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Title: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:10:14
Anyone have one?  Opinions?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:18:49
Quote from: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:10:14
Anyone have one?  Opinions?

Hadn't seen it before, but from the photos I found, it looks great. Typical 87 key layout is nice, but i'd be hesitant to get one given the reports on the Race/Pure quality.

http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-410577-1-1.html

Edit:
From what I can tell, it's plate mounted in red or black switches with blue back lighting. Most of the reviews compare it to a Filco, but say it's not the same level of craftsmanship. One review (according to Google Translate) said the bottom case feels delicate compared to a Filco. Over all it looks like a nice backlit tkl; the lighting isn't garish and there shouldn't be an issue with odd sized key caps.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:24:21
Looks an awful lot like my ducky
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:26:15
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:18:49
Quote from: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:10:14
Anyone have one?  Opinions?

Hadn't seen it before, but from the photos I found, it looks great. Typical 87 key layout is nice, but i'd be hesitant to get one given the reports on the Race/Pure quality.

http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-410577-1-1.html

There's another good (translated) link here:
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&ie=UTF-8&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftech.sina.com.cn%2Fh%2F2012-08-26%2F01002256522.shtml
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:40:02
OH! One of the reviews I read, maybe even the one I linked, mentioned (what I gathered from the translation) that the model he received was not the final production model. That and the fact that I haven't found a ton of forum posts on 'em leads me to think that they're not out yet OP. I think you'll have to wait a bit longer to figure out where to get one, but Taobao would be my best guess for when they're released.

Edit:
Only photos I've found of the 104. Black switches except for the keypad which uses blues. Interesting.
http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855 (http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855)
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:43:37
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:40:02
OH! One of the reviews I read, maybe even the one I linked, mentioned (what I gathered from the translation) that the model he received was not the final production model. That and the fact that I haven't found a ton of forum posts on 'em leads me to think that they're not out yet OP. I think you'll have to wait a bit longer to figure out where to get one, but Taobao would be my best guess for when they're released.

Edit:
Only photos I've found of the 104. Black switches except for the keypad which uses blues. Interesting.
http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855 (http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855)

http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/category/cateogry1-name/catId=4318390
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:46:56
Quote from: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:43:37
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:40:02
OH! One of the reviews I read, maybe even the one I linked, mentioned (what I gathered from the translation) that the model he received was not the final production model. That and the fact that I haven't found a ton of forum posts on 'em leads me to think that they're not out yet OP. I think you'll have to wait a bit longer to figure out where to get one, but Taobao would be my best guess for when they're released.

Edit:
Only photos I've found of the 104. Black switches except for the keypad which uses blues. Interesting.
http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855 (http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855)

http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/category/cateogry1-name/catId=4318390

Well.... You could've shared that to begin with  :-[

But the ones I've seen have been backlit.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:49:06
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:46:56
Quote from: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:43:37
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:40:02
OH! One of the reviews I read, maybe even the one I linked, mentioned (what I gathered from the translation) that the model he received was not the final production model. That and the fact that I haven't found a ton of forum posts on 'em leads me to think that they're not out yet OP. I think you'll have to wait a bit longer to figure out where to get one, but Taobao would be my best guess for when they're released.

Edit:
Only photos I've found of the 104. Black switches except for the keypad which uses blues. Interesting.
http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855 (http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/58855)

http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/category/cateogry1-name/catId=4318390

Well.... You could've shared that to begin with  :-[

But the ones I've seen have been backlit.

Sorry...  Thought it was general (geekhack) knowledge.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:50:55
I've been on qtan's Vendio a number of times in the past two weeks or so and haven't seen it, but that doesn't really mean anything. You might send him an email or message and see if he has any opinions on it.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:11:52
It took Vortex long enough to get it out I just assumed it was more Vaportex. Quite surprised. Too bad it didn't have the black on charcoal dyesub Cherry profile caps they mentioned earlier on (unless I am mis-remembering).
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: f/64 on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:20:22
Quote from: lysol on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:11:52
It took Vortex long enough to get it out I just assumed it was more Vaportex. Quite surprised. Too bad it didn't have the black on charcoal dyesub Cherry profile caps they mentioned earlier on (unless I am mis-remembering).

They're at the end of the review I linked I think?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:25:55
Once again, the spruce marks on the back of the caps.

You can see them better on the larger photo on Qtang's site

http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/shop-mechanical-keyboard-by-sw/kbt-oni-87keys-mechanical-keyb/lid=32980982
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:34:44
I didn't wait for all the pics to load first look, that site is always very slow for me. But it looks like they just put some imsto caps on it, not that they come with it. I would try to find the old posts here from Vortex about it, but I will just guess all the pictures would be missing so there is probably little point. But I recall them showing some caps that were more like the black on near black topre ones.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: f/64 on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:38:52
Quote from: lysol on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:34:44
I didn't wait for all the pics to load first look, that site is always very slow for me. But it looks like they just put some imsto caps on it, not that they come with it. I would try to find the old posts here from Vortex about it, but I will just guess all the pictures would be missing so there is probably little point. But I recall them showing some caps that were more like the black on near black topre ones.

"Here is for the KBC the gray dye sublimation keycap picture. Like went to talk to the director of it =. ="
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Tue, 11 September 2012, 00:44:10
Just emailed Qtang to ask for his input.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: kaiserreich on Tue, 11 September 2012, 10:03:16
It is made by costar. But with cherry stabilizers.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 September 2012, 15:33:56
Quote from: kaiserreich on Tue, 11 September 2012, 10:03:16
It is made by costar. But with cherry stabilizers.

This board is so definitely costar. The bezel looks identical in shape. Though I do not like the stabilizers, other than that, this keyboard totally rocks for $104

wait nevermind, that's the nonbacklite version. Screw that, Coolermaster all the way..
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: p.s. on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:16:02
If anyone cares about vortex made dye sub PBT, I saw some pictures of black on dark grey ones this morning. Pretty impressive.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:31:19
Quote from: p.s. on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:16:02
If anyone cares about vortex made dye sub PBT, I saw some pictures of black on dark grey ones this morning. Pretty impressive.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2
Are you going to get any for sale? Any idea what they'll cost?

I have the KBT Pure with PBT caps and they feel real nice, but now that I've had it for a couple months I think the text of the characters is already rubbing off. It isn't even my every day driver, I use it for a couple hours a day at work with very sparse typing...
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:33:55
Quote from: danielucf on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:31:19
Quote from: p.s. on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:16:02
If anyone cares about vortex made dye sub PBT, I saw some pictures of black on dark grey ones this morning. Pretty impressive.

Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk 2
Are you going to get any for sale? Any idea what they'll cost?

I have the KBT Pure with PBT caps and they feel real nice, but now that I've had it for a couple months I think the text of the characters is already rubbing off. It isn't even my every day driver, I use it for a couple hours a day at work with very sparse typing...
Then,  why do you want to buy another board with KBT PBT caps?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: danielucf on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:35:21
Who said anything about buying a board? I was commenting on the PBTs feeling nice but the verdict is still out on how long the characters will last on them. PBT dyesubs are another issue all together and what I am interested in.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: therecorder on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:36:47
Quote from: danielucf on Tue, 11 September 2012, 17:35:21
Who said anything about buying a board? I was commenting on the PBTs feeling nice but the verdict is still out on how long the characters will last on them. PBT dyesubs are another issue all together and what I am interested in.
Nery sorry...  Read too fast...  My booboo...
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: qtan5370 on Wed, 12 September 2012, 00:25:11
Well, vortex dye sub caps, custom oem profile will cost around 60 dollar in retail i believes.

Too much caps in the market. I don't think black on black dye sub will stand out much. 
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: snow Crash on Wed, 12 September 2012, 04:42:06
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:18:49
One review (according to Google Translate) said the bottom case feels delicate compared to a Filco.

The reviews I've seen seem very positive at about the build quality.

From my limited understanding of Chinese I think "precise" is a better translation in this context rather than "delicate", as delicate has connotations of fragility in English. Either way I've got one in the post from qtan so I'll let you know.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 September 2012, 07:24:28
Quote from: snow Crash on Wed, 12 September 2012, 04:42:06
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:18:49
One review (according to Google Translate) said the bottom case feels delicate compared to a Filco.

The reviews I've seen seem very positive at about the build quality.

From my limited understanding of Chinese I think "precise" is a better translation in this context rather than "delicate", as delicate has connotations of fragility in English. Either way I've got one in the post from qtan so I'll let you know.

Can you find where it says delicate, my translated page doesn't have delicate.

OK I see it, yea, they used the CHINESE term "Xi-Ni" [细腻] which means "fine-crafted" or "precise-workmanship" or literally "exquisitely-intimate"

So they're saying the Bottom piece is BETTER than the Filco, NOT worse.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 September 2012, 07:30:25
Quote from: f/64 on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:18:49
Quote from: therecorder on Mon, 10 September 2012, 23:10:14
Anyone have one?  Opinions?

Hadn't seen it before, but from the photos I found, it looks great. Typical 87 key layout is nice, but i'd be hesitant to get one given the reports on the Race/Pure quality.

http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-410577-1-1.html

Edit:
From what I can tell, it's plate mounted in red or black switches with blue back lighting. Most of the reviews compare it to a Filco, but say it's not the same level of craftsmanship. One review (according to Google Translate) said the bottom case feels delicate compared to a Filco. Over all it looks like a nice backlit tkl; the lighting isn't garish and there shouldn't be an issue with odd sized key caps.

Google translate is WRONG, it translated the wrong connotation for the term "Xi-Ni" [细腻] which actually means "fine-crafted" or "precise-workmanship" or literally "exquisitely-intimate"
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Fri, 14 September 2012, 10:22:39
I have an 87 Oni incoming.

Cherry Brown,  no Backlight, Top Printed PBT Caps with 37 Side Engraved

I'll post pictures when I get it.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Thu, 20 September 2012, 11:26:39
Received my ONI, the quality is top notch. I'll post pictures of it when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: biezpienmaize on Fri, 21 September 2012, 01:48:17
Couldn't wait. Ordered one just now  :-[
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 21 September 2012, 03:03:16
108 key is called One. Oni is the 87k version.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Fri, 21 September 2012, 09:41:10
Quote from: laffindude on Fri, 21 September 2012, 03:03:16
108 key is called One. Oni is the 87k version.
The Oni I have has an Aluminum plate on the back, says "One"-

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Hee3XLPRC18/UFx7lKbaGGI/AAAAAAAABng/NpetxO0vDmg/s912/2012-09-21_07-29-14_824.jpg)

Here are some more pictures-

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-jbQMrMvmJ2Q/UFx7jo_Ne6I/AAAAAAAABnM/BXoqNKT1bwQ/s912/2012-09-21_07-25-19_426.jpg)

Each of the keys does have a pretty aggressive stem on the back, I'm probably going to use a hobby knife and cut it off-

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9rToATDDtns/UFx7kgNqVKI/AAAAAAAABnY/tL99azQuhJ8/s912/2012-09-21_07-27-48_73.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3eLe63MqSoI/UFx7lv-MpVI/AAAAAAAABno/kgRdyckcuP4/s912/2012-09-21_07-29-34_154.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RkirYdjH_nM/UFx7mNXTzbI/AAAAAAAABnw/1g30bPWwDJM/s912/2012-09-21_07-29-43_641.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2bCYtvWgRWE/UFx7mpoJmKI/AAAAAAAABn4/qsTMquBACDw/s912/2012-09-21_07-30-15_395.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r8V7AhD0xAk/UFyB16SIrJI/AAAAAAAABoc/USQcJh2Rvfs/s912/2012-09-21_08-02-13_455.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-LrGvunnMiN8/UFyB2WhwmEI/AAAAAAAABpA/nyrqLq_yprU/s912/2012-09-21_08-01-35_900.jpg)

I will be modding it this weekend for detachable cable.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: xenon_chris on Fri, 21 September 2012, 10:47:19
how's the keystroke feel/sound? (past the obv tactile feedback from the browns ;)
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Fri, 21 September 2012, 11:13:38
Keys feel good, I would say they feel slightly stiff, but they're totally new.

The plate feels/sounds thick. When I bottom out it's a pretty low pitched "tunk" sound verse, plastic hitting a thin plate. Might be in my head... but whatever.

Space bar feels great.

I really really really like the keys. They feel really nice, but I am worried about the lettering, both based on earlier feedback in the thread, and also some scratching I did on some letters. It does appear that over time the lettering will wear out, how much time, I'm unsure.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: danielucf on Fri, 21 September 2012, 14:40:56
What Leopold spacebar did you compare to? FC200 or FC500/FC700 ?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Fri, 21 September 2012, 15:15:35
FC200
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 23 September 2012, 02:26:15
Quote from: weenis on Fri, 21 September 2012, 09:41:10
The Oni I have has an Aluminum plate on the back, says "One"-
I will be modding it this weekend for detachable cable.
http://kbtalking.cool3c.com/article/62673
It's deliberate. Oni has a badge that says One, and One has badge that says Oni.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 23 September 2012, 09:07:15
lol. why would they do that? (I can't read Chinese)
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 24 September 2012, 02:12:18
Quote from: metalliqaz on Sun, 23 September 2012, 09:07:15
lol. why would they do that? (I can't read Chinese)
According to google translate, it's to raise awareness of the other one. Like if they get the oni, they look up the "one" online and see that there's another one.

It also seems that once they come out with a backlit version, they'll switch back.

It also says the dark grey PBT colour was picked over black. I say that I certainly approve!
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Sat, 20 October 2012, 11:13:39
So ya. I got mine. I like it so far. The stabilizer in the space bar feels nice... for a plate mounted Cherry stabilizer. Backspace is a little mushy along with Lshift. The board sits at a different angle (steeper) than Filcos, and slightly wider. I wish it had 2m cord, since it feels kinda short. Ah well. One thing I do like is the shallow well the keys sit in, since it'll probably easier to clean. I'll use it for a few more days for the new toy syndrome to wear off then I'll write more about it.

....... I may rape the board of its keycaps and put it on the Filco that's permanently attached to the desk ;o~ I may or may not have bought an extra one for that exact purpose ;)

Edit, I just noticed there is no scroll lock indicator... not that it matters.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: la4atld on Sun, 21 October 2012, 12:17:31
Quote from: laffindude on Sat, 20 October 2012, 11:13:39
So ya. I got mine. I like it so far. The stabilizer in the space bar feels nice... for a plate mounted Cherry stabilizer. Backspace is a little mushy along with Lshift. The board sits at a different angle (steeper) than Filcos, and slightly wider. I wish it had 2m cord, since it feels kinda short. Ah well. One thing I do like is the shallow well the keys sit in, since it'll probably easier to clean. I'll use it for a few more days for the new toy syndrome to wear off then I'll write more about it.

....... I may rape the board of its keycaps and put it on the Filco that's permanently attached to the desk ;o~ I may or may not have bought an extra one for that exact purpose ;)

Edit, I just noticed there is no scroll lock indicator... not that it matters.
is it ONE or ONI? waiting for a more detailed review.
thank you so far :)
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 21 October 2012, 23:43:06
Oni. I've already pillaged the board and put ABS caps on it.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: biezpienmaize on Mon, 22 October 2012, 02:32:08
Quote from: la4atld on Sun, 21 October 2012, 12:17:31
is it ONE or ONI?
I'm typing this on the TKL version. It says "One" on the back of the keyboard on the aluminum plate, but "Oni" on the packaging IIRC. If I weren't so lazy, I would post pictures, sorry.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 22 October 2012, 04:18:40
^See: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35477.msg667119#msg667119 and http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35477.msg668212#msg668212
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: aznsilvrboy on Mon, 22 October 2012, 13:33:41
Quote from: dorkvader on Mon, 24 September 2012, 02:12:18
Quote from: metalliqaz on Sun, 23 September 2012, 09:07:15
lol. why would they do that? (I can't read Chinese)
According to google translate, it's to raise awareness of the other one. Like if they get the oni, they look up the "one" online and see that there's another one.

It also seems that once they come out with a backlit version, they'll switch back.

It also says the dark grey PBT colour was picked over black. I say that I certainly approve!

The reason for switching the aluminum plate is because KBTalking is disadvantaged when it comes to distribution channels, so they did it to raise the awareness of the other keyboard. When one sees the keyboard name on the simple box, and then see the aluminum plate, they might be confused and think that they bought the wrong product. So they might return to the vendor and ask or search online and realize there's another keyboard.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 22 October 2012, 19:52:31
Bizarre and counterproductive, if you ask me.  It would only make me think that those people can't get their **** straight.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: biezpienmaize on Tue, 23 October 2012, 00:17:08
I have to agree, because there are playlist control media buttons on the keyboard, but no volume control media buttons, which I find kind of weird.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 23 October 2012, 02:10:43
Because.... the volume buttons are 3 of 4 extra keys on the 108k version.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: aizen on Wed, 24 October 2012, 08:51:19
Is there only one CAPS led on keyboard?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: biezpienmaize on Wed, 24 October 2012, 09:08:18
Yes only one LED (at least on TKL version). Not of much use - CapsLock key is not transparent.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 25 October 2012, 04:42:09
As a testament to me changing my mind faster than I change lanes, PBT are back on after only a day. Mainly because it really is too plain with blank caps on. I like my boring black boards, but that even surpassed my limit. My Ninja at least has a subtle badge and 2 holes for the LED. This just have nothing. Other is that I can only take blues in moderation. ABS + blues = annoyance. Feel be damned. Apparently, I am the only one on this forum that prefer ABS to PBT.

I probably wouldn't write a full review on the board, unless someone really bother me enough to write one. It's a quality board at ~100 bucks. Probably not as good of a deal as a QFR when it's on sale. VS the QFR (I think they went overboard with delabeling on the new one), the choice ends up between whether you want PBT, removable cable, or stabilizer preference. They're both decent boards. I like the fixed cable on the Oni, but would have preferred Costar style stabilizers. That's why I prefer Filcos ;) This may be all in my mind, but tapping on the case, Filco sounds like it has a more solid case. However, Oni's case (along with the case of QFR) doesn't have the bow in it in front of the spacebar. Oni's case (I believe this goes for One as well) is an entirely new mold. There are still alignment problems. So the left side is not too close to the left most keycaps, but right most keycaps is too close to the right side on the main typing cluster. Nit picking is my specialty, so don't take this as a real complaint. The only real complaint is that the slightly raised angle of the entire board. I wish they didn't mess with that. Duckies has a similar style raised keycaps look case, but didn't mess with the angle. Tsk tsk tsk. Gimme negative angle board please.

(at the time of this writing, I have a Ninja, Oni, QFR and YotD on the desk. Yes I do feel silly).

TL;DR: I like cookies.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Thu, 25 October 2012, 09:48:30
I don't understand what you're talking about when you say-

Quote
Oni's case (I believe this goes for One as well) is an entirely new mold. There are still alignment problems. So the left side is not too close to the left most keycaps, but right most keycaps is too close to the right side on the main typing cluster.

Are you saying there is a greater gap between the edge of the cap and the case on the right hand side of the keys than the gap on the left side of the keys next to the case?

If this is what you're saying, mine has pretty exact alignment...

I'm going to get all objective on this, grabbing my calipers tonight.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:03:35
No. Left gap is bigger than right gap. You don't have a Filco, I think that's why you're confused. Filco's case is too close on the left and that is a common complaint.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:09:18
Oh I see what you're saying, I thought you were saying this issue existed with the KBT.

Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:12:47
Read more closely. Filco = too close on the left. Oni = too close on the right.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Thu, 25 October 2012, 10:35:04
That is what I thought you were saying.

I'm saying my Oni has no gap issues, and haven't seen any other complaints of gap issues with Oni.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Thu, 25 October 2012, 11:37:47
It is what it is. I am not complaining about it. If you don't think it is closer, just stick your keycap puller on it and you'll see (preferably one of those with a circle and 2 prongs coming out of it). It'll going in nice and easy on the left side and you need to fish it in there on the right. Look at your inverted T while you're at it. A lot of people never knew about the alignment issue on their Filco until their new signature plastic caps rubs on the case. Like I said, it is what it is.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Thu, 25 October 2012, 11:43:29
I'll post caliper results.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 25 October 2012, 13:41:21
Can one of you guys that own the keyboard measure the distance (from center to center, in millimeters) between the two screws that hold the plate/PCB down to the case? It requires taking off the top case though. Please and thank you!


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Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: mr626 on Mon, 29 October 2012, 19:36:46
I'm considering buying one of these. So the overall consensus seems to be that they are pretty good for the price?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: biezpienmaize on Tue, 30 October 2012, 05:00:46
Not an expert, but quality seems good to me.

Maybe someone has already taken it apart and tell if there are any screws under the rubber feet or should I just pry it open?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: laffindude on Tue, 30 October 2012, 09:32:17
Doesn't looks like there are screw holes on the top of the plate, so there probably isn't screws holding the case top on. It should just be clips in the front and back.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 23 November 2013, 21:51:35
Quote from: weenis on Fri, 21 September 2012, 09:41:10
Quote from: laffindude on Fri, 21 September 2012, 03:03:16
108 key is called One. Oni is the 87k version.
The Oni I have has an Aluminum plate on the back, says "One"-

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Here are some more pictures-

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Each of the keys does have a pretty aggressive stem on the back, I'm probably going to use a hobby knife and cut it off-

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I will be modding it this weekend for detachable cable.

Apologies for resurrecting but this thread has photos of the ONI space bar vs Leopoldo. Fc220. But it doesn't look like they are the same length or probably it's the angle of the camera. Does this also looked standard 6.25 space bar to you?
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: weenis on Sat, 23 November 2013, 22:17:19
They are the same length.
Title: Re: KBTalking ONI 87 and/or 108
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 23 November 2013, 22:31:18
Thanks weenis, didn't realize you are still here. Have you replace the Poker ONI with SP key caps? I'm planning to buy it to fit the Round 4 and Round 5 SP spherical caps but I worry the ONI is not standard especially the space bar. I don't want to buy a board that I can't install the caps.