CM Storm Novatouch Pre-Launch Showcase & First Impressions & Typing test

[YuukiHaruto]

Cooler Master's gaming division CM STORM is preparing to launch a new keyboard.





"Oh no, not another keyboard again?!" Well this one is entirely radically new and different. That's why I'm here to give my First Impressions
I want to start of with why this keyboard is different.
Firstly, it will be the FIRST mass-manufactured and sold keyboard that can be found in every country and not just from elitekeyboards if you are in the states. (IIRC)
Secondly, it has compatibility with your Cherry MX-compatible keycaps

Lastly, it's ... well, just look at it. No-nonsense attitude to style and simplicity.
Key features? MX compatible topre capacitive switches, Right angled gold plated micro USB connector for the keyboard, Rubber case, media keys and it's NOT made in china that's for sure.

Performance : The experience for me on this keyboard can only be described as "heavenly" It feels MUCH better than a brown (which we all know to be reds with sand thrown on it) because of the far heavier bump (An actually useful bump) but it it as well an entirely different feel all together due to the fact that MX switches feel "empty" compared to the Topres.
Otherwise, it is a really good feeling switch the topres.

Build quality : As expected from CM it is built well. The chassis is solid and has NO flex at all in every direction

Problems : There are a couple of problems, either it is because MX keys have longer key travel than topre keys OR CM has issues with their key travel. The reason for that is that when you use a key remover to try and pry a key out the keycap is pushed to the very bottom making it highly impossible to remove keycaps if at all.
I see the above problem as spoiling the point of this keyboard because this keyboard is about being the FIRST customizable topre (in terms of keycaps) but it takes so much effort to remove them.

So do I like it? Oh yes I do. I can live with the above problem (swap all the keycaps for just one time) to use it. That's how much I like it.
What about the TKL format? I much prefer it over the TK format because I don't need numpad. TK format is just extra unnecessary clutter

So here you go, the typing test

[dante]

I don't see Microcenter or Fry's stocking this - but if they did they're probably relieved to know that they keycaps are very difficult to take off.  Many boards on display seem to "lose" their keycaps if you know what I mean; consequently they are very hesitant to put them out.

What is the typing height/profile compared to your other keyboards?  About the same as a QFR?

[CK Briefs]

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

Edit: I'm wrong Forgot you can't dyesub on darker base.

[YuukiHaruto]

I don't see Microcenter or Fry's stocking this - but if they did they're probably relieved to know that they keycaps are very difficult to take off.  Many boards on display seem to "lose" their keycaps if you know what I mean; consequently they are very hesitant to put them out.

What is the typing height/profile compared to your other keyboards?  About the same as a QFR?

That's right. It is the same typing profile as my CM Storm MECH and my (sold) RK9000RE

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

I think these are laser etched infills ... at the very least they don't look like dye sub underneath

[Zeal]

Problems : There are a couple of problems, either it is because MX keys have longer key travel than topre keys OR CM has issues with their key travel. The reason for that is that when you use a key remover to try and pry a key out the keycap is pushed to the very bottom making it highly impossible to remove keycaps if at all.

This won't be a problem if they opt to include Wire keycap pullers instead of the cheapo plastic ring pullers. Nice write up, I'm excited to try one out at my local computer shop.

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

Huh. You can't dyesub a lighter font on dark caps. It still looks like laser etched infills/pad printing. Only the LED caps (Caps, Scrl Lk) are laser etched backlit friendly caps.

[Latin00032]

That one problem is hardly anything major.

When will it be released? Where can I get one?

Also, do you know if existing CM covers will work with it in replacement of the existing cover??

[YuukiHaruto]

That one problem is hardly anything major.

When will it be released? Where can I get one?

Also, do you know if existing CM covers will work with it in replacement of the existing cover??

It might work but I'm not sure. When I send this keyboard back tomorrow i'll give my verdict because I can take a QF-I case and compare. The micro-usb port is what worries me, it might be offset but it will probably fit

Problems : There are a couple of problems, either it is because MX keys have longer key travel than topre keys OR CM has issues with their key travel. The reason for that is that when you use a key remover to try and pry a key out the keycap is pushed to the very bottom making it highly impossible to remove keycaps if at all.

This won't be a problem if they opt to include Wire keycap pullers instead of the cheapo plastic ring pullers. Nice write up, I'm excited to try one out at my local computer shop.

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

Huh. You can't dyesub a lighter font on dark caps. It still looks like laser etched infills/pad printing. Only the LED caps (Caps, Scrl Lk) are laser etched backlit friendly caps.

I'll tell them to include wire keycap pullers instead. Meanwhile I'll buy myself a wire keycap puller 

[intelli78]

That one problem is hardly anything major.

Indeed, anyone buying this for the keycaps is missing the point bigtime.

[Sniping]

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

I doubt these are dyesub keycaps, or even PBT for that matter.

[Latin00032]

The problem with pulling out the key caps might not be so bad as long as you don't use the key remover that it comes with.

The hard plastic one can damage keys. Since there is a minimal amount of flex in the plastic key remover, it pushes the key all the way down before it snaps over the key.

I'm thinking that using a wire type key remover can alleviate the key removing issue since it is flexible.

It is more likely to get around the key without pushing down as hard or having to bottom the key out.

I guess CM won't include a key like that.

[YuukiHaruto]

The problem with pulling out the key caps might not be so bad as long as you don't use the key remover that it comes with.

The hard plastic one can damage keys. Since there is a minimal amount of flex in the plastic key remover, it pushes the key all the way down before it snaps over the key.

I'm thinking that using a wire type key remover can alleviate the key removing issue since it is flexible.

It is more likely to get around the key without pushing down as hard or having to bottom the key out.

I guess CM won't include a key like that.

Most likely yeah, does filco include a wire puller? I'm not clear on the launch date but it should be soon.

[avtar]

Key features? MX compatible topre capacitive switches, Right angled gold plated micro USB connector for the keyboard, Rubber case, media keys and it's NOT made in china that's for sure.

Well that's different. Where is it manufactured?

[CK Briefs]

Problems : There are a couple of problems, either it is because MX keys have longer key travel than topre keys OR CM has issues with their key travel. The reason for that is that when you use a key remover to try and pry a key out the keycap is pushed to the very bottom making it highly impossible to remove keycaps if at all.

This won't be a problem if they opt to include Wire keycap pullers instead of the cheapo plastic ring pullers. Nice write up, I'm excited to try one out at my local computer shop.

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

Huh. You can't dyesub a lighter font on dark caps. It still looks like laser etched infills/pad printing. Only the LED caps (Caps, Scrl Lk) are laser etched backlit friendly caps.

Derp
I thought it looked different from usual CM caps cause they looked like a dirtier white

[YuukiHaruto]

Key features? MX compatible topre capacitive switches, Right angled gold plated micro USB connector for the keyboard, Rubber case, media keys and it's NOT made in china that's for sure.

Well that's different. Where is it manufactured?

Taiwan or maybe unlikely japan.

[jwaz]

Could we get some pictures of the guts? PCB details please!

[Latin00032]

The problem with pulling out the key caps might not be so bad as long as you don't use the key remover that it comes with.

The hard plastic one can damage keys. Since there is a minimal amount of flex in the plastic key remover, it pushes the key all the way down before it snaps over the key.

I'm thinking that using a wire type key remover can alleviate the key removing issue since it is flexible.

It is more likely to get around the key without pushing down as hard or having to bottom the key out.

I guess CM won't include a key like that.

Most likely yeah, does filco include a wire puller? I'm not clear on the launch date but it should be soon.

Filco usually comes with a wire puller.

You can also buy them separately at certain places.

[YuukiHaruto]

Could we get some pictures of the guts? PCB details please!

Matt3o had already posted it. since it's not mine I'm not taking it apart

[rowdy]

Available in all countries - that sounds promising

It will be interesting to see how the prices compare across regions.

[demik]

Wow did they fix the font? And that looks like dyesub legends instead of laser etched infills. I might be wrong

Dont even think that matters. Enthusiasts are waiting for this board and we all know theyll switch the caps asap

[CommonCurt]

Could we get some pictures of the guts? PCB details please!

Here's Matt3o's picture of the PCB.

[SSIPAK]

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"Oh no, not another keyboard again?!" Well this one is entirely radically new and different. That's why I'm here to give my First Impressions
I want to start of with why this keyboard is different.
Firstly, it will be the FIRST mass-manufactured and sold keyboard that can be found in every country and not just from elitekeyboards if you are in the states. (IIRC)
Secondly, it has compatibility with your Cherry MX-compatible keycaps

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Lastly, it's ... well, just look at it. No-nonsense attitude to style and simplicity.
Key features? MX compatible topre capacitive switches, Right angled gold plated micro USB connector for the keyboard, Rubber case, media keys and it's NOT made in china that's for sure.

Performance : The experience for me on this keyboard can only be described as "heavenly" It feels MUCH better than a brown (which we all know to be reds with sand thrown on it) because of the far heavier bump (An actually useful bump) but it it as well an entirely different feel all together due to the fact that MX switches feel "empty" compared to the Topres.
Otherwise, it is a really good feeling switch the topres.

Build quality : As expected from CM it is built well. The chassis is solid and has NO flex at all in every direction

Problems : There are a couple of problems, either it is because MX keys have longer key travel than topre keys OR CM has issues with their key travel. The reason for that is that when you use a key remover to try and pry a key out the keycap is pushed to the very bottom making it highly impossible to remove keycaps if at all.
I see the above problem as spoiling the point of this keyboard because this keyboard is about being the FIRST customizable topre (in terms of keycaps) but it takes so much effort to remove them.

So do I like it? Oh yes I do. I can live with the above problem (swap all the keycaps for just one time) to use it. That's how much I like it.
What about the TKL format? I much prefer it over the TK format because I don't need numpad. TK format is just extra unnecessary clutter

So here you go, the typing test

is this your first topre keyboard? If not, I want to know what you think about novatouch compare to other topre keyboards. by the way thanks for your review  :thumb:

[YuukiHaruto]

is this your first topre keyboard? If not, I want to know what you think about novatouch compare to other topre keyboards. by the way thanks for your review 

It is indeed my first topre keyboard. But I had used a Type heaven (the cheapo made in china topre) and i didn't like it at all.

[demik]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

[YuukiHaruto]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

It's a he 

[luckynet]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

It's a he 

most male asian hands looks like a girls hand. hihihi

[Latin00032]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

It's a he 

most male asian hands looks like a girls hand. hihihi

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

[Novus]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

It's a he 

most male asian hands looks like a girls hand. hihihi

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

[Mod Edit: Language; this is a family friendly forum, please refrain from vulgar comments especially if they're off topic]

[swill]

Build quality : As expected from CM it is built well.

Haha. You must not own very many CMs. At least with the QFR, when the solder joints fail you can just open it up and resolder it. When this thing fails it is probably going to be much harder to fix. Luckily you will probably be able to harvest the stems and get half the cost of the board back when it fails though.

[SSIPAK]

Build quality : As expected from CM it is built well.

Haha. You must not own very many CMs. At least with the QFR, when the solder joints fail you can just open it up and resolder it. When this thing fails it is probably going to be much harder to fix. Luckily you will probably be able to harvest the stems and get half the cost of the board back when it fails though.

I also thought it was funny when I read "As expected" but I guess to each his own.

[rowdy]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

It's a he 

most male asian hands looks like a girls hand. hihihi

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

[YuukiHaruto]

Build quality : As expected from CM it is built well.

Haha. You must not own very many CMs. At least with the QFR, when the solder joints fail you can just open it up and resolder it. When this thing fails it is probably going to be much harder to fix. Luckily you will probably be able to harvest the stems and get half the cost of the board back when it fails though.

I do own a lot of CMs. The CM Storm QFR (which i sold just a few months back) I now have the Trigger Z and the Ultimate (which i also sold) and also the MECH
It's only the XT which is the real minger.

[YuukiHaruto]

Did the whole OP REALLY need to get quoted just to ask him/her if that was their first topre board?

It's a he 

most male asian hands looks like a girls hand. hihihi

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

You must 

[rowdy]

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

You must 

If only they were 55g - my 45g HHKB always feels a bit too light.

[YuukiHaruto]

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

You must 

If only they were 55g - my 45g HHKB always feels a bit too light.

Coming from blues I don't mind the 45g at all. I love it over blues 

[rowdy]

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

You must 

If only they were 55g - my 45g HHKB always feels a bit too light.

Coming from blues I don't mind the 45g at all. I love it over blues 

Blues are too light, I prefer greens

Reds are way too light, I prefer blacks.

45g HHKB is a bit too light, I'd like to try 55g Topre and I have a feeling that I would really like it.

Have you heard anything about a possible future 55g Novatouch?

[atlas3686]

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

You must 

If only they were 55g - my 45g HHKB always feels a bit too light.

Coming from blues I don't mind the 45g at all. I love it over blues 

Blues are too light, I prefer greens

Reds are way too light, I prefer blacks.

45g HHKB is a bit too light, I'd like to try 55g Topre and I have a feeling that I would really like it.

Have you heard anything about a possible future 55g Novatouch?

You won't regret 55g Rowdy, I was also looking for something heavier and 55g did not disappoint, it's my favourite now.

[tjcaustin]

You're just confused because his thumbs bend backwards.

My thumbs bend backwards too!

Maybe I should get a Novatouch?

You must 

If only they were 55g - my 45g HHKB always feels a bit too light.

Coming from blues I don't mind the 45g at all. I love it over blues 

Blues are too light, I prefer greens

Reds are way too light, I prefer blacks.

45g HHKB is a bit too light, I'd like to try 55g Topre and I have a feeling that I would really like it.

Have you heard anything about a possible future 55g Novatouch?

Carter has mentioned the ideas of this being a larger line dependent on how well this performs for their bottom line.  Of course, if everything is to be believed as shown, I'd be shocked if the same 55g mod that's done to the hhkb can't be done to this.

[atlas3686]

Carter has mentioned the ideas of this being a larger line dependent on how well this performs for their bottom line.  Of course, if everything is to be believed as shown, I'd be shocked if the same 55g mod that's done to the hhkb can't be done to this.

I doubt that will happen though, surely most people would rather swap the sliders into the 55g.

[YuukiHaruto]

If you look on deskthority you will find that CM Bram said that if the 45g sells well, 30g and 55g might be in the pipeline

[rowdy]

If you look on deskthority you will find that CM Bram said that if the 45g sells well, 30g and 55g might be in the pipeline

Surprisingly many people seem to like lighter switches, including 30g Topre

Me, I think I'll wait for 55g.

I've kind of used up all my other half's patience with keyboards, so I can maybe only get one or two more.

At the moment those would be SSK and 55g Novatouch.

[blackbox]

Nice review! Too bad that it is clumsy to change the keycaps.

[dustinhxc]

Holy crap those sliders are sexy..

[YuukiHaruto]

Holy crap those sliders are sexy..

There's a certain appeal to them 

Nice review! Too bad that it is clumsy to change the keycaps.

With the plastic keycap removers that is. The CM ones don't snap easily but they really damage thin keycaps 

[blackbox]

Nice review! Too bad that it is clumsy to change the keycaps.

With the plastic keycap removers that is. The CM ones don't snap easily but they really damage thin keycaps 
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Thanks for pointing that out. I have an CM keycap puller but I waiting to get my wire keycap puller.

[lunr]

I'll be all over it if it was 55g.

[YuukiHaruto]

I'll be all over it if it was 55g.

If 45g sells brilliantly, they will put 55g into production. If you guys do want the 55g please tell a CM rep 

[rowdy]

I'll be all over it if it was 55g.

If 45g sells brilliantly, they will put 55g into production. If you guys do want the 55g please tell a CM rep 

CM reps please hear: WE WANT 55G!!!

[Matt3o]

I'd be shocked if the same 55g mod that's done to the hhkb can't be done to this.

Novatouch domes are all on one big chunk of rubber (contrary to all other Topres I have). Meaning that you can put 55g into it, but it might be difficult to reuse the original novatouch domes on other keyboards. I haven't tried myself, but I could give a quick shot on a realforce.

Of course you can always cut it.

[mkawa]

i thought you had to cut the other realforce boards as well? odd.

[Matt3o]

i thought you had to cut the other realforce boards as well? odd.

mine is in 6-7 chunks

[mkawa]

i've be very interested to see how very thick lube affects the 45g. really thick krytox is basically a solid and actually increases actuation force. might work well with the lighter domes? might be worth trying on a typeheaven.

[YuukiHaruto]

i've be very interested to see how very thick lube affects the 45g. really thick krytox is basically a solid and actually increases actuation force. might work well with the lighter domes? might be worth trying on a typeheaven.

Interesting. The only lube I have is some silicone lube. I have used it before for lubing my MX keyboards and it's fine

Otherwise, what else can I add on to this thread 

[demik]

If you look on deskthority you will find that CM Bram said that if the 45g sells well, 30g and 55g might be in the pipeline

30g?

Sweet, first board that you can type with waving your hand over the keys!

[YuukiHaruto]

If you look on deskthority you will find that CM Bram said that if the 45g sells well, 30g and 55g might be in the pipeline

30g?

Sweet, first board that you can type with waving your hand over the keys!

._.  )

[Hypersphere]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.
5. Silenced Topre switches option.
6. 55-gram Topre switches option.
7. Non-rubberized case (is it so already?).
8. Micro-USB connector with plenty of room to connect third-party cables (is it so already?).

Future options:

1. 60% form factor, preferably with HHKB layout or DIP switch/programmable to HHKB layout.
2. Bluetooth or other wireless option.
3. High-profile two-tone color scheme dye-sub PBT keycaps with tasteful and attractive font, e.g., Helvetica.
4. See other options above.

[avtar]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.
5. Silenced Topre switches option.
6. 55-gram Topre switches option.
7. Non-rubberized case (is it so already?).
8. Micro-USB connector with plenty of room to connect third-party cables (is it so already?).

That is quite the wish list. #4 ever becoming a reality would be unfortunate because it will mean keycaps sets will need to accommodate a HHKB type layout. I would be surprised if #1 - 6 get implemented on the upcoming model since CM has been hinting that the Novatouch will cost less than $200.

I do hope that it doesn't ship with a rubberized finish. The grey case is looking pretty good.

[CommonCurt]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.
5. Silenced Topre switches option.
6. 55-gram Topre switches option.
7. Non-rubberized case (is it so already?).
8. Micro-USB connector with plenty of room to connect third-party cables (is it so already?).

That is quite the wish list. #4 ever becoming a reality would be unfortunate because it will mean keycaps sets will need to accommodate a HHKB type layout. I would be surprised if #1 - 6 get implemented on the upcoming model since CM has been hinting that the Novatouch will cost less than $200.

I do hope that it doesn't ship with a rubberized finish. The grey case is looking pretty good.

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All the newer pictures I have seen of the Novatouch it has a black case (Although I pray they also have a gray case option).

Also the OP in his review said that his pre-production model does in fact have a rubberized case :(

[avtar]

All the newer pictures I have seen of the Novatouch it has a black case (Although I pray they also have a gray case option).

A CM rep shared that picture of the grey case in a Novatouch thread so it might happen.

[Matt3o]

it's not properly gray, just reflection on that ****ty rubberized finish

[avtar]

Hopes dashed

[Sniping]

it's not properly gray, just reflection on that ****ty rubberized finish

Is swapping with the QFR top case possible?

[YuukiHaruto]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.
5. Silenced Topre switches option.
6. 55-gram Topre switches option.
7. Non-rubberized case (is it so already?).
8. Micro-USB connector with plenty of room to connect third-party cables (is it so already?).


Future options:

1. 60% form factor, preferably with HHKB layout or DIP switch/programmable to HHKB layout.
2. Bluetooth or other wireless option.
3. High-profile two-tone color scheme dye-sub PBT keycaps with tasteful and attractive font, e.g., Helvetica.
4. See other options above.

1-4, what's the point of doing that?
5, Maybe.
6, 55 gram if the 45g sells well.
7. I prefer the rubberized case
8. huh? It IS a micro USB plug.

3) This keyboard is for people to swap keycaps anyway so why would they bother installing PBT keycaps from the get-go?

[RESPRiT]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.
5. Silenced Topre switches option.
6. 55-gram Topre switches option.
7. Non-rubberized case (is it so already?).
8. Micro-USB connector with plenty of room to connect third-party cables (is it so already?).


Future options:

1. 60% form factor, preferably with HHKB layout or DIP switch/programmable to HHKB layout.
2. Bluetooth or other wireless option.
3. High-profile two-tone color scheme dye-sub PBT keycaps with tasteful and attractive font, e.g., Helvetica.
4. See other options above.

1-4, what's the point of doing that?
5, Maybe.
6, 55 gram if the 45g sells well.
7. I prefer the rubberized case
8. huh? It IS a micro USB plug.

3) This keyboard is for people to swap keycaps anyway so why would they bother installing PBT keycaps from the get-go?

1-4 are common alternative preferences. You come off as really defensive when rjrich is giving some really good commentary btw

[YuukiHaruto]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.
5. Silenced Topre switches option.
6. 55-gram Topre switches option.
7. Non-rubberized case (is it so already?).
8. Micro-USB connector with plenty of room to connect third-party cables (is it so already?).


Future options:

1. 60% form factor, preferably with HHKB layout or DIP switch/programmable to HHKB layout.
2. Bluetooth or other wireless option.
3. High-profile two-tone color scheme dye-sub PBT keycaps with tasteful and attractive font, e.g., Helvetica.
4. See other options above.

1-4, what's the point of doing that?
5, Maybe.
6, 55 gram if the 45g sells well.
7. I prefer the rubberized case
8. huh? It IS a micro USB plug.

3) This keyboard is for people to swap keycaps anyway so why would they bother installing PBT keycaps from the get-go?

1-4 are common alternative preferences. You come off as really defensive when rjrich is giving some really good commentary btw

Then technically speaking should every board have it. But, BIG (Like CM) manufacturers are just going to stick to standards. (yes, standards.)

[Candyflip]

"Technically speaking" topre switch with MX stem is not that much standard...

[pexon]

55 gram plz

Micro USB is cool too

Am I being stupid, I've just flitted through this thread, but did I miss a rough price of this bad boy?

[Candyflip]

55 gram plz

Micro USB is cool too

Am I being stupid, I've just flitted through this thread, but did I miss a rough price of this bad boy?

From the PAX video the CM guy says between $150-170 roughly.

[pexon]

Thats a damn fair price if you ask me. I'm sure it will translate to 150-170GBP though lol

[CommonCurt]

55 gram plz

Micro USB is cool too

Am I being stupid, I've just flitted through this thread, but did I miss a rough price of this bad boy?

From the PAX video the CM guy says between $150-170 roughly.

Would you happen to have the link for that video?

[Candyflip]

Somewhere after 3:50 in the video

[avtar]

Would you happen to have the link for that video?

Heads-up, it's pretty loud

Edit: too slow

[pexon]

Thanks for the link to the video guys. It will be interested to see if it is compatible with existing TKL after market cases.

It baffles me as no-one from CM utters the word 'Topre,' they don't even hint it, it comes across to me that the CM representatives believe they developed the switch themselves.

[HPE1000]

Summer/Q3 

[Candyflip]

Thanks for the link to the video guys. It will be interested to see if it is compatible with existing TKL after market cases.

It baffles me as no-one from CM utters the word 'Topre,' they don't even hint it, it comes across to me that the CM representatives believe they developed the switch themselves.

They have actually said that it is made by Topre, they just don't want to specify that when promoting the board for some reason.

[YuukiHaruto]

Thats a damn fair price if you ask me. I'm sure it will translate to 150-170GBP though lol

We're talking about layouts 

Summer/Q3 

AFAIK It won't be that late ... I'm pissed if it's that late. 

[avtar]

Summer/Q3 

AFAIK It won't be that late ... I'm pissed if it's that late. 

We're pretty much two weeks away from May. A summer release sounds like a safe bet if they're still addressing USB issues and another CM rep mentioned something or the other about the keycaps font.

[YuukiHaruto]

Summer/Q3 

AFAIK It won't be that late ... I'm pissed if it's that late. 

We're pretty much two weeks away from May. A summer release sounds like a safe bet if they're still addressing USB issues and another CM rep mentioned something or the other about the keycaps font.

I already said it's a micro USB. It's very easy to detach and latch the usb connector.

[avtar]

I already said it's a micro USB. It's very easy to detach and latch the usb connector.

Check that thread.

"The current one is actually quite nice, but look at the way it turns when plugged into the keyboard. I think they moved the socket during development but didn't alter the cable to match."

[YuukiHaruto]

I already said it's a micro USB. It's very easy to detach and latch the usb connector.

Check that thread.

"The current one is actually quite nice, but look at the way it turns when plugged into the keyboard. I think they moved the socket during development but didn't alter the cable to match."

 I see what you mean. Basically the right angle plug is the problem?

[avtar]

You're in a better position to tell us

[Matt3o]

that has been reported to CM

[CommonCurt]

55 gram plz

Micro USB is cool too

Am I being stupid, I've just flitted through this thread, but did I miss a rough price of this bad boy?

From the PAX video the CM guy says between $150-170 roughly.

Would you happen to have the link for that video?

Thanks for the video. 

Looks like they are putting rubber on the fold out feet

[Polymer]

It looks like the keyboard sits really high..sort of like the CM Pro....I hope it just looks like that...

[YuukiHaruto]

It looks like the keyboard sits really high..sort of like the CM Pro....I hope it just looks like that...

Same profile as QFR.

[Pacifist]

anybody know if it has the same profile as all the other TKLs before, ie can I put it in a custom case already on the market

[CommonCurt]

anybody know if it has the same profile as all the other TKLs before, ie can I put it in a custom case already on the market

The back of the case looks different from the QFR's.

Pic from the OP

[mkawa]

all i can really say about this board is that it's the first new board i've been super excited about in quite a while. can't wait till i can get ahold of one!

[Matt3o]

all i can really say about this board is that it's the first new board i've been super excited about in quite a while. can't wait till i can get ahold of one!

c'mon. 45g Topre. Really?

[mkawa]

I AM EXCITE

[Matt3o]

well, let's hope they fix the few issues before releasing it.

[Polymer]

It looks like the keyboard sits really high..sort of like the CM Pro....I hope it just looks like that...

Same profile as QFR.

Is it?  So the front bezel is the same height as the QFR?  That'd be good but it doesn't look like that in the pics..but with all the different angles it is hard to tell...

[blackbox]

Video from linus techtips:

The CM rep dosent mention Topre until Luke asks him about it.

[rowdy]

Video from linus techtips:

The CM rep dosent mention Topre until Luke asks him about it.

Hint: GH doesn't like the YouTube with https - change it to http and the preview window should appear

Edit 1: Oh, you already did.  Good job!

Edit 2: Still not good, how about this ...

[blackbox]

Video from linus techtips:

The CM rep dosent mention Topre until Luke asks him about it.

Hint: GH doesn't like the YouTube with https - change it to http and the preview window should appear

Edit 1: Oh, you already did.  Good job!

Edit 2: Still not good, how about this ...

Thanks! It didnt like a video from a playlist (and https).

[rowdy]

Thanks! It didnt like a video from a playlist (and https).

It's a bit picky, isn't it.

A good rep - makes me want to buy one!

[blackbox]

Thanks! It didnt like a video from a playlist (and https).

It's a bit picky, isn't it.

A good rep - makes me want to buy one!

A good rep yes. But I had the feeling that he had talked for some hours (I know how that feels)

[paco]

Video from linus techtips:

The CM rep dosent mention Topre until Luke asks him about it.

Why do they say there is a tactile bump similar to a MX Brown switch? They say you have an initial resistance and than there is a bump like in MX Brown. Topre isn't like that at all.

But they keep on saying "based on Topre switches"... so they might NOT be Topre switches.

[Matt3o]

because people think mx brown are the go-to switches and they want to catch the commoners.

they are topre. the PCB is also topre branded.

[Polymer]

I think it is because it has a tactile bump but isn't clicky...so the closest thing to it that people can relate to in the mechanical world is brown...although I think Alps are probably closer...and obviously a normal rubber dome keyboard is pretty similar in feel as well but they're not about to say that...

[davkol]

This new keyboard has great potential. Topre-switch boards have been hampered by a relative lack of replacement or custom keycaps. Here are some things I would hope to see, either in the forthcoming CM Topre-switch board or other models that might follow:

1. Ability to switch Backspace with Backslash (\), including a keycap swap for these positions.
2. Ability to convert Caps Lock to Control, including keycap swap.
3. Ability to exchange Win with Alt, Ctrl, or Fn.
4. Split Right Shift, putting Fn to the right of a shorter Right Shift.

(...)

1. 60% form factor, preferably with HHKB layout or DIP switch/programmable to HHKB layout.

It's a partnership between Topre and CM Storm, if I understand it correctly. I suppose PFU wouldn't be very happy, if CM Storm made a budget-level HHKB.

OTOH Carter has mentioned that they'd consider a 60% design, if NovaTouch *is* successful.

[CK Briefs]

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

[HPE1000]

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

I saw all of those comments, painful to read.

Just like this comment I saw not too long ago, just goes to show your average razer customer I guess.

[Matt3o]

yes! buy razer and spend 80% of the price in packaging. because that's what matters.

[Lu_e]

The case is not the same as a QFR IMO. You can see more of the F-row keys 'skirt', which leads me to think it is lower profile. Especially toward the top of the case, which is good because QFR's can have clearance issues in that area. Kinda hard to explain... but say you put cherry profile keycaps on a QFR, well when you bottom out a F-row key the top of the keycap will basically be flush with the case.

Then again the switches could just be mounted higher.

[CK Briefs]

yes! buy razer and spend 80% of the price in packaging. because that's what matters.

Only razer product I think is worth its value is the deathadder

Literally nothing else that company has to offer is 'bang for the buck'

Anyway, back on topic

There's still the problem of the depth of the actuated key on the nova touch? Is that being fixed on the release product?

[avtar]

There's still the problem of the depth of the actuated key on the nova touch? Is that being fixed on the release product?

I'm curious about this as well. CM reps seem to be more active at Deskthority so an answer may turn up there.

[atlas3686]

they are topre. the PCB is also topre branded.

I assume you would know but it really sounded like that rep was trying to avoid anything to do with Topre, even when pushed he only talked about it being based on the Topre design. I mean surely they would want to trade off the Topre brand name if they could? or possibly their deal precludes that kind thing?

[Zeal]

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

I saw all of those comments, painful to read.

Just like this comment I saw not too long ago, just goes to show your average razer customer I guess.

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Well, the higher the price, the better the product, right?

(only applicable sometimes) :cool:

[davkol]

There's still the problem of the depth of the actuated key on the nova touch? Is that being fixed on the release product?

I'm curious about this as well. CM reps seem to be more active at Deskthority so an answer may turn up there.

IIRC Matt3o mentioned it somewhere, but he's under NDA.

[rowdy]

It's a partnership between Topre and CM Storm, if I understand it correctly. I suppose PFU wouldn't be very happy, if CM Storm made a budget-level HHKB.

OTOH Carter has mentioned that they'd consider a 60% design, if NovaTouch *is* successful.

All these things CM are promising if Novatouch is successful - how many people are going to hold off buying the 45g TKL layout waiting for something different?

[avtar]

All these things CM are promising if Novatouch is successful - how many people are going to hold off buying the 45g TKL layout waiting for something different?

I was going to hold off due to the lack of 55g weighting but I'm going to go ahead and get the first iteration to see what it feels like. It'll never happen but I want something like this with Topre switches:

[Latin00032]

There's still the problem of the depth of the actuated key on the nova touch? Is that being fixed on the release product?

I'm curious about this as well. CM reps seem to be more active at Deskthority so an answer may turn up there.

IIRC Matt3o mentioned it somewhere, but he's under NDA.

I hope I can get the "full" topre experience. I don't want the key throw to be far off.

I hope they fix that if it is a big issue.

If the rep doesn't want to say "topre", do you think it is because the stems are different? It can't be considered "true" topre if it doesn't have topre type stems.

[Pacifist]

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

I saw all of those comments, painful to read.

Just like this comment I saw not too long ago, just goes to show your average razer customer I guess.

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oh god....

[Matt3o]

the prototype I've got has some problems. but that's normal with the prototypes and the reason to run beta tests. I sent CM a full report, so they are well aware of the issues. I hope to get a new prototype soon. As far as I know production hasn't started so I bet we will see some more iteration before the final version.

[YuukiHaruto]

yes! buy razer and spend 80% of the price in packaging. because that's what matters.

Only razer product I think is worth its value is the deathadder

Literally nothing else that company has to offer is 'bang for the buck'

Anyway, back on topic

There's still the problem of the depth of the actuated key on the nova touch? Is that being fixed on the release product?

DA? Only the old 3.5G one is. Nothing is worth it at Razer anymore. The CM Storm Alcor is the new kid on the block 
There is no depth problem.

I think it is because it has a tactile bump but isn't clicky...so the closest thing to it that people can relate to in the mechanical world is brown...although I think Alps are probably closer...and obviously a normal rubber dome keyboard is pretty similar in feel as well but they're not about to say that...

"Pretty similar" but actually worlds apart. If they said blues without the clicky noise then I think that's more accurate 

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

The keyboard that introduced me to the mech keyboard world (And where I am today) is a Rosewill RK9000RE 

The case is not the same as a QFR IMO. You can see more of the F-row keys 'skirt', which leads me to think it is lower profile. Especially toward the top of the case, which is good because QFR's can have clearance issues in that area. Kinda hard to explain... but say you put cherry profile keycaps on a QFR, well when you bottom out a F-row key the top of the keycap will basically be flush with the case.

Then again the switches could just be mounted higher.

And every switch in particular ...

yes! buy razer and spend 80% of the price in packaging. because that's what matters.

It's a partnership between Topre and CM Storm, if I understand it correctly. I suppose PFU wouldn't be very happy, if CM Storm made a budget-level HHKB.

OTOH Carter has mentioned that they'd consider a 60% design, if NovaTouch *is* successful.

All these things CM are promising if Novatouch is successful - how many people are going to hold off buying the 45g TKL layout waiting for something different?

That's why they should produce 55g as well, regardless of turnup.

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

Razer fanboys for ya. I've had enough of them.

I don't know what's wrong with some of the l33t g4merz and their views on keyboard brands, but I saw some comments on the youtube video stating that the new Razer switches were 'better' and that CM Storm is 'copying' them lmfao.

Doesn't help that they're bashing topre and its rubber domes too.

Let's just hope this keyboard shuts up the naysayers and appeals to not only the enthusiasts, but up-and-coming keyboard lovers too (:

I saw all of those comments, painful to read.

Just like this comment I saw not too long ago, just goes to show your average razer customer I guess.

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oh god....

Certainly not the worst either but it deserves a 80$ price tag not a 225$

[Demetrium]

I got to try these are PAX East as well. They really do feel like browns, except "cleaner". Just feels a bit smoother with less a bit less friction, if that makes sense.

I also got to try Cherry Greens for the first time, which are pretty cool as well. Just stiffer blues though, really.

[kishagi]

how much longer do we have to wait? Hurry up and take my parents' money already!

[YuukiHaruto]

how much longer do we have to wait? Hurry up and take my parents' money already!

I don't know 

[Pacifist]

not sure if this already got answered but can I use a different tkl case for the novatouch

[RESPRiT]

I got to try these are PAX East as well. They really do feel like browns, except "cleaner". Just feels a bit smoother with less a bit less friction, if that makes sense.

I also got to try Cherry Greens for the first time, which are pretty cool as well. Just stiffer blues though, really.

Yeah, IMO browns are like scratchy Topre. Obviously it's not that simple, but of all the Cherry switches, browns are the closest to me. Do you find Greens to be kind of slugish? People always call them stiff, but to me they're just like sluggy blues.

[YuukiHaruto]

I got to try these are PAX East as well. They really do feel like browns, except "cleaner". Just feels a bit smoother with less a bit less friction, if that makes sense.

I also got to try Cherry Greens for the first time, which are pretty cool as well. Just stiffer blues though, really.

Yeah, IMO browns are like scratchy Topre. Obviously it's not that simple, but of all the Cherry switches, browns are the closest to me. Do you find Greens to be kind of slugish? People always call them stiff, but to me they're just like sluggy blues.

Gritty Red as always.
Heavy and very loud blues man  To me topre is like blues without the click, it's that good of a switch.

[blackbox]

Tried it at a cooler master event. Very nice keyboard. I feel I cannot compare it to a cherry switch. It has a completely different feeling IMO. It was the first topre keyboard I tried and now I know what GH means with when they say it makes a "thock" sound.

[YuukiHaruto]

Tried it at a cooler master event. Very nice keyboard. I feel I cannot compare it to a cherry switch. It has a completely different feeling IMO. It was the first topre keyboard I tried and now I know what GH means with when they say it makes a "thock" sound.

I think it makes a thock sound rather than the clacks of a cherry. Still would benefit from a silence pad though 

[Belfong]

Tried it at a cooler master event. Very nice keyboard. I feel I cannot compare it to a cherry switch. It has a completely different feeling IMO. It was the first topre keyboard I tried and now I know what GH means with when they say it makes a "thock" sound.

Are you in Singapore or Malaysia? I'd like to know where you tried the keyboard.

[blackbox]

Tried it at a cooler master event. Very nice keyboard. I feel I cannot compare it to a cherry switch. It has a completely different feeling IMO. It was the first topre keyboard I tried and now I know what GH means with when they say it makes a "thock" sound.

Are you in Singapore or Malaysia? I'd like to know where you tried the keyboard.

Quite far from any of those countries actually. It was an event on The gathering (lan) in Norway.

Tried it at a cooler master event. Very nice keyboard. I feel I cannot compare it to a cherry switch. It has a completely different feeling IMO. It was the first topre keyboard I tried and now I know what GH means with when they say it makes a "thock" sound.

I think it makes a thock sound rather than the clacks of a cherry. Still would benefit from a silence pad though 

Didn't feel the need for an silence pad. But that is of course personal preference of course.

[YuukiHaruto]

Ohey! You folks and the ones in OCN seem to be only one wanting one of these.   
the local blokes don't really seem to be commenting on much 

[CK Briefs]

Ohey! You folks and the ones in OCN seem to be only one wanting one of these.   
the local blokes don't really seem to be commenting on much 

The hype's kinda died down cause of the delayed launch :/

And I don't think local folks can grasp why a 'capacitive' half rubber dome is better than the rubber domes / mech keyboards they're accustomed to

And btw, who's that in your avatar? Looks kind of like Yukino

[YuukiHaruto]

Ohey! You folks and the ones in OCN seem to be only one wanting one of these.   
the local blokes don't really seem to be commenting on much 

The hype's kinda died down cause of the delayed launch :/

And I don't think local folks can grasp why a 'capacitive' half rubber dome is better than the rubber domes / mech keyboards they're accustomed to

And btw, who's that in your avatar? Looks kind of like Yukino

Then again the local folks hardly comment anyway.

Yeah it did :/

It's Yatogami Tohka 

[CK Briefs]

Ohey! You folks and the ones in OCN seem to be only one wanting one of these.   
the local blokes don't really seem to be commenting on much 

The hype's kinda died down cause of the delayed launch :/

And I don't think local folks can grasp why a 'capacitive' half rubber dome is better than the rubber domes / mech keyboards they're accustomed to

And btw, who's that in your avatar? Looks kind of like Yukino

Then again the local folks hardly comment anyway.

Yeah it did :/

It's Yatogami Tohka 

Most waifus looks alike, I'm afraid

[YuukiHaruto]

Most waifus looks alike, I'm afraid