the only difference between neutering mtnu and DCS base kits for a reasonable price is people actually want DCS
I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.
So I see the note about “why no accented iso” but also, my main feedback would be to add the accented iso ;D I can’t see that killing the cost.
Also would be down for the int kit.
Will you be posting this on GMK discord IC channel? I can’t even see these pics as Imgur won’t load in uk, but managed to find an image on discord.
Do you already have vendors in mind?
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.
Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.
>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.
Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.
The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.
I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.
The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.
I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.
>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL
The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.
A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?
All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.
Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.
The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.
I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.
The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.
I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.
Colourmatching to existing Honeywell terminal boards is decently feasible, the keys are overall _very_ UV-stable. Below is a pristine unit, showing the off-white legends. And a yellowed unit for comparison. Does this account for all units? As for the rest of your comment, yes the source matters.
Cost cutting your set to the bone to tell someone to buy a product 1.5x the price is a bad sell - You should absolutely consider offering a numpad.>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL
The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.
A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?
All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.
The problem with most designers, as we say here in Denmark, is that they're full of ****.
You can absolutely subsidise a kit completely into oblivion, where actually having meaningful support ends up being more costly compared to a standard base kit, chasing away customers. Turning your argument of MOQ tiers upside down, actually doing streamlined support in the base kit with physical support and then moving specialised kits into as few extension kits as possible is absolutely the way to go for any base kit to be successful.
99 USD for this base kit is not a good deal, and for any ISO user this is an atrocious deal. Not only is the base kit not 99 USD for them - It's going to be substantially more expensive and still yield them 0 accents. ISO support is key physical support, it should not be subsidised. Your extension kit is forcing Alice-users to pay for HHKB-support, HHKB-users to pay for ISO support, and the ISO-users skipping this buy, because why the **** should they pay for HHKB and Alice-support when they only get barebones support out of it.
Your current kitting is bad, but it's not like the whole thing is salvageable. Here's what I would expect from a decent base kit:
Put ISO back into the base, and if you want accents, add ISO accent.
Add alpha tilde and pipe to the base.
Do a proper extension kit and keep the rest there.
Move F13, heck I'd discuss moving the "MTNU R2 Up"-meme from the base there as well, and you can consider adding decent 40s support to that to bring in more people to buy your base kit.
If you're committed to splitting the numpad, omit R1 End and Pg Dn and save those for a numpad kit, where you can do split 0 and Equal sign. With adequate accents. But again, there's strength in numbers, and
If you can't do that base kit for 99 USD at that point, what's the ****ing point of splitting the numpad in the first place then.
If the concern is actually getting closer to a true Honeywell, I would recommend; stop ****ing around and commit to colour matching to an actual keyboard, rather than a previous SA run with who knows which of the keys will actually match. If they ever did at all. As shown in your example pictures, most Honeywell terminal boards aren't using the same white across alphas and modifier legends - It is quite noticeable on the real thing.
Lastly, slashing the numpad seems like a half baked idea considering MTNU WoB numpads are only a feature in full base kits - which are incidently out of stock at most vendors, GMK themselves included.
The point wasn't to color-match to a previous SA run at all. I was simply explaining, with sources, why whoever designed the SA run (which used stock SP colors) made color choices that were closer to the actual Honeywell keyboard than whoever designed the previous GMK runs.
I highly doubt the white is actually different, it's most likely just a matter of lighting and/or yellowing. Imagine color-matching the LEGENDS of a 40 to 50 year-old keyboard. Unless you have a pristine unit, the color matching is inevitably going to be off.
The fact that MTNU WoB Base Kits are currently out of stock means that hundreds, if not thousands, of units are already in the hands of what I'd guess is at least 80% of the people buying $100+ plastic. And I'm sure they'll eventually be restocked. If you don't own an MTNU WoB set, it's highly unlikely you're much of an MTNU fan to begin with.
I'm not opposed to offering a separate Numpad Kit, though. The problem is that we already know it wouldn't reach MOQ on its own and would most likely have to be saved by vendors. I see people asking for numpads all the time, but the reality is that sales data consistently shows most buyers simply don't care for it.
Colourmatching to existing Honeywell terminal boards is decently feasible, the keys are overall _very_ UV-stable. Below is a pristine unit, showing the off-white legends. And a yellowed unit for comparison. Does this account for all units? As for the rest of your comment, yes the source matters.
Cost cutting your set to the bone to tell someone to buy a product 1.5x the price is a bad sell - You should absolutely consider offering a numpad.>$99 base kit
>look inside
>ANSI TKL
The problem with most people is that, as we say in Italy, they want to have the full barrel and a drunk wife.
A $99 TKL Base Kit has too little compatibility, while a $135–150 'Grand' Base Kit is often considered too expensive. What exactly do you expect?
All of this while also having little to no understanding of MOQ tiers. When you occasionally see a set with slightly broader kitting than usual while also being a bit cheaper than average, it's generally because the starting MOQ used for pricing is higher than what most sets begin with.
The problem with most designers, as we say here in Denmark, is that they're full of ****.
You can absolutely subsidise a kit completely into oblivion, where actually having meaningful support ends up being more costly compared to a standard base kit, chasing away customers. Turning your argument of MOQ tiers upside down, actually doing streamlined support in the base kit with physical support and then moving specialised kits into as few extension kits as possible is absolutely the way to go for any base kit to be successful.
99 USD for this base kit is not a good deal, and for any ISO user this is an atrocious deal. Not only is the base kit not 99 USD for them - It's going to be substantially more expensive and still yield them 0 accents. ISO support is key physical support, it should not be subsidised. Your extension kit is forcing Alice-users to pay for HHKB-support, HHKB-users to pay for ISO support, and the ISO-users skipping this buy, because why the **** should they pay for HHKB and Alice-support when they only get barebones support out of it.
Your current kitting is bad, but it's not like the whole thing is salvageable. Here's what I would expect from a decent base kit:
Put ISO back into the base, and if you want accents, add ISO accent.
Add alpha tilde and pipe to the base.
Do a proper extension kit and keep the rest there.
Move F13, heck I'd discuss moving the "MTNU R2 Up"-meme from the base there as well, and you can consider adding decent 40s support to that to bring in more people to buy your base kit.
If you're committed to splitting the numpad, omit R1 End and Pg Dn and save those for a numpad kit, where you can do split 0 and Equal sign. With adequate accents. But again, there's strength in numbers, and
If you can't do that base kit for 99 USD at that point, what's the ****ing point of splitting the numpad in the first place then.
This will likely be my last reply, as I'm not interested in playing this yapping game.
You're not talking to someone designing their first set. I know exactly what I'm talking about and why I made the decisions I made. Saying "MTNU R2-up meme" just shows a lack of understanding of what most MTNU buyers (buyers, not yappers) actually want and why they like the profile. Feedback is always welcome, but not with that attitude.
The kitting I'm using here is almost an exact copy of Geon's recent kitting. You absolutely don't need a traditional all-in-one Base Kit for a set to be successful, what you're saying is simply incorrect. With this approach, people who only want a limited TKL Base Kit (the vast majority of buyers) spend significantly less money, around 35–50% less. The people who also need the Extension Kit end up paying only slightly more than they would have if those keys were included in the Base Kit. Exactly how much more depends on the starting MOQ tiers of each kit, we simply don't know yet.
This isn't the type of kitting I'd normally do, but I wanted to experiment with it on this set because of the WoB numpad concept.
Also, show me a recent GMK set with the numpad included in the Base Kit that sold for $99. I'll wait.
And if you, or anyone else, wants to run a Honeywell set color-matched to a pristine Honeywell keyboard (assuming we can even agree on what "pristine" means), go for it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/HDRoo9c.png)
Hype! Hoping for Novelkeys for US vendor :thumb:
Are all these complaints on kitting serious? It's like we got all full size and alice users around the entire world here in this post. Come on, we all know this hobby revolves around TKLs and 60s (and maybe also 65s). Adding ISO accents then this base kit is descent enough. This will definitely be my first mtnu set if it really happens. GLWIC!
As a newbie to the hobby that started 3 months ago, i always wonder why the base kits do not consist of only the standard TKL.
Meaning a rectangle from the Esc key to the right arrow keys. All the other keys below that and the F13 key should be moved out to another kit.
If you want to have the unique red backspace and any key, why not just incorporate them into the base kit directly instead?
That would totally make sense if your aim is to have the lowest cost MNTU base kit. It might even hit $79 base kit that way.
In fact, why not take that idea further and do without the 6.25U spacebar row. I would be interested to know the weightage of 6.25U users versus 7U users. Are they equally split? Or only 10% of users are 7U users?
this is peak
peak designer hybris
What would be amazing is if GMK shared the MOQ across variants of basekits that work for the regions involved. Some regions are ISO vs ANSI. Some are 6.25u vs 7u. I would never use ISO in my case, but still pay for it, to get the base kit.
I’m more than happy to pay for extension kits, for more niche layouts like HHKB and Alice. Also okay with a numpad child kit. And accent kits.
I think that would be a better outcome for a customer perspective. Probably a nightmare for SKUs though lol.
Hype! Hoping for Novelkeys for US vendor :thumb:
I would be more than happy to have NK as the US vendor. They're a fantastic vendor for both customers and designers, and the main reason MTNU is still being run consistently today.
just imagine how much more insufferable i would be if i was European, this website is so lucky
Hype! Hoping for Novelkeys for US vendor :thumb:
I would be more than happy to have NK as the US vendor. They're a fantastic vendor for both customers and designers, and the main reason MTNU is still being run consistently today.
Strongly agree, GLWIC!
So I am a full-size and Alice user. I also haven't been able to get hold of a WoB numpad and had to settle for TKL sets until they restock. GMK moves slowly. I have also been waiting for a BoW set for ages. So here's my feedback and my wishes:
* Provide a (separate?) numpad. If you provide both a BoW and a WoB (or your Honeywell white) I'll order both.
* Provide an expansion set of BoW modifiers in the same colours as the alphas. Then your kit will work as the effective and sorely missing BoW until GMK makes an official one.
I love to have these classic colourways and am looking forward to the IC and GB. So here's my gratitude for putting in the effort.
A note on pricing: the reason I missed out on the WoB numpad is because of low cashflow preventing purchasing any sets at all (more on this below) and when having landed again, there simple weren't any to get. The point here is that $99 or $159 (or whatever) isn't the consideration that makes me buy or fly. This is already an expensive enough hobby that price sensitive buyers can't cross over the threshold, and us MTNU buyers aren't put off by a few tens of dollars. So it is my feeling that optimising for price is probably focusing on a lesser (though still relevant) variable.
Ehhh mtnu is... not my thing.
Still holding out hope for a proper SA rerun though - given geon's recent OCO reruns.
As if on cue
Small off-topic note that might interest some of you, since it came up in the comments:But WFT GMK! I ordered the TKL set ONE WEEK ago after you refused to reply to my inquiries about when the grand set it would be restocked. GMK, you are a like a very troublesome child: I love you, but I really want to kill you with fire, too, and the latter more than the former.
As if on cue, the MTNU WoB Grand Base Kit has just come back in stock :thumb:
Small off-topic note that might interest some of you, since it came up in the comments:But WFT GMK! I ordered the TKL set ONE WEEK ago after you refused to reply to my inquiries about when the grand set it would be restocked. GMK, you are a like a very troublesome child: I love you, but I really want to kill you with fire, too, and the latter more than the former.
As if on cue, the MTNU WoB Grand Base Kit has just come back in stock :thumb:
As if on cue
I had the same thought. Maybe I need to design a kit that takes advantage of the WoB color modifiers lol.
Over at r/MechanicalKeyboards, a discussion suggested a MTNU 8010 set. When looking into it, 8010 seems like the Honeywell set with steel blue modifiers. If so, that could be an interesting extension set. That would be a very delicious set: MTNU Honeywell 8010.
Long link to r/MK:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1ukw2pg/comment/ouz8vwz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I would like a 2u spacebar in the extension kit.
I think they're talking about porting SA 8010 (https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/sa-keycaps/8010/) to MTNU. It's a cool colorway, but it's much harder to do because of the large number of new legend molds it would require. It would need strong vendor support to keep the price from becoming insanely high. Maybe in the future, who knows.Yeah, true, I was thinking only in terms of colourways, but that's only part of the kitting for vintage systems. Point taken.
So let me ask: which non-40% layout actually requires a 2u spacebar? The few 7u split spacebar layouts I've seen use a 3–1–3 split (rather than 2.25u + 2u + 2.75u), and every 60–65% Alice board I've come across over the years supports 2.25u and 2.75u.
Now this is the kind of kitting feedback I like. You noticed the absence of the 2u spacebar.
So let me ask: which non-40% layout actually requires a 2u spacebar? The few 7u split spacebar layouts I've seen use a 3–1–3 split (rather than 2.25u + 2u + 2.75u), and every 60–65% Alice board I've come across over the years supports 2.25u and 2.75u.
Now this is the kind of kitting feedback I like. You noticed the absence of the 2u spacebar.
So let me ask: which non-40% layout actually requires a 2u spacebar? The few 7u split spacebar layouts I've seen use a 3–1–3 split (rather than 2.25u + 2u + 2.75u), and every 60–65% Alice board I've come across over the years supports 2.25u and 2.75u.
I use a Keebio FoldKB. It is a split ortholinear keyboard that uses a standard keycap set. It has a 2u spacebar on the left side and a 2.75u spacebar on the right side.
I currently have DSS Honeywell on a FoldKB, and it included DSA profile split spacebars, which are useless to me. (They are concave and dig into the side of my thumb.) Fortunately, I was able to find white G20 keycaps that match the white alphas almost exactly.
If MTNU Honeywell does not include a 2u spacebar in the Extension Kit, then it is a nonstarter for me.
So let me ask: which non-40% layout actually requires a 2u spacebar? The few 7u split spacebar layouts I've seen use a 3–1–3 split (rather than 2.25u + 2u + 2.75u), and every 60–65% Alice board I've come across over the years supports 2.25u and 2.75u.
Does Preonic count? Apparently there might be another version in the works?
The BoW Modifier Kit is an extremely interesting idea. Given that the BoW colorway is the best selling keycaps of all time, and the lack of MTNU BoW, i believe there will be lots of people actually buying both base and BoW mod kit. Especially if you eliminate even more keys in base kit to make it such that buying both kits could result in being even cheaper than if GMK itself suddenly release a BoW.
The new Agar Micro uses a 2U with a 2.25U. Agar Mini uses two 3Us. The 40s route is a giant scope creep that is incompatible with your stated goal of low prices. Even the SA A History of Violets, the most compatible kit for SA, become less compatible in their MTNU IC.
As a newbie with 0 MTNU sets, the $30 to $50 difference will tempt me more, but not an instant buy. A $50 to $70 difference though, would be an instant buy. A great example will be the recent GMK British Racing Green (BRG) Round 3 selling for USD$79. It has even lesser keys in base kit than yours, and i bought it instantly.
Nice to see more MTNU options lately.
Will there be any novelties?
Ehhh mtnu is... not my thing.
Still holding out hope for a proper SA rerun though - given geon's recent OCO reruns.
…does it really make sense to include it when some arguably more important keys are being left out? I don't think so.So let me ask: which non-40% layout actually requires a 2u spacebar? The few 7u split spacebar layouts I've seen use a 3–1–3 split (rather than 2.25u + 2u + 2.75u), and every 60–65% Alice board I've come across over the years supports 2.25u and 2.75u.
Does Preonic count? Apparently there might be another version in the works?
BoW (Black on White) is definitely not the best-selling set of all time. At most, I'd say it's third or fourth, with WoB (White on Black), Beige, and possibly Dolch ahead of it. That's essentially why we haven't seen a vendor, or GMK themselves, propose an MTNU BoW yet.Third or fourth is a pretty good position, though. So I believe popularity or viability or financial sense is not on the plate when GMK decides which sets to go with since they instead just self-produced Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke. I might miss something here--I *must* be missing something here!--but I can't fathom why they'd do that instead of a BoW. Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.
…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!
Oh god, they hate it when I talk about keyboards! But if your're a fan please enlighten me! I'd love to learn something I obviously don't get!…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!
I agree 100% but I'm not plugged in at all lol, you gotta ask the designer here, I just spend moneyEhhh mtnu is... not my thing.since you're so plugged in with geon can you convince him to run dsa sets it's widdawawwy the best uniform profile
Still holding out hope for a proper SA rerun though - given geon's recent OCO reruns.
gmk is not an art collective: they produce what they're asked. it doesn't have to look good to you, it has to sell. and jukebox is one of the oldest and most iconic colorways in the hobby. if pastel colors disturb you, wait until you see the mtnu version of analog dreams lol (and the glyph alignment on the alphas 😂)Oh god, they hate it when I talk about keyboards! But if your're a fan please enlighten me! I'd love to learn something I obviously don't get!…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!
I have seen it and am trying to keep an open mind. Trying really hard, I might add :D I seriously had no idea that Jukebox had a pedigree. It seems that the current trend in CYL are pastel and what I call "garish" sets, and it would follow that this seeps into MTNU, too. And yeah, you are spot in in assessing that I'd not be a fan of the Analogue Dreams legend/sublegend placements. That said, Analogue Dreams is a set I am contemplating getting, if nothing else for the mix-and-match opportunities it offers and that the alphas themselves are pretty decent.I agree 100% but I'm not plugged in at all lol, you gotta ask the designer here, I just spend moneyEhhh mtnu is... not my thing.since you're so plugged in with geon can you convince him to run dsa sets it's widdawawwy the best uniform profile
Still holding out hope for a proper SA rerun though - given geon's recent OCO reruns.gmk is not an art collective: they produce what they're asked. it doesn't have to look good to you, it has to sell. and jukebox is one of the oldest and most iconic colorways in the hobby. if pastel colors disturb you, wait until you see the mtnu version of analog dreams lol (and the glyph alignment on the alphas 😂)Oh god, they hate it when I talk about keyboards! But if your're a fan please enlighten me! I'd love to learn something I obviously don't get!…Jukebox, a garish hellscape of eggshell and mint that won't match almost any keyboard and looks more like a sad meme joke … Not to mention that some pastel nightmare called Papaya or something is being GB:d or produced.Your friends must think you’re the most fun at parties!
I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.
What compatibility are you talking about exactly? Apart from the numpad and 40s, which would stay out for the reasons I explained in the thread.
I’d love to hear if there are any missing keys that are actually wanted by a decent number of people.
Feel free to fill out the IC form if you’ve got a couple of minutes ;)
I would have considered getting this if it were a real basekit, but that is just too little compatibility.
What compatibility are you talking about exactly? Apart from the numpad and 40s, which would stay out for the reasons I explained in the thread.
I’d love to hear if there are any missing keys that are actually wanted by a decent number of people.
Feel free to fill out the IC form if you’ve got a couple of minutes ;)
I was going to answer this but the way you are arguing with people makes it obvious that you have your own idea and will not be bent. Good luck.
I'd even be willing to make this an all-in-one Base Kit if that's what the community and vendors prefer.*raises hand* Yes, please!
I'd even be willing to make this an all-in-one Base Kit if that's what the community and vendors prefer.*raises hand* Yes, please!
I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.
That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.
I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.
Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future :thumb:
I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.
That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.
I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.
Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future :thumb:
For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?
I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.
That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.
I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.
Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future :thumb:
For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?
A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.
Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.
I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.
That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.
I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.
Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future :thumb:
For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?
A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.
Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.
Then consider moving the dedicated 40s keys from the Grand Base to the TKL Base. It would reduce the price of the Grand Base and attract 40s users who don't want to pay for a million keycaps they won't use. And how many Numpad users want spacebars smaller than 6u?
On the other hand, those who want to cover both types of boards would have to buy both Base kits. But what percent of buyers is that?
You could make an IC survey to weigh customer preferences.
I'm starting to think the right approach for this would be to offer two Base Kits: a TKL Base Kit targeting around $99, and a Grand Base Kit targeting around $150, without any child kits.
That way, people can simply choose whichever Base Kit best fits their needs, and everyone's happy.
I'm not entirely sure yet how MOQ is handled when a set offers two Base Kits during the group buy, but I assume the starting MOQ would be higher than usual. If that's the case, the set would need strong vendor support.
Anyway, I just wanted to share the idea with you. We'll see how it evolves in the future :thumb:
For this configuration, I recommend at least one child kit: 40's Mods. Because some people who don't need Numpad also don't have standard TKL boards. Or are you already planning a "Grand TKL" kit that covers smaller boards?
A dedicated 40% child kit in 2026 for an MTNU set? That's blasphemy, lmao.
Jokes aside, the Grand Base Kit would obviously include between 3 and 6-keys 40s support (most likely 3 to 4), just like we've seen with most recent sets.
Then consider moving the dedicated 40s keys from the Grand Base to the TKL Base. It would reduce the price of the Grand Base and attract 40s users who don't want to pay for a million keycaps they won't use. And how many Numpad users want spacebars smaller than 6u?
On the other hand, those who want to cover both types of boards would have to buy both Base kits. But what percent of buyers is that?
You could make an IC survey to weigh customer preferences.
What you're saying is correct in theory, and I agree. But in practice, it doesn't make much sense.
If I start adding more support to the TKL Base Kit (40s, Alice, HHKB, etc.), the price would increase, and the price gap between the TKL Base Kit and the Grand Base Kit would shrink to the point where it no longer makes sense to have two separate base kits. Having two base kits only makes sense when there's a substantial price difference between them (e.g. ~$99 vs. ~$150).
I'm also not sure why anyone would have to buy both base kits, since the Grand Base Kit is literally just the TKL Base Kit plus additional support for those who need it (numpad, 40s, Alice, HHKB, etc.).