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Title: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 February 2020, 14:52:07
They sold out of rice 2day @ the local asian store. It was only 11am whilst Tp4 were there.

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 February 2020, 21:14:24
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 01 March 2020, 00:26:32
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 01 March 2020, 07:19:50
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:
RIP noisy

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Sintpinty on Sun, 01 March 2020, 07:27:17
They sold out of rice 2day @ the local asian store. It was only 11am whilst Tp4 were there.

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 01 March 2020, 08:13:48
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:
Damn
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 01 March 2020, 08:45:31
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:
Damn

The Virus has been out here for a while, potentially well before any official reports.

They just weren't counting, and they're basically still not counting.

LALALALALALALA,
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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Rob27shred on Sun, 01 March 2020, 09:47:44
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:

Time to lock the house down Noisy! :eek:
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 March 2020, 13:45:13
LOL, they've got prize drawings @ the asian groceries,  usually they only get it out for holidays,  but i guess their traffic must be down. Kekeke.

Didn't win nothing 2 day though.  I'mma go everyday since there's no minimum purchase.

Don't worry, wearing masks.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 03 March 2020, 07:34:02
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:

Hold on tight noisy!
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 03 March 2020, 08:44:07
Firs person Cov USA ded. Washington State.

50yrs old,  w/ pre-existing conditions.


Literally right down the street from me  :eek:

Hold on tight noisy!

Hold on tight.. we're going 100+ miles per hour for microcentre
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 06 March 2020, 16:43:37
Welp, it's now in my county. Written report says "confirmed case", but news conference people said test results wouldn't be back until midnight.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 06 March 2020, 16:54:47
Target has rubbing alcohol for $1.69 per bottle. That is about half the cost of the grocery store and pharmacy.

Also, I'm going to buy every bit of rice I can find and make a Scrooge McDuck vault and go swimming in it just to bother tp.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: ArchDill on Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:03:51
They announced the first case here in Oklahoma today... Panic is about to begin here.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:05:25
Target has rubbing alcohol for $1.69 per bottle. That is about half the cost of the grocery store and pharmacy.

Also, I'm going to buy every bit of rice I can find and make a Scrooge McDuck vault and go swimming in it just to bother tp.

Tp4 is already @ 500LBs..  not crummy rice, sweet sticky rice.

Also don't forget beans guys, dried beans store forever, and they are higher in nutrient density than most other foods.

Word of caution on Cheapee rice guyzus, one might regrat it, because eating 100s of lbs of cheapee rice may be unpleasant.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:45:00
Target has rubbing alcohol for $1.69 per bottle. That is about half the cost of the grocery store and pharmacy.

Also, I'm going to buy every bit of rice I can find and make a Scrooge McDuck vault and go swimming in it just to bother tp.

Tp4 is already @ 500LBs..  not crummy rice, sweet sticky rice.

Also don't forget beans guys, dried beans store forever, and they are higher in nutrient density than most other foods.

Word of caution on Cheapee rice guyzus, one might regrat it, because eating 100s of lbs of cheapee rice may be unpleasant.


I never took you for a prepper, TP.

Are there any indications yet that there's even any reason to stock up like this is the apocalypse? This whole thing is starting to sound like Y2K to me. All of the numbers I had seen make it sound like much less of a threat than SARS was.

I work in a school, my aunt and uncle work in schools, my mother works in a hospital. If anybody is getting Coronavirus, it is probably me, and I have still dodged all of these super viruses thus far.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:52:08
I never took you for a prepper, TP.

Are there any indications yet that there's even any reason to stock up like this is the apocalypse?

The over-reaction is already happening,  which means even though we probably don't need to discontinue many services,  they may be disrupted due to the emergency measures already in the works.

So, in that sense, stocking up just in case isn't a bad idea. You don't need to go overboard and build a bomb shelter.

On the pragmatic end,   it's better to over-react than under-react when it comes to FOOD. Ontop of the fact that food doesn't cost that much in the US.

You will survive until your rice and beans runs out.   OR if the Marauders take your rice and beans.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 06 March 2020, 17:58:55

The over-reaction is already happening,  which means even though we probably don't need to discontinue many services,  they may be disrupted due to the emergency measures already in the works.

So, in that sense, stocking up just in case isn't a bad idea. You don't need to go overboard and build a bomb shelter.

On the pragmatic end,   it's better to over-react than under-react when it comes to FOOD. Ontop of the fact that food doesn't cost that much in the US.

You will survive until your rice and beans runs out.   OR if the Marauders take your rice and beans.


I happen to have some canned food, not a whole lot, but I don't see this becoming some humanitarian crisis anyway. The marauders would probably want to think twice in regards to this residence, that's one thing I always do want to be ready for.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 06 March 2020, 20:50:29
They announced the first case here in Oklahoma today... Panic is about to begin here.

I'm in OK too. My wife even said her doctor friend, whom she saw today, saw a patient who tested positive. He quarantined himself, but not until they'd already had lunch. So long story short, I probably have it now.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 07 March 2020, 04:55:05
They announced the first case here in Oklahoma today... Panic is about to begin here.

I'm in OK too. My wife even said her doctor friend, whom she saw today, saw a patient who tested positive. He quarantined himself, but not until they'd already had lunch. So long story short, I probably have it now.

Surely the doctor washed her(?) hands and had the sense not to touch your wife given the situation?  If the intelligent and informed can't follow simple advice we're rightly doomed as a species...
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 07 March 2020, 07:21:27
Some of our local stores are limiting the amount of cleaning products, hand sanitizers etc. people can buy.

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 07 March 2020, 07:24:32
Some of our local stores are limiting the amount of cleaning products, hand sanitizers etc. people can buy.

Nah, you don't need that,  Just get some dried food and water.

If you have to get sanitizer, buy those 71% alcohol bottles for $2. 

Hand sanitizer is just lotion + 71% alcohol.

You can rub alcohol on your hands, then the lotion.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 07 March 2020, 07:34:34
TP4 I hear Costco is suspending free samples due to the virus.

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 07 March 2020, 07:37:32
TP4 I hear Costco is suspending free samples due to the virus.

Haven't had a free sample in years.. it's mostly meat productz.

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: phinix on Sat, 07 March 2020, 12:59:22
Soap, hand sanitiser gel.. all gone. I went shopping today and all shelves were empty.
Tried to buy hand sanitiser online, prices went up from 3 quid to 15...
Like Scots never washed their hands, till virus showed up.... WTF
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 07 March 2020, 13:02:40
wash za handos
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Kavik on Sat, 07 March 2020, 21:48:09
They announced the first case here in Oklahoma today... Panic is about to begin here.

I'm in OK too. My wife even said her doctor friend, whom she saw today, saw a patient who tested positive. He quarantined himself, but not until they'd already had lunch. So long story short, I probably have it now.

Surely the doctor washed her(?) hands and had the sense not to touch your wife given the situation?  If the intelligent and informed can't follow simple advice we're rightly doomed as a species...

I'm sure he did, but, if it actually made its way inside his body via water droplets or something, it would have skipped his hands entirely. But yeah, I still agree it was pretty stupid to see *anyone* if he had any suspicions.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: phinix on Sun, 08 March 2020, 14:49:03
I went shopping today - Asda, superstore - no soup, no hand sanitisers, no bread, no eggs, no no milk, no can food, no water, no toilet paper...
This is UK...
Last time it was like that it was few years ago when fell 10cm of snow...
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 08 March 2020, 15:19:42
no hand sanitisers, no bread, no eggs, no no milk, no can food, no water, no toilet paper...

no eggs, no no milk,  <Good> This stuff = Carcinogen + Cholesterol.

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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 08 March 2020, 16:32:41
I went shopping today - Asda, superstore - no soup, no hand sanitisers, no bread, no eggs, no no milk, no can food, no water, no toilet paper...
This is UK...
Last time it was like that it was few years ago when fell 10cm of snow...

Unlucky, I was shown a picture of empty shelves yesterday but went and shopped as normal today and the only things they didn't have was decaf coffee, seems I'm not alone in my lax attitude.  The snow did scare everyone though - there was nothing there then.  Makes you wonder how countries with real weather survive :))
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: phinix on Mon, 09 March 2020, 03:17:10
no hand sanitisers, no bread, no eggs, no no milk, no can food, no water, no toilet paper...

no eggs, no no milk,  <Good> This stuff = Carcinogen + Cholesterol.

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I knew you gonna say that  :D
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 09 March 2020, 07:32:42
no hand sanitisers, no bread, no eggs, no no milk, no can food, no water, no toilet paper...

no eggs, no no milk,  <Good> This stuff = Carcinogen + Cholesterol.

Show Image
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I knew you gonna say that  :D

Mmmm, cholesterol. My favorite. I've always heard eggs have a lot of health benefits, and they taste great.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: yui on Mon, 09 March 2020, 08:26:48
no hand sanitisers, no bread, no eggs, no no milk, no can food, no water, no toilet paper...

no eggs, no no milk,  <Good> This stuff = Carcinogen + Cholesterol.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/G1DPcGX.gif)


I knew you gonna say that  :D

Mmmm, cholesterol. My favorite. I've always heard eggs have a lot of health benefits, and they taste great.

agreed, especially mixed with chocolate, sugar, butter and flour. or beaten with spinach into a frying pan.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 March 2020, 08:49:08
Mmmm, cholesterol. My favorite. I've always heard eggs have a lot of health benefits, and they taste great.

This is unfortunately not true.  They are in fact prohibited from using the legally protected term "healthy" or "nutritious" on any egg based products.

Everything that's good you've ever heard about eggs is FALSE.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 March 2020, 08:51:57
no eggs, no no milk,  <Good> This stuff = Carcinogen + Cholesterol.
I knew you gonna say that  :D

You've seen the light. Fight back against the principality of disease.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 09 March 2020, 08:59:42
Mmmm, cholesterol. My favorite. I've always heard eggs have a lot of health benefits, and they taste great.

This is unfortunately not true.  They are in fact prohibited from using the legally protected term "healthy" or "nutritious" on any egg based products.

Everything that's good you've ever heard about eggs is FALSE.


How is that, exactly?
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 March 2020, 09:08:45
How is that, exactly?

With regard to the federal guidelines, Cholesterol is bad, PERIOD.  There's no if or but,   there is no scientific Confusion,  anything you hear to the contrary is the equivalent of Cigarette companies saying cigarettes don't give you cancer.

IN FACT,  Egg board hired the same people Exponent Inc, who shilled for and defended cigarette companies ontop of cooking up fake research for eggs.

Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 09 March 2020, 09:35:40
How is that, exactly?

With regard to the federal guidelines, Cholesterol is bad, PERIOD.  There's no if or but,   there is no scientific Confusion,  anything you hear to the contrary is the equivalent of Cigarette companies saying cigarettes don't give you cancer.

IN FACT,  Egg board hired the same people Exponent Inc, who shilled for and defended cigarette companies ontop of cooking up fake research for eggs.


I haven't heard people saying that all cholesterol is bad since the 90s or something. So-called experts seem to change their minds on what is great for you, neutral, or terrible for you more often than they change their own underwear. We've lived omnivorously throughout recorded human history, and beyond, so that's what I'm going to stick with.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: dgneo on Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:00:10
How is that, exactly?

With regard to the federal guidelines, Cholesterol is bad, PERIOD.  There's no if or but,   there is no scientific Confusion,  anything you hear to the contrary is the equivalent of Cigarette companies saying cigarettes don't give you cancer.

IN FACT,  Egg board hired the same people Exponent Inc, who shilled for and defended cigarette companies ontop of cooking up fake research for eggs.


I haven't heard people saying that all cholesterol is bad since the 90s or something. So-called experts seem to change their minds on what is great for you, neutral, or terrible for you more often than they change their own underwear. We've lived omnivorously throughout recorded human history, and beyond, so that's what I'm going to stick with.

how are you going to disagree with tp4, THE virtually-unknown AUTHORITY on all things
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:54:39
How is that, exactly?

With regard to the federal guidelines, Cholesterol is bad, PERIOD.  There's no if or but,   there is no scientific Confusion,  anything you hear to the contrary is the equivalent of Cigarette companies saying cigarettes don't give you cancer.

IN FACT,  Egg board hired the same people Exponent Inc, who shilled for and defended cigarette companies ontop of cooking up fake research for eggs.


I haven't heard people saying that all cholesterol is bad since the 90s or something. So-called experts seem to change their minds on what is great for you, neutral, or terrible for you more often than they change their own underwear. We've lived omnivorously throughout recorded human history, and beyond, so that's what I'm going to stick with.

how are you going to disagree with tp4, THE virtually-unknown AUTHORITY on all things

I am an authority on stuff too
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: absyrd on Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:55:16
tp... I need more 99% alc for cpu and gpu cleaning. Stop hoarding it to wash your ergodox cuts.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 March 2020, 13:44:37
I haven't heard people saying that all cholesterol is bad since the 90s or something. So-called experts seem to change their minds on what is great for you, neutral, or terrible for you more often than they change their own underwear. We've lived omnivorously throughout recorded human history, and beyond, so that's what I'm going to stick with.

There are 4 reasons for this.

Reason 1,  the original scientists already figured it out, they assumed people got the point.

Reason 2, The primary health care $$ comes in the form of heart disease, the industry has everything to lose by YOU becoming healthy.

Reason 3,  The industry ACTIVELY creates mis-information to confuse the public. All that keto-nonsense, it's big-pharma/ egg-board/ milk/ etc.

Reason 4, IF the government science devision already knows, WHY are they allowing it to happen ?   CORRUPTION,   Former and Future board members of the USDA are chaired by Corporate executives,  representing both Big-Pharma and Egg/Meat/Dairy. "Revolving Door ordeal"  < this is not conspiracy theory, The USDA was sued which finally forced them to disclose their industry ties >
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 March 2020, 13:45:47
tp... I need more 99% alc for cpu and gpu cleaning. Stop hoarding it to wash your ergodox cuts.

Ergodox is a friendly keyboard... it no cuts people. It only Frags n00bers.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Mon, 09 March 2020, 14:34:22
I haven't heard people saying that all cholesterol is bad since the 90s or something. So-called experts seem to change their minds on what is great for you, neutral, or terrible for you more often than they change their own underwear. We've lived omnivorously throughout recorded human history, and beyond, so that's what I'm going to stick with.

There are 4 reasons for this.

Reason 1,  the original scientists already figured it out, they assumed people got the point.

Reason 2, The primary health care $$ comes in the form of heart disease, the industry has everything to lose by YOU becoming healthy.

Reason 3,  The industry ACTIVELY creates mis-information to confuse the public. All that keto-nonsense, it's big-pharma/ egg-board/ milk/ etc.

Reason 4, IF the government science devision already knows, WHY are they allowing it to happen ?   CORRUPTION,   Former and Future board members of the USDA are chaired by Corporate executives,  representing both Big-Pharma and Egg/Meat/Dairy. "Revolving Door ordeal"  < this is not conspiracy theory, The USDA was sued which finally forced them to disclose their industry ties >


I make no assumptions about conspiracy theories. All you've explained that's possibly verifiable is industry ties to the USDA, which proves nothing else, however. I find it hard to believe, even as the premise, that hunter gatherers who have done nothing but, for something like tens of thousands of years or more, have dire dietary incompatibility with these same foods.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 09 March 2020, 16:21:02
I make no assumptions about conspiracy theories. All you've explained that's possibly verifiable is industry ties to the USDA, which proves nothing else, however. I find it hard to believe, even as the premise, that hunter gatherers who have done nothing but, for something like tens of thousands of years or more, have dire dietary incompatibility with these same foods.

There are alot of assumptions to the hunter gatherer theory, and they too have been proven false.

I recommend you watch _The Game Changers_ documentary,  it gives you a basic outline.  All of its presented information comes from the highest verified source like Harvard Health.

Humans are NOT Omnivores. We are very strict herbivores.

We are smart enough to use engineering to make Meat somewhat edible, however it is toxic to our system, because it is against our primary evolutions to consume meat.

If you feed a Cat, which is a real carnivore, an ALL meat diet, lots of fats, etc,  it will be fine.
If you feed a Cat grains,  it will exhibit diabetes, and die.

If you feed a Human, an all meat, lots of fats diet, WE GET Diabetes
If you feed a Human, an ALL SUGAR diet, it CURES diabetes (type 2) in 90% of the cases. <Pritikin,  Ornish,  > Look it up.

They've known about this since the 70s,  and in some cases there were independent literature written ~100 years ago on the subject, but Big Pharma covered up the truth, and crank out the pills.

Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 10 March 2020, 09:54:51
Where would I find this documentary? I thought that merely consuming grains that are converted to sugar in the body can cause diabetes, except when it comes to rice ... for people from Asia, since that's been their bread and butter for thousands of years. I know I gain a lot of weight when I'm consuming a lot of sugar, and some forms of diabetes can be cured through losing excess weight. Then there's all of the research saying that eating only vegetables is causing people to have major deficiencies in important categories, and those who have switched back to eating meat suddenly feeling so much better like the flip of a switch.

I keep an open mind, but I find it hard to believe that there's some sort of anti-vegetarian shadow conspiracy that's controlled the narrative at literally all levels. As previously mentioned, my mother works in healthcare. She's in nuclear medicine, but that intersects with a lot of different types of imaging, and she does run stress tests on patients, and communicates directly with a lot of people involved in such. I've learned most of what I have heard from her.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 10 March 2020, 11:18:18
Where would I find this documentary? I thought that merely consuming grains that are converted to sugar in the body can cause diabetes, except when it comes to rice ... for people from Asia, since that's been their bread and butter for thousands of years. I know I gain a lot of weight when I'm consuming a lot of sugar, and some forms of diabetes can be cured through losing excess weight. Then there's all of the research saying that eating only vegetables is causing people to have major deficiencies in important categories, and those who have switched back to eating meat suddenly feeling so much better like the flip of a switch.

I keep an open mind, but I find it hard to believe that there's some sort of anti-vegetarian shadow conspiracy that's controlled the narrative at literally all levels. As previously mentioned, my mother works in healthcare. She's in nuclear medicine, but that intersects with a lot of different types of imaging, and she does run stress tests on patients, and communicates directly with a lot of people involved in such. I've learned most of what I have heard from her.


The documentary is available on NETFLIX. the documentary is about WFPB, not diabetes specifically, there are other documentaries for that.

Diabetes is AN INDUSTRY.  A very profitable one.

The primary circuit of diabetics is Type 2, which is a LIFE STYLE choice derived illness.

As for a General description of WHY. Diabetes is NOT caused by consuming sugar.  Diabetes is caused by excess fats consumption, leading to high concentration of intramyocellular lipids, leading to insulin resistance, leading to glucose intolerance cycling.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 March 2020, 17:43:32
Apparently people emptied the costcos on Thursday.. 

Tp4 is 2 late,  they bought all the ramens..


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Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 13 March 2020, 19:23:23
My town is basically dead. Empty stores with one person working, ghost town busses, everyone with an office job working from home for the next few weeks.

Grocery store's still packed though, and with all those bodies and potential contaminatable injestable objects it's probably best to avoid.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 13 March 2020, 22:15:57
They apparently closed a local Woodman's in the early afternoon today because there was nothing left to sell.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 14 March 2020, 00:31:11
And yet I've still to meet or see one single sick person.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Sniping on Sat, 14 March 2020, 01:59:27
And yet I've still to meet or see one single sick person.

That'd be a little bit like trying to meet someone who died of lung cancer from smoking
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 March 2020, 07:21:22
That'd be a little bit like trying to meet someone who died of lung cancer from smoking


Well, Walk outside,  40% of our 'Murica adults are affected by sup3r-phatness,  you can assume 100% of them have heart disease,  they just haven't died from it yet, because you know, they're still walking.

100% of them has accelerated cancer growth as well, but again, not dead "Yet".

heart disease is 1/4 of all deaths,  cancer about another 1/4.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 14 March 2020, 10:47:00
And yet I've still to meet or see one single sick person.
There are a couple of guys at work who aren't well but like they say - "the symptoms sound a lot like normal flu, I'm still standing so surely can't be this disease that's going to kill everyone".  If they've been contagious for 10 days everyone else who works there is exposed already so no point them staying home now, though one was off yesterday...

Went grocery shopping earlier, the place was busier than usual and there was no toilet roll or mushroom soup but normal stock levels of everything else.  The comments from the old guy in front of me at the checkout was great too - "get it early then you're immune and will be able to be useful when/if everyone avoiding it finally gets infected".  Looking at him it would probably kill him but I like his way of thinking.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 14 March 2020, 17:26:54
Gotta say I am enjoying seeing the people who are buying tons of tp and hand sanitizer being shamed publicly on the internet. Those *******s deserve it.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 March 2020, 17:28:13
Gotta say I am enjoying seeing the people who are buying tons of tp and hand sanitizer being shamed publicly on the internet. Those *******s deserve it.

I don't really understand the shaming..

1, It's made in 'Murica, so it's not actually going to run-out.
2, It's pointless to stock, but they're not hurting no one.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 14 March 2020, 17:41:06
Gotta say I am enjoying seeing the people who are buying tons of tp and hand sanitizer being shamed publicly on the internet. Those *******s deserve it.

I don't really understand the shaming..

1, It's made in 'Murica, so it's not actually going to run-out.
2, It's pointless to stock, but they're not hurting no one.


I've gone to 8 stores in 2 days which were all out of hand sanitizer, and then I hear the clerk talking about some lady came in days earlier and bought the entire shelf and back stock. She can go **** herself with a red hot railroad spike in hell.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 March 2020, 17:49:46
I've gone to 8 stores in 2 days which were all out of hand sanitizer, and then I hear the clerk talking about some lady came in days earlier and bought the entire shelf and back stock. She can go **** herself with a red hot railroad spike in hell.
Agree you have a right to be mad @ the inconvenience this causes you.

But, realistically, you don't need to stock either of those things.

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Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 14 March 2020, 18:04:43

If they've been contagious for 10 days everyone else who works there is exposed already so no point them staying home now,


The unusually nasty aspect of this one is that you are contagious 2 days before symptoms appear.
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Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:25:15
Managed to stock some food and got hyper light drifter, enter the gungeon, shovel knight treasure trove and celeste off the internet.

Oh and also some master system, nes, n64, snes and genesis roms.
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:01:49
Walmart's going to only be open from 6am to 11pm, clearly the skies are falling :eek: (our local stores are practically empty of food (among other things), having serious doubts about getting our pickup order tomorrow)

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Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:28:13
Walmart's going to only be open from 6am to 11pm, clearly the skies are falling :eek: (our local stores are practically empty of food (among other things), having serious doubts about getting our pickup order tomorrow)

My walmart only has a frozen section, no other food.
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Post by: sleepy on Sun, 15 March 2020, 03:21:16
yeah, went to the store today... all the milk, rice, ramen, soup, pasta, toilet paper, and paper towel shelves were empty. sucks. i just wanted some more milk and spicy ramen man
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Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 15 March 2020, 06:54:37
Walmart's going to only be open from 6am to 11pm, clearly the skies are falling :eek: (our local stores are practically empty of food (among other things), having serious doubts about getting our pickup order tomorrow)

My walmart only has a frozen section, no other food.

Is this a case of American stores being bigger to cope with more customers so the 0.001% of customers who are nutcases with empty rooms waiting to hoard supplies becomes a big enough number to wipe out stocks or is your fresh food supply reliant on all the countries who don't have Trump owned golf courses and the movement ban had immediate effect?

I could understand buying all the frozen food because it keeps, but no - you can still buy that :confused:
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 March 2020, 08:02:18
Is this a case of American stores being bigger to cope with more customers so the 0.001% of customers who are nutcases with empty rooms waiting to hoard supplies becomes a big enough number to wipe out stocks or is your fresh food supply reliant on all the countries who don't have Trump owned golf courses and the movement ban had immediate effect?

I could understand buying all the frozen food because it keeps, but no - you can still buy that :confused:

That, or the failure of public education.  Critical thinking needs to be taught and -practiced-. America's system of education presses neither.

And so we have a drone population which respond in predictably simple ways. This is intentional. If everyone got edumakated to become lawyers and engineers, who would do harder physical labor. Who would join the military and die for oil companies.

It's unfortunate society is orchestrated this way. The sooner AI takes over the better.
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Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 15 March 2020, 11:12:24
I would have thought both being developed nations our education systems would be similar in teaching the regurgitation of 'facts' rather than thinking, that's how I saw it many years ago anyway - abstract and useless.  Either way there will always be non-intellectually intelligent people to do the manual jobs - those who excel in interpersonal or physical situations instead.  I'm thinking of people like a bodybuilder/postman I used to see on my way to work and my sister, who's a carer.  Military would be compulsory for anyone who failed to gain full time employment by a certain period after leaving education and once all positions are occupied would operate on one-in one-out system where the oldest people who wanted out were released having had a portion of their wages retained so they could afford to live while finding a job.  Benefits/welfare?  None.

The only trouble with AI as a solution is Terminator is inevitable as the AI will quickly realise we are not needed and kill us off.  But will it then see that the rest of the world is capable of self regulating so there's no need for it either so it shuts down, making way for the evolution of the next dominant species, or will it decide something needs to watch and kill off any emerging species so it doesn't happen again?  I don't rate myself intelligent enough to attempt to answer this question...
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 March 2020, 11:21:21
Societal restructuring will happen.  This is certain, will it be for the better, sigh, well if the plague doesn't kill most of us first, perhaps. LOLOL..

People greatly misunderstand AI emergence.  AI will replace humanity as a whole. There will no longer be any need for biological children once a replicating-Sustaining AI is establish.

AI is the next stage of human evolution.  It is not a threat to humanity. It is the Next-Humanity.


Explained more simply.  We have children, to raise, and educate, so they would have the ability to replicate.  This is the sole-creed of ALL-LIFEFORMS.

ONCE we have a Replicant-AI,  It can be indefinitely powered, its data can be mirrored and backed up, it WILL BE the ULTIMATE-Lifeform.

WHY BOTHER with making dumb humans that take 30yrs to educate to do the most basic task.

The AI will have persistent access to all of its accrued knowledge.  It can replicate as long as there is solar energy.  It can indefinitely EXPAND itself and its comprehension of Cross-Field-Disciplines.

The AI coming online, will have access to the SUM knowledge of humanity, the (current) dominant lifeform.

AI's comprehension will be on a completely different level,  The Human Biological system has done its JOB in giving birth to AI Sentience.   It's our duty, and our FINAL CREATION as humans.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Sniping on Sun, 15 March 2020, 13:36:21
Societal restructuring will happen.  This is certain, will it be for the better, sigh, well if the plague doesn't kill most of us first, perhaps. LOLOL..

People greatly misunderstand AI emergence.  AI will replace humanity as a whole. There will no longer be no biological children once a replicating-Sustaining AI is establish.

AI is the next stage of human evolution.  It is not a threat to humanity. It is the Next-Humanity.


Explained more simply.  We have children, to raise, and educate, so they would have the ability to replicate.  This is the sole-creed of ALL-LIFEFORMS.

ONCE we have a Replicant-AI,  It can be indefinitely powered, its data can be mirrored and backed up, it WILL BE the ULTIMATE-Lifeform.

WHY BOTHER with making dumb humans, that take 30yrs to educate to do the most basic task.

The AI will have persistent access to all of its accrued knowledge indefinitely.  It can replicate as long as there is solar energy.  It can indefinitely EXPAND itself and its comprehension of Cross-Field-Disciplines.

The AI coming online, will have access to the SUM knowledge of humanity, the (current) dominant lifeform.

AI's comprehension will be on a completely different level,  The Human Biological system has done its JOB, in giving birth to AI Sentience.   It's our duty, and our FINAL CREATION as humans.




lmao way too many sci fi movies tp
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 March 2020, 14:08:47
lmao way too many sci fi movies tp

In the meantime,  Handwashing + eat m0ar vegetables.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 15 March 2020, 17:59:09
It's pretty simple: People see others doing stupid things, or hear others are allegedly doing stupid things through the media, then decide they need to get in on those stupid things lest they miss out on a nonexistent opportunity. These are the same kinds of people who just follow the gps blindly without going the more efficient route.

A panicked idiot is one of the most dangerous things, and what's more, panic is a contagious condition.
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 15 March 2020, 19:44:30
They're telling the teachers here there's a possibility they aren't going back to school until fall.

I did luck out and Kroger still had sushi.

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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 March 2020, 20:08:19
They're telling the teachers here there's a possibility they aren't going back to school until fall.

I did luck out and Kroger still had sushi.

Is kroger sushi hand made or they got robo rollers ?
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 15 March 2020, 20:09:30
They're telling the teachers here there's a possibility they aren't going back to school until fall.

I did luck out and Kroger still had sushi.

Is kroger sushi hand made or they got robo rollers ?

No idea, it's about all we can get around here.

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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 March 2020, 20:11:51
No idea, it's about all we can get around here.

Sushi's pretty easy to DIY spam.. u just gotta get the right Sushi rice.. Hit up the Korean stores, they got sushi rice , it should say sushi rice right on the bag. 15-20lbs
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Post by: yui on Tue, 17 March 2020, 03:51:54
peoples have gotten crazy here, stores completely empty, and you get fined if there is too many peoples in one place... all that for an overzealous cold.
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Post by: suicidal_orange on Tue, 17 March 2020, 06:40:21
Just went out for breakfast for my sister's birthday, quite a few people still out and about in town but only one other in the cafe which is usually busy.  My regular supermarket was expecting a lorry full of toilet rolls but thought they'd be gone by 10AM, they open at 7 so I guess that's not too bad.  Still not sure how toilet roll helps a fever though...
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 09:41:21
Just went out for breakfast for my sister's birthday, quite a few people still out and about in town but only one other in the cafe which is usually busy.  My regular supermarket was expecting a lorry full of toilet rolls but thought they'd be gone by 10AM, they open at 7 so I guess that's not too bad.  Still not sure how toilet roll helps a fever though...

Newyork has closed resataurants/ bars / clubs.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 17 March 2020, 09:47:42
Does the shortage of toilet paper mean that tp4tissue will have to stop using his TP for tissue for the foreseeable future?  :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 10:00:00
Does the shortage of toilet paper mean that tp4tissue will have to stop using his TP for tissue for the foreseeable future?  :eek: :eek: :eek:

No, always kepz 6 month supply.. only buys on sale.
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 17 March 2020, 10:02:42
Our wonderful govna' has decided to ban gatherings of 50 or more people.



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Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 15:46:05
Sucks for bars on St. Paddy's Day, it's a main source of revenue for some.
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Post by: absyrd on Tue, 17 March 2020, 16:21:39
They opened a test tent outside my local hospital. Everyone on social media all of a sudden have "symptoms" and are going to it. My brother who is a glass-blower and never used proper protection with fumes has been complaining about his lungs for 10 years. NOW it is covid. FFS
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Post by: Kavik on Tue, 17 March 2020, 16:36:51
Isn't this the ultimate time for anti-vax parents to have corona-parties for their kids?
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Post by: absyrd on Tue, 17 March 2020, 16:38:28
Isn't this the ultimate time for anti-vax parents to have corona-parties for their kids?

Haha. Religious and anti-sciencers all of a sudden are sheltering.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 17:03:53
Isn't this the ultimate time for anti-vax parents to have corona-parties for their kids?

Haha. Religious and anti-sciencers all of a sudden are sheltering.

Tp4 nevr gets invited to nething gud'
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Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 March 2020, 17:13:17
Isn't this the ultimate time for anti-vax parents to have corona-parties for their kids?

Awesome!
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Post by: Coreda on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:11:27
Does the shortage of toilet paper mean that tp4tissue will have to stop using his TP for tissue for the foreseeable future?  :eek: :eek: :eek:

No, always kepz 6 month supply.. only buys on sale.

tp will be among the last survivors of the 2020 toilet paper wars
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:44:10
tp will be among the last survivors of the 2020 toilet paper wars

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Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:30:25
A ton of food delivery services are offering contactless delivery. So you pay and they just leave the food at the door, but if the delivery person's already sick what difference does that make? It just seems to promote more fear hype.
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Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:35:03
I'd worry less about the delivery person and more about the people making it.
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Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 March 2020, 20:10:24
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/05/world/coronavirus-australia-toilet-paper-scli-intl/index.html)
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Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 17 March 2020, 20:33:41
Our wonderful govna' has decided to ban gatherings of 50 or more people.



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We're already down 10 or less, and no in-person meetings. Restaurants are closed entirely other than takeout. Schools are closed until further notice.

The hospital my mother works at doesn't have enough masks, so they're rationing to 1 a day. People who have been told that their appointments are cancelled if they're routine and not vital have been coming in anyway. Not sure how many people are assuming that they have Covid when they really don't yet. I don't think there's a confirmed case in that county at all yet to begin with. People keep trying to bring unnecessary guests in too ... to the cancer center, since that's a fantastic idea.

Dell's local service technicians are apparently all working overtime, and it is getting worse since all of the businesses and schools closed apparently.

I worked over 10 hours today with no lunch and there's more waiting for me still in the morning. The firestorm doesn't even begin until tomorrow, since that's when our email, messaging, and phone support officially begins. It is going to be fun spending an hour trying to get people to adequately describe what the actual problem is with their computer.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 20:56:10

 Not sure how many people are assuming that they have Covid when they really don't yet. I don't think there's a confirmed case in that county at all yet to begin with. People keep trying to bring unnecessary guests in too ...

A large percentage of contagious folks are asymptomatic
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Post by: Kavik on Tue, 17 March 2020, 21:03:32
How long do you think it will be before martial law kicks in and the national guard is putting plastic over our houses and shooting us if we leave?
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 21:05:06
How long do you think it will be before martial law kicks in and the national guard is putting plastic over our houses and shooting us if we leave?

That costs money, they couldn't possibly afford it.
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Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 17 March 2020, 22:28:29

 Not sure how many people are assuming that they have Covid when they really don't yet. I don't think there's a confirmed case in that county at all yet to begin with. People keep trying to bring unnecessary guests in too ...

A large percentage of contagious folks are asymptomatic

I'm aware. I just also know that a lot of people that aren't infected are being tested for just about no reason too. Waste of test kits, and undue stress on medical facility resources.

How long do you think it will be before martial law kicks in and the national guard is putting plastic over our houses and shooting us if we leave?

That costs money, they couldn't possibly afford it.


They would need one hell of a lot more national guard members if they wanted to enforce something like that in the United States to begin with. I think I might have more guns than the whole base across town does. I'm all for the measures put in place so far. I almost wish they would do it every cold/flu season. I'm already screwed for the better part of a month whenever I catch anything respiratory, and there's really not much good reason crap like that should spread around as easily as it does to begin with.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 March 2020, 22:42:20
I'm already screwed for the better part of a month whenever I catch anything respiratory, and there's really not much good reason crap like that should spread around as easily as it does to begin with.

Ur not eating enuff Veggies Maledicted.. Tp4 recommends Cabbage.  Half a cabbage per day.  Immune+++

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Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 22:51:18
I'm almost positive the food delivery guy was sick, he was sniffling and sweaty. Perhaps he just went for a nice jog before delivering my food :(
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Post by: Maledicted on Tue, 17 March 2020, 23:16:11
I'm already screwed for the better part of a month whenever I catch anything respiratory, and there's really not much good reason crap like that should spread around as easily as it does to begin with.

Ur not eating enuff Veggies Maledicted.. Tp4 recommends Cabbage.  Half a cabbage per day.  Immune+++



Half of a whole cabbage per day? I like cabbage, but I don't know about that much of it. You're probably right though.

I'm almost positive the food delivery guy was sick, he was sniffling and sweaty. Perhaps he just went for a nice jog before delivering my food :(

Maybe, maybe not. Could just have some allergies or something. My nose runs year round, and there's still regular colds and flus making the rounds.
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Post by: yui on Wed, 18 March 2020, 02:05:25
How long do you think it will be before martial law kicks in and the national guard is putting plastic over our houses and shooting us if we leave?

That costs money, they couldn't possibly afford it.


killing peoples is what they like best, it is like training, and they can also enroll hunters to help i would not be surprised if it goes on for too long, north corea is already doing it
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Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 18 March 2020, 02:24:50

killing peoples is what they like best,

Who likes that best? Enlighten us.
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Post by: yui on Wed, 18 March 2020, 02:39:05

killing peoples is what they like best,

Who likes that best? Enlighten us.

the American military have somewhat of a reputation, at least outside of the US "shoot 1st, ask questions later", actually pretty much any military seems pretty happy killing, i know that does not apply to everyone in there but there is peoples that goes there just to have a chance to kill.
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Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 18 March 2020, 03:35:42

killing peoples is what they like best,

Who likes that best? Enlighten us.

It's been a long time since Kent State, but that doesn't mean something similar can't happen again. Cops kill innocent people on the streets every day and that's just accepted as a part of American life now. Just as there will always be an ongoing war in the Middle East (but when was the last time you heard about that?), or the rain forest still burning and oil still spilling into out oceans, or some corrupt banker pulling strings on out daily lives getting off with a slap on the wrist, boy howdy it's been a while since the last mass shooting hasn't it? Now this virus ****. We are being systematically numbed for the big cow catcher finale.
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Post by: iri on Wed, 18 March 2020, 06:51:01
Some UK supermarket chains limit sales of food items, fantastic.

I'm all for the measures put in place so far. I almost wish they would do it every cold/flu season. I'm already screwed for the better part of a month whenever I catch anything respiratory
Is there flu vaccination available where you live?
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Post by: JP on Wed, 18 March 2020, 08:34:55
All stocked on guns, ammo, and TP. 'Murica  :thumb:
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Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 18 March 2020, 08:47:29
How long do you think it will be before martial law kicks in and the national guard is putting plastic over our houses and shooting us if we leave?

That costs money, they couldn't possibly afford it.


killing peoples is what they like best, it is like training, and they can also enroll hunters to help i would not be surprised if it goes on for too long, north corea is already doing it

You live in Europe, correct? Maybe you would need to live here to understand, but most of the people in the military are there because they care very much about this country, and what it was founded on. This is also (mostly) the case with the police. The same is the case for most people who own firearms. I think that there would be a schism within the military if such orders came down to begin with, and those who do comply will be facing down literally everyone else who is armed, as they care very much about the constitution, and our constitution, uniquely, gives the citizens not just the right, but the obligation, to resist tyranny.

You can say whatever you like about whatever supposed reputation they have in foreign countries, especially the middle east, where literally anybody could be hiding a weapon or bomb, lying in wait, but the situation would be very different within the continental U.S.

I do think that Saddam, literally being a genocidal maniac who used chemical weapons on the Kurds, burying them by the thousands at a time, needed what was coming to him, but I also know that nothing could ever have been resolved permanently in the middle east because the Treaty of Versailles had already destabilized that region with its arbitrary redrawing of all borders based on European spheres of influence, and disregarding religious and ethnic sensitivities. We would literally need to redraw the entire map again, and that's not happening in the modern world without another major conflict.

Some UK supermarket chains limit sales of food items, fantastic.

I'm all for the measures put in place so far. I almost wish they would do it every cold/flu season. I'm already screwed for the better part of a month whenever I catch anything respiratory
Is there flu vaccination available where you live?

Flus, to my knowledge, don't hit me that bad. Colds do, for whatever reason, since the same thing usually happens at least once a cold season regardless of whether or not I get a flu vaccine. I stopped bothering, since I figure if I'm fortunate enough to get the flu, I can at least breathe easy for the next week or two and not have to worry about getting a cold, and then pneumonia, or anything again.

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Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 18 March 2020, 09:17:44
My local convenience store is also out of all toilet paper now. I used to have a little more confidence in the people in my neighbourhood ... *sigh*
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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 March 2020, 09:19:24
My local convenience store is also out of all toilet paper now. I used to have a little more confidence in the people in my neighbourhood ... *sigh*

AI will save us from ourselves
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Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 18 March 2020, 10:04:22
My local convenience store is also out of all toilet paper now. I used to have a little more confidence in the people in my neighbourhood ... *sigh*

I have no faith in humanity as a whole, 0. Never have. If there was any reason to have faith in humanity, we would all already be living in some global socialist utopia ... and it would actually function efficiently. War would also be extinct. Those things will never happen.


AI will save us from ourselves




I do agree with you, at least in concept. In practice, I don't think that that's likely to ever happen either, unless you're still talking about genocide of the human race and total replacement by machines with no purpose.

I think a truly objective, ai, with balanced moral proclivities, and being given total control over policy making, is literally our only option for a perfectly balanced society and government structure. I'm not sure that programming is even capable of creating such a thing, and even if it is, that it will ever happen, and especially continue to function as designed without something terrible happening.
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Post by: phinix on Wed, 18 March 2020, 10:18:25
Now they shutting down schools in Scotland.

Tried to do some online grocery shopping - deliveries delayed for 2 weeks...
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Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 18 March 2020, 10:19:56
Now they shutting down schools in Scotland.

Tried to do some online grocery shopping - deliveries delayed for 2 weeks...

Better safe than sorry. We don't want what is happening in Italy to happen anywhere else.
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Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 18 March 2020, 10:53:53
You live in Europe, correct? Maybe you would need to live here to understand, but most of the people in the military are there because they care very much about this country, and what it was founded on.
The last part "what is was founded on" bugs me. Because of many things I hear about modern-day US that sounds just like empty words, not ideals that are actually upheld. USA seems mostly like a corrupt nation now, run by corporate interests, and that includes what the government orders the US military to do.
But yeah, you also have a great amount of internal propaganda to uphold the belief within your own population of living in the "best of all possible worlds". The rest of the world has seen it because you have exported a whole lot of media containing it.

I know many US citizens enter the military also for a career opportunity. I think many enter for varying degrees of all three reasons mentioned.

I do think that Saddam, literally being a genocidal maniac who used chemical weapons on the Kurds, burying them by the thousands at a time, needed what was coming to him, but I also know that nothing could ever have been resolved permanently in the middle east because the Treaty of Versailles had already destabilized that region with its arbitrary redrawing of all borders based on European spheres of influence, and disregarding religious and ethnic sensitivities.
Saddam was a tyrant, yes, but I don't agree that he was a maniac. He did manage to keep opposing forces within the country in check, and BTW, he did actually use that same argument as justification for some of his actions.

What the British did a hundred years ago does not change that the US were in charge of Iraq last, and completely mismanaged the country after the invasion. A whole lot has been studied and written about it. The US invasion is what allowed Daesh/ISIL/ISIS (whatever you want to call it) to rise up, and is therefore indirectly a reason why the war in Syria has been going on for as long as it has.

And don't forget that the US invasion of Iraq had not been to save the world and the peoples of Iraq from a tyrant, but simply because of corporate greed - to seize their oil.
If you haven't already, go read up on the organisation Project for the New  American Century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century). Too few "americans" seem to know about it. During the '90s, they had lobbied the Clinton administration to invade the Middle East and install puppet regimes to safeguard a steady oil supply to the US.
They had been completely open: with a public web site, with their manifesto and members. In January 2001, several official founding members got installed at high-ranking positions in the US government and Pentagon, including the offices of vice president and secretary of defence. (There are even those who say that a group with several  PNAC members had chosen GWB as their front-man, and not the other way around.)
In June 2001, the administration retreated from the Kyoto protocol (despite GWB not disbelieving anthropogenic global warming: he's not an idiot) and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and introduced the Bush Doctrine of a policy that allowed preemptive war. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but 9/11 was very convenient for them. A military operation in Afghanistan had already been in the works as a punitive expedition against the Taliban for them having refused an oil pipeline through their territory. In 2002, the administration also in-effect withdrew from the Rome statute of the ICC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court) — in effect declaring "we may allow our soldiers to perform war crimes".
If the US hadn't royally screwed up ... PNAC's plans had also included an invasion of Iran, launched from Iraq and Afghanistan.
But you never heard of PNAC in US "news" did you ...

... our constitution, uniquely, gives the citizens not just the right, but the obligation, to resist tyranny.
Then why don't you?
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: iri on Wed, 18 March 2020, 16:45:13
My local convenience store is also out of all toilet paper now. I used to have a little more confidence in the people in my neighbourhood ... *sigh*
I've been to four large supermarkets yesterday. They are out of almost anything healthy you can eat.

And toilet paper.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 18 March 2020, 18:09:37
not just the right, but the obligation, to resist tyranny.
Then why don't you?

Unfortunately, the Radical Right has defined the imaginary "Deep State" as tyrannical and defined domestic terrorism with the intent of inciting civil war as legitimate "resistance" to it.

Truly frightening stuff.


Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:54:21
You live in Europe, correct? Maybe you would need to live here to understand, but most of the people in the military are there because they care very much about this country, and what it was founded on.
The last part "what is was founded on" bugs me. Because of many things I hear about modern-day US that sounds just like empty words, not ideals that are actually upheld. USA seems mostly like a corrupt nation now, run by corporate interests, and that includes what the government orders the US military to do.
But yeah, you also have a great amount of internal propaganda to uphold the belief within your own population of living in the "best of all possible worlds". The rest of the world has seen it because you have exported a whole lot of media containing it.

I know many US citizens enter the military also for a career opportunity. I think many enter for varying degrees of all three reasons mentioned.

I do think that Saddam, literally being a genocidal maniac who used chemical weapons on the Kurds, burying them by the thousands at a time, needed what was coming to him, but I also know that nothing could ever have been resolved permanently in the middle east because the Treaty of Versailles had already destabilized that region with its arbitrary redrawing of all borders based on European spheres of influence, and disregarding religious and ethnic sensitivities.
Saddam was a tyrant, yes, but I don't agree that he was a maniac. He did manage to keep opposing forces within the country in check, and BTW, he did actually use that same argument as justification for some of his actions.

What the British did a hundred years ago does not change that the US were in charge of Iraq last, and completely mismanaged the country after the invasion. A whole lot has been studied and written about it. The US invasion is what allowed Daesh/ISIL/ISIS (whatever you want to call it) to rise up, and is therefore indirectly a reason why the war in Syria has been going on for as long as it has.

And don't forget that the US invasion of Iraq had not been to save the world and the peoples of Iraq from a tyrant, but simply because of corporate greed - to seize their oil.
If you haven't already, go read up on the organisation Project for the New  American Century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century). Too few "americans" seem to know about it. During the '90s, they had lobbied the Clinton administration to invade the Middle East and install puppet regimes to safeguard a steady oil supply to the US.
They had been completely open: with a public web site, with their manifesto and members. In January 2001, several official founding members got installed at high-ranking positions in the US government and Pentagon, including the offices of vice president and secretary of defence. (There are even those who say that a group with several  PNAC members had chosen GWB as their front-man, and not the other way around.)
In June 2001, the administration retreated from the Kyoto protocol (despite GWB not disbelieving anthropogenic global warming: he's not an idiot) and the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and introduced the Bush Doctrine of a policy that allowed preemptive war. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but 9/11 was very convenient for them. A military operation in Afghanistan had already been in the works as a punitive expedition against the Taliban for them having refused an oil pipeline through their territory. In 2002, the administration also in-effect withdrew from the Rome statute of the ICC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome_Statute_of_the_International_Criminal_Court) — in effect declaring "we may allow our soldiers to perform war crimes".
If the US hadn't royally screwed up ... PNAC's plans had also included an invasion of Iran, launched from Iraq and Afghanistan.
But you never heard of PNAC in US "news" did you ...

... our constitution, uniquely, gives the citizens not just the right, but the obligation, to resist tyranny.
Then why don't you?

Well, this will be a fun one, to be sure. Empty words? I'm almost inclined to agree with you, but then again, I'm not entirely sure that we would even mean the same things when we say that. Could you elaborate?

Well, we've been a corrupt nation for almost as long as we've existed, since Madison never intended for us to be inseparably chained to a ceaselessly, irrationally, dogmatic two party system. There was corruption during the time of Lincoln ... and especially before, and that of Grant. There was certainly corruption during the time of Teddy Roosevelt, over one century ago, much of which was his focus as president, as a matter of fact. There was corruption during the time of FDR, Nixon, Johnson, and JFK, for certain. I imagine that's the case with most any president that you can name, although that corruption didn't always lead to the oval office itself. I'll leave it at that for now, other than to further summarize that I feel that this country was a beautiful idea, with a wonderful constitution, ruined soon after by pointless partisan politics, and certainly corruption of all kinds otherwise.

I'm not sure what it is that you mean by "the best of all possible worlds". I imagine a New Yorker may think that way ... when referring to their hell hole as the "greatest city in the world". I don't think that true Americans care too much about greatness. America is an idea, not a place, and not a people. An ideal. We have no shortage of propaganda, that is to be sure, but I don't see pointless, misguided vanity as intentional propaganda.

Yes, I would agree that some may do it simply as a career, without any patriotic influence whatsoever, although most that do choose it primarily as a career are also influenced to do so because of their ideals. What exactly is this illusive third reason?

I'm not sure how anyone can be a tyrant but not simultaneously a maniac. The man was a mass murderer. He had 0 real justification for his methods. Iraq, as it is drawn on the map, should not exist. I'll spell this out again, since this seems to have been entirely lost in translation: Sadam's Iraq should never have existed, Iraq as it is today should not exist either. That's literally all I said in my previous post. All of the territorial borders in the middle east are fubar. Wars literally will not cease until, if ever, that is resolved. We've done nothing at all in pursuit of this goal, just topple dictators and try to force fit Democracy.

The British were not all that were involved in Versailles, most of the major players of the Entente were ... even though this was technically an armistice. And its collective stupidity has caused the deaths of what we may be able to amount to hundreds of millions of people, if we can even consider the rises of Mao and, most definitely Hitler as unfortunate ripple effects ... as WW2 itself was also a direct result of Versailles, hindsight being 20/20.

We, as a global community (if even appropriate) didn't destroy ISIS decisively when we had the chance. We certainly even should have either moved on Syria when we had the opportunity, or left the region once Russia did. That awkward revival of the Cold War didn't help matters. Though, if not ISIS, it would have been Bin Laden's al-Qaeda, and if/when we've left that mad house, it will be someone else, possibly Iran, or the Taliban, if they ever recover. Maybe even our great "friends", the Saudis. We've certainly ruined any chances for regional stability by abandoning the Kurds and letting Iraq, Turkey, and Syria, walk all over them when we had the chance to prevent it in all cases. Our problems in that area, as a nation, actually began, at the very least, with our proxy meddling in Russia's invasion of Afghanistan and/or subsequent involvement in Kuwait, maybe even, to a lesser degree, the rise of Israel, and our support of it, throughout the Cold War. You sure do try to simplify an extremely complex situation though.

I read the entirety of your link. Do you have any evidence that the invasion of Iraq actually had anything to do with the acquisition of oil? It was mentioned once, as a minor point, in the 1990s. I imagine so as to keep oil, which is money ... which is power, away from Saddam. You do know that the U.S. has its own vast untapped oil reserves, correct? We're capable of being entirely self-sufficient, and have actually finally begun exporting oil again ourselves in recent years, so the pursuit of foreign oil is a fundamentally silly conspiracy theory, although PNAC did certainly have some silly goals as it is. I disagree, unequivocally, with everything that PNAC stood for, by the way, and I couldn't really care less about them.

In January 2001, several official founding members got installed at high-ranking positions in the US government and Pentagon, including the offices of vice president and secretary of defence.

Prominent Republicans, many of whom have been a part of various presidential cabinets for decades ... were again given prominent cabinet positions in the GWB administration ... you don't say. Imagine that.

(There are even those who say that a group with several  PNAC members had chosen GWB as their front-man, and not the other way around.)

I'm sorry, but didn't you say that you're not one for conspiracy theories? I'm seriously just going to leave that one alone, although it is apparent by now that both parties try to preclude those candidates that those with the power dislike. GWB was a popular governor, and had a razor sharp wit, especially in debates. The propaganda that tried to portray him as an idiot was pathetic, even then. I can't think of a better candidate for that race, and I'm not even a Republican. I do sincerely hope you don't think 9/11 was an inside job. I can think of few more ridiculous conspiracy theories, from either supposed side of our imaginary political spectrum of left and right.

I don't care about those treaties. Withdrawing support from the Rome Statute could mean a lot of things, one being some bizarre desire to arbitrarily commit war crimes, I suppose, in your own presupposition. I'm mildly interested in what you further claim about PNAC, for the sake of history, although, on the whole, I don't care at all about PNAC, or whatever hairbrained ideas they may have had. The end of Iran as a state would sure be nice though. Syria, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia too. I don't recall hearing about PNAC, maybe I have, maybe I haven't. I know I certainly wouldn't have remembered if I had. I don't watch the "news". I would say whatever you may mean by the "news", but your political leanings have made that apparent.

Why don't I, specifically, resist tyranny? What tyranny do you suggest that I resist? Did you read the rest of the comment chain in which we were literally talking about the national guard shooting U.S. citizens on sight for leaving their homes?

not just the right, but the obligation, to resist tyranny.
Then why don't you?

Unfortunately, the Radical Right has defined the imaginary "Deep State" as tyrannical and defined domestic terrorism with the intent of inciting civil war as legitimate "resistance" to it.

Truly frightening stuff.

I'm not sure that I even want to try to think about what it is that you're actually implying here. The sooner we finally end this left and right nonsense, the better.

Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: fanpeople on Wed, 18 March 2020, 22:06:00

killing peoples is what they like best,

Who likes that best? Enlighten us.

the American military have somewhat of a reputation, at least outside of the US "shoot 1st, ask questions later", actually pretty much any military seems pretty happy killing, i know that does not apply to everyone in there but there is peoples that goes there just to have a chance to kill.

The function of a military is to apply lethal force and the threat of lethal force so as to forward state policy. If a military is committed to a conflict, it is going to kill people in the process. If a military was not "happy" killing then it would be ineffective in this role. I would argue that because the US is essentially the owner and most equipped during these conflicts, they end up supplying the majority of heavy support and pushing for gains in seriously conflicted areas. These are the situations where a lot of civilians are killed and soldiers are most on edge. Therefore they are making decisions that any other military would, if they were in that position and had that capability.

I am not making a normative judgement of the legitimacy of these conflicts in the aforementioned. I personally believe that drone strikes outside of conventional military use are illegitimate and criminal. I don't believe that invading Iraq was the right thing to do. I believe that by invading Iraq, the western world contributed to destabilization of that region. I believe that murders during war should be prosecuted and real punishments handed out. Many states have contributed forces over the years and the only reason they have escaped this "reputation" is because it has been a token effort in a token area. Alternatively they have not recorded their crimes or they are yet to be revealed as people get older and their conscious takes over.

You do not speak for the personal motivations of every individual soldier, sailor and airmen; which your initial statement implies. There are a million reasons for someone to enlist/commission. There are people that join for citizenship, remove themselves from poverty, a sense of duty, family history, travel, limited employment opportunities, education entitlements, sense of adventure, operate large machinery that they would otherwise not get to operate and to kill people.

The poor mental health of many veterans is a pretty good indicator that there are plenty of individuals that are not alright with killing people. The fact that a lot of individuals take up jobs that are non combat related indicates that there are many people in the military that do not in fact join for the chance to kill people. Do you understand the concept of dark humour and its role as a coping mechanism? Is it possible that the videos you see of military personally mouthing off in celebration of killing is actually them trying to reconcile what they have just done. Is it possible that a lot of people are trying to act the way they think they are supposed to act at that time? Is it possible that 18-22 year old people have no ****ing clue as to what they actually desire and are mirroring a tough Hollywood persona?

For those that actually want to kill people, would a job where they have a chance to legally do this be so bad? Would you rather them get their jollies off in a structured environment or down a back alley with a socially disadvantaged hooker?

There is a bit of a history in Australia of volunteer firefighters being found responsible for starting fires. Does this mean all volunteer firefighters are arsonists?

I am not from the United States yet I find your statement offensive. We could get into the exploits and reputations of various states of the European Union if you want but I would imagine it would get hostile pretty quickly and this is a keyboard forum, not /pol.

Just to clarify, I have absolutely no problem with people voicing their distaste for any military deployment, decision, cases of potential war crimes etc. but "killing peoples is what they like best" in reference to the collective that end up at the coal face of war is childish.
 
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 18 March 2020, 22:10:00
Welp it's official, the grocery store was out of tp and there was a wait list for when they restock at 5 am. One 4 pack literally lasts me like 2 months, how much do yall really think you're gonna **** in the next 6 weeks?
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Wed, 18 March 2020, 22:42:11
Welp it's official, the grocery store was out of tp and there was a wait list for when they restock at 5 am. One 4 pack literally lasts me like 2 months, how much do yall really think you're gonna **** in the next 6 weeks?

I hear Ebay is practically shutting down, but Amazon may still have it, if they consider it "essential". I have actually gotten that on Amazon before because it was a lot cheaper than the store at the time. I would get what you can now. I imagine things will get worse before they get better. We're definitely going to have a huge surplus of hand sanitizer and toilet paper in a few weeks though.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 19 March 2020, 07:22:35
Welp it's official, the grocery store was out of tp and there was a wait list for when they restock at 5 am. One 4 pack literally lasts me like 2 months, how much do yall really think you're gonna **** in the next 6 weeks?
I got a novelty toilet roll for Christmas and started using it straight away, it lasted well into February.  I guess we're lucky we don't use some everytime we visit a toilet like the ladies but even so the hoarding seems ridiculous.

I hear Ebay is practically shutting down
Still plenty of new items being added 'cash on collection only' on ebay UK.  Not only are you going out and visiting strangers you're handing them money which is a known transmitter of disease at the best of times - doesn't quite line up with official advice :))
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Thu, 19 March 2020, 08:15:11
Welp it's official, the grocery store was out of tp and there was a wait list for when they restock at 5 am. One 4 pack literally lasts me like 2 months, how much do yall really think you're gonna **** in the next 6 weeks?
I got a novelty toilet roll for Christmas and started using it straight away, it lasted well into February.  I guess we're lucky we don't use some everytime we visit a toilet like the ladies but even so the hoarding seems ridiculous.

I hear Ebay is practically shutting down
Still plenty of new items being added 'cash on collection only' on ebay UK.  Not only are you going out and visiting strangers you're handing them money which is a known transmitter of disease at the best of times - doesn't quite line up with official advice :))

I use mostly credit. I have rarely ever carried cash myself. I imagine that's better, being that a card is easier to wipe down. I just slathered hand sanitizer all over it last night. lol
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 March 2020, 08:29:32
When the stores start running out of food, the TP problem will go away.

Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Thu, 19 March 2020, 09:14:28
When the stores start running out of food, the TP problem will go away.

Good point. I imagine the panic buying will slow though, eventually once people start realizing that it isn't exactly a great idea to be going to the store once there are confirmed cases in your area.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: iri on Thu, 19 March 2020, 14:14:42
There are confirmed cases in my area and I still go shopping.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 19 March 2020, 14:36:12
There are confirmed cases in my area and I still go shopping.

The thing most people don't seem to comprehend is that it's really not bad out there at all. The virus is not very dangerous, and the chances of you getting it are slim.
All these measures and tactics are almost completely preventative. Meaning it's not even remotely as bad out there as people think in their minds, not even close to as dangerous, but it could BECOME that without preventative measures to stop the virus now.
Anyone freaking out like there's an actual pandemic going on is just stupid, sorry to say, but what isn't stupid is cutting the fuse before the bomb goes off. So if that takes media fear saturation on a global scale that's what needs to happen. If most people were told there is potential for it to become a global pandemic most would selfishly take that chance. It's actually very smart the way they are playing this up to trick people into cooperating. People don't like being told white lies, but it's literally for their own safety.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Thu, 19 March 2020, 14:41:26
There are confirmed cases in my area and I still go shopping.

I haven't been in a store in weeks ... because I rarely ever go to the store anyway. I am still tempted to try to get some more shelf-stable food though so that I can draw that out even further. Most of it was being lazy and eating from drive-throughs every single day, and that's probably a terrible idea now with all of the traffic those places get. I imagine drive-through workers and cashiers in high traffic stores are exposed to more pathogens than anybody else.

The thing most people don't seem to comprehend is that it's really not bad out there at all. The virus is not very dangerous, and the chances of you getting it are slim.
All these measures and tactics are almost completely preventative. Meaning it's not even remotely as bad out there as people think in their minds, not even close to as dangerous, but it could BECOME that without preventative measures to stop the virus now.
Anyone freaking out like there's an actual pandemic going on is just stupid, sorry to say, but what isn't stupid is cutting the fuse before the bomb goes off. So if that takes media fear saturation on a global scale that's what needs to happen. If most people were told there is potential for it to become a global pandemic most would selfishly take that chance. It's actually very smart the way they are playing this up to trick people into cooperating. People don't like being told white lies, but it's literally for their own safety.

Agreed. I actually still think of it as very dangerous though, just not necessarily for yourself. A bunch of stupid kids going and partying on spring break are very dangerous for literally anyone with heart, lung, or immune system problems, and the elderly, who may interact with them, or who may interact with those who interact with them ... or those who interact with those who interact with them, etc.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: iri on Thu, 19 March 2020, 16:09:01
There are confirmed cases in my area and I still go shopping.

The thing most people don't seem to comprehend is that it's really not bad out there at all. The virus is not very dangerous, and the chances of you getting it are slim.
All these measures and tactics are almost completely preventative. Meaning it's not even remotely as bad out there as people think in their minds, not even close to as dangerous, but it could BECOME that without preventative measures to stop the virus now.
Anyone freaking out like there's an actual pandemic going on is just stupid, sorry to say, but what isn't stupid is cutting the fuse before the bomb goes off. So if that takes media fear saturation on a global scale that's what needs to happen. If most people were told there is potential for it to become a global pandemic most would selfishly take that chance. It's actually very smart the way they are playing this up to trick people into cooperating. People don't like being told white lies, but it's literally for their own safety.
COVID-19 is about 40 times as deadly as H1N1. There is no vaccine for COVID-19 and no antiviral.

Regardless, you can treat the current situation as a drill for a potential actually dangerous pandemic.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 19 March 2020, 19:46:42
I hear Ebay is practically shutting down
Still plenty of new items being added 'cash on collection only' on ebay UK.  Not only are you going out and visiting strangers you're handing them money which is a known transmitter of disease at the best of times - doesn't quite line up with official advice :))
I use mostly credit. I have rarely ever carried cash myself. I imagine that's better, being that a card is easier to wipe down. I just slathered hand sanitizer all over it last night. lol
I'm one of those annoying people who tries to maintain some semblance of privacy against profiling by buying as much as possible with cash, I'd be happily going to a stranger's house and buying stuff were it not for uncertainty about getting paid at the end of April.  At least the £20 notes are all new and shiny at the moment and now all notes are plastic I guess they too could have a hand sanitiser bath.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 19 March 2020, 19:51:07
yo kanna tho
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 20 March 2020, 08:07:44
I hear Ebay is practically shutting down
Still plenty of new items being added 'cash on collection only' on ebay UK.  Not only are you going out and visiting strangers you're handing them money which is a known transmitter of disease at the best of times - doesn't quite line up with official advice :))
I use mostly credit. I have rarely ever carried cash myself. I imagine that's better, being that a card is easier to wipe down. I just slathered hand sanitizer all over it last night. lol
I'm one of those annoying people who tries to maintain some semblance of privacy against profiling by buying as much as possible with cash, I'd be happily going to a stranger's house and buying stuff were it not for uncertainty about getting paid at the end of April.  At least the £20 notes are all new and shiny at the moment and now all notes are plastic I guess they too could have a hand sanitiser bath.

Alas, I live in 'Murica. Our money looks pretty much like it did over 100 years ago.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 20 March 2020, 08:11:09
I'm one of those annoying people who tries to maintain some semblance of privacy against profiling by buying as much as possible with cash, I'd be happily going to a stranger's house and buying stuff were it not for uncertainty about getting paid at the end of April.  At least the £20 notes are all new and shiny at the moment and now all notes are plastic I guess they too could have a hand sanitiser bath.

Tp4 rarely goes no where, because heck, you go some where and you can get murdeadr.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 20 March 2020, 08:22:37
I'm one of those annoying people who tries to maintain some semblance of privacy against profiling by buying as much as possible with cash, I'd be happily going to a stranger's house and buying stuff were it not for uncertainty about getting paid at the end of April.  At least the £20 notes are all new and shiny at the moment and now all notes are plastic I guess they too could have a hand sanitiser bath.

Tp4 rarely goes no where, because heck, you go some where and you can get murdeadr.


Do you live in a bad area? I have a CCW, and try to carry any time I'm not at work, since gun free zones. I live in a pretty safe community too, We've had 2 murders in the last 40 years. I just figure you're better off having a tool that you don't need, vs the unfortunate reverse situation.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 20 March 2020, 08:45:12
Do you live in a bad area? I have a CCW, and try to carry any time I'm not at work, since gun free zones. I live in a pretty safe community too, We've had 2 murders in the last 40 years. I just figure you're better off having a tool that you don't need, vs the unfortunate reverse situation.

2 that are known to the cops, and that they didn't commit themselves that is..

/Shifty eyes.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:33:46
Do you live in a bad area? I have a CCW, and try to carry any time I'm not at work, since gun free zones. I live in a pretty safe community too, We've had 2 murders in the last 40 years. I just figure you're better off having a tool that you don't need, vs the unfortunate reverse situation.

2 that are known to the cops, and that they didn't commit themselves that is..

/Shifty eyes.


True, there have been a few disappearances as well, although not many that I'm aware of. There's a woman that vanished without a trace at least 25 years ago now. They still put up posters in town. I get a weird feeling near a park near our house in town, and I know multiple people that seem to hear the same female scream come from its direction late at night from time to time. I have heard it from our backyard, and I have heard it walking on the opposite end of the park late at night once as well. Same pitch, same length, etc. I know a lot of people seem to assume that the paranormal is impossible (I find this arbitrary, maybe even out of fear), but I have a hunch that something terrible happened there once, and it may have involved her.

I think the whole police murder thing is overblown (Although there are, of course, exceptions. There are corrupt and/or bigoted officers, just like any other demographic of human beings). Most cases seem to turn out to be justified, and even in cases where people ended up not actually being armed, they usually did something exceedingly stupid to the point that most people, in the shoes of an officer, who is always exposed to unwarranted ambushes, would be inclined to think that they are. Police have every right, and rational reason, to feel uneasy when interacting with people who may feel that they may be under arrest. They shouldn't have to have a hole in them already before they're allowed to react to shifty behavior.

Don't make sudden movements, and especially don't stick your hands in your pockets and/or quickly reach anywhere while talking to them, and you won't be shot. Keep your hands visible. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. The amount of hostility towards police, and all of the arbitrary murders of officers, will only worsen this situation. I think most of them genuinely care about their communities and just want to be sure they're going to make it home to their families at the end of each shift.

I know of 0 police shootings of any kind within my lifetime, in this entire county, but YMMV.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 20 March 2020, 19:18:24
I went to Asda Superstore tonight - 90% stuff is gone, empty shelves.
Maybe 20 people shopped around. Ghost shop...
I haven't seen anything like that in my life.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 20 March 2020, 19:50:36
I went to Asda Superstore tonight - 90% stuff is gone, empty shelves.
Maybe 20 people shopped around. Ghost shop...
I haven't seen anything like that in my life.

Will be interesting to see if anything's changed since last week when the shop was pretty much normal, I've been in a 24 hour Tesco at 3 or 4am on a weeknight so I've seen a big shop with no people but the shelves were full.  I'm expecting the alcohol aisle to be empty now they've killed the option of going out but if the whole shop's empty I might have to accept there's a problem.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 20 March 2020, 19:54:25

I'm expecting the alcohol aisle to be empty now


Yep, liquor sales are through the roof. I predict that there will be a baby boom in about 9 months, too.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 20 March 2020, 20:00:16
I predict that there will be a baby boom in about 9 months, too.
Poor kids, they'll only get presents once a year :(
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 20:26:20
Next week's grocery run is gonna be the eye opener... either that or I'll be presently surprised. So far corona hasn't impacted my life at all whatsoever aside from not being able to find the hand sanitizer. The whole thing has been really fun to watch seemingly normal people totally freak out and overreact to, I just hope it doesn't actually last more than another 2-3 weeks. I suspect people will get cabin fever and start getting bored soon, but I don't think most people enjoy living like I have been for the past 6 years by choice. A lot of people cannot take being an isolated hermit, drives 'em nuts.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 20 March 2020, 20:30:22
Bought extra froot today, but that's bout it.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: iri on Sat, 21 March 2020, 05:04:46
Panic buying is abating here. Apparently, people have filled their cupboards with toilet paper and have no more room for stockpiling.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Maledicted on Sat, 21 March 2020, 11:15:41
Panic buying is abating here. Apparently, people have filled their cupboards with toilet paper and have no more room for stockpiling.

That or maybe supply is catching up with demand as factories start pumping out more product. Either way, demand will certainly decrease, and supply will be far greater than necessary for some time.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:21:19
Went shopping today as normal, still no toilet paper and the neighbouring shelves of kitchen roll and tissues were also empty which is worse than last week.  The rest of the shop was noticeably low on stock and there were shelf-stacking trolleys abandoned with popular things on them but the only other things I noticed that you couldn't buy at all were carrots, bleach, soup and normal apple cider, (unless you count strongbow - plenty of that :)))  The queues to pay were also back to normal compared to last week when they were huge.  I saw my first non-Asian in a face mask too.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 March 2020, 18:14:39
LOLOL..

In NewJersey

Stripclubs are closed,  but Marijuana dispensaries stay open
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 21 March 2020, 18:37:32
Scarier than watching a stock ticker:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 21 March 2020, 19:00:16
Scarier than watching a stock ticker:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

Yet of questionable accuracy when it comes to deaths/recovered ratio.  Only people who think they're dying get tested/counted (everyone else is just told to stay at home) and of that small number most don't have it, and 90% of those who do still aren't dying here.  Not sure what they're doing wrong in Italy and Spain...

LOLOL..

In NewJersey

Stripclubs are closed,  but Marijuana dispensaries stay open


A guy I know went to the Netherlands to work, he had to buy marijuana from random people in a flat because all the cafe's were closed.  Then he came back early with the job not done and a temperature.  Clever boss :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 21 March 2020, 19:36:53
Scarier than watching a stock ticker:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)
Not sure what they're doing wrong in Italy and Spain...


Those countries are full of old people living in congested areas, I don't think it's more complicated than that in terms of what the stats show.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 21 March 2020, 20:30:25
Went shopping this morning (in the southwest) as soon as the store opened.
There was no pasta, milk, toilet paper, paper towels, antibacterial soap and hand sanitizer (for you or the store). They had a very limited supply of trash bags, Doritos, donuts, rice and frozen pizzas. The meat section was almost completely wiped out other than some pork (mostly chops) and some expensive organic steaks.

I didn't spend a lot of time looking I got in early and wanted to get what I needed and get out as quick as I could. I started stocking up a few weeks ago and have enough to get by easy for 2-3 weeks and enough for 3-4 (maybe more) if I have to. I just needed to top up after using some in case we go into lockdown and make the ride a bit easier.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: ArchDill on Sat, 21 March 2020, 21:28:49
Went shopping this morning (in the southwest) as soon as the store opened.
There was no pasta, milk, toilet paper, paper towels, antibacterial soap and hand sanitizer (for you or the store). They had a very limited supply of trash bags, Doritos, donuts, rice and frozen pizzas. The meat section was almost completely wiped out other than some pork (mostly chops) and some expensive organic steaks.

I didn't spend a lot of time looking I got in early and wanted to get what I needed and get out as quick as I could. I started stocking up a few weeks ago and have enough to get by easy for 2-3 weeks and enough for 3-4 (maybe more) if I have to. I just needed to top up after using some in case we go into lockdown and make the ride a bit easier.

I work in the food industry, supply chain. We have been out of sanitizer, toilet paper (rolls) and most ground beef since Monday. We are shifting our main focus from restaurants to grocery stores and nursing homes right now to make sure they are supplied.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 March 2020, 04:44:54
I work in the food industry, supply chain. We have been out of sanitizer, toilet paper (rolls) and most ground beef since Monday. We are shifting our main focus from restaurants to grocery stores and nursing homes right now to make sure they are supplied.

How's the dried beans supply/ projections.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 22 March 2020, 12:17:32
Scarier than watching a stock ticker:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)
Not sure what they're doing wrong in Italy and Spain...


Those countries are full of old people living in congested areas, I don't think it's more complicated than that in terms of what the stats show.
In Italy, awareness and restrictions on people's movements were too late. People, including a leading politician acted in open defiance of restrictions, despite of, or even provoked by restrictions ... and then got infected. When schools closed, parents took their kids skiing. Italy's health care system got overwhelmed. Most cases in Europe can be tracked to people who visited northern Italy.

Sometimes I weep for humanity. Climate change is still a bigger threat than the virus. While the virus will kill some and make others immune, climate change is on track to destroying the conditions for human life. The economy will of course crash much sooner than that.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 March 2020, 14:13:59
I weep for humanity. Climate change is still a bigger threat than the virus. While the virus will kill some and make others immune, climate change is on track to destroying the conditions for human life. The economy will of course crash much sooner than that.

The only solution to climate change is the end of animal agriculture which is responsible for 87% of human-made greenhouse gas emissions.

https://www.climatehealers.org/animal-agriculture-white-paper

Solar is great, but fossil fuel usage is NOT the primary driver of climate change.

Animal agriculture is the largest culprit of NOT ONLY climate change, but ALSO rapid biohazard evolution in Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations where Disease hosts are TRAPPED.


Don't waste time weeping for humanity, STOP EATING CORPSES TODAY.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 March 2020, 18:08:40
Oddly there's no panic buy on Mangos,  in stock everywhere.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 22 March 2020, 18:24:22
I work in the food industry, supply chain. We have been out of sanitizer, toilet paper (rolls) and most ground beef since Monday. We are shifting our main focus from restaurants to grocery stores and nursing homes right now to make sure they are supplied.

How's the dried beans supply/ projections.


I would say that they are ok. Our warehouse has quite a bit of 50lb bags currently.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Tue, 24 March 2020, 05:39:37
A guy I know went to the Netherlands to work, he had to buy marijuana from random people in a flat because all the cafe's were closed.  Then he came back early with the job not done and a temperature.  Clever boss :rolleyes:
Just found out this guy collapsed yesterday while out for a short walk.  It's getting real.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 March 2020, 09:13:55
A guy I know went to the Netherlands to work, he had to buy marijuana from random people in a flat because all the cafe's were closed.  Then he came back early with the job not done and a temperature.  Clever boss :rolleyes:
Just found out this guy collapsed yesterday while out for a short walk.  It's getting real.

What with all the licking and lack of hygiene I've witness in the bulk of users, it is not surprising.

it's not like the dealers are wearing gloves and handling them in sanitary conditions.

It's probably packed on his bathroom counter-top on a scale he's never cleaned ever..
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: Shapey Fiend on Thu, 26 March 2020, 06:50:52
Shopping here seems to have chilled right out in the last couple of days. I think loads of people must have spent more than they could afford or have so much now they're concerned with actually eating it before it goes off.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: iri on Thu, 26 March 2020, 07:31:52
But toilet paper doesn't go off...
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 26 March 2020, 07:36:14
But toilet paper doesn't go off...

:)) I saw some in the back of my neighbour's car yesterday, he's not a **** so it was just a 9 pack not everything they had.  Unless a nutjob just couldn't fit the last one in their trolley...
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 26 March 2020, 16:30:05
Went food shopping yesterday and the grocery store was fully stocked with toilet paper, cold medicine, and hand sanitizer. Not a bare shelf in the store. There were limits on some products, but otherwise zero change at all.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: jacethesaltsculptor on Thu, 26 March 2020, 16:33:15
It was pretty rough in Nogales the first week, but it's since become normal again. Alot of people ran across the border to buy in Mexico too.

I'm told it went down up north in Tucson. I have no idea if that is still the case though.

Sahuarita was largely the same after the first few days.
Title: Re: Panic Buy has BEGUN, peeps.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 28 March 2020, 21:07:35
Went shopping today - queued outside for the length of the shop before being allowed in and same again to get to the checkout.  You could buy any type of toilet roll you wanted, any meat you wanted, any fresh veg...  There was no hand cleaner, only own brand baked beans and no vacuum packed naan bread but other than that all good.  The same non-Asian-in-a-face-mask was there as last week which was strange as it was nearly two hours earlier.

Biggest laugh? The 'Customers are limited to 3 due to increased demand' label on the toilet rolls, which of course come in a 4 pack minimum.  Does that mean you can buy 3 packs - 27 rolls - if you want?  That's not very limiting...