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GMK Black & Gold



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• INSPIRATION •

Black and gold is a simple but classic combination evoking luxury and elegance. Thus this timeless colourway serves as the basis of this keycap set which utilises GMK’s new metallic ABS material. Golden accents are included for high-end flair; whilst for the high rollers, novelty keycaps themed around Art Deco and Casino Royale are included for extra style points.




• KITS •

Base
[Typical GMK Base Kit. Covers 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL, with terminal ISO, F13, Tsangan support, and minimal compatibility for some Alice, and split space layouts. 3-key 40s physical layout support included]

Art Deco Novelty
[Inspired by the geometric character of the Art Deco aesthetic that flourished in the 1920s. In its heyday, Art Deco represented luxury, glamour, exuberance, and faith in social and technological progress.]

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Casino Royale Novelty
[Featuring classic card suit icons, for fans of card games, whilst also a nod to a great James Bold film.]
v1 of this kit:
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This included novelties for the Backspace, Joker hat(s), and more suits/crowns


Add-Ons Kit
[Additional keys for further compatibility or variety, such as the classic Cherry icons, additional support for HHKB, Windowed Keys (legends are UV-print*), stepped Ctrl icon key, less utilised Shift keys (1.50u, 1u, 2u),  CR black spacebars (1.00u x 2, 1.25u x 1, 1.75u x 2, 2.00u x 1, 3.00u x 2, 6.00u x 1),  and R3 up arrows.]
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This included stepped Ctrl icon key, and R3 up arrow keys


Accent Spacebars Kit
[Besides the usual support for split space keyboard layouts, these gold bars include 2 x 1.75c and 2 x 2.00c bars for additional 40s/ortho support.

NorDEUK
[Pending - depends on demand and UK/EU vendor support.]

Media Kit
[Viability remains uncertain. Let me know if you like it. Also wondering if I should add some further icon keys such as a 1u musical note on R4 to cover a single XT column, and/or more R1 icons such as loop/repeat; shuffle; +/- brightness, etc. I have depicted the icons in outline line style, but I can switch to opaque in-fill if that’s people’s preference]

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Other Kit ideas include Katakana sublegend alphas (for compatibility with GMK Kin to Kuro novelties), or Cangjie sublegend alphas (with Chinese theme novelties based on Dragon or Wukong).

Alternate Alphas Kit
[This kit has been scrapped, but I was floating the idea of alternate alphas in WS1 white, for a monochrome style look. Includes extra modifier keys, so that in combination with the base kit, you could theoretically cover 2 keyboards. We both know you have more than one keyboard.]



• RENDERS •


Werk One by werk.technica

Haus by Hand Engineering

Frog by Geon Works

IRON165 by Smith + Rune
IRON180 by Smith + Rune

M60-A by Rama Works


Disclaimer: Renders shown are for illustrative purposes and may not perfectly display the actual colours. Please refer to the actual sample photos below to see the real colours and texture of existing GMK metallic ABS keycaps.  Do note that the process of creating metallic ABS involves special powders that are subject to the various injection flow patterns in each cap, creating a unique (and unpredictable) result. There will also be ultimately inherent limits in emulating the lustrous and shiny appearance of metal in plastic.
 


• SPECIFICATIONS •

Samples

Quick photo of real-life samples of the metallic gold colourway
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Material: ABS Material
Profile: Cylindrical Cherry Profile
Manufacturing Method: Double shot injection molding
Manufacturer: GMK
Compatibility: MX switches
 

 

• Q&A •

Manufacturer choice?
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GMK for now as it has demonstrated samples with metallic ABS already.


Metallic ABS?
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This set aims to use the exciting new metallic ABS material from GMK. A photo sample of metallic ABS was featured in GMK Kaiju R2 groupbuy - and there also exists other samples of GMK emulating the ‘metallic’ look in other colours to great effect.

As seen in the disclaimer for GMK Kaiju R2 and evident in other photos of that set, metallic plastic has inherent variables which can lead to unpredictable flow variations and streaks on the final result.
 


However unlike Kaiju R2 Mechakaiju base kit, in this keycap set, the metallic ABS is limited to primarily the legends (except for accents), so this effect should be limited on the overall look. However it is impossible to predict whether it will or won't occur, so it will feature on some legends regardless.
I had initially contemplated doing a completely gold keycap set themed Midas but due to these flow streak artefacts, I felt it’d be better limiting it to primarily the legends and accents for now.


Two Novelty Kits?
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Given how well the colourway goes with several themes, I’d like to try to offer 2 novelty kits instead of splitting them into separate groupbuy runs. In fact I had other novelties and themes planned, one of which became GMK Kin to Kuro (Kintsugi and Shogun novelties), whereas others i.e. Midas with Grecian sublegends, Dragon King with Cangjie sublegends will come down the line later.


Will there be other kits /layout compatibility?
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Given the current market conditions, and the likely manufacturer pricing structure and MOQ (minimum order quantity) requirements, I’m unsure which kits would reach MOQ.
Hence why the Extension kit is a combination of spacebars, windowed keys and HHKB support.  It’s not ideal, but it should hopefully make it more likely to hit MOQ.
International kits will be dependent on support/demand and regional vendors, which is always a challenge.

I will be exploring the possibility of combining GB purchases for the Gold spacebars kit and/or Media kit with GMK Kin to Koru GB to make MOQ easier to reach.
If the media kit gets interest, I can explore a separate GB with these molds in basic WoB/beige.


White & Gold?
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It’s in the works! It’s got an awesome theme/novelties to match it but it’ll stay under wraps for now




• DESKMAT •
Pending



• COLLABS •
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• LOGISTICS •
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Estimated Groupbuy Date and Production Timeline to be confirmed.

• VENDORS •
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• MISC •

• FEEDBACK FORM •
Please fill in the Feedback form if you are interested. Thanks!


• SOCIALS •





• ACKNOWLEDGMENTS •

“'Cause if you're not really here
Then I don't wanna be either
I wanna be next to you
Black and gold, black and gold, black and gold.”

Black & Gold by Sam Sparro

Thank you to those who provided help, support or design assistance for this project in some form or another. Special shoutouts in particular to:
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> GMK for the keycap samples
> Nindroid for assistance with the ISO enter Art Deco novelty
> Cutie for the renders and encouraging feedback
> The designers of the respective keyboards in the renders depicted, and also the teams behind Blender, Inkscape, and KRK (Imperfectlink) whose software was used in the development of the visuals of this project.
> Nopunin10did and Konstantin for also being the original kitting wizards whose advice on previous projects of mine (and others) have led to my foundational knowledge and decision making (any mistakes or peculiarities are mine though haha)


« Last Edit: Sun, 15 December 2024, 03:06:28 by Bobatype »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 02:21:44 »
IC Form link not working.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 03:28:47 »
This set is FIRE 🔥 goddamn ima be broke buying up all the extra kits lol. Love the inclusion of media keys and two sets of novelties is fantastic imo. Any chance of sub-legend alpha keys? IC form isn’t working otherwise I’d put that there haha.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 04:34:57 »
IC Form link not working.
Thanks for the heads up. Form link has been fixed (hopefully).

This set is FIRE 🔥 goddamn ima be broke buying up all the extra kits lol. Love the inclusion of media keys and two sets of novelties is fantastic imo. Any chance of sub-legend alpha keys? IC form isn’t working otherwise I’d put that there haha.
Thanks for the lovely words.
In terms of sub-legend alpha keys, I have already kinda covered Japanese sublegends in the IC for GMK Kin to Kuro. The intention is that the Shogun novelties from Kin to Kuro could still be used with either set readily. One idea that your comment has prompted me to seriously consider is a Katakana sublegends alpha kit.
I have considered other sub-legends during the development, but wasn't super confident of it meeting MOQ.
Like others, I'm a bit tentative to post these concepts/novelties on this forum too early due to the frequent cloning of keycap sets and deskmats that has happened to fellow designers and myself. But I've just updated the feedback form with a question about these other ideas.

I can say that I was thinking of doing Cangjie sublegends with a Dragon novelty kit (similar novelties to DCD lunar new year's dragons), which you can preview in the old render concept picture attached (albeit with icon legends).

The novelty kit is called 'Long Wang' (Dragon King in Chinese). I was also considering another novelty kit with the Monkey King as well (I swear I'm not a bandwagon hopping on the recent game's popularity - I do have concept renders and novelties from 2.5 year ago).
If there's interest in this, I'm happy to also offer it too, but I do want to be try and be realistic about how viable it is to offer 4 novelty kit options (6 if you include Kin to Kuro).

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 04:49:16 »
IC Form link not working.
Thanks for the heads up. Form link has been fixed (hopefully).

Unfortunately still not working.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 06:30:28 »
Lovely set!

Could the “Scroll↲Lock” and “Num↲Lock” legends be changed to single-line “Scroll”, “Num”?

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 06:50:25 »
IC Form link not working.
Thanks for the heads up. Form link has been fixed (hopefully).

This set is FIRE 🔥 goddamn ima be broke buying up all the extra kits lol. Love the inclusion of media keys and two sets of novelties is fantastic imo. Any chance of sub-legend alpha keys? IC form isn’t working otherwise I’d put that there haha.
Thanks for the lovely words.
In terms of sub-legend alpha keys, I have already kinda covered Japanese sublegends in the IC for GMK Kin to Kuro. The intention is that the Shogun novelties from Kin to Kuro could still be used with either set readily. One idea that your comment has prompted me to seriously consider is a Katakana sublegends alpha kit.
I have considered other sub-legends during the development, but wasn't super confident of it meeting MOQ.
Like others, I'm a bit tentative to post these concepts/novelties on this forum too early due to the frequent cloning of keycap sets and deskmats that has happened to fellow designers and myself. But I've just updated the feedback form with a question about these other ideas.

I can say that I was thinking of doing Cangjie sublegends with a Dragon novelty kit (similar novelties to DCD lunar new year's dragons), which you can preview in the old render concept picture attached (albeit with icon legends).
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The novelty kit is called 'Long Wang' (Dragon King in Chinese). I was also considering another novelty kit with the Monkey King as well (I swear I'm not a bandwagon hopping on the recent game's popularity - I do have concept renders and novelties from 2.5 year ago).
If there's interest in this, I'm happy to also offer it too, but I do want to be try and be realistic about how viable it is to offer 4 novelty kit options (6 if you include Kin to Kuro).


Yo Monkey King novs would be rad af. I absoulutely love what you are doing here. I am in for both sets 100%.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 18:17:02 »
So... which one came first, this or GMK Gold on Black?

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 19:11:00 »
This is amazing. Will be following, also IC Form link is still not working as of 8:10pm EST.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 20:11:10 »
Lovely set!

Could the “Scroll↲Lock” and “Num↲Lock” legends be changed to single-line “Scroll”, “Num”?
Thanks! Great catch, will change those legends on the base kit, and for the windowed keys in the add-on kit.

So... which one came first, this or GMK Gold on Black?
- "GMK Gold on Black" does not exist as far as I'm aware (from searching Google/Geekhack/matrixzj github)
- Perhaps Gold on Black is what I could title this set as, to follow prior GMK set's naming conventions (such as Grey on Black, White on Black etc.), but I find that 'Black & Gold' runs off the tongue a little better. 'GoB' is also already associated with Grey.
- GMK Lux is a keycap set design that proposed black and pseudo-gold, but that gold was just a matte mustard yellow (metallic materials for GMK did not exist at the time). I think this new material emulates that concept better.
- Black and gold is a well-known combination anyone could come up with, so I'm not going to pretend to be super original here. I just wanted a set that not only complemented all the keyboards with brass/golden accents/knobs/weights, but also offer a variety of kitting options/novelties that really gives you multiple different looks.

This is amazing. Will be following, also IC Form link is still not working as of 8:10pm EST.
Thanks <3.  Cheers for update. Hopefully the form is now working.  I think it's because I was using the shorten URL link generator.
Feedback responses has been helpful thus far  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 06 September 2024, 20:45:17 »
Finally some media keys

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 03:03:58 »
GMK Midas is the same as this? No IC post for that yet. Love the look of this set though.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-QGXE2sOoL/?igsh=MTB5eHJvdW5maDduZQ==


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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 04:26:30 »
Would've loved it even more if it were metal

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 10:57:26 »
Been waiting on this combo and the casino novs aren't too bad either. Hope that Norde kit becomes a reality although I know the chances are slim  :thumb:

Edit: I forgot about the bad qc of the metal flakes so unless it's getting fixed im gonna be holding off
« Last Edit: Sat, 07 September 2024, 12:06:37 by ZavaZ86 »

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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 13:05:39 »
**** yeah to this.

I had thought about running a black and gold set back in 2019 but getting the gold right never seemed possible. So im payched gmk is offering metallic and you did this.

Also really enjoy the casino novelties

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 14:17:24 »
Pittsburgher approved! :thumb:

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 14:20:50 »
GMK Midas is the same as this? No IC post for that yet. Love the look of this set though.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-QGXE2sOoL/?igsh=MTB5eHJvdW5maDduZQ==

Not really, from the looks of Midas it's gonna be a dual color set (white alphas, black mods, gold legends) whereas this will be mono colored set (black alphas & mods with gold legends & accent keys). Sure they're similar, but if Monochrome, Wob, & BoW can all coexist I don't see why these two sets can't.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 07 September 2024, 16:28:34 »
GMK Midas is the same as this? No IC post for that yet. Love the look of this set though.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-QGXE2sOoL/?igsh=MTB5eHJvdW5maDduZQ==

Not really, from the looks of Midas it's gonna be a dual color set (white alphas, black mods, gold legends) whereas this will be mono colored set (black alphas & mods with gold legends & accent keys). Sure they're similar, but if Monochrome, Wob, & BoW can all coexist I don't see why these two sets can't.




Not sure if you saw the second photo in that post, but there is also a monochrome version which is gold on black …

I hope both sets can co-exist 🙏
« Last Edit: Sat, 07 September 2024, 16:31:05 by rgo »

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« Reply #18 on: Sun, 08 September 2024, 12:02:23 »
Big nov extension and spacebar kits are gonna really benefit from getting higher MOQ, and that’s kind of a catch 22, as if the child kit is big, the price is high, and it doesn’t sell terribly well.

If you get a good vendor, they may have advice about this. In the meantime, consider a detailed interest check looking at extension and spacebar kits to see interest in coverage.

It’s a neat design, and unlike other gold on black, this is actually gold, and a full IC.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #19 on: Sun, 08 September 2024, 13:31:54 »
- Added NorDeUK kit render
- Adjusted Base kit and Add-On Kit to reflect change to 1-line-legends of 'Scroll Lock' -> 'Scroll', and 'Num Lock' -> 'Num'

Finally some media keys
Yes, I'm really hoping the Media kit gets made.  Shout out to lukelex who posted the IC for gmk media keys being cool with me proposing something similar to his idea. I'm thinking of adding an additional 1u icon on R4 so it can be used on boards with a single XT column as well, but not super sure what icon to place there. Currently I'm thinking of music note (open playlist/media player) as that seems a bit more useful than a 'stop' or 'loop' etc.

**** yeah to this.

I had thought about running a black and gold set back in 2019 but getting the gold right never seemed possible. So im payched gmk is offering metallic and you did this.

Also really enjoy the casino novelties
Thanks. Yeah, it's awesome that there's a better way to emulate the gold nowadays. Casino felt like a great match to the theme, and yeah I'm contemplating switching to ISO enter for it haha.

Would've loved it even more if it were metal
mmm yes I'm aware that metal keycaps are a thing and would fit well here, but I much prefer to use plastic keycaps for now. I still have reservations about the sound/price/feel of full metal keycaps. Perhaps something to consider in the future.

GMK Midas is the same as this? No IC post for that yet. Love the look of this set though.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-QGXE2sOoL/?igsh=MTB5eHJvdW5maDduZQ==

Not really, from the looks of Midas it's gonna be a dual color set (white alphas, black mods, gold legends) whereas this will be mono colored set (black alphas & mods with gold legends & accent keys). Sure they're similar, but if Monochrome, Wob, & BoW can all coexist I don't see why these two sets can't.

Not sure if you saw the second photo in that post, but there is also a monochrome version which is gold on black …

I hope both sets can co-exist 🙏
Prior to this IC, I wasn't aware that Manu had been cooking something similar that he titled as Midas, nor was he aware of my project (it was only hinted in my discord, and I wasn't following his socials). It's unfortunate but not surprising that we independently came up with the same/similar colour combination at the same time following GMK revealing its new materials. It appears that we both asked and received same samples from the manufacturer months ago too.  I just happened to have posted here earlier than he did. We've since had a discussion and Manu's decided graciously decided to pivot and step away from pushing forward his proposal under GMK.

Big nov extension and spacebar kits are gonna really benefit from getting higher MOQ, and that’s kind of a catch 22, as if the child kit is big, the price is high, and it doesn’t sell terribly well.

If you get a good vendor, they may have advice about this. In the meantime, consider a detailed interest check looking at extension and spacebar kits to see interest in coverage.

It’s a neat design, and unlike other gold on black, this is actually gold, and a full IC.
Thanks for the pointers. Yeah food for thought and will definitely need to discuss with vendors on the best approach on that extension/spacebars add-on kit. CR black spacebars already exist and since I prefer alice/split support in base, it felt a bit awkward to have a black spacebar only kit, and combining them with gold accent spacebars didn't feel like the right move.
In fact, the initial add-on kit was a little bit bigger, but I decided to split the media keys off. 
I was also considering M1-M10 macro keys, but don't think there's sufficient demand them, so decided to provide sufficient keys in each novelty kit to at least provide physical coverage for XT-layouts instead (and other layouts that benefit from 2 x 1u 'modifiers' on each row)

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 08 September 2024, 16:10:41 »
Can confirm that Boba was working on a black and gold set long before Manu posted the IG pictures.

However, I am kind of confused by the existence of two black and gold sets though, - seems like combining them with more child kit options is more likely to succeed in the current hobby climate - I think having two sets that are so similar would likely just divide sales between them. I'd probably be in for the Black & Gold Base, an alternate alphas from Kin to Kuro, and the Casino Royale and Kintsugi novs
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 09 September 2024, 01:52:50 »
Is it possible to get 2 pieces of 1.75u spacebar and 1 more of that 1.25 shift key like many 40s kits from ePBT? Very interested. Only a few GMK sets provide this demand :(

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« Reply #22 on: Mon, 09 September 2024, 15:22:07 »
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Prior to this IC, I wasn't aware that Manu had been cooking something similar that he titled as Midas, nor was he aware of my project (it was only hinted in my discord, and I wasn't following his socials). It's unfortunate but not surprising that we independently came up with the same/similar colour combination at the same time following GMK revealing its new materials. It appears that we both asked and received same samples from the manufacturer months ago too.  I just happened to have posted here earlier than he did. We've since had a discussion and Manu's decided graciously decided to pivot and step away from pushing forward his proposal under GMK.

Not gonna like, this is quite disheartening for those of us who prefer the white alphas. Personally from the teasers he's posted, Manu's novelties look more interesting and refined than these. Please consider asking Manu if you can work together instead of outright killing his set.

Aside from that, the kitting here needs work. There is no chance all these child kits will meet MOQ and frankly, most of them are unnecessary. Stick with one novelty kit to go with the usual necessary child kits. Also, I think the novelty kits you have are way too large to be reasonably priced. Please go through and overhaul the kitting to more closely resemble sets that have succeeded recently in the current state of the hobby.

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« Reply #23 on: Mon, 09 September 2024, 19:38:32 »
Aside from that, the kitting here needs work. There is no chance all these child kits will meet MOQ and frankly, most of them are unnecessary. Stick with one novelty kit to go with the usual necessary child kits. Also, I think the novelty kits you have are way too large to be reasonably priced. Please go through and overhaul the kitting to more closely resemble sets that have succeeded recently in the current state of the hobby.

I do think there are some kits that are unlikely to be worth it - how many people in the hobby have keyboards that make use of media keys? - but Carbon R3 just ran with a 33 key novelty kit at $45, and other sets have been in the same ballpark. We made a lot of kitting choices with ZX around keeping costs down while doing the whole R0-R5 thing and a TON of custom molds + UV printing, and the final pricing we were able to run with with Drop was a pleasant surprise - we had initially not even thought it was worth discussing with GMK the cost for doing the sublegends based on things we had previously known to be true, particularly since there would still need to be UV front print, but it ended up being possible. It's not like GMK is a black hole where you get no feedback on things until the final quote process, so it's probably worth talking to them to see what options there are for making things happen.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 10 September 2024, 07:26:00 »
Can confirm that Boba was working on a black and gold set long before Manu posted the IG pictures.

However, I am kind of confused by the existence of two black and gold sets fro, - seems like combining them with more child kit options is more likely to succeed in the current hobby climate - I think having two sets that are so similar would likely just divide sales between them. I'd probably be in for the Black & Gold Base, an alternate alphas from Kin to Kuro, and the Casino Royale and Kintsugi novs
That's a fair point and very possible route I might take instead.
I really want the kana base kit to succeed, which is why I posted it as a separate thread/IC but it's probably a bit awkward doing it as a separate GB.
I'm considering that the best route for me is to merge it all under the same Black & Gold umbrella/IC to avoid confusion; since both IC set have overlapping identical child kits (media and accent spacebars) to meet MOQ.
Perhaps I could go with a latin base kit, a kana base kit (potentially with kana sublegends on alphas instead of kana-only monolegends). [I will hope/pray for vendor support/community interest in the second base kit], and look to have a kana alpha kit (not sure if it should be monolegend or sublegend).

Is it possible to get 2 pieces of 1.75u spacebar and 1 more of that 1.25 shift key like many 40s kits from ePBT? Very interested. Only a few GMK sets provide this demand :(
There's actually 2 x 1.75u spacebars in both the add-ons kit and the gold spacebars kit specifically for 40 users.
I don't think there's enough demand and need for an additional 1.25u shift key... as that key can be physically substituted readily with a R4 1.25u novelty or fn key.

Aside from that, the kitting here needs work. There is no chance all these child kits will meet MOQ and frankly, most of them are unnecessary. Stick with one novelty kit to go with the usual necessary child kits. Also, I think the novelty kits you have are way too large to be reasonably priced. Please go through and overhaul the kitting to more closely resemble sets that have succeeded recently in the current state of the hobby.

I do think there are some kits that are unlikely to be worth it - how many people in the hobby have keyboards that make use of media keys? - but Carbon R3 just ran with a 33 key novelty kit at $45, and other sets have been in the same ballpark. We made a lot of kitting choices with ZX around keeping costs down while doing the whole R0-R5 thing and a TON of custom molds + UV printing, and the final pricing we were able to run with with Drop was a pleasant surprise - we had initially not even thought it was worth discussing with GMK the cost for doing the sublegends based on things we had previously known to be true, particularly since there would still need to be UV front print, but it ended up being possible. It's not like GMK is a black hole where you get no feedback on things until the final quote process, so it's probably worth talking to them to see what options there are for making things happen.

I totally understand the concerns about the number of child kits. I'm not 100% sure what is viable, but since it's still interest check phase, I really wanted to test the waters and propose what I can, such as the standalone gold accent spacebar, media kit and the larger novelty kits. I won't know unless I try.
The novelty kits are large, but I like offering multiple options as I find it gives the most personality and unique look. By offering some extra novelties, I can provide a fun substitute in terms of coverage for uncommon layouts (i.e. XT macro columns; ortho/split that run with mainly 1u modifiers). Multiple bot row novelties also means that those who choose get an additional alpha kit, will have more flexible options when it comes their bot row modifier layout if they want to cover 2 keyboards as well.
Thanks for the insights cthalupa on your experience from the ZX GB on this topic!

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« Reply #25 on: Wed, 11 September 2024, 23:55:58 »
i love gooooooooooooold

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #26 on: Thu, 12 September 2024, 01:49:57 »
NorDeUK kit should be an option to pick in the IC form?

I just wrote it in the comment text box but seems strange :-)
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« Reply #27 on: Fri, 13 September 2024, 11:24:11 »
absolutely love this set !!!

i remap and use media keys religiously so if those get made it would be amazing~
not to mention both novelty kits are just up my alley ⟡

however-- the joker hat nov in the casino royale kit throws me a bit off. cant quite put my finger on it but i think it might be: if you consider the shape of a typical joker hat, it doesnt really make sense for there to be a gap between the left and right dangly parts, unless there is a fourth one (invisible to our eye due to positioning) in front of the back one but behind the front two ? or the blacked-out one is in front... but if that was the case then the left and right ones should be smooshed a little towards the center where they all meet. either way-- would recommend modifying that one design if you can! perhaps bring in the side parts so there is no gap, change the inner shape, or draw out the fourth 'front' part's silhouette ?

also, the overall design language of the casino royale kit leans into solid blocks and silhouettes-- the lined hand+sword and joker hat seem a bit out of place to me

regardless though-- love where this set is going and hope it comes to fruition !! will be following and supporting for sure ♡
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 16 September 2024, 21:49:28 »
i love gooooooooooooold
Who doesn't? :)

NorDeUK kit should be an option to pick in the IC form?

I just wrote it in the comment text box but seems strange :-)
Hi thanks for pointing that out, I've added it to the IC form, alongside a JP sublegends alpha kit.


absolutely love this set !!!

i remap and use media keys religiously so if those get made it would be amazing~
not to mention both novelty kits are just up my alley ⟡

however-- the joker hat nov in the casino royale kit throws me a bit off. cant quite put my finger on it but i think it might be: if you consider the shape of a typical joker hat, it doesnt really make sense for there to be a gap between the left and right dangly parts, unless there is a fourth one (invisible to our eye due to positioning) in front of the back one but behind the front two ? or the blacked-out one is in front... but if that was the case then the left and right ones should be smooshed a little towards the center where they all meet. either way-- would recommend modifying that one design if you can! perhaps bring in the side parts so there is no gap, change the inner shape, or draw out the fourth 'front' part's silhouette ?

also, the overall design language of the casino royale kit leans into solid blocks and silhouettes-- the lined hand+sword and joker hat seem a bit out of place to me

regardless though-- love where this set is going and hope it comes to fruition !! will be following and supporting for sure ♡
Thanks for the feedback :)
Your comment made me realise that the render is a little inaccurate and using an older illustration of the joker hat. The hat is missing a band that gives it a little more height and better proportions. Please see picture below of an initial draft kitting for novelties:
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I didn't add a fourth dangly part behind because I wanted to keep it simple and adding a fourth part would've it look more detailed, making it more 3 dimensional as well, and yeah more stylistic mismatch.
The lined sword novelty on the 2u Backspace is based on the sword that King character in cards typically holds. I can cull it if people don't like it, or consider a switch to something else if there were any good ideas. One alternate idea was the lucky 7s from Slots (perhaps without the rectangular silhouettes seen in the above picture), however I wasn't sure about the appeal of that; and I prefer the 7s as 3 x 1u for the PrtScr, Scroll, Pause cluster for TKL.
I'm also not sure how popular the use of novelty for backspace is to be honest (I'm sure there's many here who prefer split backspace anyways) so I'm open to culling it the feeling towards it is lukewarm and there's no better ideas. At the moment, I've no plans to add the slot lucky 7s as seen in the draft above unless there's a fair amount of interest.


As mentioned before, I'm considering merging the GMK Kin to Koru IC with this to simplify it. Or just running black & gold first, and hold of the Japanese Black & Gold version for the future...

If they were merged, my current idea is 2 base kits perhaps:
Standard base kit - latin alphas with mix icon/text modifier legends (current)
Japanese kana base kit -  katakana modifier legends with JP alphas
> considering if the alphas should switch from monolegend to katakana sublegends for the base kit instead?

I would still like to offer a JP Alpha Kit (either kana monolegends, hiragana sublegend, or katakana sublegend) for those who will prefer getting the latin base kit. I've added this as a question/poll to the feedback form to determine the interest in this too, and what sublegends ppl prefer.

However I still end up with 4 novelty kits available... Art Deco, Casino Royale, Kintsugi and Shogun, and I like them all...
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 20 September 2024, 15:55:03 »
Love the novelties and the metallic gold finish. Such luxury!

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 14 October 2024, 16:06:00 »
I need this, hoping the white and gold set happens
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 14 October 2024, 16:44:35 »
Has anybody brought up the issue with special effect especially on keys such as enter, and esc will have unpredictable and undesirable pattern. As much the gold looks luxurious. It would turn out like CYL Kaiju Part Deux which turns out very crusty and not appealing.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 03 November 2024, 13:17:52 »
I would buy macro keys if you added them :) Although I agree that between novs and media keys they're not strictly necessary. Grateful they're not relegendables

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #33 on: Sat, 09 November 2024, 11:55:32 »
Love the designing of this set, all the kits, metallic gold coloring, and those novelties.  Finally a set with enough 1.25 [novelty] keys (I always use a TKL board with seven 1.25 keys in R4)!
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 04 December 2024, 13:22:54 »
absolutely love this set !!!

i remap and use media keys religiously so if those get made it would be amazing~
not to mention both novelty kits are just up my alley ⟡

however-- the joker hat nov in the casino royale kit throws me a bit off. I generally like this casino aesthetic, and I even tried to find some good bonuses at https://playsafecasino.ca/nunavut-online-casinos/ on the advice of a friend and play. I liked the visual design there.  cant quite put my finger on it but i think it might be: if you consider the shape of a typical joker hat, it doesnt really make sense for there to be a gap between the left and right dangly parts, unless there is a fourth one (invisible to our eye due to positioning) in front of the back one but behind the front two ? or the blacked-out one is in front... but if that was the case then the left and right ones should be smooshed a little towards the center where they all meet. either way-- would recommend modifying that one design if you can! perhaps bring in the side parts so there is no gap, change the inner shape, or draw out the fourth 'front' part's silhouette ?

also, the overall design language of the casino royale kit leans into solid blocks and silhouettes-- the lined hand+sword and joker hat seem a bit out of place to me

regardless though-- love where this set is going and hope it comes to fruition !! will be following and supporting for sure ♡
Oh, you are so right! I completely understand your point about the Casino Royale joker hat - I think its shape needs to be refined to better fit the typical silhouette. Your suggestion to bring the sides closer together or to stretch the silhouette of the fourth “front” part makes a lot of sense. This could certainly make the design more coherent and logical.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 09 December 2024, 10:45:51 »
This kit got my vote :D
looking forward to the GB
hope you can make it faster ;D

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 09 December 2024, 13:40:08 »
Art Deco novelties looks stunning!
Can't wait for the GB

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #37 on: Tue, 10 December 2024, 15:30:08 »
Looks gorgeous, count me in!

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 05:15:43 »
is this actually going to be a thing or it's another set you... uh, took over like monorange which is now stuck in IC limbo

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 05:55:31 »
Hi,
I'm in discussion with a potential NA vendor on adjusting the kitting and getting a quote from GMK soon. I'm committed at this stage to offer both novelty kits.
Current line-up of vendors from other regions include zFrontier (CN), Deskhero (CA), Prototypist (UK), ktechs.store (SG).
Once the lead vendor from NA is confirmed, I'll finalise other regions such as EU and OCE.

To make costs a little bit more reasonable, the following are some proposed culls to the following kits:




I've placed examples of the new Joker hat in the top right corner so you can see what it would look like following a revision, however I'm considering if it's better to just cull to reduce the kit's cost.



I'm open to feedback if you'd like to retain a certain key, but I've tried to keep the essence of the novelties for the most common layouts where possible.
Due to the number of child kits, the media kit might not make the cut.
I'm also considering reducing the number of spacebars in the gold accent spacebars if it's a little too expensive.

At the moment, I'm aiming for a late Jan to early February group-buy date.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 06:58:07 »
To be fair, it seems Monorange was stuck in IC limbo for years before it was taken over anyway, so it's not like things have been made worse.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 07:18:06 »
To be fair, it seems Monorange was stuck in IC limbo for years before it was taken over anyway, so it's not like things have been made worse.

lovely how I'm getting ignored by the designer himself and get replies from some random person, in any case it's not very relevant who's in charge of the project (sort of), point is someone's hogging it without pushing it ahead.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #42 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 08:38:19 »
Hi tactilesbads,
I understand your frustration. Apologies, I did say I plan to takeover GMK Monorange, but I 100% got distracted with other projects. I mean I even came up with new novelties for Monorange, but halfway through rendering it out on some keyboards, life got in the way. Thanks for the reminder.
However, I would appreciate it you could leave further comments about it on that IC thread so we can talk about the relevant progress in the appropriate topic thread. There's no need for such a tangent here.

I am currently focused on getting this keycap set out, but it's taken me a while to figure out the whole vendor angle, as I really wanted to go with a NA vendor that would support offering both novelty kits.
I'll be aiming to submit the kits to GMK for quotes in the next week so the vendor and I can figure out if a reasonable retail price can be set for it.

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 18:35:54 »
liking these color combos

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 13 December 2024, 18:43:06 »
I'm open to feedback if you'd like to retain a certain key, but I've tried to keep the essence of the novelties for the most common layouts where possible.

I do like a stepped control. That'd be a shame to cut for me anyway.
Could the Supers and Alt be moved to the base kit to enable some more space in that kit? Seems to be quite popular to sit in base at the moment.

With the novelties, I'd take note to try to keep some resemblance of an XT column set in there somehow that isn't full of duplicates so that it does some double duty.
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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #45 on: Sun, 15 December 2024, 04:04:06 »
I'm open to feedback if you'd like to retain a certain key, but I've tried to keep the essence of the novelties for the most common layouts where possible.

I do like a stepped control. That'd be a shame to cut for me anyway.
Could the Supers and Alt be moved to the base kit to enable some more space in that kit? Seems to be quite popular to sit in base at the moment.

With the novelties, I'd take note to try to keep some resemblance of an XT column set in there somehow that isn't full of duplicates so that it does some double duty.

I also like stepped control. Perhaps it could be re-included if others also want it. I'll probably try and get an initial quote without it to see where the cost of the add-on kit is at first.
I'm a bit wary of the base kit price (as I've already included 4-key 40s, alice bars, accent keys for arrow and numpad enter), so will prefer to keep the supers and alt separate for now.
Both initial novelty kits included enough compatibility for double column XT coverage, however that was perhaps too ambitious.
I've scrapped the Joker hats, but  I'm wondering if it's worth keeping the sword on R1 backspace and/or the 1u Club suit on R3


I've since updated the post with new kit images with keycap size labels.

Here's v2 of the Add-on, Art Deco and Casino Royale kits.

Art Deco Novelty
v1 of this kit:
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Casino Royale Novelty
v1 of this kit:
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This included novelties for the Backspace, Joker hat(s), and more suits/crowns

Add-Ons Kit
v1 of this kit:
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This included stepped Ctrl icon key, and R3 up arrow keys

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 19 December 2024, 04:17:37 »
Nooo, please return the XT row for Art Deco.
Maybe move some novelties from one row to other to form an XT column?

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 23 December 2024, 01:03:01 »
I hope the mac command keys can come back :(

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 30 December 2024, 06:58:33 »
Hi,
I'm in discussion with a potential NA vendor on adjusting the kitting and getting a quote from GMK soon. I'm committed at this stage to offer both novelty kits.
Current line-up of vendors from other regions include zFrontier (CN), Deskhero (CA), Prototypist (UK), ktechs.store (SG).
Once the lead vendor from NA is confirmed, I'll finalise other regions such as EU and OCE.

To make costs a little bit more reasonable, the following are some proposed culls to the following kits:

Show Image


Show Image

I've placed examples of the new Joker hat in the top right corner so you can see what it would look like following a revision, however I'm considering if it's better to just cull to reduce the kit's cost.

Show Image


I'm open to feedback if you'd like to retain a certain key, but I've tried to keep the essence of the novelties for the most common layouts where possible.
Due to the number of child kits, the media kit might not make the cut.
I'm also considering reducing the number of spacebars in the gold accent spacebars if it's a little too expensive.

At the moment, I'm aiming for a late Jan to early February group-buy date.

removing coverage for macro columns really sucks and makes me not want to buy at all

you've left the poker set a single r3 1u key away from XT coverage.

> Both initial novelty kits included enough compatibility for double column XT coverage

so you've gotten rid of it for both? what is the price difference we are talking about? are we ruining both sets to save 10 bucks?
« Last Edit: Mon, 30 December 2024, 07:09:01 by linearscringe »

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Re: [IC] GMK CYL Black & Gold | ft. Art Deco and Casino Royale novelties
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 30 December 2024, 07:25:58 »
I'd really like to see double XT coverage returned to the art deco kit which was what got me committed to this set. perhaps some of the 7 unique r1 novs or the 1.25u novs could be cut instead as I've noticed that people building TKLs with GMK have a slight preference for 7u bottom. or maybe we don't need alice bars in the base since they're also in 2 other kits, so that could maybe make up for a pricier art deco, or maybe it could just be a little more expensive. It's unfortunate that it's the NA vendor making you remove these keys because as an NA customer I'd rather pay an arm and a leg to order it from zFrontier than get it without the macro support
« Last Edit: Mon, 30 December 2024, 07:44:10 by linearscringe »