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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: fohat.digs on Wed, 24 July 2024, 12:59:07
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Although I still believe that President Biden's knowledge and experience would have made him the best choice for President, I understand that he was probably leaking support from young voters - the most important demographic as the future comes at us faster than ever.
My children were raised to understand that being engaged and voting in every election is an imperative, not an option, but they have indicated to me that many of their friends and acquaintances had become disengaged and apathetic. Although the Democratic Party has consistently addressed all of their concerns, it seems like the most recent generations fail to recognize it, or claim that it is "not enough" - as if somebody else is trying to do better.
I have trust that a former Attorney General of the most populous state can block out the noise and focus her energy on defending the foundational principles of our country
to form a more perfect Union
establish Justice
insure domestic Tranquility
provide for the common defence
promote the general Welfare
and secure the Blessings of Liberty
Here is an interesting look at what happened in a smaller country a few years ago.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/harrismania-jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-kamala (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/harrismania-jacinda-ardern-new-zealand-kamala)
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People keep saying "oh but her foreign policy" which to me is a total moot point.
Have you taken a look around you in the US lately? We need to focus on fixing what is broken here. Now. It has already gotten too bad too quickly.
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The entire US foreign policy, is kill anyone who disagrees with us. That's never ever changed.
The problem TODAY, is everyone has nukes, so we effectively can't kill anyone, and we don't know how to cope.
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My children were raised to understand that being engaged and voting in every election is an imperative, not an option, but they have indicated to me that many of their friends and acquaintances had become disengaged and apathetic. Although the Democratic Party has consistently addressed all of their concerns, it seems like the most recent generations fail to recognize it, or claim that it is "not enough" - as if somebody else is trying to do better.
I've found myself consistently watching and reading less and less news the last few years. everything is so depressing, all the bad news is so overwhelming, and the obstacles we face seem so insurmountable, with seemingly nobody willing to even acknowledge them, and no political party I can really agree with, that I've become numb to it all. So I think I might understand where your children are coming from.
That said, I find topics like this, that give me insight into the perspectives of others, still highly interesting.
The entire US foreign policy, is kill anyone who disagrees with us. That's never ever changed.
The problem TODAY, is everyone has nukes, so we effectively can't kill anyone, and we don't know how to cope.
For better or worse, America is the controlling force in the West, and honestly I feel a lot safer because of the protection it provides me.
Despite Trump having completely compromised the entire security of NATO with a single remark, I can't even imagine what would happen if the EU would get into a major conflict with Russia or China or another Eastern power and we didn't have the US' support to rely on. Of course Trump is now actually actively encouraging our enemies to attack us, which is quite terrifying, and really a sign we should become more self-reliant, but it feels like a shame that our combined alliance is falling apart.
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For better or worse, America is the controlling force in the West, and honestly I feel a lot safer because of the protection it provides me.
Despite Trump having completely compromised the entire security of NATO with a single remark, I can't even imagine what would happen if the EU would get into a major conflict with Russia or China or another Eastern power and we didn't have the US' support to rely on. Of course Trump is now actually actively encouraging our enemies to attack us, which is quite terrifying, and really a sign we should become more self-reliant, but it feels like a shame that our combined alliance is falling apart.
That thinking is PRE- Nuclear.
No nuclear weaponized nation can destroy one another. That is a fact.
Even a nation without Launch-Vehicles, as long as they have nukes, they can initiate nuclear winter ON THEIR OWN. This is deterrence enough such that larger nations can not truly mess with you that much.
Even short of nuclear winter, a single nuclear power plant is the equivalent of 100,000 to 500,000x Hiroshima bomb worth of radiation. All they'd have to do, is melt one, and again, it's Deterrence-enough.
So, in THIS world, where Doomsday Mechanics Exist, the only thing military alliances do is get people killed for NO_GOOD_REASON.
It's unfortunate that human society does not know how to function any other way.
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no political party I can really agree with
combined alliance is falling apart.
Can you give me a specific example of something that the Democratic Party has done that you don't agree with, with the exception of giving far too much support to the Right in Israel?
And does that outweigh any number of other examples, to name climate change for just one?
The question is to chyros, not to toilet paper for tissue.
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There is only minor differences between the 2 parties.
Both parties are extremely RIGHT-wing.
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minor differences
You are an arrogant *******.
Not matter how slight differences may be, if voters waste their opportunities to steer towards a better tomorrow then they can only blame themselves if things get worse.
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minor differences
You are an arrogant *******.
Not matter how slight differences may be, if voters waste their opportunities to steer towards a better tomorrow then they can only blame themselves if things get worse.
The fact that fohat believes we live in a democracy is laughable.
Both parties are business parties, both extremely right wing, entirely imperialistic. Both parties want to burn more fossil fuels to expand the economy, NEITHER parties has any plan to meaningfully curtail business as usual.
Under Biden, United States has become the world's Largest oil producer. What the democrats claim to be doing about the climate, doesn't jive with what's actually happening.
The fohat always talk about moving the needle. Yea, it's always moving towards the Lack of a future, be it democrat or republican.
Capitalism / Imperialism / Humanity only knows how to do 1 thing.
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For better or worse, America is the controlling force in the West, and honestly I feel a lot safer because of the protection it provides me.
Despite Trump having completely compromised the entire security of NATO with a single remark, I can't even imagine what would happen if the EU would get into a major conflict with Russia or China or another Eastern power and we didn't have the US' support to rely on. Of course Trump is now actually actively encouraging our enemies to attack us, which is quite terrifying, and really a sign we should become more self-reliant, but it feels like a shame that our combined alliance is falling apart.
My country (Sweden) recently joined NATO after having been neutral for a long time.
We also got into a "Defence Cooperation Agreement" with USA itself, to allow US troops to be stationed here ... in addition to the conditions in the NATO treaty.
The reason why is to get a faster response than with just NATO, in case Russia does something.
The biggest argument against it was of course: Trump is likely to become president, and everything he could do. Trump is more aligned with Putin than with us.
(I protested for hours against the DCA, and then watched in sadness as the parliament vote for it...)
minor differences
It used to be like that for decades, and yes both parties have become increasingly under the control of major corporations.
But there is still a major degree of difference.
Trump is backed by de-facto nazis who wants a corporate totalitarian state and to wreck the Earth for short-term profit.
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The biggest argument against it was of course: Trump.
How different it would be if non-Americans had a voice in how we govern ourselves ....
A disease like Trump could spread across the globe with lightning speed.
https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1816288577342369995 (https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1816288577342369995)
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For better or worse, America is the controlling force in the West, and honestly I feel a lot safer because of the protection it provides me.
Despite Trump having completely compromised the entire security of NATO with a single remark, I can't even imagine what would happen if the EU would get into a major conflict with Russia or China or another Eastern power and we didn't have the US' support to rely on. Of course Trump is now actually actively encouraging our enemies to attack us, which is quite terrifying, and really a sign we should become more self-reliant, but it feels like a shame that our combined alliance is falling apart.
My country (Sweden) recently joined NATO after having been neutral for a long time.
We also got into a "Defence Cooperation Agreement" with USA itself, to allow US troops to be stationed here ... in addition to the conditions in the NATO treaty.
The reason why is to get a faster response than with just NATO, in case Russia does something.
The biggest argument against it was of course: Trump is likely to become president, and everything he could do. Trump is more aligned with Putin than with us.
(I protested for hours against the DCA, and then watched in sadness as the parliament vote for it...)
minor differences
It used to be like that for decades, and yes both parties have become increasingly under the control of major corporations.
But there is still a major degree of difference.
Trump is backed by de-facto nazis who wants a corporate totalitarian state and to wreck the Earth for short-term profit.
It is a sad, but inevitable lesson us Europeans have to learn; we can not just sit idly by and bicker about millennia-old differences. Culturally ununited as we are (which is actually okay), we have to stick together, at least militarily, and be able to fend for ourselves. I'll freely admit that when I was a kid, I was a strong opponent of spending loads of money on the military - perhaps a by-product of the Bush administration, and perhaps a youthful, innocent ignorance on the possibilities of war on our doorstep. However, it's become clear we cannot be left potentially defenceless and at the whim of a complete lunatic ready to sell the whole continent off to a Russian dictator.
Thankfully, most countries in the East are fairly well-prepared, and most are culturally ready to fight as well, should the fight come to their doorstep. I probably would chicken out of defending even my own country, let alone one on the other side of the continent. Not something I'm proud of.
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I've always been a left-leaning centrist, but the past decade or so the 2 party system has unraveled and become mostly about virtue signaling and incendiary talking points.
I don't like either option. Both parties have swung cartoonishly towards their extremes. Extreme roads lead to inevitable divides, compromise and the interest of the American People are no longer the end goals of either Democrats or Republicans. I hate what this country has become.
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Both parties have swung cartoonishly towards their extremes.
No - the entire system has been dragged so drastically rightwards that the "center" is now labelled as the "far left"
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Both parties have swung cartoonishly towards their extremes.
No - the entire system has been dragged so drastically rightwards that the "center" is now labelled as the "far left"
Admittedly watching from over here it looks like you guys can only choose between right-wing extremists and right-wing fundamentalists, yeah.
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Both parties have swung cartoonishly towards their extremes.
No - the entire system has been dragged so drastically rightwards that the "center" is now labelled as the "far left"
I think people who are entrenched and invested wholly in either side would say the 'system' has been dragged too far opposite their favor.
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I think people who are entrenched and invested wholly in either side would say the 'system' has been dragged too far opposite their favor.
Only the poor and wannabe-rich thinks they've invested in "a side".
The (truly) rich do not view politics that way. They adhere to a strict profit-loss policy assessment.
Younger offspring of the (truly rich) might at times behave like a wannabe or an idealist, but this usually breaks once the naivety of youth wanes.
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dragged too far opposite their favor.
You were born in the early 1980s weren't you? There was a seismic shift rightwards in the late 1970s that seemed to come out of nowhere. Younger voters don't remember it and can't understand how different the political landscape was in the Before Times. (eg Nixon created the EPA)
Actually it was shepharded in, perhaps most significantly, by Paul Weyrich (check him out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Weyrich)) and significantly amped up in about 1977 when he had the brainstorm that he could take a rather insignificant issue, abortion, and if he could somehow imbue it with religious significance it might swing some votes his way.
Little did he know that decades later it would have ballooned into a huge, election-turning juggernaut. Personally, I think that "religious" people may gravitated to it because it gave them a binary black-and-white picture which they could claim (at least partially thanks to the influence of the Roman Catholic Church) was an issue that put "God" on their side.
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So, intrigued by all the political developments, I've been listening to a couple of speeches of both parties recently, and obviously I'm missing a huge amount of political and cultural background here so excuse my ignorance, but please tell me how the choice between a demented, rambling, convicted felon who spews vague nonsense and obviously makes every single word that comes out of his mouth up, and a sharp-witted stateswoman, is even a choice to begin with. I mean, is it really ONLY racism and gun ownership that motivates Republican voters to vote? It's like how reading the bible is the surest way to lose your faith in christianity, surely anyone who listens to Trump speak can't possibly support someone like this unless they're going to back anyone that the party puts forward regardless of how crazy and stupid they are? Please help me out here, I feel like I'm going insane xD .
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the choice between a demented, rambling, convicted felon who spews vague nonsense and obviously makes every single word that comes out of his mouth up, and a sharp-witted stateswoman
I feel like I'm going insane
You are OK, a sizable chunk of the US electorate is insane. And remember, in 2020 (a "high turnout" election) about a third of eligible voters voted Democratic, a third Republican, and a third stayed home.
Besides my previous observation on the abortion issue, you should look at the true predecessor of Drumpf - Ronald Reagan. (and note that I was born and raised as a Republican and until then had regularly voted for members of both parties)
When Reagan was running in the Republican primaries in 1980, he (repeatedly) made the horrifying and appalling statement that "the government is the problem, not the solution." Immediately I went to the local courthouse and changed my party affiliation from "Republican" to "Independent" - where it has remained to this day.
With a Chief Executive who would hold the institution itself (which he took an oath to uphold) in contempt, then its debasement would be almost certain. And we have discussed at length who it is that wants to see the union (union of the states is what I am referring to here) broken.
What may be hard for you to understand is that there has always been a streak of obstreperousness in the US who have trouble distinguishing between freedom and anarchy. An assortment of politicians have tapped into a variety of frustrations and pointed all of them at "tha gub'ment" ....
Most tragic is that the various public institutions are the ONLY entities whose mission is
to form a more perfect union
establish justice
insure domestic tranquility
provide for the common defence
promote the general welfare
and secure the blessings of liberty.
And yet large numbers of potential voters have "convinced themselves" that some other entity will perform those mandates. I DON'T THINK SO !
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We make 1 voting decision every few years for president.
We make 1000 decisions every day that require gasoline, and in-between those choices, we buy more plastic junk. So, it's no wonder WHY all the runners for political office are in the pockets of the guys selling OIL and plastic junk.
CAPITALISM only ends 1 way, please let's stop pretending democracy can "turn" that around.
Catastrophic Failure is the only thing our society even responds to.
Guys on average go through 2-3 heart attacks before they seriously attempt to change their diet. If at the HUMAN level, that's what we do, What-Of-Society. Taking care to remember, most humans aren't even educated enough, to know what the problem is.
If NE1s want to cast Votes that matter, Eat VEGGIES. Veggies for president
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"21% of the population is white men aged 40 and older.
69% of Americans support legal abortion
90% want better gun safety legislation
72% believe climate change is real and want to do something
71% approve of labor unions
79% want the rich to pay more taxes
76% want a higher minimum wage
73% want student debt relief
70% approve legalizing marijuana use
74% want more affordable homes"
- Michael Moore 2024-07-30
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I mean, is it really ONLY racism and gun ownership that motivates Republican voters to vote? It's like how reading the bible is the surest way to lose your faith in christianity, surely anyone who listens to Trump speak can't possibly support someone like this unless they're going to back anyone that the party puts forward regardless of how crazy and stupid they are? Please help me out here, I feel like I'm going insane xD .
Not entirely racism, it's other'ism, or more specifically me, me, me.
They hate the fact that someone "beneath them" gets the same benefits as they do and would rather burn the entire country down before they let someone less than them get any help, that goes double if it's also denied to them and you can't appease them by saying they get it first because they will just lock everyone out after they get it. It's all about them and only them. It's not just people they don't know, it applies even to their own children. I grew up being told we should want our children to have better lives and yet more than once when I said this to people in the midwest the responses I got was "why should my children have a better life than me?" and "are you saying my life is bad?".
They're greedy, angry and vengeful and Trump spoon feeds it to them, it actually has very little to do with politics other than using those politics as a way to punish those they dislike which is why the rambling and even lack of political objectives doesn't matter.
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"why should my children have a better life than me?" and "are you saying my life is bad?".
Wow. That is incredible. I can't even imagine what kind of parent would think of something like that Oo .
They're greedy, angry and vengeful and Trump spoon feeds it to them, it actually has very little to do with politics other than using those politics as a way to punish those they dislike which is why the rambling and even lack of political objectives doesn't matter.
Yeah, that's what I thought. In a way it's good that that's the answer ':S .
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In a way it's good that that's the answer.
In a way it might be, but there are millions of crazies stockpiling military weapons and ammunition to use against other Americans. And if they have convinced themselves that the future doesn't matter (if not to them, then to whom?) then they have little incentive to restrain themselves from creating a scorched earth. Apocalyptic religions are useful to that way of thinking because the "cleansing" is actually a good thing, even ordained and required by the vengeful God.
Some people argue that underlying the anger and hatred comes from a feeling of powerlessness, and if that is true then being able to wreak havoc in a final spasm of destruction would provide a (fleeting) gratification in the exercise of great "power".
If you are asking yourself how could millions of people, in the modern world (!) become so deranged, then believe me - there are other millions of Americans wondering the same thing.
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They (southerners) are not deranged. They simply have the wrong information set. They were poorly educated on purpose to be mined for blue-labor.
But neural networks take time to train, there is NO TIME to retrain them all.
If it came down to global restructuring post Major-Climate-Crisis. There will probably be nothing short of civil war. Which exacerbates into WW3, which ends up with many of our reactors melting down, which goes into Post-Apocalyptic,
This WILL happen if Aliens do not intervene, if Fohat can live another 20-30 years, he could even see it.
Keep in mind our BEST outcome now is a sustainable Fury Road situation.
More than likely, humans and most animals larger than roaches will become extinct for at least 100,000-1,000,000 years.
Resist the notion that this is Sci-Fi, it's exactly what happened at Chernobyl, it's exactly what happened at Fukushima.
USA has the oldest, worst maintained, most broken down reactor fleet running on extended licenses, running beyond their designed lifespan.
Each USA reactor site has the equivalent of 500,000x Hiroshimas worth of radiation. A bunch of these almost popped on their own during COVID. You'd agree that covid is not nearly as hard as WAR.
Humanity is incredibly fragile, and we've already extensively poisoned ourselves with perpetual nuclear waste.
It wouldn't take much to push us over, and Climate change will do exactly that.
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Kamala, Biden, Trump, they are mere COGS in the system of capitalism.
They represent NOTHING REAL. The titles humans hold are entirely symbolic.
THE SYSTEM has its own Inviolable rules and Momentums.
The collective shortcomings/ desires of individual humans form the major industries, Each selfish act compounds.
The momentum is already too strong at this point to alter via government. Humanity is not equipped to deal with calamity of this magnitude.
The elemental FIRE played with by our technology will continue to scorch most life on the planet for nature to reset and perform the next trial of civilization. There is no humanity in this, humanity is not involved.
We need AGI-God, Aliens, or Alien/God, or Sudden-enlightenment, or a super lucky thread the needle situation. <chances are slim, but not 0>
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The scientists tell us, most humans have to reduce emissions to equivalent of Peasants in India.
Before we even ask the Rich people to do this, who surely will not, How many middle class and below are willing.
The entire American South is ADDICTED to air conditioning.
TP4 is addicted to air conditioning. He's using it right now, knowing full well, it's an inch closer to destroying the planet.
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Conversion to electric infrastructure will increase net fossil fuel emissions for the next 30 years (at least).
That is to say, 3 Celcius is already locked in, whether we go electric or not. That's something like 3-5 meters of sea level in 30-50 years, 10-30 meters in 100. <most Nuclear Reactors are located near bodies of WATER, = blown reactors>
43% of earth's dry-land is used for animal agriculture, grazing livestock + feed crop.
People wouldn't even eat a vegetable to save their lives. And that's literal, they will have a heart attack or get cancer, and continue to Burger-fy their lives.
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Without rectifying Land Use, Reforesting that big 43% of dry land, we can't come remotely close of necessary emission targets.
If the aliens are watching. They're going to write down on our epitaph, Mankind, moderately interesting monkeys, killed themselves with what they call Hamburgers.
The presidents are doing NONE of that, Recommendations for going Plant Based (veggies) was supposed to be in the IPCC's 6th report, but it was struck down by the major governments.
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The current rhetoric that Kamala is going to be good for the environment and improve climate change.
As if Biden did a damn thing about it. Pushed Ukraine into war, mostly Barack's fault (and past presidents), but Biden continued it, now Israel.
US now largest oil producer on earth. Our government, be it democrat or republican, has absolutely no Climate-Credibility.
Kamala, what did she do as vice president, Negotiate expansion of Nuclear, which is NOT green, it's nearly as bad as coal when the carbon emission of Concrete/ Mining/ Refinement is accounted for. There is no nuclear power industry, there is ONLY the nuclear weapons industry. Nuclear produces net-negative electricity.
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Pushed Ukraine into war, mostly Barack's fault (and past presidents), but Biden continued it
"Ukraine was wearing a short NATO skirt. She practically asked for it."
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"Ukraine was wearing a short NATO skirt. She practically asked for it."
The Vkraine war is entirely our fault.
Can Mexico be supported by Russia to defeat USA ? <No ??>
Can Ukraine be supported by USA to defeat Russia ? <What's the difference ??>
Since Neither is possible, the USA pushing Nato onto Ukraine has assured its destruction.
Top USA generals warned of this outcome for the last 20 years.
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The worst part of this..
Is Ukraine will lose anyway, regardless of how much $american Dollar we print for them.
And when they do lose, WE'RE gonna look like even bigger asshats than we do now.
The only option, would be to send Poland to the battlefield. Ukraine has already run out of army guys at this point drafting 60-70 year olds.
But again, this would only prolong the embarrassing outcome.
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Trump is the world's biggest asshat, but with regard to Ukraine, he's been on the right side of foreign policy.
If I were a Ukrainian, I'd pray Trump wins.
The downside is, the environmental destruction will greatly accelerate under Trump, and the whole world will come to an end slightly sooner.
But more Ukranians will survive in the mean time.
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We're pretty convinced at this point that Poland hates Russian enough to commit, some soldiers.
It remains to be seen, How Many for How Long.
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"Ukraine was wearing a short NATO skirt. She practically asked for it."
The Vkraine war is entirely our fault.
Can Mexico be supported by Russia to defeat USA ? <No ??>
Can Ukraine be supported by USA to defeat Russia ? <What's the difference ??>
Since Neither is possible, the USA pushing Nato onto Ukraine has assured its destruction.
Top USA generals warned of this outcome for the last 20 years.
This is 100% analogous to a staple stance christians tend to take about the necessity of belief - is TP4 religious by any chance?
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The Vkraine war is entirely our fault.
Can Mexico be supported by Russia to defeat USA ? <No ??>
Can Ukraine be supported by USA to defeat Russia ? <What's the difference ??>
Since Neither is possible, the USA pushing Nato onto Ukraine has assured its destruction.
Top USA generals warned of this outcome for the last 20 years.
This is 100% analogous to a staple stance christians tend to take about the necessity of belief - is TP4 religious by any chance?
If it was just any 1 reason we shouldn't have pushed NATO on Vkraine, sure... But this comes straight from official military strategists. We should not have had the stance against Russia.
Our "security" in terms of foreign policy consisted of primarily Missile bases closer and closer to Russia.
Our "security" therefore comes at the cost of some one else's "Insecurity."
THEREFORE, Ukraine is almost entirely our fault. We've treated Ukraine like a playing card, and well, now they're dead.
This might just be a case of saber rattling on part of Our-Countries, but real Vkrainians are dying.
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treated Ukraine like a playing card
I still subscribe to the notion that Ukraine looked at Russia and looked at Europe and made a decision as to who they wanted to play ball with.
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treated Ukraine like a playing card
I still subscribe to the notion that Ukraine looked at Russia and looked at Europe and made a decision as to who they wanted to play ball with.
No they did not. Ukraine's Eastern half wants absolutely nothing to do with Nato.
In any case, we should not have meddled.
When we put missile bases closer to russia than missiles in Cuba would've been during the cuban missile crisis. Once you discard the politics, History will clearly show, the Ukrainians are dead because of the USA.
And it's really only our Western media circus which does not indicate as such, Every other nation already believes that is the case, even the ones IN Nato. They're just not as upfront about it, because we all still agree Putin is kind of a scary guy, but USA is way scarier.
If you had to rank tyrants, USA is at the very top by a significant margin. No other country in history has committed the amount of violence we have.
For example we are directly sponsoring the Israel lead genocide in Palestine.
We are powerful enough, for the moment, such that no one dares oppose, but you forget, a couple of guys with some box cutters took down the WTC.
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The Vkraine war is entirely our fault.
Can Mexico be supported by Russia to defeat USA ? <No ??>
Can Ukraine be supported by USA to defeat Russia ? <What's the difference ??>
Since Neither is possible, the USA pushing Nato onto Ukraine has assured its destruction.
Top USA generals warned of this outcome for the last 20 years.
This is 100% analogous to a staple stance christians tend to take about the necessity of belief - is TP4 religious by any chance?
If it was just any 1 reason we shouldn't have pushed NATO on Vkraine, sure... But this comes straight from official military strategists. We should not have had the stance against Russia.
Our "security" in terms of foreign policy consisted of primarily Missile bases closer and closer to Russia.
Our "security" therefore comes at the cost of some one else's "Insecurity."
THEREFORE, Ukraine is almost entirely our fault. We've treated Ukraine like a playing card, and well, now they're dead.
This might just be a case of saber rattling on part of Our-Countries, but real Vkrainians are dying.
No, I get your point, even if I disagree with it. My question was whether you were religious (if you don't want to answer, that's OK of course), and whether you're aware of this analogy.
treated Ukraine like a playing card
I still subscribe to the notion that Ukraine looked at Russia and looked at Europe and made a decision as to who they wanted to play ball with.
No they did not. Ukraine's Eastern half wants absolutely nothing to do with Nato.
Ask old Polish people who were worse when they came into Poland during the second world war; the Germans, or the Russians. They'll say the Russians were 10x worse, every time. I think you greatly underestimate how badly the Russians treated everyone under their yoke. They just don't get as much bad press, because they won. To utterly dismiss the wishes of a sovereign nation of whom to align themselves with just because you feel it's a tyrant's prerogative to be able to just attack any country he wants without retaliation is crazy.
Sure, the US is not perfect. But they still defend the free world, and I'm glad it's on my side (well, for another 90 days at least).
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Tp4 is agnostic. There is an extremely high probability of a god, but as prescribed by organized religion, hard pass.
As for the "US", It's not about being perfect. Every large human society exerts some form of violence to get what they want, be it technological, financial, or the Palestinian genocide which we happily sponsor.
Europe led by Macron and others were ready to do peace talks a year and a half ago, Struck down by US/GBr.
Again. The people in charge has invested enormous "prestige" in this dispute, and they care more about that, than the LIVES of Ukrainians. Ukrainians are dying, so that the US can save face.
MAYBE, if it was remotely possible that Ukraine could succeed, US meddling would be morally justifiable. But there was NEVER any chance, THEREFORE, Our involvement is fundamentally unconscionable, because we've ensured their destruction.
This is not a new-development. Top US military and political leaders have aired for the last 20 years that Nato expansion would cause this exact outcome.
We can not defeat Russia even with the full force of the allied nations, it's not possible given the existence of nuclear weapons. The only outcome if that came to contest is we both die.
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At this point, the only possible route off the ladder, is Trump negotiates a little speck of Ukraine, and we continue to call it that. But Russia will pretty much entirely dictate the terms and likely not settle for anything less than 90% given their investment in the war already..
Not even to raise the problem of heavy Uranium contamination now that DU ammo has gone live. They're gonna have chernobyl babies for the next few decades, just like Iraq after the US invasion.
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Tp4 is agnostic. There is an extremely high probability of a god, but as prescribed by organized religion, hard pass.
That sounds like textbook deism to me (not the same as theism), not agnosticism. But anyway.
What I strongly dispute here is the notion that somehow the US is responsible for the Ukrainians fighting this war, while it's obvious that they are doing it out of their own accord, NATO is just making it possible for them to do so. If they wanted peace, they could've had it ages ago, they just don't want to yield to this tyrant again.
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“In many ways, Tim Walz is the person JD Vance pretends to be. He’s an authentic, decent and normal guy.”
- Mark Penn 2024-08-06
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Just watched some stuff about Walz, the contrast with that creep of a JD Vance is astounding.
I get it, Trump is gonna win anyway, because xenophobia is a lot stronger than reason as we've learned over the last few years (and not just in America), but honestly I can't wrap my head around this whole situation, how this can even be a contest.
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Trump is gonna win anyway, because xenophobia is a lot stronger than reason
I feel certain that Walz will peel off almost any MAGAs who will actually listen to him - he is the person who they need in leadership even if they haven't recognized it yet.
And the ideal counterpoint to Harris to placate the racists and xenophobes.
Unfortunately there are several states now with secretaries of state and attorneys general who intend to reject the actual ballot results if they don't like them.
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You can have the highest ideals in the highest office. But if the critical momentums of the system does not change, the "grass roots" of the human-imperialist-thought-processes, then Business will continue as usual.
This happenstance is consistent throughout every single empire/ party/ -isms in large governance.
No matter HOW, we "Tweak" capitalism, it produces the same outcome, because it is a system of humans with untempered intellects. As it stands, it only responds to catastrophe, it's disappointing that this is the last one, and we're already blowing it.
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Trump is gonna win anyway, because xenophobia is a lot stronger than reason
I feel certain that Walz will peel off almost any MAGAs who will actually listen to him - he is the person who they need in leadership even if they haven't recognized it yet.
And the ideal counterpoint to Harris to placate the racists and xenophobes.
Can you elaborate on this a bit? Why is he so suitable for them?
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No matter how we tweak capitalism
Capitalism can work pretty well as long as the "guardrails" of democracy and regulation are in place and functioning.
The Radical Right attacked and usurped the government of the US beginning with Reagan and stripped off the guardrails in earnest.
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placate the racists and xenophobes.
Why is he so suitable for them?
Harris, a natural-born US citizen, has been relentlessly attacked for her ancestors.
Her mother, an important biologist, was born in India and her father, an economics professor, was born in Jamaica. Both came to the US for college and met and married here.
Racism and xenophobia wrapped up in a nice package.
Tim Walz is a white-bred midwesterner, descendant of several generations of farmers (and school teachers) who is a military veteran and himself a long-time schoolteacher (and football coach) before entering a solid career in politics - running as a progressive in solidly Republican territories!
https://kamalaharris.com/meet-governor-tim-walz/ (https://kamalaharris.com/meet-governor-tim-walz/)
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Can you elaborate on this a bit?
I "think" that Drumpf is saying that he wants President Biden back in the race?
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Is that a real tweet, or parody? I literally can't tell
Kamabla made me laugh
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Is that a real tweet, or parody?
I sent it in to Snopes, no reply yet. It came from an article describing how his campaign had cancelled his shows and taken him off the trail, at least temporarily.
edit - yep, it's for real!
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The fact that an idiot has won the first time, and that he's CLOSE to winning this time, is proof that the highest office in the land is fundamentally meaningless. It also proves that we do NOT at all live in a democracy.
There is a clear and decisive oligarchy/plutocracy. We're not upholding any special ideals above any other nation's government, this is the same human system which has failed in an identical manner across all of our recorded history.
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The fact that an idiot has won the first time, and that he's CLOSE to winning this time, is proof that the highest office in the land is fundamentally meaningless. It also proves that we do NOT at all live in a democracy.
There is a clear and decisive oligarchy/plutocracy. We're not upholding any special ideals above any other nation's government, this is the same human system which has failed in an identical manner across all of our recorded history.
What are you talking about, have you never seen the street interviews or all the comments or the rallies or anything to do with Trump? He's got legions of supporters and they're all REAL, which is in some way far worse than the oligarchy you're describing. No, you can say a lot about the US, and it's true that its antiquated electoral system doesn't provide a representative democracy (Trump is a good example of this) but it's not like its utterly rigged into an oligarchy or something.
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What are you talking about, have you never seen the street interviews or all the comments or the rallies or anything to do with Trump? He's got legions of supporters and they're all REAL, which is in some way far worse than the oligarchy you're describing. No, you can say a lot about the US, and it's true that its antiquated electoral system doesn't provide a representative democracy (Trump is a good example of this) but it's not like its utterly rigged into an oligarchy or something.
Without turning this into a battle of definition.
All power structures have dependencies, and so extended naturally, you can say, the entirety of the universe is equitable and therefore democratic.
Tp4's point is not that there is deception, it's far worse than deception, it's a core misunderstanding of what we're doing and why we're doing it.
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What are you talking about, have you never seen the street interviews or all the comments or the rallies or anything to do with Trump? He's got legions of supporters and they're all REAL, which is in some way far worse than the oligarchy you're describing. No, you can say a lot about the US, and it's true that its antiquated electoral system doesn't provide a representative democracy (Trump is a good example of this) but it's not like its utterly rigged into an oligarchy or something.
Without turning this into a battle of definition.
All power structures have dependencies, and so extended naturally, you can say, the entirety of the universe is equitable and therefore democratic.
Tp4's point is not that there is deception, it's far worse than deception, it's a core misunderstanding of what we're doing and why we're doing it.
Well yeah, mass media exists, and so does poor education.
I agree Trump even having a chance to win in the first place, let alone AGAIN, is a measure of how terrible the state of the world is right now. But it's honestly something people kind of brought upon themselves.
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mass media exists, and so does poor education.
As usual, I put a lot of blame on Reagan.
The education question in the US is extremely complex and I can't get into that now. But I will say that I received an excellent education in the public school system between the mid-1950s and mid-1970s (just in time before it headed drastically downhill). And my children were able to get excellent educations (by today's standards, but not as good as mine) through a combination of solid "pre-schooling" (ie before kindergarten), good neighborhood schools (we lived in a moderately affluent and progressive area), both of them were able to get into a superb Magnet/STEM high school, and in college majoring in sciences (as opposed to "biz-nus").
But as for mass media, when radio began in the US the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) was established and it had a rule called "The Fairness Doctrine" that applied to radio, and later television, which required that when political issues were discussed, there had to be "fair" presentation of both sides. Not necessarily (as some thought) "equal time", but a reasonable offering of both viewpoints.
Reagan quickly gutted the FCC (Republicans abhor regulation in any form) and the fairness went out the window.
Broadcasters such as right-wing AM talk radio and Fox or Sinclair "News" as we know them simply could not have existed before the 1980s.
Imagine what happened in following decades as the interwebs grew and eventually dominated the dispersal of "information" ....
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I was listening to the vile creep JD Vance who, multiple times in slightly different ways, said that “If you play by the rules, as an American you have the right to a good life in this country that your grandparents built.”
This really galled me in its dis-ingenuousness and hubris when you take even the briefest look at his running mate. Not only has Drumpf spent a lifetime brazenly flaunting the rules – to the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars and countless human lives – but not a single one of HIS grandparents was born in this country, and only one of his parents was!
And lest anyone think that I am cherry-picking, let me say that I know that Vance’s natural-born US citizen wife Usha’s family’s immigration history is surprisingly similar to VP Kamala Harris’s: her parents were born in India and are now academics in California.
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What politicians propose/ say on the surface is less than 10% of what will be done.
Business will continue as usual, repooplicant or democrap, until, they, get just about everyone killed.
Bernie is the ONLY person who could've saved the world.
The only vote that truly matters is the Choice to eat veggies @ the dinner table. There is no other option to save Earth. This is it. We're out of time. No other technology is remotely close enough either in maturity or cost-effectiveness of implementation.
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The movie basically nailed it.
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If anything, populations are decreasing globally. Some leaders see it as an issue. Me, not so much.
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less people = more sustainable, I don't see the problem either
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less people = more sustainable, I don't see the problem either
NO, less people = labor friction/shortage = inflation = death spiral.
We have to significantly increase population and CEASE meat-consumption.
There is NO SHORTAGE of WORK that is about to smash humanity in the face.
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less people = more sustainable, I don't see the problem either
NO, less people = labor friction/shortage = inflation = death spiral.
We have to significantly increase population and CEASE meat-consumption.
There is NO SHORTAGE of WORK that is about to smash humanity in the face.
Yeah it's gonna be a bit problematic for a while but this is why we need more AI to fill that gap!
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NO SHORTAGE of WORK
problematic for a while
True, but every mouth breathing and eating puts additional pressure on the system.
World population has more than tripled in my lifetime, but it seems to me that 2-to-3-to-4 billion would be plenty.
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True, but every mouth breathing and eating puts additional pressure on the system.
World population has more than tripled in my lifetime, but it seems to me that 2-to-3-to-4 billion would be plenty.
The number of humans is not the problem.
This is the Problem (https://www.animalmatters.org/facts/farm/#:~:text=Approximately%2070%20billion%20farm%20animals,in%20the%20world%20each%20year.)
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True, but every mouth breathing and eating puts additional pressure on the system.
World population has more than tripled in my lifetime, but it seems to me that 2-to-3-to-4 billion would be plenty.
The number of humans is not the problem.
This is the Problem (https://www.animalmatters.org/facts/farm/#:~:text=Approximately%2070%20billion%20farm%20animals,in%20the%20world%20each%20year.)
Humans have been raising livestock and eating meat since the dawn of agriculture, but sure, it's only a problem now.
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https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-project-2025-secret-training-videos-trump-election (https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-project-2025-secret-training-videos-trump-election)
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Check this out - right here in writing:
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The only difference on that page between p2025, and what Biden is already doing, is that reptilians are more racist/ sexist.
Everything else is identical for the democrap playbook.
All economic/military items being CARBON INTENSIVE.
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The only difference on that page between p2025, and what Biden is already doing, is that reptilians are more racist/ sexist.
Everything else is identical for the democrap playbook.
All economic/military items being CARBON INTENSIVE.
I'd say the biggest difference is that the republicans are headed by a convicted multiple felon who's just been told he's immune from prosecution from his crimes and now spearheads a plan to overturn the US constitution. I can't even begin to wrap my head around why this doesn't ring every alarm bell in every head in the country Oo .
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I can't even begin to wrap my head around why this doesn't ring every alarm bell in every head in the country Oo .
Because we do NOT live in a democracy. Most of us are the cattle class. The media is just a tool the wealthy use to brainwash us. They say things like, this vs this, this is getting done, all the while, nothing's getting done, and whatever that is they say is actually destroying the earth.
Democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to "climate destruction".
The military for example is one of the most carbon intensive activity on the planet. And their bright idea is to expand it, and they've already started wars.
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Another thing I didn't know existed: https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump
I know American elections are always a good show (showmanship is one of the things they do best after all) but this election is becoming more and more interesting, I didn't even pay as much attention to the elections in my own country xD .
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There is a very long list of Republicans against Trump, that is where The Lincoln Project https://lincolnproject.us/videos/ (https://lincolnproject.us/videos/) came from.
There are really only 2 groups who support Trump: the poorly informed who have been swayed by the Right-Wing media, and the ultra-wealthy who will do and pay anything to ensure that they are never touched by taxation or regulation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/harris-campaigns-outreach-plan-republican-voters-rcna165040 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/harris-campaigns-outreach-plan-republican-voters-rcna165040)
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Let's hope that this is JD's sole brief bid for the big time.
I like the proposed ticket name for "Vump - Trance"
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This is choice.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-camp-buying-tv-ads-mar-a-lago-florida (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-camp-buying-tv-ads-mar-a-lago-florida)
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I was hoping RFK would stick around longer so we'd get more weird ass news about abandoned bear cub corpses and brain worms.
Plus Cheryl Hines as First Lady would've been peak.
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more weird ass news
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/environmental-group-asks-federal-agency-investigate-rfk-jr/story?id=113194270 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/environmental-group-asks-federal-agency-investigate-rfk-jr/story?id=113194270)
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more weird ass news
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/environmental-group-asks-federal-agency-investigate-rfk-jr/story?id=113194270 (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/environmental-group-asks-federal-agency-investigate-rfk-jr/story?id=113194270)
That is amazing. I honestly think he dropped out because he had a moment to think "Oh no, my skeletons!"
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I know American elections are always a good show
That has been compared to offering someone the choice of a maggot-infested dead rat for dinner, or chicken — and their question is “How is the chicken cooked?”
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I know American elections are always a good show
That has been compared to offering someone the choice of a maggot-infested dead rat for dinner, or chicken — and their question is “How is the chicken cooked?”
Well if they come from the same kitchen, you can guess that, it's not really that different. Odds are, there are maggot j00ces in both dishes.
Trump / Kamala, same- Capitalism, same- Outcome.
Both candidates are committed to:
Growing the Military,
Growing the Economy,
CLIMATE DEVASTATION
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"Trump's reelection campaign has vigorously opposed the release of the movie."
And also, for only the 2nd time in its history - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/)
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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impulsive-unfit-security-officials-harris-1957650 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impulsive-unfit-security-officials-harris-1957650)
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How the hell was that hot news reporter who is 40 years younger in any way attracted to RFK who looks like an old leather handbag that was recovered from a house fire and sewn onto a skeleton? I don't understand the laws of attraction.
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https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impulsive-unfit-security-officials-harris-1957650 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impulsive-unfit-security-officials-harris-1957650)
Take a look at that roster, Defense contractors, and former generals who hand out contracts to defense contractors.
This is no different a propogandist list, as anything the Republican side comes up with.
No matter who becomes America's next president, the outcome for the world at large is exactly the same.
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How the hell was that hot news reporter who is 40 years younger in any way attracted to RFK who looks like an old leather handbag that was recovered from a house fire and sewn onto a skeleton? I don't understand the laws of attraction.
/Bonk, no horny!
That's not news NT.
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I am listening to a program that asks "people in the street" about the election, and time after time after time people say that they will vote for Drumpf because he is a successful business man. OMFG !
Is it a secret that he inherited $400 MILLION DOLLARS and squandered it, and took bankruptcy 6 (SIX) times ?
Maybe they haven't bothered to understand the fact that the only business endeavor that he has ever been successful at is laundering Russian crime money.
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Is it a secret that he inherited $400 MILLION DOLLARS and squandered it, and took bankruptcy 6 (SIX) times ?
Maybe they haven't bothered to understand the fact that the only business endeavor that he has ever been successful at is laundering Russian crime money.
It's not as easy as you think to survive in that world.
The most expensive crimes ever are actually all white collar crimes, slap on the wrist, tennis clubs in jail situations.
They're all like that. There is no justice.
Gambling, Whoring, Liquor, Drugs, the lot of them, democrats/republicans all. They will do anything and everything to preserve their life of Gambling, Whoring, Liquor, Drugs.
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in that world.
My point was not about the horribleness of MAGA crowd and its leader, but rather about the utter cluelessness of the voters who put it in, and kept it in, power.
The Founders clearly understood that the responsibility for the survival of the nation lay with its electorate.
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"Thomas Jefferson was a vocal advocate for individuals' active involvement in public affairs. His belief in the need for an enlightened electorate led him to stress education as a cornerstone of good governance. Jefferson proclaimed that an informed public was crucial for the country's well-being.
James Madison, often referred to as the Father of the Constitution, viewed civic participation as indispensable. He believed a well-functioning republic required citizens to be diligent stewards of their liberties. Madison declared, "A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it's but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy." This underscores his view that an informed citizenry is a safeguard against tyranny.
Alexander Hamilton cherished the idea of a citizenry engaged in governance. He called for active participation, arguing that apathy threatened the very survival of the republic. Hamilton's writings consistently reminded citizens of their role in shaping public policy and holding leaders accountable.
John Adams also stressed the importance of civic responsibilities. He believed that liberty and duty were intertwined. Adams noted, "Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people." For him, education and participation were the bulwark against despotism.
Benjamin Franklin's witty aphorisms often highlighted the need for civic virtue. Franklin warned, "A Republic, if you can keep it." This famous line captures the essence of his views on civic responsibility, emphasizing that maintaining freedom required continuous effort and vigilance."
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"Thomas Jefferson
James Madison,
Alexander Hamilton
John Adams
Benjamin Franklin's
We can agree these people agreed on certain civic virtues, but their actions as individuals, as land owners, does not make them any different than the classist oligarchs we have today.
Again, rich people agree on what aught to be Human-Ideals, they just don't live up to them.
Only very extreme outliers such as Ghandi, Bernie Sanders, have ever walked the walk.
As for voters, the REAL-democratic system begins and ends at the dinner table. If you eat meat, you've voted to destroy the planet. Animal agriculture is the #1 cause of deforestation and climate destruction.
The medical literature is clear, humans are starchivores /monkey.
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I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism
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I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism
Exact reason vegans are so beloved and have such a great reputation. They are always trying to help you with your dietary choices, even when unprompted.
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I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism
Because that is the only vote which matters.
This politics thing, it makes very little difference in the long run.
But if anyone wants to have a world AT ALL, animal agriculture MUST end. It occupies the opportunity cost of 3 Trillion Trees. That is 3x the net carbon emissions since fossil fuel burning began. Animal grazing uses 37% of earth's dry surface (IPCC numbers), we use an additional 6% for animal feed (soy,corn). That is 43% of the earth's dry surface dedicated to producing "meat"
There is no other technology that is going to save us IN TIME. It's broccoli or DIE.
We have 20 years tops, before climate tipping points are irreversible, billions are then guaranteed to Die in a horrible way.
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I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism
Exact reason vegans are so beloved and have such a great reputation. They are always trying to help you with your dietary choices, even when unprompted.
NT, Veganism at its most basic, is the belief that humans should not hurt animals unnecessarily.
That is something everyone already agrees with. So, at our core, all humans are vegan.
The only difference lay with the belief that "humans" are "omnivores" and "MUST" eat meat. This is medically proven to NOT be the case.
Meat consumption in humans accelerate, heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and CANCER.
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I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism
Because that is the only vote which matters.
This politics thing, it makes very little difference in the long run.
But if anyone wants to have a world AT ALL, animal agriculture MUST end. It occupies the opportunity cost of 3 Trillion Trees.
Planting more trees is a band aid, it doesn't reduce carbon emissions in the long run at all. They absorb CO2 and then release the same amount back later. It's a carbon CYCLE after all.
The thing that's caused the greatest carbon imbalance is the digging up of fossil fuels which increases the total amount of carbon above ground whereas either planting or removing trees does not. Reducing our reliance on carbon-based fossil fuels has an infinitely greater impact than anything we do with carbon that's already above ground.
Short version; tap is open, house is flooding. tp advocates putting down more towels rather than closing the tap.
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Planting more trees is a band aid, it doesn't reduce carbon emissions in the long run at all. They absorb CO2 and then release the same amount back later. It's a carbon CYCLE after all.
The thing that's caused the greatest carbon imbalance is the digging up of fossil fuels which increases the total amount of carbon above ground whereas either planting or removing trees does not. Reducing our reliance on carbon-based fossil fuels has an infinitely greater impact than anything we do with carbon that's already above ground.
Short version; tap is open, house is flooding. tp advocates putting down more towels rather than closing the tap.
Chyros, Tp4 trusts you in all things chemistry. But as Botany is neither of our professions, we have to be careful with information which falls outside of our area of expertise.
Based on Tp4's research, A TREE, is a Hunk of carbon, half above ground, half below (1/2 of total mass = roots) + the soil. The people who calculates the carbon opportunity costs have come to the baseline, where 3 Trillion trees + Soil is ~ 3x the total atmospheric carbon emission since fossil fuels began.
Ending animal Agriculture IS closing the tap. Animal agriculture is the primary source of green house gas emissions, @ roughly 87% when land use opportunity cost is taken into account.
https://awellfedworld.org/wp-content/uploads/Livestock-Climate-Change-Anhang-Goodland.pdf
https://climatehealers.org/the-science/animal-agriculture-position-paper/
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Now, here is something that I hadn't though about before:
https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1834300790715912578 (https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1834300790715912578)
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Now, here is something that I hadn't though about before:
https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1834300790715912578 (https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1834300790715912578)
This guy looks about your age Fohat, Tp4 blames the fohat.digs generation. They are ruining america.
(https://i.imgur.com/eFZhgMj.gif)
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The post-Baby Boomers are worse.
My hope for the future lies with Gen Z.
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The Dems are sending spy flys to spy on the giant pile of poop the Reps have been amassing!
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It will be interesting to watch James Donald Bowman (aka JD Vance) perform in the debate Tuesday. His political future will depend on it.
Since he has previously been pontificating exclusively in front MAGA crowds, he has been feeding them the drivel that they wanted to hear.
I suspect that he is disciplined enough to refrain from the usual idiocy, lies, and pandering of his current iteration since he knows that he will be addressing a real audience with legitimate moderators. He should know that if he spews Drumpf-esque nonsense he will be finished in the eyes of the nation.
However, if he can come across as an articulate, informed, and - most of all - sane man then he might set the stage for a comeback in the years to come.
At least, that is what I think.
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When has these debates ever mattered?
We continue to burn fossil fuels at record pace. Destroy what little forest we have left via animal agriculture. America Starts ANOTHER WAR. And we KEEP LOSING THEM. We're going to lose Ukraine. They all died for nothing.
It's not about presidents, it's about collective stupidity.
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Yeah, I don't think debates matter too much any more. Most people have already made their choices, and no amount of information will change them.
All debates are any more are a risk each nominee is taking where everyone is just watching to see if they slip up so they can use it as more ammo.
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don't think debates matter too much any more.
I completely agree that very very few votes will be flipped on Tuesday, but, in any case, the MAGAs are going to have to have someone to turn to in the (probably very near) future.
Tuesday's showing may well determine whether James Donald Woodson (aka James David Hamel aka J.D. Vance) goes forward as one of Drumpf's dingleberries or whether he establishes himself as a player in a Republican future.
Unless, of course, the Vump-Trance ticket were to make it to an inauguration in January 2025, in which case JD would quickly 25th Amendment the fat **** and catapult himself into the Oval Office quite rapidly. Don't imagine that he wouldn't do it.
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Your first mistake, was assumn' the average person could reed.
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Tuesday's showing may well determine whether James Donald Woodson (aka James David Hamel aka J.D. Vance) goes forward as one of Drumpf's dingleberries
he might set the stage for a comeback in the years to come
I guessed wrong.
Instead of taking a higher road and making himself seem worthy of the presidency, he wallowed in the muck and stench of nonsense like Jan 6 denialism.
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The foreign policy between the 2 presidential / vice presidential candidates is EXACTLY THE SAME. More Military SPENDING !!
America is gearing up to send more farmer's kids to die, no matter who you vote for. Suppressing IRAN is ridiculous, we couldn't defeat Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan. What makes anyone think it'll be any different this time.
Neither candidates have done, or plan to do anything about climate change. Both agree on maintaining status quo capitalism, the very thing that got us into this mess in the first place.
The world's Jewish Orthodoxy uniformly / over-whelmingly / unequivocally support Trump because they believe with absolute certainty that Trump will send in American troops to complete their genocide.
In the long run, that is too bad for the Palestinians, because Harris is pretty much just as likely to it.
As Americans, unless you're a soldier, you don't have to worry about war with Palestine. There will only be at worst death in the 1000s.
However, Russia is another matter. Push comes to shove, we CAN NOT defeat another nuclear nation, without mutually assuring our own destruction. In-between the extremes, lots of American farmer's kids will die. War with Russia will be death in the hundred thousands, which then precipitates to millions, finally the end of mankind.
Ukraine is already lost, Notice they're not in the news anymore, Ukrainian death in the millions by now.. Because we bungled it royally. The Biden/Harris administration messed up.
Donald Trump is the safer bet when it comes to the Putin Drama, but this benefit will be extremely short lived. He will absolutely make just about every other world contention worse.
Both candidates talk about/n'quote "Israel needs a win." What does that mean, it means because they're our ally, and we've invested our American-Prestige, aka, sold them Military hardware, we HAVE TO PROVE, that it was money well spent, and the world should buy more into our crumbling military industrial complex.
Palestine will likely go down, for no other reason than to maintain the Facade that American Violence Reigns Supreme.
It's ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT, because we sought to PROVE that with UKRAINE, and they've already lost the war, plain and simple, we sent them all the guns in the world, and they still lost.
This is not a Surprise, For the last 30-40 years, the majority of American military elites, retired diplomats, all agreed, vocally, that this was the likely outcome in a confrontation with Russia. Ukraine was a stupid play. If anything it only shows how weak and ineffective American brand violence actually is.
We can easily take Palestine and complete the genocide for Israel, the real problem is IRAN. Unlike Palestine, it's an actual country, uniting many other nations of the Arab world.
It only takes 30 people to plan and do a 9.11.
How many 9.11s do you think it would take to cripple Israel / / America.
Iranian hackers alone brought our entire banking system to its knees, after we killed their nuclear scientists. They demonstrated unequivocally the fragility of the modern world. This wasn't in the news, but it was probably the biggest hole our militarism dug under Obama.
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The debate.
As usual, the Democrats are addressing the wrong crowd.
For example, the word Adjudicate, Do you think the average republican voter knows what that word means. NO.
Vance is effective, because he's delivering TO his intended audience, he dumbs the speech down with the lowest possible denominator. The democrats did all the bad stuff, trump did all the good stuff, democrats rolled back all the good stuff trump did, vote for trump.
The mistake here, is Walz is addressing HIS base, the Learned, democrat voters, who have already decided to vote for him regardless. He's talking to people he does not need to sway.
What he should be doing, is throwing down against Vance. Vance is a liar, they didn't do this this this. Trump is a Moron, You're a moron, your crack addict mother su....
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Trump talks like an online troll comment section. Is that why some people like him?
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Yes.
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don't think debates matter too much any more.
in January 2025, in which case JD would quickly 25th Amendment the fat **** and catapult himself into the Oval Office
You already heard it from me.
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"I can just speak to what people are feeling. We cannot despair. We cannot despair. You know the nature of a democracy is such that I think there's a duality. On the one hand, there's an incredible strength when our democracy is intact, an incredible strength and what it does to protect the freedoms and rights of people.
There's great strength in that and it is very fragile. It is only as strong as our willingness to fight for it."
- VP Kamala Harris 2024-10-21
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Power structures, are about keeping people in line.
It has nothing to do with fairness or morality.
In that way, all power structures are identical, and have comparable failings.
It will always get this bad, and it will always get worse, before revolution kills the existing rot at the top and we get a slightly less corrupt new state. At this point in the timeline, democrats and republicans are identical people farmers. They are both far right parties.
The trouble is, most of us plebs will drown in the fallout.
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Ugh, why did Kamala water down her campaign so much? It didn't even achieve the intended result, she only lost popularity.
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Ugh, why did Kamala water down her campaign so much? It didn't even achieve the intended result, she only lost popularity.
Capitalism is why, it doesn't matter who you vote for, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. It's all going to sh....
15-30 years, there's a high probability of Cataclysmic Undoing.
Biden inherited Bernie Sander's environmental policy package, watered it down to nothing, and both candidates have agreed to carry on as usual, More fossil fuels, More military spending, Guarantees for the growth of capitalism, 0 effective climate commitment, rollback on AI environmental policies, EVERY damn thing subsidized with TAX PAYER money.
The democrats NEVER INTENDED to follow through. They are owned in whole by the multinationals just as the republicans are. These are puppets. They're both far right parties. That's the nature of corporations, to protect the oligarchy.
Bernie Sanders was our last chance to save the planet and have a future. And Fohat's generation blew it.
Not Fohat though, no one's blaming fohat, we're reasonably sure he's woke at this point.
The only possible effective policy going forward is eating-Vegetables. This might buy us some time. There is no other known solution to climate change.
Animal agriculture is the most destructive, most bigoted, most evil act humanity has ever committed.
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he's woke at this point
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The theory of the greenhouse effect was published even earlier, by the Swedish physicist/chemist Svante Arrhenius (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius#Greenhouse_effect) in 1896.
My alma mater has a road and a building named after him, and the building does (of course) house the department of environmental science.
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6 million Puerto Ricans live stateside
"Comedian Tony Hinchcliffe, who made a so-called joke calling Puerto Rico a “floating island of garbage.” Hinchcliffe made another racist and vulgar comment about Latinos, saying, “And these Latinos, they love making babies too. Just know that. They do. They do. There’s no pulling out. They don’t do that. They come inside. Just like they did to our country." "
- Madison Square Garden 2024-10-27
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I'm convinced this helps, but Latinos on average don't keep up with current events. They'd rather be at family barbecues.
If they're gonna use this against trump, they need to make it loud and fast.
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keep up with current events
I suppose that most adults in the US do not.
Ever since Harris joined the race her speeches kept getting better, but the one in DC tonight was absolutely impeccable.
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Even if you aren't "watching the news" everyone is scrolling their feed. Everyone with a phone has already seen the comments on the folks in PR. The real question is will it motivate anyone to change their vote or get out and vote.
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This is so embarrassing, USA should be ashamed of this circus they are putting on.
But people have no shame any more, which is why this ****show is going on in the first place.
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USA should be ashamed
people have no shame
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_panic)
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Is it just me, or does Teyla resemble Kamala Harris?
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Don't believe it when Tp4 says it.
Ok here's an autistic white girl saying it.
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Just when I thought she might have outgrown her pompous self-righteousness. How dare she!
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Just when I thought she might have outgrown her pompous self-righteousness. How dare she!
How would you describe our situation then Kurplo.
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I think that the US is a target for criticism because of its power and success. The history of the US is mired in acts of cruelty and self-centeredness but also generosity and altruism. I think a majority of countries could say the same.
For the third time, I will be reluctantly be voting for Trump. I have tried to restrain my comments because a format like this rarely is successful in having civil discourse. Most of the GH audience will look for ways to attack without making an attempt to understand. It may not be anyone’s fault, it’s just the nature of online communication without face-to-face nuance.
I frequently have excellent face-to-face conversations with people with radically different views. I’ve learned much from them and maybe they might say the same. I can’t think of a time when we would part with bad feelings toward the other. That happens rarely online.
I think the greatest lesson I’ve learned is not to make a moral judgement against a person with a different perspective. I may believe that they are misguided. I may even find humor in it. In the case of Ms Thunburg, I think her convictions are misdirected but come from a desire for good.
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Voting for Trump doesn't make you misguided or amoral, or anything.
You are a limited intelligence construct as are all humans, we understand a sliver of the totality of the life composition of the planet.
The cruelty, selfishness, amoral conduct, compassion, love, etc are all COMPONENTS of a functioning society.
The Greed drives compulsion, compulsion creates poverty, scarcity drives efficiency, efficiency produces abundance, abundance is consumed by Further-Greed.
Trump, and the capitalism system of greed, gross-misconduct, psychopathy, These might just be the necessarily and evolutionary ordained "Bitter Notes" to an otherwise "Edible Soup".
Tp4 for one is ok with Kurplop voting Trump, Ultimately, the system of exploitation remains unchanged regardless of who you vote for. Harris has identically promised to maintain the status quo, to increase carbon emissions, to send farmers kids off to die, to support Israel's genocide, to kick the climate change can down the road. Trump is no better and no worse. They're both merely figureheads / representatives of DIFFERENT capitalist families. Nameplate difference, Identical human conduct from both sides.
It would seem that human beings of this current time period, are not capable of more compassion than exists, and Though it may be too bad that we will all die on this hill. Our legacy is preserved in the genetic seedlings which will survive the ice age, to reset for the next 10,000 years of inter-glacial period.
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Greta is a dip**** who doesn't know how to read a room, and she is constantly virtue signaling the wrong messages at the wrong times.
She built her entire 'career' of being given handouts to do nothing off being a meme in the first place. Shut up and go away.
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Admit it NT, you're just jealous such a plain looking Jane has more social clot than you will ever achieve.
Your rage and frustration has nothing to do with Greta, it has everything to do with you not living up to your own perceived potential.
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Greta has literally the same exact career arc as the Hawk Tuah girl.
I have no respect for someone who lives off 'donations' from a funny quote they made years ago.
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I wish I could like some of these posts :D
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I was instructed to vote for Harris on Gosuslugi FYI.
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I was instructed to vote for Harris on Gosuslugi FYI.
Russians would distrust that instruction and vote for Trump anyway. The Kaygeebee knows this is what the average Russian would do, which is why they sent it that way.
If they put out the word to vote for Trump, people would vote for Harris.
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