Author Topic: Successor to the MX518: The G400 (Read 43253 times)

daerid · « **on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 19:31:39 »

New Logitech G400 Gaming Mouse

Damnit, right when I spring for a new MX518... hopefully this proves to be a worth successor. And that rubberized grip, *yum*

Brodie337 · « **Reply #1 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 20:17:29 »

Been a fan of the MX518 for a long time, and I'm glad they got rid of that ultra glossy (and ugly) top on the thing. I'd rather they used a textured plastic on the grip like the G700, rather than the rubber coating, but even then, I might have to pick one up and have a play with it.

The Solutor · « **Reply #2 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 21:03:09 »

Quote from: ripster;358175

Nifty. Looks pretty generic compared to the original.

Another boring reiteration of the good old MX700 (AD 2003) that at least was cordless

daerid · « **Reply #3 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 22:15:04 »

Who cares if its boring. It feels good in the hand, and if it tracks well, I'm sold. My old MX500 was one of my all time favorite mice, so I'm fairly excited about this :-D

Arc'xer · « **Reply #4 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 22:24:47 »

Shame they didn't also add a MX300-clone for a smaller, lighter version with better feet.

Wonder what sensor it uses seems to be an ADNS-3090 but the specs are different either it's a logitech SROM version or maybe they reconstructed the 3080 used on the 518 added a 16-bit buffer, polling rate adjustable, and a new MCU and called it a day.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #5 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 23:01:05 »

Maybe if they made a "Gaming" trackball

chel- · « **Reply #6 on:** Thu, 09 June 2011, 23:15:53 »

Looking good. Im using the mx518 right now but I'll still likely buy one when it comes out. At least logitech sees that they actually made a good mouse.

The Solutor · « **Reply #7 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 01:07:54 »

Quote from: daerid;358214

Who cares if its boring. It feels good in the hand, and if it tracks well, I'm sold. My old MX500 was one of my all time favorite mice, so I'm fairly excited about this :-D

I mean that while the mx 700 was an awesome mouse for its time, looks incredible to see a 50 euro logitech mouse that lacks even the hyperwheel in 2011.

BTW I agree the form factor is very good

daerid · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 01:37:43 »

Quote from: The Solutor;358284

I mean that while the mx 700 was an awesome mouse for its time, looks incredible to see a 50 euro logitech mouse that lacks even the hyperwheel in 2011.

BTW I agree the form factor is very good

I think its Logitech realizing that with the mx518, they had a winner, as proven by the constant high demand and sales of the device. What other gaming mouse has seen a 6 year production run? So, they didn't want to screw with a successful product. Just take the existing one, fix a few issues, and beef it up. But other than that, don't change anything.

Smart move if you ask me. Besides, if you want the hyperwheel in this form factor, there is always the G500

Arc'xer · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 02:12:46 »

Would be nice if they did the same with the (G1/G3/MX300) and (MX310/Optical click!) bodies add two sidebuttons per side, new feet, better quality, better buttons etc.etc.

As for the sensor it's not ADNS-3090, it's actually the very same ADNS-3080 they doubled the max DPI, mouse prediction is the same level as the 518(cannot be toggled on/off), and allowed the sensor to change polling rate so it should be easier than before and reduced the cable weight by 25% and made it thinner. Still weighs the same about 106g so it's still pretty heavy to those used to lighter palm grip mice(unless they decided to remove excess weight).

vun · « **Reply #10 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 02:27:01 »

Hmm, been considering picking up a MX518 for giggles lately, but this looks a lot better. Hopefully it's not a "we tried to fix it but sorry we accidentally broke it" kind of thing.

The Solutor · « **Reply #11 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 02:49:29 »

Quote from: daerid;358300

I think its Logitech realizing that with the mx518, they had a winner, as proven by the constant high demand and sales of the device.

I'm not saying this mouse is bad, it just lacks completely the innovations that Logitech has in its tray.

Good wireless, iperwheel, smartshift, sidewheel, 3 years battery life, optical buttons and so on.

It's a basic, good shaped mouse, nothing more that. And from this point of view is very overpriced.

Just compare it with an M705, great wireless, unifying receiver, 3 years battery life, a better (almost perfect) form factor, hyperwheel and so on and it sells for less than 40$...

vun · « **Reply #12 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 05:11:19 »

Quote from: The Solutor;358316

I'm not saying this mouse is bad, it just lacks completely the innovations that Logitech has in its tray.

Good wireless, iperwheel, smartshift, sidewheel, 3 years battery life, optical buttons and so on.

It's a basic, good shaped mouse, nothing more that. And from this point of view is very overpriced.

Just compare it with an M705, great wireless, unifying receiver, 3 years battery life, a better (almost perfect) form factor, hyperwheel and so on and it sells for less than 40$...

If you want hyperwheel etc. Logitech has quite a few mice with those. Get one of those instead. This mouse is for those who want a refined MX518.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #13 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 05:37:25 »

Looks like the Japanese MX518, just with different sensor >.>

Brodie337 · « **Reply #14 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 06:20:04 »

What made the Japanese 518 different from the regular one?

The Solutor · « **Reply #15 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 08:43:49 »

Quote

If you want hyperwheel etc. Logitech has quite a few mice with those. Get one of those instead.

I have a Revolution VX, a Revolution MX BT, a M705, a M620 so I really don't need anything more (surely not a basic wired mouse for 50$).

I could give a try to a wireless mouse with the MX700 form factor, with a modern sensor and some other innovation, but it is still missing on the logitech line.

daerid · « **Reply #16 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:09:55 »

Quote from: vun;358328

If you want hyperwheel etc. Logitech has quite a few mice with those. Get one of those instead. This mouse is for those who want a refined MX518.

Exactly. I, for one, can't stand the hyperwheel. Nor do I like wireless mice in general, or the form factor of the m705. For me, the MX series shape is damn near perfect. And that makes this new G400 damn near perfect. Which makes this mouse, from my point of view, UNDER-priced.

For some, new innovations do not a better mouse make.

The Solutor · « **Reply #17 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:36:46 »

Quote from: daerid;358370

And that makes this new G400 damn near perfect. Which makes this mouse, from my point of view, UNDER-priced.

After the premature death (less than six months) of my MX700 i bought this.

http://www.amazon.com/A4Tech-Office-Wireless-Optical-RP-680/dp/B0009U7FIQ

Identical form factor, great sensor, wireless, 4 AA battery and a charger supplied, 8 (handy) programmable buttons, I used it for three years before selling it to a person that is still using that mouse today.

And I paid it 16 euro. this is what I call underpriced.

phillip · « **Reply #18 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:49:30 »

**** the hyperwheel, i'm glad this doesn't have it

The Solutor · « **Reply #19 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 09:54:38 »

too bad it has a laser sensor and not a rubber ball :happy:

audioave10 · « **Reply #20 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 11:15:20 »

I just bought a MX518 from the Egg ($34.99/free shipping). This is a great mouse for me. I don't care for wireless stuff and batteries/charger hassles.

The Solutor · « **Reply #21 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 13:45:56 »

35$, indeed, is a way more appropriate price for a mouse of this kind

J888www · « **Reply #22 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 14:02:05 »

I am using a MX518 and wish the "Successor" is wireless with a mini Unifier usb and runs on 1 AA battery same as my M310 (cannot stop in game to recharge, 2 batteries is a little too heavy) or I would like my M310 to have the same shell as the MX518.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #23 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:36:22 »

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;358333

Looks like the Japanese MX518, just with different sensor >.>

See here...

chel- · « **Reply #24 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 15:43:08 »

I just wish they would remake the g9 with the mx518 sensor.

Arc'xer · « **Reply #25 on:** Fri, 10 June 2011, 16:13:15 »

Quote from: TheSoulhunter;358333

Looks like the Japanese MX518, just with different sensor >.>

Quote from: No same sensor ADNS-3080

Would be nice if they did the same with the (G1/G3/MX300) and (MX310/Optical click!) bodies add two sidebuttons per side, new feet, better quality, better buttons etc.etc.

As for the sensor it's not ADNS-3090, it's actually the very same ADNS-3080 they doubled the max DPI, mouse prediction is the same level as the 518(cannot be toggled on/off), and allowed the sensor to change polling rate so it should be easier than before and reduced the cable weight by 25% and made it thinner. Still weighs the same about 106g so it's still pretty heavy to those used to lighter palm grip mice(unless they decided to remove excess weight).

Like mentioned above Logicool MX518 is the same US/EU MX518 but with a different shell and color.

Quote from: chel-;358634

I just wish they would remake the g9 with the mx518 sensor.

Not a bad idea if they had the sensor in the center.

noodles256 · « **Reply #26 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 20:31:04 »

hopefully it isn't glossy, can't really tell from the pics

Arc'xer · « **Reply #27 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 21:00:24 »

Quote from: noodles256;359219

hopefully it isn't glossy, can't really tell from the pics

Matte, not glossy top. Grips(sides) are the same.

Brodie337 · « **Reply #28 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 21:11:10 »

I imagine the sides will be rubberized

Sent from my HTC Incredible S using Tapatalk

noodles256 · « **Reply #29 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 21:23:57 »

matte is good.

gotta tip, register your logitech product and they give you 20% off code.

I just did and got one

Wallach · « **Reply #30 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 22:05:21 »

Quote from: chel-;358634

I just wish they would remake the g9 with the mx518 sensor.

Seriously. MX518 sensor isn't quite perfect but I'll take the correction over acceleration any day.

daerid · « **Reply #31 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:15:56 »

Quote from: noodles256;359231

matte is good.

gotta tip, register your logitech product and they give you 20% off code.

I just did and got one

Woulda been awesome to know before I pre ordered one

noodles256 · « **Reply #32 on:** Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:37:53 »

just cancel and reorder =]

Bilbin · « **Reply #33 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 03:31:12 »

Quote from: Wallach;359248

Seriously. MX518 sensor isn't quite perfect but I'll take the correction over acceleration any day.

No sensor is perfect but the sensor of the MX518 did have an amazing malfunction speed.
I can't even rocket jump with a IME 3.0

J888www · « **Reply #34 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 08:45:18 »

Quote from: Bilbin;359337

No sensor is perfect but the sensor of the MX518 did have an amazing malfunction speed.
I can't even rocket jump with a IME 3.0

I would have to contradict you as there are some sensors which have NO Prediction/Correction and these are considered to be perfect sensors. The IME 3.0 is one with a sensor (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04) which is considered to be perfect, it does exactly what your hand movements "monkey sees monkey" do, which is the reason why many gamers use this IME 3.0
If it "can't even rocket jump", maybe it is NOT supposed to................?

There are two versions of the MX518, look to the base and if you see there are 5 small mouse skates (+ transparent base) then it is the old version. The new version have 3 larger mouse skates and no transparent base.

The MX518, Death Adder and some others.... are considered to be near perfect, it can be made perfect through firmware manipulation.

noodles256 · « **Reply #35 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 11:26:26 »

777 posts!

J888www · « **Reply #36 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 11:50:47 »

Quote from: noodles256;359463

777 posts!

TYVM for the notification, I am blind ! :sad:

Hope that I'll get to 888, before the end of me. :pray:

You always remind me of the film "Once Upon a Time in America", but I forget reason as to why ?

noodles256 · « **Reply #37 on:** Sun, 12 June 2011, 12:12:16 »

ty for the compliment.

I feel like a court jester

keyboardlover · « **Reply #38 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 08:31:08 »

Wlcm 2 GH.

Quack.

J888www · « **Reply #39 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 16:23:14 »

Quote from: ripster;359485

Really? Noodles256 always reminds me of Ramen.

Ah, yes, Noodles the character played by my favourite actor, Robert De Niro in that film. My memory comes and goes, sometimes it just fades away.

Ramen, some Ramen, my MX518 for some Ramen, Ramen with sliced bananas.

panda-R · « **Reply #40 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 22:15:04 »

Quote from: J888www;360185

Ah, yes, Noodles the character played by my favourite actor, Robert De Niro in that film. My memory comes and goes, sometimes it just fades away.

Ramen, some Ramen, my MX518 for some Ramen, Ramen with sliced bananas.

lol wut? u are da best j888www!

Bucky · « **Reply #41 on:** Mon, 13 June 2011, 22:23:26 »

Wish i had waited a little longer to buy the MX 518, this one is definitely less ugly than the metal 518, oh well maybe for my next mouse.

Bilbin · « **Reply #42 on:** Fri, 17 June 2011, 16:54:56 »

Quote from: J888www;359376

I would have to contradict you as there are some sensors which have NO Prediction/Correction and these are considered to be perfect sensors. The IME 3.0 is one with a sensor (STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04) which is considered to be perfect, it does exactly what your hand movements "monkey sees monkey" do, which is the reason why many gamers use this IME 3.0
If it "can't even rocket jump", maybe it is NOT supposed to................?

There are two versions of the MX518, look to the base and if you see there are 5 small mouse skates (+ transparent base) then it is the old version. The new version have 3 larger mouse skates and no transparent base.

The MX518, Death Adder and some others.... are considered to be near perfect, it can be made perfect through firmware manipulation.

Perhaps I should have clarified by saying that the MLT04 is not perfect for me or anyone else that uses more than 30-40cm/360 sensitivity or really just moves their mouse faster than a casual. Rocket jumping in Quake Live was used only as an example, I meant really that any fast flick causes the sensor to malfunction, greatly hindering my performance level.

Also that people's idea of a perfect mouse is greatly biased. I find a sensor to be perfect if it is not affected by angle snapping or acceleration, be it positive or negative at any speed the mouse is being moved at.

If the MX300/500 could be set to 500/1000Hz without overclocking the USB ports so I could take it to LANs it would be the perfect mouse, for me.

nmd · « **Reply #43 on:** Mon, 20 June 2011, 02:17:42 »

Nice, my only problem with the MX518 was the glossiness. Looks nicer this way too.

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #44 on:** Mon, 20 June 2011, 13:06:44 »

Just to spoil the fun...
From my Japanese MX518 I can tell that the matte finish will get shiny spots after some time!

daerid · « **Reply #45 on:** Mon, 20 June 2011, 14:07:00 »

So apparently they're available starting yesterday. I haven't received a shipping notice yet from Logitech. Anybody pick one up yet? Or anybody who preordered get a shipping notice?

TheSoulhunter · « **Reply #46 on:** Tue, 21 June 2011, 14:40:01 »

Quote from: ripster;364103

Well, so does the MX518.

It's like shiny spacebars. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Entropy
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Sure you didnt use this mouse as bait for your last bear trap?
Seriously, the matte finish wears like Filco keycaps...

daerid · « **Reply #47 on:** Tue, 21 June 2011, 15:38:17 »

I neurotically keep all my peripherals clean. Any time I see or feel a build up of the "sweat gunk" I have to go get a q-tip or cloth or something and rub that baby down until she's clean.

Bilbin · « **Reply #48 on:** Wed, 22 June 2011, 04:33:48 »

I clean my mouse with methylated spirits, used to clean my keyboards with it as well until I got a filco

daerid · « **Reply #49 on:** Wed, 22 June 2011, 13:13:14 »

Wow. So these aren't shipping until July. Logitech is basically saying that if you pre-ordered, you gotta wait another 2-3 weeks, or you can go pick it up at Best Buy.

What ****wads. I specifically pre-ordered from Logitech so I wouldn't have to wait or go to a retail store to pick this up.

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Author Topic: Successor to the MX518: The G400 (Read 43253 times)