I have tried both. I prefer 12mm profile better because in the world we live in, 12mm is healthier.
12mm profile allows u to install crashpads or O-rings while still maintaining a long travel stroke.
Until someone invents the same thing for those short 6mm Cherry lowrider keycaps, the 12mm profile will continue to be healthier. According to what I have read it is not mechanically possible to invent something for the short 6mm keycaps, there is just no room, you end up drastically reducing the travel distance.
Well it depend what Leopold you are talking. Only the newer 700 which are still not widely available have more like Cherry profile, the older series have the tall profile key.
Cherry designed them that way for reason, they are simply the best on their switch. End of the story. 'OEM' key are also poorer quality, so they loose again.
So the 3 main keycap heights are
6mm Cherry
8mm Signature Plastics (but they also make the other heights as well)
12mm Used by many companies.
I thought Cherry profile are 10mm no?10mm isn't so bad. I actually didn't like the feel of OEM profile with o-rings though, so I don't know. I hope to get a set of cherry/SP profile's at some point just so I can see if I like them. In the meantime I can only really replace the number and F-row keys (because I don't think the profile on those matters as much).
According to the 3rd picture this look like 10mm http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=cds_redesc
Also it seems that again people prefer Cherry profile by a landslide. I guess I'll give another update when I get mine :P
Being a buckling spring guy, I've always preferred the look of the taller keys. However the difference is really small. Take a look at row 5 on a Vortex Race. Now that's tall!
What are called "OEM" around here, the kind you find on so many keyboards, do have a different feel compared real Cherry DS caps. Personally, I feel that the difference largely comes from the texture and thickness of the plastic. "OEM" caps usually have a smooth surface and thin walls, whereas Cherry caps are textured (at least they start that way) and are quite thick. "OEM" caps themselves also vary. For example, the WASD I am typing on now has the exact same profile caps as the QFR next to it. Even the molding marks under the caps are the same. Yet the WASD has thicker caps than the QFR (~1.1mm vs ~0.80mm) and the feel and sound difference is noticeable. Add o-rings and the sound and feel change again.
So it's hard to say which is better. I definitely prefer Cherry DS caps over the QFR caps. But thicker WASD or Filco caps with o-rings? I dunno...the difference is more subtle and so I can more easily ignore it.
6mm is what I read on some keycap website somewhere (probably more than 1). And I saw pics that made that measurement sound about right (assuming the height of the other keycaps was given its true height).
The thing to remember is you can't judge these things by looking at one side of one key.
The profiles we are discussing in this thread are not logical scientific profiles. They are screwball profiles. Every row of keys is a different height. Every row is a different shape. Every row is a different angle. That is why I said the so-called OEM keycaps are "about 11.8mm" because every row is different and the measurement used is just some kind of average.
How do u even judge the height? The height of any 1 keycap is totally different in screwball profile depending if you measure the front of the keycap or the back of the keycap. Some rows have a slight difference, other rows have quite a pronounced difference in height from once side to the other. Its crazy.
I am trying to front-print keys and every row has a different amount of space on the front of the key. Its annoying.
Makes perfect sense to me. I never understood how Cherry profile could be 6mm shorter than "OEM Profile". It never made sense to me. I guess the Internetz fooled me. :))6mm is what I read on some keycap website somewhere (probably more than 1). And I saw pics that made that measurement sound about right (assuming the height of the other keycaps was given its true height).
The thing to remember is you can't judge these things by looking at one side of one key.
The profiles we are discussing in this thread are not logical scientific profiles. They are screwball profiles. Every row of keys is a different height. Every row is a different shape. Every row is a different angle. That is why I said the so-called OEM keycaps are "about 11.8mm" because every row is different and the measurement used is just some kind of average.
How do u even judge the height? The height of any 1 keycap is totally different in screwball profile depending if you measure the front of the keycap or the back of the keycap. Some rows have a slight difference, other rows have quite a pronounced difference in height from once side to the other. Its crazy.
I am trying to front-print keys and every row has a different amount of space on the front of the key. Its annoying.
Yeah, they're all curved..but the 12mm is based on the highest part of the ESC key row on OEM so the only logical comparison would be the same key, same measured part which is 10mm on the Cherry row.
I think across the board, they're all about 2mm shorter...
Hi. I was thinking of buying some key caps from WASD for my QFR.
So they are exactly the same, only thing is they are thicker? So when you typing, I'm guessing the sound of them are a bit lower or sth like that?
Would you consider putting o-rings on them?
Hi. I was thinking of buying some key caps from WASD for my QFR.
So they are exactly the same, only thing is they are thicker? So when you typing, I'm guessing the sound of them are a bit lower or sth like that?
Would you consider putting o-rings on them?
They appear to be exactly the same profile, shape, and texture to me. That's why novelty caps from WASD are right at home on a keyboard with these "OEM" caps (unlike the SP DS caps, which are more like Cherry).
The sound depends a lot on the switch and a bit on the mount style (plate vs PCB) and also the keyboard case and feet. Also, the feel of the cap as your finger comes in contact. For example, the loud snap of a blue switch resonates the cap differently than the lego-like clack when you bottom out on any cherry switch. In my comparison, the QFR and the WASD V1 both have reds. So I am referring to the bottom-out noise and the finger-feel. The QFR cap, especially the extra red W-A-S-D keys, have a very light plasticy feeling to them. My other QFR with greens really brings out the hollow sound of the thin key cap. The WASD are less hollow and light feeling.
I have o-rings on a different cap set for the WASD V1. I really like o-rings on reds. It makes the keyboard about as quiet as Cherry MX can get. The slight bounce at the bottom feels nice with the soft spring and slightly-reduced travel.
Hi. I was thinking of buying some key caps from WASD for my QFR.
So they are exactly the same, only thing is they are thicker? So when you typing, I'm guessing the sound of them are a bit lower or sth like that?
Would you consider putting o-rings on them?
They appear to be exactly the same profile, shape, and texture to me. That's why novelty caps from WASD are right at home on a keyboard with these "OEM" caps (unlike the SP DS caps, which are more like Cherry).
The sound depends a lot on the switch and a bit on the mount style (plate vs PCB) and also the keyboard case and feet. Also, the feel of the cap as your finger comes in contact. For example, the loud snap of a blue switch resonates the cap differently than the lego-like clack when you bottom out on any cherry switch. In my comparison, the QFR and the WASD V1 both have reds. So I am referring to the bottom-out noise and the finger-feel. The QFR cap, especially the extra red W-A-S-D keys, have a very light plasticy feeling to them. My other QFR with greens really brings out the hollow sound of the thin key cap. The WASD are less hollow and light feeling.
I have o-rings on a different cap set for the WASD V1. I really like o-rings on reds. It makes the keyboard about as quiet as Cherry MX can get. The slight bounce at the bottom feels nice with the soft spring and slightly-reduced travel.
OK. So to sum up - would you say that QFR with WASD caps is better then original caps from CM? Overall....
Hi. I was thinking of buying some key caps from WASD for my QFR.
So they are exactly the same, only thing is they are thicker? So when you typing, I'm guessing the sound of them are a bit lower or sth like that?
Would you consider putting o-rings on them?
They appear to be exactly the same profile, shape, and texture to me. That's why novelty caps from WASD are right at home on a keyboard with these "OEM" caps (unlike the SP DS caps, which are more like Cherry).
The sound depends a lot on the switch and a bit on the mount style (plate vs PCB) and also the keyboard case and feet. Also, the feel of the cap as your finger comes in contact. For example, the loud snap of a blue switch resonates the cap differently than the lego-like clack when you bottom out on any cherry switch. In my comparison, the QFR and the WASD V1 both have reds. So I am referring to the bottom-out noise and the finger-feel. The QFR cap, especially the extra red W-A-S-D keys, have a very light plasticy feeling to them. My other QFR with greens really brings out the hollow sound of the thin key cap. The WASD are less hollow and light feeling.
I have o-rings on a different cap set for the WASD V1. I really like o-rings on reds. It makes the keyboard about as quiet as Cherry MX can get. The slight bounce at the bottom feels nice with the soft spring and slightly-reduced travel.
OK. So to sum up - would you say that QFR with WASD caps is better then original caps from CM? Overall....
They should be a small improvement, but it won't be huge. I wouldn't buy a set of WASD caps for just that reason.
I'm not sure what you mean by retro, but you are looking for a traditional 80s look and nice feel, you might consider one of feng's sets. They are thick PBT and the "WYSE" set has a retro-80s look:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37999.0
6mm is what I read on some keycap website somewhere (probably more than 1). And I saw pics that made that measurement sound about right (assuming the height of the other keycaps was given its true height).
The thing to remember is you can't judge these things by looking at one side of one key.
The profiles we are discussing in this thread are not logical scientific profiles. They are screwball profiles. Every row of keys is a different height. Every row is a different shape. Every row is a different angle. That is why I said the so-called OEM keycaps are "about 11.8mm" because every row is different and the measurement used is just some kind of average.
How do u even judge the height? The height of any 1 keycap is totally different in screwball profile depending if you measure the front of the keycap or the back of the keycap. Some rows have a slight difference, other rows have quite a pronounced difference in height from once side to the other. Its crazy.
I am trying to front-print keys and every row has a different amount of space on the front of the key. Its annoying.
Yeah, they're all curved..but the 12mm is based on the highest part of the ESC key row on OEM so the only logical comparison would be the same key, same measured part which is 10mm on the Cherry row.
I think across the board, they're all about 2mm shorter...
Anyone wants to measure the height of an SP or OEM keycap from ASDF row?front height of oem caps-lock in the middle: 7.0mm
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zZeiW.jpg)
This particular scheme is available right now. Keep an eye on this thread:
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-ds-ansi-keys-first-round3-sets-available-t568.html
thanks for the great info, rknize, lysolThis particular scheme is available right now. Keep an eye on this thread:
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/cherry-ds-ansi-keys-first-round3-sets-available-t568.html
i'd really like a new set and the new ones there are a bit above my price point (though i understand the price, of course)
most likely i will wait on the group buy
I'm not sure what you mean by retro, but you are looking for a traditional 80s look and nice feel, you might consider one of feng's sets. They are thick PBT and the "WYSE" set has a retro-80s look:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37999.0
I would prefer colors like these beige sets:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zZeiW.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rnQSh.jpg)
is the one with the blue print on two shades of grey your pic? if so where did those caps come from?
or thisShow Image(http://forums.bit-tech.net/picture.php?albumid=681&pictureid=31553)
That WYSE has grey/white, when I would prefer beige/white sets:(
Plus I need UK ISO set...