Out with the Old Joe, In with the New Kamala

[fohat.digs]

placate the racists and xenophobes.

Why is he so suitable for them?

Harris, a natural-born US citizen, has been relentlessly attacked for her ancestors.

Her mother, an important biologist, was born in India and her father, an economics professor, was born in Jamaica. Both came to the US for college and met and married here.

Racism and xenophobia wrapped up in a nice package.

Tim Walz is a white-bred midwesterner, descendant of several generations of farmers (and school teachers) who is a military veteran and himself a long-time schoolteacher (and football coach) before entering a solid career in politics - running as a progressive in solidly Republican territories!

https://kamalaharris.com/meet-governor-tim-walz/

[fohat.digs]

Can you elaborate on this a bit?

I "think" that Drumpf is saying that he wants President Biden back in the race?

[noisyturtle]

Is that a real tweet, or parody? I literally can't tell
Kamabla made me laugh

[fohat.digs]

Is that a real tweet, or parody?

I sent it in to Snopes, no reply yet. It came from an article describing how his campaign had cancelled his shows and taken him off the trail, at least temporarily.

edit - yep, it's for real!

[tp4tissue]

The fact that an idiot has won the first time, and that he's CLOSE to winning this time,  is proof that the highest office in the land is fundamentally meaningless.  It also proves that we do NOT at all live in a democracy.

There is a clear and decisive oligarchy/plutocracy. We're not upholding any special ideals above any other nation's government,  this is the same human system which has failed in an identical manner across all of our recorded history.

[chyros]

The fact that an idiot has won the first time, and that he's CLOSE to winning this time,  is proof that the highest office in the land is fundamentally meaningless.  It also proves that we do NOT at all live in a democracy.

There is a clear and decisive oligarchy/plutocracy. We're not upholding any special ideals above any other nation's government,  this is the same human system which has failed in an identical manner across all of our recorded history.

What are you talking about, have you never seen the street interviews or all the comments or the rallies or anything to do with Trump? He's got legions of supporters and they're all REAL, which is in some way far worse than the oligarchy you're describing. No, you can say a lot about the US, and it's true that its antiquated electoral system doesn't provide a representative democracy (Trump is a good example of this) but it's not like its utterly rigged into an oligarchy or something.

[tp4tissue]

What are you talking about, have you never seen the street interviews or all the comments or the rallies or anything to do with Trump? He's got legions of supporters and they're all REAL, which is in some way far worse than the oligarchy you're describing. No, you can say a lot about the US, and it's true that its antiquated electoral system doesn't provide a representative democracy (Trump is a good example of this) but it's not like its utterly rigged into an oligarchy or something.

Without turning this into a battle of definition.

All power structures have dependencies, and so extended naturally, you can say, the entirety of the universe is equitable and therefore democratic.

Tp4's point is not that there is deception,  it's far worse than deception, it's a core misunderstanding of what we're doing and why we're doing it.

[chyros]

What are you talking about, have you never seen the street interviews or all the comments or the rallies or anything to do with Trump? He's got legions of supporters and they're all REAL, which is in some way far worse than the oligarchy you're describing. No, you can say a lot about the US, and it's true that its antiquated electoral system doesn't provide a representative democracy (Trump is a good example of this) but it's not like its utterly rigged into an oligarchy or something.

Without turning this into a battle of definition.

All power structures have dependencies, and so extended naturally, you can say, the entirety of the universe is equitable and therefore democratic.

Tp4's point is not that there is deception,  it's far worse than deception, it's a core misunderstanding of what we're doing and why we're doing it.

Well yeah, mass media exists, and so does poor education.

I agree Trump even having a chance to win in the first place, let alone AGAIN, is a measure of how terrible the state of the world is right now. But it's honestly something people kind of brought upon themselves.

[fohat.digs]

mass media exists, and so does poor education.

As usual, I put a lot of blame on Reagan.

The education question in the US is extremely complex and I can't get into that now. But I will say that I received an excellent education in the public school system between the mid-1950s and mid-1970s (just in time before it headed drastically downhill). And my children were able to get excellent educations (by today's standards, but not as good as mine) through a combination of solid "pre-schooling" (ie before kindergarten), good neighborhood schools (we lived in a moderately affluent and progressive area), both of them were able to get into a superb Magnet/STEM high school, and in college majoring in sciences (as opposed to "biz-nus").

But as for mass media, when radio began in the US the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) was established and it had a rule called "The Fairness Doctrine" that applied to radio, and later television, which required that when political issues were discussed, there had to be "fair" presentation of both sides. Not necessarily (as some thought) "equal time", but a reasonable offering of both viewpoints.

Reagan quickly gutted the FCC (Republicans abhor regulation in any form) and the fairness went out the window.
Broadcasters such as right-wing AM talk radio and Fox or Sinclair "News" as we know them simply could not have existed before the 1980s.

Imagine what happened in following decades as the interwebs grew and eventually dominated the dispersal of "information" ....

[fohat.digs]

I was listening to the vile creep JD Vance who, multiple times in slightly different ways, said that “If you play by the rules, as an American you have the right to a good life in this country that your grandparents built.”

This really galled me in its dis-ingenuousness and hubris when you take even the briefest look at his running mate. Not only has Drumpf spent a lifetime brazenly flaunting the rules – to the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars and countless human lives – but not a single one of  HIS  grandparents was born in this country, and only one of his parents was!

And lest anyone think that I am cherry-picking, let me say that I know that Vance’s natural-born US citizen wife Usha’s family’s immigration history is surprisingly similar to VP Kamala Harris’s: her parents were born in India and are now academics in California.

[tp4tissue]

What politicians propose/ say on the surface is less than 10% of what will be done.

Business will continue as usual, repooplicant or democrap, until, they, get just about everyone killed.



Bernie is the ONLY person who could've saved the world.


The only vote that truly matters is the Choice to eat veggies @ the dinner table. There is no other option to save Earth. This is it. We're out of time. No other technology is remotely close enough either in maturity or cost-effectiveness of implementation.

[tp4tissue]

The movie basically nailed it.

[noisyturtle]

If anything, populations are decreasing globally. Some leaders see it as an issue. Me, not so much.

[chyros]

less people = more sustainable, I don't see the problem either

[tp4tissue]

less people = more sustainable, I don't see the problem either

NO,  less people = labor friction/shortage = inflation = death spiral.

We have to significantly increase population and CEASE meat-consumption.

There is NO SHORTAGE of WORK  that is about to smash humanity in the face.

[chyros]

less people = more sustainable, I don't see the problem either

NO,  less people = labor friction/shortage = inflation = death spiral.

We have to significantly increase population and CEASE meat-consumption.

There is NO SHORTAGE of WORK  that is about to smash humanity in the face.

Yeah it's gonna be a bit problematic for a while but this is why we need more AI to fill that gap!

[fohat.digs]

NO SHORTAGE of WORK

problematic for a while

True, but every mouth breathing and eating puts additional pressure on the system.

World population has more than tripled in my lifetime, but it seems to me that 2-to-3-to-4 billion would be plenty.

[tp4tissue]

True, but every mouth breathing and eating puts additional pressure on the system.

World population has more than tripled in my lifetime, but it seems to me that 2-to-3-to-4 billion would be plenty.

The number of humans is not the problem.

This is the Problem

[noisyturtle]

True, but every mouth breathing and eating puts additional pressure on the system.

World population has more than tripled in my lifetime, but it seems to me that 2-to-3-to-4 billion would be plenty.

The number of humans is not the problem.

This is the Problem

Humans have been raising livestock and eating meat since the dawn of agriculture, but sure, it's only a problem now.

[fohat.digs]

https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-project-2025-secret-training-videos-trump-election

[fohat.digs]

Check this out - right here in writing:

[tp4tissue]

The only difference on that page between p2025,  and what Biden is already doing,  is that reptilians are more racist/ sexist.

Everything else is identical for the democrap playbook.

All economic/military items being CARBON INTENSIVE.

[chyros]

The only difference on that page between p2025,  and what Biden is already doing,  is that reptilians are more racist/ sexist.

Everything else is identical for the democrap playbook.

All economic/military items being CARBON INTENSIVE.

I'd say the biggest difference is that the republicans are headed by a convicted multiple felon who's just been told he's immune from prosecution from his crimes and now spearheads a plan to overturn the US constitution. I can't even begin to wrap my head around why this doesn't ring every alarm bell in every head in the country Oo .

[tp4tissue]

I can't even begin to wrap my head around why this doesn't ring every alarm bell in every head in the country Oo .

Because we do NOT live in a democracy.  Most of us are the cattle class.  The media is just a tool the wealthy use to brainwash us.  They say things like, this vs this, this is getting done, all the while, nothing's getting done, and whatever that is they say is actually destroying the earth.

Democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to "climate destruction".

The military for example is one of the most carbon intensive activity on the planet.  And their bright idea is to expand it, and they've already started wars.

[chyros]

Another thing I didn't know existed: https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump

I know American elections are always a good show (showmanship is one of the things they do best after all) but this election is becoming more and more interesting, I didn't even pay as much attention to the elections in my own country xD .

[fohat.digs]

There is a very long list of Republicans against Trump, that is where  The Lincoln Project  https://lincolnproject.us/videos/  came from.

There are really only 2 groups who support Trump: the poorly informed who have been swayed by the Right-Wing media, and the ultra-wealthy who will do and pay anything to ensure that they are never touched by taxation or regulation.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/harris-campaigns-outreach-plan-republican-voters-rcna165040

[fohat.digs]

Let's hope that this is JD's sole brief bid for the big time.

I like the proposed ticket name for "Vump - Trance"

[fohat.digs]

This is choice.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/trump-camp-buying-tv-ads-mar-a-lago-florida

[noisyturtle]

I was hoping RFK would stick around longer so we'd get more weird ass news about abandoned bear cub corpses and brain worms.
Plus Cheryl Hines as First Lady would've been peak.

[fohat.digs]

more weird ass news

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/environmental-group-asks-federal-agency-investigate-rfk-jr/story?id=113194270

[noisyturtle]

more weird ass news

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/environmental-group-asks-federal-agency-investigate-rfk-jr/story?id=113194270

That is amazing. I honestly think he dropped out because he had a moment to think "Oh no, my skeletons!"

[fohat.digs]

I know American elections are always a good show

That has been compared to offering someone the choice of a maggot-infested dead rat for dinner, or chicken — and their question is “How is the chicken cooked?”

[tp4tissue]

I know American elections are always a good show

That has been compared to offering someone the choice of a maggot-infested dead rat for dinner, or chicken — and their question is “How is the chicken cooked?”

Well if they come from the same kitchen,  you can guess that,  it's not really that different.  Odds are, there are maggot j00ces in both dishes.

Trump / Kamala,   same- Capitalism, same- Outcome. 

Both candidates are committed to:

Growing the Military,
Growing the Economy,
CLIMATE DEVASTATION

[fohat.digs]

"Trump's reelection campaign has vigorously opposed the release of the movie."

And also, for only the 2nd time in its history - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vote-for-kamala-harris-to-support-science-health-and-the-environment/

[fohat.digs]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impulsive-unfit-security-officials-harris-1957650

[noisyturtle]

How the hell was that hot news reporter who is 40 years younger in any way attracted to RFK who looks like an old leather handbag that was recovered from a house fire and sewn onto a skeleton? I don't understand the laws of attraction.

[tp4tissue]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-impulsive-unfit-security-officials-harris-1957650

Take a look at that roster,  Defense contractors, and former generals who hand out contracts to defense contractors.

This is no different a propogandist list, as anything the Republican side comes up with.


No matter who becomes America's next president, the outcome for the world at large is exactly the same.

[tp4tissue]

How the hell was that hot news reporter who is 40 years younger in any way attracted to RFK who looks like an old leather handbag that was recovered from a house fire and sewn onto a skeleton? I don't understand the laws of attraction.

/Bonk,  no horny!

That's not news NT.

[fohat.digs]

[fohat.digs]

I am listening to a program that asks "people in the street" about the election, and time after time after time people say that they will vote for Drumpf because he is a successful business man. OMFG !

Is it a secret that he inherited $400 MILLION DOLLARS and squandered it, and took bankruptcy 6 (SIX) times ?

Maybe they haven't bothered to understand the fact that the only business endeavor that he has ever been successful at is laundering Russian crime money.

[tp4tissue]

Is it a secret that he inherited $400 MILLION DOLLARS and squandered it, and took bankruptcy 6 (SIX) times ?

Maybe they haven't bothered to understand the fact that the only business endeavor that he has ever been successful at is laundering Russian crime money.

It's not as easy as you think to survive in that world.

The most expensive crimes ever are actually all white collar crimes, slap on the wrist,  tennis clubs in jail situations.

They're all like that. There is no justice.

Gambling, Whoring, Liquor, Drugs,  the lot of them, democrats/republicans all. They will do anything and everything to preserve their life of Gambling, Whoring, Liquor, Drugs.   

[fohat.digs]

in that world.

My point was not about the horribleness of MAGA crowd and its leader, but rather about the utter cluelessness of the voters who put it in, and kept it in, power.

The Founders clearly understood that the responsibility for the survival of the nation lay with its electorate.

*    *    *    *    *

"Thomas Jefferson  was a vocal advocate for individuals' active involvement in public affairs. His belief in the need for an enlightened electorate led him to stress education as a cornerstone of good governance. Jefferson proclaimed that an informed public was crucial for the country's well-being.

James Madison,  often referred to as the Father of the Constitution, viewed civic participation as indispensable. He believed a well-functioning republic required citizens to be diligent stewards of their liberties. Madison declared, "A popular Government without popular information or the means of acquiring it's but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy." This underscores his view that an informed citizenry is a safeguard against tyranny.

Alexander Hamilton  cherished the idea of a citizenry engaged in governance. He called for active participation, arguing that apathy threatened the very survival of the republic. Hamilton's writings consistently reminded citizens of their role in shaping public policy and holding leaders accountable.

John Adams  also stressed the importance of civic responsibilities. He believed that liberty and duty were intertwined. Adams noted, "Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people." For him, education and participation were the bulwark against despotism.

Benjamin Franklin's  witty aphorisms often highlighted the need for civic virtue. Franklin warned, "A Republic, if you can keep it." This famous line captures the essence of his views on civic responsibility, emphasizing that maintaining freedom required continuous effort and vigilance."

[tp4tissue]

"Thomas Jefferson

James Madison, 

Alexander Hamilton 

John Adams 

Benjamin Franklin's 

We can agree these people agreed on certain civic virtues,  but their actions as individuals, as land owners,  does not make them any different than the classist oligarchs we have today.

Again, rich people agree on what aught to be Human-Ideals,  they just don't live up to them.

Only very extreme outliers such as Ghandi, Bernie Sanders,  have ever walked the walk.


As for voters,  the REAL-democratic system begins and ends at the dinner table. If you eat meat, you've voted to destroy the planet.  Animal agriculture is the #1 cause of deforestation and climate destruction.

The medical literature is clear, humans are starchivores /monkey.

[Coreda]

I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism

[noisyturtle]

I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism

Exact reason vegans are so beloved and have such a great reputation. They are always trying to help you with your dietary choices, even when unprompted.

[tp4tissue]

I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism

Because that is the only vote which matters.

This politics thing,  it makes very little difference in the long run.

But if anyone wants to have a world AT ALL,   animal agriculture MUST end.  It occupies the opportunity cost of 3 Trillion Trees. That is 3x the net carbon emissions since fossil fuel burning began.  Animal grazing uses 37% of earth's dry surface (IPCC numbers), we use an additional 6% for animal feed (soy,corn). That is 43% of the earth's dry surface dedicated to producing "meat"

There is no other technology that is going to save us IN TIME.   It's broccoli or DIE.

We have 20 years tops, before climate tipping points are irreversible,  billions are then guaranteed to Die in a horrible way.

[tp4tissue]

I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism

Exact reason vegans are so beloved and have such a great reputation. They are always trying to help you with your dietary choices, even when unprompted.

NT,  Veganism at its most basic, is the belief that humans should not hurt animals unnecessarily.

That is something everyone already agrees with. So, at our core, all humans are vegan.

The only difference lay with the belief that "humans" are "omnivores" and "MUST" eat meat.   This is medically proven to NOT be the case.

Meat consumption in humans accelerate, heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and CANCER.

[chyros]

I admire tp's ability to segue any random post into vegan evangelism

Because that is the only vote which matters.

This politics thing,  it makes very little difference in the long run.

But if anyone wants to have a world AT ALL,   animal agriculture MUST end.  It occupies the opportunity cost of 3 Trillion Trees.

Planting more trees is a band aid, it doesn't reduce carbon emissions in the long run at all. They absorb CO2 and then release the same amount back later. It's a carbon CYCLE after all.

The thing that's caused the greatest carbon imbalance is the digging up of fossil fuels which increases the total amount of carbon above ground whereas either planting or removing trees does not. Reducing our reliance on carbon-based fossil fuels has an infinitely greater impact than anything we do with carbon that's already above ground.

Short version; tap is open, house is flooding. tp advocates putting down more towels rather than closing the tap.

[tp4tissue]

Planting more trees is a band aid, it doesn't reduce carbon emissions in the long run at all. They absorb CO2 and then release the same amount back later. It's a carbon CYCLE after all.

The thing that's caused the greatest carbon imbalance is the digging up of fossil fuels which increases the total amount of carbon above ground whereas either planting or removing trees does not. Reducing our reliance on carbon-based fossil fuels has an infinitely greater impact than anything we do with carbon that's already above ground.

Short version; tap is open, house is flooding. tp advocates putting down more towels rather than closing the tap.

Chyros, Tp4 trusts you in all things chemistry. But as Botany is neither of our professions, we have to be careful with information which falls outside of our area of expertise.

Based on Tp4's research,  A TREE, is a Hunk of carbon, half above ground, half below (1/2 of total mass = roots) + the soil.  The people who calculates the carbon opportunity costs have come to the baseline, where 3 Trillion trees + Soil is ~ 3x the total atmospheric carbon emission since fossil fuels began.

Ending animal Agriculture IS closing the tap.   Animal agriculture is the primary source of green house gas emissions, @ roughly 87% when land use opportunity cost is taken into account.

https://awellfedworld.org/wp-content/uploads/Livestock-Climate-Change-Anhang-Goodland.pdf

https://climatehealers.org/the-science/animal-agriculture-position-paper/

[fohat.digs]

Now, here is something that I hadn't though about before:

https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1834300790715912578