feels the same, but i dont have my old mx518 anymore to compare
6) not sure how to answer this question, but i prolly wouldnt be able to anyways seeing as how i only own qck's

bcpk · « **Reply #63 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 14:22:39 »

The G400 sounds perfect for me considering I love my MX518 bar its sweat-inducing glossy finish. Sadly it's not clear when it will appear in Europe, and I can get the MX518 for €25 so I just bought a second one of them instead.

avinin1 · « **Reply #64 on:** Sun, 10 July 2011, 17:07:06 »

Quote from: Polaris;377580

1) yes the angle snapping is still there
2) the top material is different. it's not glossy, more chalky which is better for sweaty hands imo
3) performance feels exactly the same, just a higher range of dpi and actual 1k polling rate
4) the cable is more flexible mostly due to the fact that it is thinner
5) the weight feels the same, but i dont have my old mx518 anymore to compare
6) not sure how to answer this question, but i prolly wouldnt be able to anyways seeing as how i only own qck's

Thanks you very much my friend.
about question #6 - you need to check how much the LoD higher like in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ysWBMIZnE0

Zhuni · « **Reply #65 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 08:06:36 »

Quote from: bcpk;377604

The G400 sounds perfect for me considering I love my MX518 bar its sweat-inducing glossy finish. Sadly it's not clear when it will appear in Europe, and I can get the MX518 for €25 so I just bought a second one of them instead.

I'm UK and just ordered direct from Logitech EU. Dispatched same day and arrived in 48 hours. Had a 20% off code from hot deals plus quidco cash back means it will probably work out at around £27 shipped.

Love the mouse. Love the service

500_pts · « **Reply #66 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 09:00:10 »

Seeing as how a mouse is very personal, hopefully people wont think im a troll for this post, as that is a common perception when it comes to my opinion of the 518, and by extension, now the g400. I really hate it. In fact, for me its an unusable mouse. Let me highlight exactly the problem as follows
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That outer bezel truly breaks the device for me, my fingers would constantly come down in an attempt to click, and end up pressing down on the plastic instead, resulting in no click whatsoever. I dont really grip my mouse far forwards, my hands are small, yet this issue was CONSTANT. I really dont see how this isnt a more common problem, or maybe it was just somehow specific to the one i bought, but thats just wishful thinking. I know im gonna get beat on for saying i use the deathadder instead, but eh, its a forum. I find all the complaints people have with the deathadder (bad shape, too big, etc) are really just a function of an improper grip on the mouse. like i said, i have small hands, but with the proper grip the deathadder is truly baller. I tried changing the way i hold the mouse with the 518, i had no such luck. If someone wants to post pics on a proper way to hold it, im willing to try it out. (ill do the same with the deathadder if people start hating on it)

Tohveli · « **Reply #67 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 09:07:09 »

Nevermind

daerid · « **Reply #68 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 14:26:34 »

Quote from: 500_pts;380901

Seeing as how a mouse is very personal, hopefully people wont think im a troll for this post, as that is a common perception when it comes to my opinion of the 518, and by extension, now the g400. I really hate it. In fact, for me its an unusable mouse. Let me highlight exactly the problem as follows
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That outer bezel truly breaks the device for me, my fingers would constantly come down in an attempt to click, and end up pressing down on the plastic instead, resulting in no click whatsoever. I dont really grip my mouse far forwards, my hands are small, yet this issue was CONSTANT. I really dont see how this isnt a more common problem, or maybe it was just somehow specific to the one i bought, but thats just wishful thinking. I know im gonna get beat on for saying i use the deathadder instead, but eh, its a forum. I find all the complaints people have with the deathadder (bad shape, too big, etc) are really just a function of an improper grip on the mouse. like i said, i have small hands, but with the proper grip the deathadder is truly baller. I tried changing the way i hold the mouse with the 518, i had no such luck. If someone wants to post pics on a proper way to hold it, im willing to try it out. (ill do the same with the deathadder if people start hating on it)

I love both these mice. I also have really huge hands, and have never had a clicking issue with any of the 518 shaped mice (MX500, MX518, G5, G500, etc). I'm not sure how you hold your mouse, but I've seen plenty of people use these mice (the logitech shape), and not a single one has ever rested their fingers so far forward as to miss the buttons.

500_pts · « **Reply #69 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 15:16:50 »

Quote from: daerid;381012

I love both these mice. I also have really huge hands, and have never had a clicking issue with any of the 518 shaped mice (MX500, MX518, G5, G500, etc). I'm not sure how you hold your mouse, but I've seen plenty of people use these mice (the logitech shape), and not a single one has ever rested their fingers so far forward as to miss the buttons.

Yeah thats why im confused. I WANT to love this mouse, but I keep having this issue. I hear SO much praise for it all around the interweb, and it saddens me that I apparently dont know how to use it. :|

hella · « **Reply #70 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 17:59:53 »

My mx518 literally just died today after five years of service.

I've gone through two mx518's, they're a tried and true mouse that'll outlast most of the competition. I decided to mix things up and just pulled the trigger on a 1800dpi 3G (discontinued) deathadder, the only other mouse to outperform the mx518. Hopefully this works just as well, if not better!

spitfire6000 · « **Reply #71 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 22:42:37 »

Yea the mx518 was an awesome mouse, but I dont like how much grime and dust and gook the rubber grips permanently attach to themselves. I had the mx510 and my ribber grip thingies had dead skin flakes in their grooves, gross, but i got used to it. I got the Logitech G500 with a razer scarab gaming mousepad about 2 months ago. and it has a totally different hard rough, dry surface that never stains or gets mucky. Its got a sandpaper like feel to it, and i dont feel any grip really being lost to the rubber ones I had before. I added thick teflon aftermarket mouse pads to 100% cover the mouse feet, and left all the weight cartridge + weight out of it. The thing slips and slides all over the mouse pad, like on an air hockey table.

My favorite thing about the g500 is its lack of rubber grips and on top of that a body style that will never look dirty. It doesn't get stuck to gook like the mx series did with those sticky rubber grips.

Most likely though, this new mouse will be better than the g500 i think in terms of control and feel, which is far more important than the useless 5700dpi that my mouse puts out. The mouse under optimal settings in setpoint, 5 speed 0 accel, all options tuned to maximize precision, 1000hz polling, you will never need anything above 2000dpi. I personally use 1400dpi, and this was after an entire month of obsessively trying to squeeze every last bit of accuracy out of it. I can do 1x1 pixel squares in paint over and over, even with 2000dpi, but anything over that is just too much.

I dont even understand why they make mice anymore with over 3000dpi, seems like all a marketing gimmick, since its never going to be used practically. setpoint settings 5 speed/ 0 accel, windows driver disabled, will give you as close to a 1:1 accuracy as you can get. So if you WERE to use anything over 2000 dpi, you would need to drop speed level, in which case the setpoint driver is deleting a good amount of the input, meaning your mouse is fighting your operating system's setpoint drivers to give you your desired speed and feel.

I am happy logitech left the dpi at 3000ish, at least there its not a total waste like 5700.

daerid · « **Reply #72 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 23:00:44 »

I've never needed a mouse with more than 400dpi. My RAT 7, MX518, and Imperator all get clocked down to 400dpi, since my IE 3.0 uses that anyways.

And I loooooooooooooove my IE 3.0. That's the one mouse I'd keep if it came down to it.

chel- · « **Reply #73 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 23:14:07 »

Quote from: spitfire6000;381248

...I dont even understand why they make mice anymore with over 3000dpi, seems like all a marketing gimmick, since its never going to be used practically. setpoint settings 5 speed/ 0 accel, windows driver disabled, will give you as close to a 1:1 accuracy as you can get. So if you WERE to use anything over 2000 dpi, you would need to drop speed level, in which case the setpoint driver is deleting a good amount of the input, meaning your mouse is fighting your operating system's setpoint drivers to give you your desired speed and feel.

I am happy logitech left the dpi at 3000ish, at least there its not a total waste like 5700.

It IS all marketing and taking advantage of ignorant consumers. Realistically unless you have godlike precision and delicate control you simply don't need anything more than what the mx518 is capable of.

Wihl · « **Reply #74 on:** Fri, 15 July 2011, 23:44:41 »

I was a long-time IE 3.0 user before I switched over to the MX518. When my second MX518 died I decided to try the IE 3.0 again but I found that it was impossible for me to use. The IE 3.0 has buttons that extend all the way to the front and to the left and right. That means that there is no place for me to rest my middle finger. I have always wanted to see an activation force test done on the IE 3.0 and the MX518 because the 3.0 feels extremely light to me. I can rest my finger without clicking on the MX518 but its a no go with the 3.0

In any case, I'm glad that they'll keep producing an MX518-style mouse, if they ever stop I'll probably have to buy a few so I have a few to go through before I'm all out.

pitashen · « **Reply #75 on:** Mon, 18 July 2011, 23:10:18 »

Quote from: daerid;358300

I think its Logitech realizing that with the mx518, they had a winner, as proven by the constant high demand and sales of the device. What other gaming mouse has seen a 6 year production run?

Logitech G1 is still well and alive with updated 1000dpi in Asia such as Taiwan and Korea. Guess that beats it

http://shopping.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAD2O-A44749389&SR_NO=DCAH02&ROWNO=20

cirE · « **Reply #76 on:** Tue, 19 July 2011, 00:40:34 »

Quote from: daerid;358145

New Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse

Damnit, right when I spring for a new MX518... hopefully this proves to be a worth successor. And that rubberized grip, *yum*

You mean to say that you LIKE the rubber grip? The only thing that I don't like about my MX518 after 5+ years of use is that the rubber started to peel off. It got to the point where it was so ugly and nasty to hold that I sanded most of the rubber off. There's still a few spots of rubber I can't seem to take off though, which is pretty annoying.

daerid · « **Reply #77 on:** Tue, 19 July 2011, 15:00:47 »

Quote from: cirE;383152

You mean to say that you LIKE the rubber grip? The only thing that I don't like about my MX518 after 5+ years of use is that the rubber started to peel off. It got to the point where it was so ugly and nasty to hold that I sanded most of the rubber off. There's still a few spots of rubber I can't seem to take off though, which is pretty annoying.

I love the rubberized grip. I don't grip my mice tightly at all, never had a problem with the finish wearing off. And the only thing I can't stand about the 518 is the glossy finish.

Polaris · « **Reply #78 on:** Tue, 19 July 2011, 22:08:14 »

the IE 3.0 would be a great mouse if it didnt feel like a cheap pos

Elemental · « **Reply #79 on:** Fri, 22 July 2011, 10:05:13 »

What I don't like about the G400 is that you can't turn off angle snapping. The G500 which I currently have has an option to either enable or disable it. I'm not sure if it's a deal breaker though. I'm very fond of the scroll wheel on my old MX500 and it seems the G400 has the same type of scroll wheel. Maybe I'll see if I can get one to try it out.

panda · « **Reply #80 on:** Fri, 22 July 2011, 12:28:11 »

That's strange. My mx518 started disconnecting recently. I got it a little more than 3 years ago, so it is out of warranty, but I called logitech anyway. Turns out they didn't even want the invoice or mouse back, and they're sending me the g500. Wonder why they aren't sending me this mouse. Seems like the closest match. Oh well, I've always wanted the g500 as my upgrade anyway =b.

The Solutor · « **Reply #81 on:** Fri, 22 July 2011, 13:53:42 »

Quote from: panda;385360

That's strange. My mx518 started disconnecting recently. I got it a little more than 3 years ago, so it is out of warranty, but I called logitech anyway. Turns out they didn't even want the invoice or mouse back, and they're sending me the g500. Wonder why they aren't sending me this mouse. Seems like the closest match. Oh well, I've always wanted the g500 as my upgrade anyway =b.

A lot of companies should learn from Logitech, starting from Razer

panda · « **Reply #82 on:** Fri, 22 July 2011, 14:03:23 »

Quote from: The Solutor;385424

A lot of companies should learn from Logitech, starting from Razer

Yes, exactly. I got a razer deathadder with a computer a while back. The mouse came DOA. The mouse4 or mouse5 (can't remember which one) didn't click. They refused to do anything about it because I couldn't provide an invoice because it came bundled. I don't think I'll be buying from razer for a very long time.

Elemental · « **Reply #83 on:** Fri, 22 July 2011, 16:15:32 »

Quote from: ripster;385328

Why just the other night I woke up in a cold sweat when I realized my MX518 couldn't turn off angle snapping.

Then I realized that any roller based trackball like the CST has HW angle snapping versus the Zirconium Dioxide white bearings on a Kensington/Logitech trackball.

Then I slept like a baby.

I don't know but I enabled angle snapping and tried to draw a straight line in paint and it's definitely easier to do that with angle snapping turned on on my G500. When it's turned off the line is more wobbly.
For gaming this might be a good thing (well duh it's a gaming mouse to begin with) because in most games you're going to look left/right/up/down often but I'm not sure if it's a good idea if you're using programs like Photoshop or something since it might interfere with what you're trying/want to do.

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #84 on:** Tue, 26 July 2011, 17:25:29 »

I'm interested in getting this mouse, but with one condition. It has to use the same micro-switches for all three mouse-buttons. That's the only reason I use the MX518 after searching for so long for a Logitech mouse where they hadn't screwed up the middle mouse click by using one of those tiny little tactile switches. Starting with the MX1000 (as far as I know) they've been using those cheap pieces of crap in most of their mice but they wear out very fast, especially troubling for someone who does a lot of 3D and CAD work like me. That button is absolutely vital and the MX518 is the only mouse I know that is durable enough to last a while. So, if anyone can confirm that the G400 has the same switches, or at least that it feels the same in use (mouse wheel button being springy with some give in it after being fully depressed) then that would be useful.

The Solutor · « **Reply #85 on:** Tue, 26 July 2011, 17:34:36 »

Quote from: Ulysses31;387723

I'm interested in getting this mouse, but with one condition. It has to use the same micro-switches for all three mouse-buttons. That's the only reason I use the MX518 after searching for so long for a Logitech mouse where they hadn't screwed up the middle mouse click by using one of those tiny little tactile switches. Starting with the MX1000 (as far as I know) they've been using those cheap pieces of crap in most of their mice but they wear out very fast, especially troubling for someone who does a lot of 3D and CAD work like me. That button is absolutely vital and the MX518 is the only mouse I know that is durable enough to last a while. So, if anyone can confirm that the G400 has the same switches, or at least that it feels the same in use (mouse wheel button being springy with some give in it after being fully depressed) then that would be useful.

As a long time Opera and Linux user, the middle click is vital for me, likely I use the middle button more than the left one, and In the latest years I had a VX revolution, a MX620, a M705, and a Mx revolution and I've never seen a failed middle switch (all the hyperwhhel based mouse have the low profile switch for the middle button).

daerid · « **Reply #86 on:** Wed, 27 July 2011, 11:31:41 »

I believe what he's talking about are the switches used in the mice between the MX518 and the introduction of the Hyperwheel (which is vastly superior). I will comment that the middle click on the G5 (both models) was horrible compared to the switches used on the MX518

The Solutor · « **Reply #87 on:** Wed, 27 July 2011, 19:25:18 »

I believe is not the switch that makes the difference, but the wheel assembly mechanism.

BTW I've never touched a g5, the only mouse with the stone age wheel I own is a V470 and the middle click works just fine.

Aznguyen316 · « **Reply #88 on:** Wed, 27 July 2011, 19:42:53 »

Quote from: panda;385434

Yes, exactly. I got a razer deathadder with a computer a while back. The mouse came DOA. The mouse4 or mouse5 (can't remember which one) didn't click. They refused to do anything about it because I couldn't provide an invoice because it came bundled. I don't think I'll be buying from razer for a very long time.

That sucks they've been helpful to me. Rma two mice with them two year warranty is pretty damn nice IMO.

But the big reason why I am a razer mouse user is their Mac support. My Naga, deathadder, and orochi all have native drivers for macros and customization of dpi, lighting etc. That g400 does look sleek though. I'm a big fan of rubber, matte finish. Don't see myself leaving the razer brand until someone else steps up in terms of drivers.

daerid · « **Reply #89 on:** Sat, 30 July 2011, 12:48:41 »

Quote from: The Solutor;388440

I believe is not the switch that makes the difference, but the wheel assembly mechanism.

BTW I've never touched a g5, the only mouse with the stone age wheel I own is a V470 and the middle click works just fine.

To each their own. I can't stand the hyperscroll wheel personally.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #90 on:** Sat, 30 July 2011, 17:49:28 »

Quote from: daerid;389987

To each their own. I can't stand the hyperscroll wheel personally.

It took me a while to get used to at first, but I've come to like it, even when I'm not using the free scrolling. The metal wheel on my old Sidewinder X8 has given me a taste for heavier wheels than most I guess.

0mgVitaminE · « **Reply #91 on:** Sat, 30 July 2011, 23:28:19 »

I like the idea, will probably get one when my mx518 goes out. 6 years of use and still works like a charm

daerid · « **Reply #92 on:** Sun, 31 July 2011, 00:03:22 »

Just traded another GH'er my MX518 for the G400. Honestly, except for the finish and higher DPI, it feels exactly the same. Same switches and everything. It's probably my new favorite mouse.

memske · « **Reply #93 on:** Sun, 31 July 2011, 02:27:17 »

Quote from: daerid;390241

Just traded another GH'er my MX518 for the G400. Honestly, except for the finish and higher DPI, it feels exactly the same. Same switches and everything. It's probably my new favorite mouse.

What pad are you using it on?

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #94 on:** Sun, 31 July 2011, 13:29:45 »

Quote from: daerid;390241

Just traded another GH'er my MX518 for the G400. Honestly, except for the finish and higher DPI, it feels exactly the same. Same switches and everything. It's probably my new favorite mouse.

That's all I needed to hear. The MX518 is really light, so the thick cord it had would sometimes result in it pushing the mouse around as it tried to straighten itself. Actually had to get used to the lightness because at first i'd be clicking and it would get interpreted as a click and drag. The thinner cord on the new model should help. Now if only they'd make a wireless one, i'd be able to stop missing my MX1000.

daerid · « **Reply #95 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 17:17:58 »

Quote from: memske;390287

What pad are you using it on?

Razer Goliathus - the new one with the anti-stitch weaving. I honestly don't understand why every single mouse pad out there hasn't adopted that yet. It's the most genius thing I've ever come across in mouse pads.

flaming_june · « **Reply #96 on:** Tue, 02 August 2011, 23:52:22 »

So it's still optical led with 3080? Does it have any jitter throughout uneven dpi settings?

Aznguyen316 · « **Reply #97 on:** Wed, 03 August 2011, 18:23:16 »

Quote from: daerid;391874

Razer Goliathus - the new one with the anti-stitch weaving. I honestly don't understand why every single mouse pad out there hasn't adopted that yet. It's the most genius thing I've ever come across in mouse pads.

I had a goliathus control which claimed to be weaved. Bought over a year ago is it different now?

Edit. Googled and yup it's different. Nice.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #98 on:** Thu, 04 August 2011, 23:19:42 »

What size Goliathus?

There seems to be two different shapes of the extended version, one being perfectly rectangular and one having cutouts on the longer two sides. I bought two at once and got one of each. I'm thinking that maybe the change in shape co-incides with the change in weave, but I can't be sure as one is the speed and one is control, so they're a different surface anyway.

daerid · « **Reply #99 on:** Mon, 08 August 2011, 00:41:33 »

Quote from: Brodie337;393345

What size Goliathus?

There seems to be two different shapes of the extended version, one being perfectly rectangular and one having cutouts on the longer two sides. I bought two at once and got one of each. I'm thinking that maybe the change in shape co-incides with the change in weave, but I can't be sure as one is the speed and one is control, so they're a different surface anyway.

I got the big one. The super sized one that you put your keyboard on.

Aznguyen316 · « **Reply #100 on:** Mon, 08 August 2011, 03:42:56 »

I saw the G400 at Best Buy. It was on sale for $39.99, $10 off.

daerid · « **Reply #101 on:** Tue, 09 August 2011, 22:38:41 »

That's a great deal. It's definitely my favorite mouse so far.

Stardust · « **Reply #102 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 17:02:22 »

Hi everybody,

I got the G400 today... I don't game... I intend to use this mouse with 3D applications, mainly modeling. To my disappointment, despite all the glamorous reviews, I realized that it is next to impossible to move the pointer in a straight line at an angle. I know it’s a built in feature… but sweet Mother of Christ!

Is there anything that can be done about this; any hack at all? Also, as a side note, I just can’t seem to be able to install the Logitech gaming software (XP sp3).
Is this snapping behavior something I have to live with? If so, tomorrow, this mouse goes right back! No kidding!

Thanks!

flaming_june · « **Reply #103 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 17:16:40 »

Angle snapping is build in, or are you talking about the jitter from installing the software?

Stardust · « **Reply #104 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 17:33:23 »

I'm talking about angle snapping. I don't have the software installed.
How can people call this mouse precise, when trying to move the cursor at a 45 degree angle, the pointer has basically a mind of its own; it stair-steps instead of following a straight trajectory. Moving the cursor horizontally or vertically works perfectly.

Stardust · « **Reply #105 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 18:16:27 »

Oh well... upon further reading I’m beginning to get a clearer picture. It looks like I’m not the first to whine about this. Furthermore, the issue goes back to the “legendary” MX518…

I hope I’m not offending any fans of this particular mouse. Also, I don’t claim to have a very good understanding of the gaming world. But to me, a mouse that tracks accurately has to give on screen a true representation of the physical movement, just like my wacom stylus does. This mouse simply fails to do so!

Please forgive me for venting here. Otherwise, I really like the mouse, even without the accompanying software.

Skylit · « **Reply #106 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 21:08:01 »

Quote from: Stardust;404557

Oh well... upon further reading I’m beginning to get a clearer picture. It looks like I’m not the first to whine about this. Furthermore, the issue goes back to the “legendary” MX518…

I hope I’m not offending any fans of this particular mouse. Also, I don’t claim to have a very good understanding of the gaming world. But to me, a mouse that tracks accurately has to give on screen a true representation of the physical movement, just like my wacom stylus does. This mouse simply fails to do so!

Please forgive me for venting here. Otherwise, I really like the mouse, even without the accompanying software.

What mouse were you using prior to the G400?

Angle snapping/prediction/correction on mice is very common and it wasn't until the last couple years that sensor companies started making "prediction/correction" free sensors. You could very well have been using a mouse with prediction, although it might have not been to the same extent as the G400's.

Quote from: Stardust;404542

I'm talking about angle snapping. I don't have the software installed.
How can people call this mouse precise, when trying to move the cursor at a 45 degree angle, the pointer has basically a mind of its own; it stair-steps instead of following a straight trajectory. Moving the cursor horizontally or vertically works perfectly.

Wait what? Stair steps? Care to draw an example in paint? It shouldn't be doing that at a 45 degree angle like you described.

Stardust · « **Reply #107 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 22:01:32 »

Currently I'm using an ancient generic Microsoft mouse; probably 7 years old. It has outdated dpi range, mediocre ergonomics (but after all this time it became second nature to me), but quite accurate.
Regarding the "stair-stepping", that went away after uninstalling the gaming software, which oddly installed ok, but it would give me a runtime-error every time I tried to open it. In other words I couldn't use it, at all.

Now, it seems that I'm in a better place as far as the behavior of the mouse goes, but still, the slightly perceptible prediction bothers me. Also I would like to lower the polling rate to 500, which can only be done in software. If I could only disable the prediction, that would make me a happy camper.

Stardust · « **Reply #108 on:** Wed, 24 August 2011, 22:20:49 »

Thank you Skylit!

My G400 behaves just like yours. I feel better now. However, the set-in-stone prediction, and the gaming software --unusable for me-- it's all very disappointing. Yes, I knew about the prediction, but I hopped that wouldn't be a big deal. I'll do my best to give it a second chance, maybe I could get used to it.

TOZZIL · « **Reply #109 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 13:24:04 »

I had bought a g400 from "mediamarkt" (big electronics shop here in germany) couple of days ago for 33 €.
The same time I bought a cm storm spawn from amazon for 39 € .
I tried both these mice and comparing the two, the g400 really sucked bum!
It had huge, and I mean HUGE prediction, that straightened lines extremely. The shape was OK to me, but nothing more.
The spawn was (as shown out by skylit and other guys at esr, big thx to you!) perfect about the sensor, no prediction, no accel at any dpi.
And as I am a pretty stereotype clawgripper I liked its shape over the g400's; the spawn is actually really small but nevertheless very comfortable to hold for medium size hands.
So, I sold the G400 and kept the spawn and am really happy now

BTW: where is your ringfinger when u hold an mx518/g400? over this little edge, underneath it or across (like I held it automatically: uncomfortable :C ) that lip?
But if you liked your mx518 and ruled with it, the g400 will do for you.

Regards

Stardust · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 29 August 2011, 15:51:54 »

@TOZZIL
Interesting that you mentioned the CM Storm Spawn. It’s actually the mouse I’ve been researching extensively ever since I got the G400, as a possible replacement…

However, its small size (length) worries me a bit. I have fairly large hands I would say; long-skinny fingers (I’m a piano player also). Even so, I actually tend to finger tip my mouse as I feel it gives me much more accuracy while doing CG work (I don’t game). Also, from what I understand, the Spawn is still problematic at 800dpi (even with the latest 32 firmware) since this mouse (sensor) was never designed to work natively at 800dpi, but rather at 1800dpi and up.

Regarding my ring finger position, it sits right by the right button, on the black rubberized lip. I’ve never owned or used the MX518. Also, I feel most comfortable at 800-1000 dpi.

How does the spawn's scroll wheel compare to G400; harder to press?

Thanks!

TOZZIL · « **Reply #111 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 04:05:22 »

The small size also worried me a lot before i touched it. For example I hate the shape of the g9, that feels just wrong and too small.
But the shape of the spawn is way better imo, it's pretty wide which I think makes it comfortable to use, while it is still short.
As I said I think i have medium sized hands and have no problems at all touching this mouse; it fits perfectly when I claw-grip it.
For longer fingers and fingertipping I think it'll work fine.
And I didnt like the g400's shape, because I found it to be too long to claw-/fingertip-grip it.

I didn't feel any problems at 800 dpi, though I usually use it at higher dpi. I even leave it at 3500 dpi now and turned windows sens down to 4, so on the desktop it feels like 1750 dpi, which is a likely speed. I have it screwed up to 3200 dpi for gaming, where I use a very low in-game sensitivity, so it results in real mid-sense.
So, if you think 800 is problematic or unstable you can still use the higher dpi levels and tune the sensitivity softwareside.

I think the spawn's scrollwheel is a tad harder to press, but not that much that I remember especially. But the extra buttons under the scroll wheel have a so much better feeling than the buttons over and under the g400's scrollwheel. They feel really wobbly, dont they?

I found it impossible to keep my ringfinger in this position, though the mouse is probably made to be held like that. My finger always slipped down to the side, where it pushed on that lip and gave me pain.

Regards

Stardust · « **Reply #112 on:** Tue, 30 August 2011, 07:25:34 »

@TOZZIL
Thank you for your thoughts. I think I'm going to order this mouse. If I can't get used to it I'll keep the g400 and just wait till the next "mind-blowing" mouse comes out.

TOZZIL · « **Reply #113 on:** Wed, 31 August 2011, 07:46:32 »

Alright, good luck with the spawn.
Have you already had a look at razer's deathadder? A good mouse as well

No problem

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