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Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 07:53:15
universal spherical retro kit :)

Wondering if there's interest in a Signature Plastics DSA Spherical keycaps kit.

Compatible keyboards
The keys are all on the same profile, you can mix and match them in any way to obtain a variety of layouts such as:
What's inside
(http://i.imgur.com/EJEjY6V.png)

ABS, double shot, colors similar to C64 or retro style anyway. All standard legends to keep price low.

Please help me refine the additional keys, I certainly missed something. I'm uncertain if the number and coloring of blank and mod keys are correct.

What you can buy
The kit is split in 3:
1) standard TKL (approx: $60)
2) 10key numpad (approx: $12)
3) all the other keys (approx: I don't know yet!)

I'd like to order at least 50 sets

If we miss a tier by few samples I'd fill the remaining.

How does DSA look like?
DSA keys are not the "standard" keys you are used to. They have a spherical top, they are slightly shorter and they are all on the same angle (ie: you can relocate keys anywhere).

Here's a comparison
(http://i.imgur.com/yYDiWHg.jpg)

Color
At the moment the preferred color scheme is WHITE ON COFFEE. The dark brown should be close to the following.

Just for color reference! The keys will be DSA spherical!
(http://deskthority.net/resources/gorgeous-colour-scheme/3876)

I'm evaluating adding some special keys in the same red showed in the photo.

But it's not written in stone. I accept suggestions in this regard.

Special keys anyone?
Would you be interested in a small number of custom keys?! (for esc, mods, arrows, etc) Keyboard would be fancier, but price would rise quite a bit of course.

Various notes
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: boost on Fri, 25 January 2013, 08:29:20
Count me in for a set.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 January 2013, 08:37:01
That spherical on the left in your image, is that SA or DSS? I was hoping for those. Do you have an image of the undersides of those 3? At least the taller sphericals (not sure about the DSA) are THICK ABS.

You know I'm in for a set of each kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 08:44:10
That spherical on the left in your image, is that SA or DSS?

Looking at it, it seems a SA row1 (because it is curved on the back), but I could be wrong. Anyway DSA is the only spherical with no angles (ie: swappable keys). Also SA doesn't have standard right shift.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TDub on Fri, 25 January 2013, 09:17:09
Could we get some legends on the ErgoDox keys? I think there was a "default" layout and since all keys are the same height, everyone is still free to switch them around if they don't like the default.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 09:23:15
do you have a "standard" layout, I've found so many... I need ergodox guys support here
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:14:19
Still in for one.

I tried to figure out overlap with R4, but jeez that buy is complicated!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:18:08
I'm also adding colemak to the mix
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Larken on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:24:01
Mark my interest down for 1 ergodox kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:29:47
Like the 1x mods but why only include half of them?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:35:55
Just a heads up: if the space bar is a standard one, it will not fit the Leopold.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:37:13
Just a heads up: if the space bar is a standard one, it will not fit the Leopold.

Y U BUY LEOPOLD? You needs a Filco, son! :P
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:41:48
Like the 1x mods but why only include half of them?

no prob! show me the layout you want to do, and I'll add the missing mods.

Just a heads up: if the space bar is a standard one, it will not fit the Leopold.

sorry, I'm a noob, what's the leopold spacebar size? or does it have a different stems position?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:45:25
Like the 1x mods but why only include half of them?

no prob! show me the layout you want to do, and I'll add the missing mods.

I think he just means you need 2 each of 1x Ctrl, Alt, Win

Just a heads up: if the space bar is a standard one, it will not fit the Leopold.

sorry, I'm a noob, what's the leopold spacebar size? or does it have a different stems position?

Different stem positions. SP has a "Universal" spacebar with 6 stems, but I don't know if they make it in DSA profile.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 10:48:48
Different stem positions. SP has a "Universal" spacebar with 6 stems, but I don't know if they make it in DSA profile.

I'll look into it, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Fri, 25 January 2013, 11:03:14
I'm really interested in this has the color scheme and legend already been decided? If not, I think this would a nice modern interpretation on the classic C-64 keyboard (http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/c64/h/front.jpg).

Clearly I'm w a y too new to know what I'm talking about, but if you did the following, I couldn't buy these fast enough:

1. Use centered legends like 7bit's Round 3 style (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4_Round3)

2. Switch the Grey modifiers to a cream, making this more a Coffee n Cream set, or make it an additional option in the group buy.

3. Include an R4 and/or R1 modifier Commodore Key (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_Replacements_Round_4#COMMODORE_.28Commodore_keys.29)

Just a few thoughts from a newb, but I'm drooling just thinking about it.  :p

Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 11:36:06
Thansk for your great feedback mashby

I'm really interested in this has the color scheme and legend already been decided? If not, I think this would a nice modern interpretation on the classic C-64 keyboard (http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/c64/h/front.jpg).

No, they are not decided yet. The idea is to go as close as ABS permit to the color scheme you linked.

1. Use centered legends like 7bit's Round 3 style (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4_Round3)

If we can do that with minimal impact on pricing, it's a go for me.

2. Switch the Grey modifiers to a cream, making this more a Coffee n Cream set, or make it an additional option in the group buy.

That's a nice idea. I'll check the ABS colors, I also requested a color ring from SP.

3. Include an R4 and/or R1 modifier Commodore Key (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_Replacements_Round_4#COMMODORE_.28Commodore_keys.29)

There are no rows in DSA! You can place it wherever you want! (that's the cool part of this GB). That being said, I don't want to push the price too high. If there's enough interest we can make the custom keys, otherwise we'll stick with defaults.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Fri, 25 January 2013, 11:57:10
Thansk for your great feedback mashby

So glad that I was helpful and thrilled that my ideas weren't stupid.

That being said, I don't want to push the price too high. If there's enough interest we can make the custom keys, otherwise we'll stick with defaults.

Agreed. Maybe it could done as a Vendor Pack like what's being done for the Toxic set. KeyPop already has a vendor key that I think would fit in nicely to the set. link (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36743.msg755003#msg755003).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: r3dx on Fri, 25 January 2013, 14:41:31
Although I think this would be a really cool coffee and cream set, I'm still really digging the crazy vintage white on blue from the IBM typewriter from the previous thread. Either way, I'll probably go in for a set, decisions, decisions...  :confused:

(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/1232/andrewsibm.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 25 January 2013, 16:33:27
I guess we should make a poll about color scheme. being keys swappable maybe it would be cleverer to use just one color for both alpha and mods. thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: pasph on Fri, 25 January 2013, 16:59:10
You could also add a modifiers pack in alternate color
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Fri, 25 January 2013, 17:00:25
I guess we should make a poll about color scheme. being keys swappable maybe it would be cleverer to use just one color for both alpha and mods. thoughts?

This may add a higher level of complexity to the group buy, but I think having a base set that is one color and then offering a modifier set as an add-on works really well. It's simple and you order the sets you want. If you just want it all one color, just order the base set.

Danielucf has done his Toxic Set (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38241.msg738062#msg738062) group buy and I would imagine it makes keeping up with people's orders a much easier affair. A more advanced order would be something like tjcaustin's Klaxon RA 2.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37225.0) group buy. Tons of options and colors, but much more difficult to manage.

I would like the option of having a different modifier color, so I would simply order the base set and the modifier set, oh and the vendor set.  :p

Just my two cents.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: r3dx on Fri, 25 January 2013, 17:48:16
Sorry if I complicated things  :-[ I clicked on a link from the other thread and was surprised that the color scheme changed, but I think if we either put it to a vote or offered up some kind of color package that'd be awesome.  ;D Plus this type of key set doesn't seem like it's made too often so it would be awesome to pretty much get two sets from one buy. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: KuhnTang on Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:02:00
Why am I interested in EVERYTHING on this stupid site?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:25:22
Why am I interested in EVERYTHING on this stupid site?

Welcome to Geekhack! :D
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:30:09
You mean welcome to wallethack.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:40:23
You mean welcome to wallethack.

Yes, of course. "Welcome to WalletHack. You are now poor."
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: oluf on Fri, 25 January 2013, 18:53:04
This set looks awesome... /me wants!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 01:40:23
As much as I like options, a modifier pack for this set would be pretty huge (standard mods+all variants). The alternative would be to make the set extremely granular but I don't want to make dozens of options. This is not a set for everyone it won't sell like toxic, if we split it in to many options we risk of failing to meet a decent tier.

Anyway I'll try to have SP make some quotes for us.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 04:11:08
Different stem positions. SP has a "Universal" spacebar with 6 stems, but I don't know if they make it in DSA profile.

okay I checked this. There's no 6.25 in DSA, so we are back to DSC for all the spacebars (except 6 and 8 units which are pretty useless I believe). So if standard DSC has 6 stems it should work for leopold as well, right?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 26 January 2013, 07:59:38
Different stem positions. SP has a "Universal" spacebar with 6 stems, but I don't know if they make it in DSA profile.

okay I checked this. There's no 6.25 in DSA, so we are back to DSC for all the spacebars (except 6 and 8 units which are pretty useless I believe). So if standard DSC has 6 stems it should work for leopold as well, right?

Yes, the 6-stem 6.25-unit DCS profile spacebar is compatible with the Leopold FC200R. FC500R and FC700R owners are just SOL, but they already know that. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 08:50:31
Colors
Okay color options. Cast your vote or I'll pick it for you :P

If we receive enough interest we could do 2 colors (one for keys, one for mods) otherwise we stick with one color scheme.

white on coffee or cream on coffee (original c64 idea)
(http://i.imgur.com/MzTWxxq.jpg)
mods might be white on grey (C64) or coffee on cream

Coffee on cream
(http://i.imgur.com/slxyxqo.jpg)
mods cream on coffee

off white on blue
(http://i.imgur.com/EmWigok.jpg)
mods might be off white on charcoal

white on pebble
(http://i.imgur.com/H03oHkc.jpg)
mods might be simply darker

(please don't look at key shape, just color)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: pasph on Sat, 26 January 2013, 08:53:40
Coffee on cream, mods cream on coffee
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Glod on Sat, 26 January 2013, 09:10:29
i like the white on blue with the modifiers you describe but i'm down for any of the colors. if there ends up being an ergodox add on, you are a hero.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 09:36:53
i like the white on blue with the modifiers you describe but i'm down for any of the colors. if there ends up being an ergodox add on, you are a hero.

ergodox is already 100% in. I just need ergodox guys' help to refine keys and mods
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 26 January 2013, 09:40:49
white on pebble

but idk if I have anything that it would look good with so off white on blue?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sat, 26 January 2013, 09:48:23
 :eek: W O W  :eek:

I actually like them all, but if I had to choose just one, it'd have to be C=64 (coffee & cream).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 26 January 2013, 09:52:21
for the EDOX I would just do the letter and punctuation because everything else wil be different depending on someones layout. I as I found out when I made my layout.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 09:57:29
edox letters and punctuation should be already there, right? maybe we miss "Y" 1.5? I really don't have a clue how that layout works :)

I'll place the edox mods all blanks, unless someone suggests a different layout.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 26 January 2013, 10:07:12
edox letters and punctuation should be already there, right? maybe we miss "Y" 1.5? I really don't have a clue how that layout works :)

I'll place the edox mods all blanks, unless someone suggests a different layout.


Perhaps re-legendable keycaps?


 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 26 January 2013, 10:08:24
my EDox layout, like by standard keyboard users, no so like by those used to ergo keyboards


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/TheProfosist/GeekHack/GH-sub-mine/ErgoDoxProfv11_zpsd5059e37.png)
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 26 January 2013, 10:12:12
My vote is for white or cream on brown, like original C64. Same color mods, no inverse.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Larken on Sat, 26 January 2013, 10:16:25
a vote for ergodox mods to be blanks; I'm guessing everyone is going for slightly different layouts given the nature of the board.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 11:28:36
Perhaps re-legendable keycaps?

all of them?! wow, that would be something :) relegendable are only 1 unit anyway.

my EDox layout, like by standard keyboard users, no so like by those used to ergo keyboards

thanks prof, I'll double check the ergodox layout, I'll remove the legend from the 1.5 shifts and you should be good to go.

Is there interest for a colemak kit? nubbed E and N and un-nubbed F and J. And Neo layout?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: epicsilas on Sat, 26 January 2013, 14:40:37
White on pebble!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sat, 26 January 2013, 15:58:36
If we receive enough interest we could do 2 colors (one for keys, one for mods) otherwise we stick with one color scheme.

I like how everything is in one set and not broken out in the OP, but I have a question regarding the colors.

If you had two sets of modifiers included in the GB, one in each color, how does that affect the price? I understand that more keys will mean the set is more expensive, but does the alternate color also drive up the manufacturing cost substantially? I am truly asking out of ignorance.  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: merijn on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:05:57
I'd love it white on blue!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:32:06
I like how everything is in one set and not broken out in the OP, but I have a question regarding the colors.

If you had two sets of modifiers included in the GB, one in each color, how does that affect the price? I understand that more keys will mean the set is more expensive, but does the alternate color also drive up the manufacturing cost substantially? I am truly asking out of ignorance.  :-[

priority is to keep price low. I believe the white on brown set is cool enough to sell by itself, same goes for the white on blue. I'm updating the original post all in one color for now. Monday I'll ask SP for a quote, 1 tone and 2 tones and we'll know better. In the mean time have a look at this picture posted on deskthority

(http://deskthority.net/resources/gorgeous-colour-scheme/3876)

how cool is that? :) I'd even add a red/burgundy ESC key :)

So far coffee and blue are the preferred colors. it will be tough to pick one of the two.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: oluf on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:39:11
So far coffee and blue are the preferred colors. it will be tough to pick one of the two.

That looks delicious! =)

My vote is for coffee.. I think the coffee base will look great w/ blue R4 SPH mods. ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:43:37
My vote is for coffee.. I think the coffee base will look great w/ blue R4 SPH mods. ;D

R4 SPH is on SA family. this is on DSA, they do not line up very well together (SA is very tall).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: oluf on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:46:53
My vote is for coffee.. I think the coffee base will look great w/ blue R4 SPH mods. ;D

R4 SPH is on SA family. this is on DSA, they do not line up very well together (SA is very tall).

Aww schucks.. I missed that.. At any rate, I do love the c64/Chocolate look.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sat, 26 January 2013, 16:51:02
how cool is that? :) I'd even add a red/burgundy ESC key :)

So far coffee and blue are the preferred colors. it will be tough to pick one of the two.

OK, that looks amazing.

And you're right about choosing the color, that's going to be hard.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: telepete on Sat, 26 January 2013, 17:01:38
Oh man. In if its brown. So nice!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: McWilloughby on Sat, 26 January 2013, 17:20:08
Interested for the shape.. depends on the price in the end.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 26 January 2013, 17:24:42
White on Coffee is definitely worth my vote.  Besides I have almost every other colour but Coffee/Brown.

Also White on Pebble looks nice as well.  I love the OLD-style colours from ancient terminals/typewriters.  Please let us know when it will become an official Group Buy.

Very little of any available Spherical Key-caps are designed and sold here on Geekhack, as much as I love OEM's and Cherry key-sets, having a complete old-style set of caps will really make any keyboard standout.

Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 26 January 2013, 18:20:33
I like how everything is in one set and not broken out in the OP, but I have a question regarding the colors.

If you had two sets of modifiers included in the GB, one in each color, how does that affect the price? I understand that more keys will mean the set is more expensive, but does the alternate color also drive up the manufacturing cost substantially? I am truly asking out of ignorance.  :-[

priority is to keep price low. I believe the white on brown set is cool enough to sell by itself, same goes for the white on blue. I'm updating the original post all in one color for now. Monday I'll ask SP for a quote, 1 tone and 2 tones and we'll know better. In the mean time have a look at this picture posted on deskthority

Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/resources/gorgeous-colour-scheme/3876)


how cool is that? :) I'd even add a red/burgundy ESC key :)

So far coffee and blue are the preferred colors. it will be tough to pick one of the two.
i want a all red set like that!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 26 January 2013, 19:29:45
Matt30, I know there is no talk yet about what keyboards you want this upcoming key-set to fit into, but can I make a plead for any G80-1800 owners?

I would love a complete Coffee and Cream set for my G80-1865 keyboard.  It's a pain due to having a non-standard space-bar size and Alt, Ctrl, Menu and Windows keys hence we miss out on 99% of any Group Buy Key-sets.

Because this spherical set would make the G80-1865 Cherry look really - Beautiful.  ;)   Plus I have always loved the G80-1800 series it's almost a sick-type of fantasy with me.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 26 January 2013, 19:53:38
Colors
Okay color options. Cast your vote or I'll pick it for you :P

If we receive enough interest we could do 2 colors (one for keys, one for mods) otherwise we stick with one color scheme.

white on coffee or cream on coffee (original c64 idea)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/MzTWxxq.jpg)

mods might be white on grey (C64) or coffee on cream

Coffee on cream
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/slxyxqo.jpg)

mods cream on coffee

off white on blue
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/EmWigok.jpg)

mods might be off white on charcoal

white on pebble
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/H03oHkc.jpg)

mods might be simply darker

(please don't look at key shape, just color)

I'm loving these ideas!  I've been waiting for a DSA set for a long time.  And the Brown and Cream is a great combo.  I will definitely buy a set of this.  Fire up the order form!

Just to add more spice to the pot, SP also has a super dark brown that is really nice as well.  Some call it chocolate brown.  I'd need an SP color fob chain to get the three-letter code though. 
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Sat, 26 January 2013, 20:44:58
Since SPH in R4 is already blue, I'd recommend the coffee and cream for this.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 26 January 2013, 21:24:46
one thing you may want to keep in mind is that DSA spacebars are a possible alternative to the DCS bars that people don't like the angle of. the spherical edges of the DSA space are pretty minimal (compared to SA), and the angle is basically 0, so no more sharp stabby spacebars -- in fact they mesh with DCS sets reasonable well. just something to keep in mind.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 January 2013, 01:35:15
Matt30, I know there is no talk yet about what keyboards you want this upcoming key-set to fit into, but can I make a plead for any G80-1800 owners?

is G80-1800 spacebar 7units? and G80-1865 6? I'm going to add the 6unit spacebar anyway because it's the only DSA spacebar available.
Problem is I don't know if they have a left stem caps yet.

Because this spherical set would make the G80-1865 Cherry

I believe we just miss the 1unit alt/ctrl/win for that.

Just to add more spice to the pot, SP also has a super dark brown that is really nice as well.  Some call it chocolate brown.  I'd need an SP color fob chain to get the three-letter code though.

Isn't it this?

(http://i.imgur.com/ZExwJKC.jpg)

but I can't read the code.

Since SPH in R4 is already blue, I'd recommend the coffee and cream for this.

I tend to agree, but consider that R4 SPH is not DSA family.

one thing you may want to keep in mind is that DSA spacebars are a possible alternative to the DCS bars that people don't like the angle of. the spherical edges of the DSA space are pretty minimal (compared to SA), and the angle is basically 0, so no more sharp stabby spacebars -- in fact they mesh with DCS sets reasonable well. just something to keep in mind.

Unfortunately in DSA we just have 6 and 8 units spacebars though
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Marclgw on Sun, 27 January 2013, 03:49:32
SA profile should look good just that they would not fit well in the rows due to the size.


Will be in, any other scheme available?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:21:02

is G80-1800 spacebar 7units? and G80-1865 6? I'm going to add the 6unit spacebar anyway because it's the only DSA spacebar available.
Problem is I don't know if they have a left stem caps yet. 

On the back of the spacer-bar there are three MX stubs (don't know what to call them really), where you insert them unto the Cherry switches.  Although this is the traditional Cherry style of including the center stub nearer to the left side of the space-bar (when looking at it directly) when you flip the space-bar over.  The space-bar for the G80-1865 measures in at exactly 113mm at the base length.  Hence it definitely is on the non-standard list.

Because this spherical set would make the G80-1865 Cherry

I believe we just miss the 1unit alt/ctrl/win for that.


If it won't be made can you include any extra 1 Unit keys (total 7 required) with non-descript logo's / shapes, that could be filled within the lower part of the 1865 keyboard?  I've seen a number of extra keys being designed and made by SP to go with numerous Group Buy sets over the years here on Geekhack.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:30:45
I've updated the original post with the new layout. I've been asked to add 6 1.5units mods on desktorithy too, so I added them and reduced the number of 1.0 blank keys.

More questions:
- I received only 1 request for colemak kit. Really? No one?
- Left stem caps and iso enter will be DCS, we don't have them in DSA. Do you think we should include them?
- Should I replace 1 blank with 'FN'?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mikelanding on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:38:01
Put me 1 set for Ergodox. qwerty, C64, same color scheme. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 27 January 2013, 05:42:44
I've updated the original post with the new layout. I've been asked to add 6 1.5units mods on desktorithy too, so I added them and reduced the number of 1.0 blank keys.

BRILLIANT......thank you Matt3o.  I think this will be the first time I may be able to cover the whole G80-1865 with 'newer' old-style spherical KEYS. 
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 27 January 2013, 11:44:28
It appears I never specified explicitly, but I am very much in favor of/prefer/voting for the BLUE option.

Regardless, I'm in for a set.  Also, I've purchased some of these keys from SP inventory and people should be aware that:
1) They are very short and,
2) The clear-top re-legendable keycaps look really nice, and can be whatever legend you and your ink-jet printer can produce.  They have a clear top that covers the legend, so durability is not an issue.  All that is required is a color-matched base; SP has loads of 1x tops (80,912) in this profile.

I keep banging the re-legendable keycap drum because it solves all of the "can I get this special legend?" questions.  And because the profile here is flat, there is no problem if one person wants to add a VolUp keycap to the top row and another wants to add an Fn keycap to the bottom row.  A single 1x re-legendable keycap would satisfy both people.

This addition/change would reduce the size and cost of the modder pack, since 60%, 75%, WKL and Ergodox users could all use the same extra keys.  It might even be able to cover the Race, although that is perhaps too special a layout.

I have some deployed on a couple of keyboards; I'll take some pix and post them here.

(http://keycapsdirect.com/images/faq/Relegendables.jpg)
DSA Re-legendable 1x is on the right in this image from http://keycapsdirect.com (http://keycapsdirect.com).

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 January 2013, 14:10:45
1) They are very short and,

Indeed they are short, but DCS family ROW2 is 0.248 height and DSA are 0.291. They are the shortest of the the sphericals, but not low profile.

2) The clear-top re-legendable keycaps look really nice, and can be whatever legend you and your ink-jet printer can produce.  They have a clear top that covers the legend, so durability is not an issue.  All that is required is a color-matched base; SP has loads of 1x tops (80,912) in this profile.

I agree that relegendable keys are useful and I'm definitely going to add at least 3 of them to the mix. It can be definitely a nice touch and we could even provide an official "print-o-legend" page ready to be printed :) If there's interest for more than 3 of them we could add a forth kit with a set of 10 relegendables.

Regarding color, blue and coffee received both quite a few of interest, but being R4 blue... Anyway there's still time to decide. Probably end of next week I'll start the group buy if we finalize the layout.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 27 January 2013, 15:02:01
Full set of relegendables for the EDox?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 January 2013, 15:04:45
Full set of relegendables for the EDox?

:eek:
Title: Re: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 27 January 2013, 15:15:33
Full set of relegendables for the EDox?

:eek:
what its would be the best option for everyone since they could print everthing out exactly and even have their Fn layers on the caps then.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 27 January 2013, 16:50:32
what its would be the best option for everyone since they could print everthing out exactly and even have their Fn layers on the caps then.

if there's interest I can make an option for the relegendable keys.


You are saying that these are very short?  Are you saying they are so short that you can't use o-rings on them?  Any other problems with them being that short?
they are as short as standard DCS row2 (actually slightly taller)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 27 January 2013, 17:51:21
Sorry, by "short" I meant low-profile. They are completely normal under the skirts. ;)

Also, there are not any R4 blue spherical alpha sets left, so if this buy went blue we wouldn't interfere. (Although the R4 'caps replicated that IBM typewriter very well.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Sun, 27 January 2013, 18:21:39
They would interfere insofar as I would likely not get a set with R4 on the way.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 27 January 2013, 18:56:44
I'd be very interested in a blue set for my ErgoDox.
For me a smaller number of re-legendable would be enough.
Would this re-legendable option be possible for the 1.5 keys too?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 27 January 2013, 23:02:30
Haven't checked this thread in a while... What happened to the mods?  Now it's all one color?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 27 January 2013, 23:27:01
I checked the layout of the Ergodox with the "official" image of Massdrop, attached below.
With the normal kit1 plus kit3, the following keys are missing (all 1x1):
As those are exactly 3 keys, they can be covered by the additional blank keys in the top left of the kit3 section.
So basically, with kit1 and kit3 you can have the "official" layout covered quite well!

Personally, I would like to see some few more blank keys of the size 1x1 for the Ergodox because I plan to change my layout to include the Germanic umlauts. This would need 3 more blank keys.

Of course, I could use some F keys for that, but I'd rather have blanks.
I also guess that I'm not the only one who wants to mess with the layout a bit, so some more 1x1 blanks would be cool!  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 27 January 2013, 23:50:18
I don't even know why the arrows are on both hands like that.  Use blanks and remap them, and thenumlock is available on kit2
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 27 January 2013, 23:54:22
Buying the whole kit2 for one key seems a bit too much, which is why I suggested to use the three blanks for the numlock as well as the two arrow keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:08:19
U know what fixes all ergo dox issues? Rekegendables
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:48:35
Also, there are not any R4 blue spherical alpha sets left, so if this buy went blue we wouldn't interfere. (Although the R4 'caps replicated that IBM typewriter very well.)

also R4 are SA not DSA, so there's absolutely no collision... but if someone already got a blue spherical wouldn't be very happy to get another blue spherical...

Haven't checked this thread in a while... What happened to the mods?  Now it's all one color?

We are waiting for a quote from SP. Depending on the price difference we might add more colors.

I checked the layout of the Ergodox with the "official" image of Massdrop, attached below.
With the normal kit1 plus kit3, the following keys are missing (all 1x1):
  • Numlock
  • Arrow left
  • Arrow right

thanks for checking. I would say that ergodox is covered. My suggestion would be to get all the 3 kits so you are also helping to lower the numpad price. If that's not an option, go for blank keys. We are also adding 3 relegendable keys, so you could use them for language specific letters.

U know what fixes all ergo dox issues? Rekegendables

Having a whole set of relegendable goes a bit off the purpose of the GB I believe. I mean, the color of the keys has lower relevance in a relegendable (and no legend of course). You could just buy them directly from SP (they should be $1 per key, right?). A group buy would definitely lower the price, but are we really going to sell more than 25 (to get a real discount)? Anyway, like I said if there's interest I see no issue at adding a kit 4 with relegendables.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:04:21
GH/DT aggregated color preference so far (1 point for first preference, 1/2 vote for second preference):

1) Cream on Coffee 9 votes
2) White on Blue 8 votes
3) Coffee on Cream 4
4) White on Pebble 1

coffee and blue are very close, but being R4 SHP also blue I'd like to make this coffee. Anyway, voting is still open, anything could happen :) (go Pebble go!)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: KuhnTang on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:05:47
What color is pebble?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:06:45
Thanks for the feedback and your efforts! If a few relegendables are added, I would be totally satisfied! :)

Also, if the blue set and also different modifier-color would become a reality, I would suggest the modifiers to be just the opposite, blue on off-white. That would fit nicely with the PCB color of the Ergodox! ;)

Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: KuhnTang on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:09:43
NVM, I found it.  I don't see the appeal of the pebble.  It looks old.  I do however like the WoB.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:09:45
What color is pebble?

All colors are listed here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39603.msg779044#msg779044 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39603.msg779044#msg779044)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:10:54
What color is pebble?

(http://i.imgur.com/H03oHkc.jpg)

yeah I've never heard of it before entering the keyboard business :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 28 January 2013, 06:46:00
Me for cream on coffee.
Second choice is white on pebble.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 06:50:44
I just thought... the ergodox kit would be composed of all spherical caps, don't know how they feel on your thumbs (maybe a solution might be to make them DCS)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: gilgam on Mon, 28 January 2013, 11:30:40
thumbs on spherical dsa is not bad at all.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 13:32:06
We've got pricing!

This is for the full 140 keys set. We can split of course, but this gives you an idea where we are going. I believe the TKL alone in the 25/50 tier is $55/60.

Code: [Select]
10 sets $209.37 per set
25 sets $123.66 per set
50 sets $95.09 per set
75 sets $85.57 per set
100 sets        $80.81 per set
150 sets        $76.05 per set
200 sets        $73.66 per set
250 sets        $72.24 per set

Important: pricing includes collating charges!

Good new is that having mods in a second color doesn't impact on pricing. So we just have to decide if we really want a 2 colors scheme or not.

Lastly to have custom keys it's $45 one time + few bucks per key per set. So basically 1 custom key at 50 tier would cost approx $2.37 per set. Do we want some?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Binge on Mon, 28 January 2013, 15:41:36
These will be available for my typing pleasure tomorrow?  Yes??

Consider this my interest.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:10:00
Lastly to have custom keys it's $45 one time + few bucks per key per set. So basically 1 custom key at 50 tier would cost approx $2.37 per set. Do we want some?

Personally, if we can include two Commodore Keys (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_Replacements_Round_4#COMMODORE_.28Commodore_keys.29) for folks to substitute the WinKey (or any key for that matter), I think that would be awesome. Anyone else agree?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Lighthouse1 on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:20:07
Lastly to have custom keys it's $45 one time + few bucks per key per set. So basically 1 custom key at 50 tier would cost approx $2.37 per set. Do we want some?

Personally, if we can include two Commodore Keys (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Doubleshot_Replacements_Round_4#COMMODORE_.28Commodore_keys.29) for folks to substitute the WinKey (or any key for that matter), I think that would be awesome. Anyone else agree?

That would be very pretty. And now I want one.

Man this keycap thing is starting to be a problem!

I'd be interested as long as there is an ISO enter and the extra blanks still in as an option.
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:21:19
I'm in for commodore keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 28 January 2013, 16:51:20
I'd like 87 with blank OS keys, plus a 1.75 shift and 3-6 relegendables.

One color, white on blue by preference, white on brown if needed.

The rich SP brown is TGH, which goes really well with the creamy TN.  For White on Blue, I'd suggest WW on BBJ for that old time keyboard look.

I'll scan the chips and add them here.

[attach=1]
They look better in person.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:01:35
Okay guys, Commodore key it is then :) Do you think we should replace all Win keys with a commodore key? maybe that's too much :) We could use the diamond for winkey and have just 1 additional commodore key.

I'd like 87 with blank OS keys, plus a 1.75 shift and 3-6 relegendables.

1.75 shift is already there. I'm going to add 3 relegendables. OS keys diamonds or C64.

The rich SP brown is TGH, which goes really well with the creamy TN.  For White on Blue, I'd suggest WW on BBJ for that old time keyboard look.

I believe that the brown of the sample picture is TBN, TGH is more chocolate. I have no clue about which white to use. The C64 one seems actually pure white (WA?), but we could go slightly off with WCK, WBO, TM, WEA... too many to choose from...

Blues, BBJ seems good I also like BE a lot. I'd use WFK or WA with that, but I have no access to color ring... so.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:07:58
I'm in for commodore keys.

I agree!!  Commodore on the OS key!!

I love you both.  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:14:39
The rich SP brown is TGH, which goes really well with the creamy TN.  For White on Blue, I'd suggest WW on BBJ for that old time keyboard look.

I believe that the brown of the sample picture is TBN, TGH is more chocolate. I have no clue about which white to use. The C64 one seems actually pure white (WA?), but we could go slightly off with WCK, WBO, TM, WEA... too many to choose from...

Blues, BBJ seems good I also like BE a lot. I'd use WFK or WA with that, but I have no access to color ring... so.

Neither ring has a "TBN".  ABS has TGH and TAA, which is so dark as to be black in anything except full sun.  BE is nice, but it looks pretty modern.  WW and WA look good with both blues.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:18:48
Neither ring has a "TBN".  ABS has TGH and TAA, which is so dark as to be black in anything except full sun.  BE is nice, but it looks pretty modern.  WW and WA look good with both blues.

I've found this:

(http://kbdholic.net/img/SP-ABS/abs-01-s.jpg)

to the right of TBT there's TBN that seems pretty nice (Melissa just confirmed that it is available).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Asp on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:38:20
We have not had a good GB with coffee-colored keys as far as I've seen and I think it'd go well with the offwhite Filco. I vote cream on coffee
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:46:16
Now that I look at the ABS colors, I see WBO and WCK very well with TBN, but the most retro effect would be with pure white I believe (WA)

samwisekoi, can you confirm that ABS color ring doesn't have TBN?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 28 January 2013, 18:00:47
We have not had a good GB with coffee-colored keys as far as I've seen and I think it'd go well with the offwhite Filco. I vote cream on coffee

I also think they would look great on a Gray QFR.

Or on a big-ass XT chassis.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 28 January 2013, 18:10:17
I don't know if this helps, but I asked Nokcha what colors KeyPop used for their Coffee edition keycap (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36743.msg755003#msg755003) and she had this to say

TGH/TEA hope that helps :D

She also said earlier in the thread that they should be available in 1-2 weeks, which could also provide us with a sample since I'm going to buy one the instant they are available.  :p

I know it's not the same profile, but it should at least provide proper color samples.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 29 January 2013, 01:33:01
it's very nice but if we really want a C64 style, that brown gotta be darker :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 29 January 2013, 05:50:30
Updated colors preference:

Code: [Select]
#1 Cream on Coffee    13
#2 White on Blue      8
#3 Coffee on Cream    6
#4 White on Pebble    2

I admit that white on blue would have been easier on the eye :) But Cream on Coffee is also good, original and very elegant. I believe we are pretty much settled on that.

The "cream" would be actually very light. Something like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/NDyjZEp.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/TdqQHv5.png)

or this:

(http://i.imgur.com/g29Olt2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lly5eTm.png)

I'm trying more combos, hope someone with a color ring could help me.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 29 January 2013, 11:23:26
To the base color I'm also going to add one full set of mods in a second color. They will be all in a 4th set.

The color combos together with the base brown are shown below. The legends will be for both white (or cream). They all look FANTASTIC! Very hard to choose.

Coffee and Mustard (ouch!)
(http://i.imgur.com/OtEtYdls.png)

Coffee and Plum
(http://i.imgur.com/E6tAVtJs.png)

Best C64 match
(http://i.imgur.com/02rVxORs.png)

Coffee and Mint
(http://i.imgur.com/97M67Jys.png)

Coffee and Smurfs
(http://i.imgur.com/JSSf0tUs.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 29 January 2013, 11:38:59
That plum makes me a little bit tight in the pants...
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 January 2013, 11:53:36
Hehe. Yeah, I could go for some plum mods, as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 29 January 2013, 13:43:33
I'm trying more combos, hope someone with a color ring could help me.

After I asked about the colors I don't have, Melissa told me that color rings are not standard or always complete; they contain various colors "...depending on what is in stock ".

She is going to send me TEA and TBN, but I see I also am missing YW, RBC, and TGG as well.

Apparently having a color ring is not enough to help. <sigh>

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 29 January 2013, 14:44:39
After I asked about the colors I don't have, Melissa told me that color rings are not standard or always complete; they contain various colors "...depending on what is in stock ".

this is very unfortunate. Anyway I believe we are close to the final version. I hope to start the group buy by the end of the week. Can you sort out the issues you mentioned about receiving paypal payments?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 29 January 2013, 15:25:01
After I asked about the colors I don't have, Melissa told me that color rings are not standard or always complete; they contain various colors "...depending on what is in stock ".

this is very unfortunate. Anyway I believe we are close to the final version. I hope to start the group buy by the end of the week. Can you sort out the issues you mentioned about receiving paypal payments?

Sorting now.  ETA 48 hours.  Assume I will get it sorted and proceed,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Tue, 29 January 2013, 20:08:06
Smurf for the mods!!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: r3dx on Tue, 29 January 2013, 20:29:35
Mmmmmm.... that coffee and plum looks excellent.

I vote for coffee with plum mods and a neon green ESC cap  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Noko on Tue, 29 January 2013, 21:18:03
Plum looks totally awesome, in my opinion.

Edit:  with the green esc too--amazing idea r3dx.  That model keyboard a few pages back looks very nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:44:22
Okay guys, this might be it. The best set you've ever had :)

Standard TKL Cream on Coffee
(http://i.imgur.com/HaVH2Al.png)

Mods in Coffee
(http://i.imgur.com/425zatX.png)

C64 first release kit, white on mustard
(http://i.imgur.com/nIrfqDN.png)

Elegance kit, cream on plum (because it's just too good not to make it!)
(http://i.imgur.com/K0NsRUM.png)

Numpad kit
(http://i.imgur.com/osnTk8C.png)

Ergodox kit, I placed this alone because it's 32 darn keys just for that  :twisted:
(http://i.imgur.com/tboWjHU.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Sai on Wed, 30 January 2013, 02:53:39
Okay guys, this might be it. The best set you've ever had :)

Standard TKL Cream on Coffee
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/HaVH2Al.png)


Mods in Coffee
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/425zatX.png)


C64 first release kit, white on mustard
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/nIrfqDN.png)


Elegance kit, cream on plum (because it's just too good not to make it!)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K0NsRUM.png)


Numpad kit
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/osnTk8C.png)


Ergodox kit, I placed this alone because it's 32 darn keys just for that  :twisted:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/tboWjHU.png)


so damn hot.  :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 03:46:03
Can we have the symbol-only Capslock keycap, Matt3o?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:05:35
Every time I come here it's looking better and better.  Especially with the old Commodore Symbol (Classic), it's starting to amass an almost European Styling to this set, but how could that be?

It looks like a something you'll have in the morning to kick you off for the day and there are far fewer examples of these type of colours being made for us lot here on GH.

I hope this takes off, I think DT would love it as well because there are actual fan-boys there for this type of styling and I don't blame them at all for loving this type of key-set. 
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:16:26
Can we have the symbol-only Capslock keycap, Matt3o?

legends are not final yet. they will be either all text or all symbols. depends if we want a more retro or more modern style.

it's starting to amass an almost European Styling to this set

I take this as a compliment :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 January 2013, 04:38:32
Is anyone interested in adding a 4.5 spacebar to the mix?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 30 January 2013, 06:56:23
Looking good! I love that these will be large centered legends on spherical keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 30 January 2013, 07:23:58
Very nice job Matt3o.  A+
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:34:09
Would it be possible to get a 'FN' key?

indeed. we are also going to have a capslock key with "control" instead.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 30 January 2013, 09:49:31
Very nice!

I'd like to make a request that might make ordering hard, but since this is an IC thread, might give better info about INTEREST.

Could we break out the blanks and relegendables to gather interest individually?

i.e. How many of each of these are you interested in?

1x blank coffee
1.25x blank coffee
1.5x blank coffee
2x blank coffee

1x blank plum
1.25x blank plum
1.5x blank plum
2x blank plum

1x relegendable, coffee
1.25x relegendable, coffee
1.5x relegendable, coffee
2x relegendable, coffee

1x relegendable, plum
1.25x relegendable, plum
1.5x relegendable, plum
2x relegendable, plum

We don't have to (shouldn't) offer all of those individually in the GB thread, but it would be good to understand how many people are interested in which blanks and relegendables.  So if everyone wants a pair of 1x blanks in coffee we can just include them in the base kit.

Also, as someone who worked for a Commodore competitor back in the day, some form of non-logo Win key would be nice to have.

Thanks for pulling this together!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 January 2013, 10:20:43
Could we break out the blanks and relegendables to gather interest individually?

great idea! please note that relegendables in DSA are 1x only though.

Also, as someone who worked for a Commodore competitor back in the day

:) we want the names!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: r3dx on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:14:53
Looking good Matt3o
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:43:01
would you prefer deep dish or nippled for homing keys?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 January 2013, 19:07:40
Is anyone interested in adding a 4.5 spacebar to the mix?

Please anyone......anyone........  damn, it looks like I have to buy all 25 of them.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 January 2013, 19:09:27
would you prefer deep dish or nippled for homing keys?

Nothing beats a "NIPPLE" you desperately need that.  I can imagine caressing them now.......  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Wed, 30 January 2013, 19:26:25
Will there be some samples to see how the colors look in real life?
I'm not sure if I like them or not.. :S
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 30 January 2013, 19:40:26
would you prefer deep dish or nippled for homing keys?

For this profile?  Nipples.  Scoops are gonna be wierd, I think.  I have some samples (in the wrong color) I can photograph and post tomorrow.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 31 January 2013, 01:34:18
For this profile?  Nipples.  Scoops are gonna be wierd, I think.  I have some samples (in the wrong color) I can photograph and post tomorrow.

that would be great. I would also prefer the nipples but "experts" say that deep dish is the default for this kind of keys. The nipple is normally used just for the numpad... who am I to contradict the experts?

Will there be some samples to see how the colors look in real life?
I'm not sure if I like them or not.. :S

this is the closer I can get

(http://deskthority.net/resources/gorgeous-colour-scheme/3876)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Thu, 31 January 2013, 03:21:18
Has cream colored letter keys with coffee legends come up for discussion? Maybe an add-on? I think that is the only thing this is missing (IMHO).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 31 January 2013, 03:28:09
Has cream colored letter keys with coffee legends come up for discussion? Maybe an add-on? I think that is the only thing this is missing (IMHO).

yes we voted and they lost :) cream on coffee won by a wide margin
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Thu, 31 January 2013, 03:55:09
Has cream colored letter keys with coffee legends come up for discussion? Maybe an add-on? I think that is the only thing this is missing (IMHO).

yes we voted and they lost :) cream on coffee won by a wide margin

Ahh. Fair enough!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 31 January 2013, 04:50:15
Has cream colored letter keys with coffee legends come up for discussion? Maybe an add-on? I think that is the only thing this is missing (IMHO).

yes we voted and they lost :) cream on coffee won by a wide margin

Ahh. Fair enough!

I tried for Coffee on Cream man, I tried!  :)
It's my preference as well.  Maybe there will be another GB for it. 
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 31 January 2013, 05:05:23
that would be great. I would also prefer the nipples but "experts" say that deep dish is the default for this kind of keys. The nipple is normally used just for the numpad... who am I to contradict the experts?

Exactly, who are we to contradict the EXPERTS.  Go with what ever they recommend.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 31 January 2013, 05:33:06
Just noticed that this is in DSA profile, and just wanted to say I am in!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Thu, 31 January 2013, 06:15:13
Has cream colored letter keys with coffee legends come up for discussion? Maybe an add-on? I think that is the only thing this is missing (IMHO).

yes we voted and they lost :) cream on coffee won by a wide margin

Ahh. Fair enough!

I tried for Coffee on Cream man, I tried!  :)
It's my preference as well.  Maybe there will be another GB for it. 


Hopefully. But majority rules. I would have thought a lot of people would be down for a cream cheese and coffee set in this profile. It would break up the brown perfectly. Oh well. Maybe someday.
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 31 January 2013, 06:19:52
I like the plum mods much more than coffee on cream for this set..don't know why, must be the caps in the first post. And that lovely like green enter breaking it all up, delicious.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 31 January 2013, 06:45:19
We are getting closer to the final release. Please review before it's too late

(http://i.imgur.com/EJEjY6V.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tsangan on Thu, 31 January 2013, 06:53:14
looks amazing! love all the new kits available, this GB is going to jack a lot of my money
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: phetto on Thu, 31 January 2013, 07:58:57
wow, interested..
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 31 January 2013, 08:36:20
We are getting closer to the final release. Please review before it's too late

I'm going to buy everyone of those kits. It looks amazing. Nice work Matt3o!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: r3dx on Thu, 31 January 2013, 08:46:07
Impressive. Most impressive.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:12:44
love the lime iso set, but im not really feeling the brown colour so much `
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:33:38
love the lime iso set, but im not really feeling the brown colour so much `

I'm trying to.

I'd like to see a brown-to-blue interest rating based on these choices:

1) I would certainly buy brown. Period.
2) I would buy brown but not blue.
3) I would buy brown, and maybe blue.
4) I would buy either one.
5) I would buy blue, and maybe brown.
6) I would buy blue but not brown.
7) I would certainly buy blue. Period.

I am feeling #6 and being a #5.  Baldguy?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:39:24
I'm with #2
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:50:47
#4

BTW, I can setup a poll through WuFoo, or similar if you'd think that would help.
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 January 2013, 10:13:11
Can't we just do brown this time and blue next time? You can spread GBs out, you know. :)

I get it, though. We've gone so long with so few GB options that you want all these options available NAO!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: phetto on Thu, 31 January 2013, 10:28:01
I think I will need to grab a G80-3000 for these, to make it look retro :D
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 31 January 2013, 10:36:03
please note this is a very special set. They are DSA keys, spherical, all on the same profile and we can't match some of the keys (iso enter, spacebars, left stem capslock). It's not definitely for everybody. If it was a "standard" set I would agree on adding more color options but it is not, so I would stick with fewer options.

Regarding color, I LOVE blue, but R4 already has blue sphericals and I don't want to overlap. Plus people preferred the cream on brown version in our short polling on both GH and DT, so...
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: r3dx on Thu, 31 January 2013, 12:53:30
I'm going to have to side with Matt3o on this one. Even though I initially brought up the white on blue set, I think it would be best if we don't overlap with the R4 buy.

Honestly, I'm not too thrilled about the R4 set (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round4_SPH) because I would like a full set of blues to have that bright retro look, so I'm probably not going to get a set. Plus, I really have fallen in love with the last mock-up Matt did, that lime green ESC and Enter key were the icing on the cake.  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 31 January 2013, 15:49:11
love the lime iso set, but im not really feeling the brown colour so much `

I'm trying to.

I'd like to see a brown-to-blue interest rating based on these choices:

1) I would certainly buy brown. Period.
2) I would buy brown but not blue.
3) I would buy brown, and maybe blue.
4) I would buy either one.
5) I would buy blue, and maybe brown.
6) I would buy blue but not brown.
7) I would certainly buy blue. Period.

I am feeling #6 and being a #5.  Baldguy?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


I have almost zero interest in a blue set tbh... but I'd be in for those green mods and maybe some other of the mod sets, I'm not sure yet as there are alot of upcoming GB's seeming coming up for around the middle of the year, so I'm not sure really want I'm going to be putting my money into :P
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: pasph on Thu, 31 January 2013, 16:44:59
#4
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: merijn on Thu, 31 January 2013, 17:04:29
#6#7
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:25:42
#5
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 31 January 2013, 18:27:30
If we're still fishing colour interest, obviously #2 close to #1.
I hath spoken, no more colour talk :p
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: 1391401 on Thu, 31 January 2013, 19:29:59
I really like it, but I am waiting for my SPH from R4 to know if I want to buy any more :\
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Thu, 31 January 2013, 21:09:51
Thank you for providing a picture, Matt3o!

Looking really good so far! :)

I was wondering though about the extra kit:
would it be possible to add a lime 1x2.0 enter button as well?
Or, maybe just a lime blank 2.0 one? Also a blank lime one in 1x1.5 would be cool!

Btw, what are the extra F and J keys for?

Sorry for asking so many questions.

LOVE the coffee break one btw!! :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 01:18:25
I believe we are pretty much settled on brown unless a horde of blues comes. Anyway we can change our mind up to the day I send the order to SP.

I really like it, but I am waiting for my SPH from R4 to know if I want to buy any more :\

please remember that they are not the same spherical (DSA vs SA profile).

would it be possible to add a lime 1x2.0 enter button as well?
Or, maybe just a lime blank 2.0 one? Also a blank lime one in 1x1.5 would be cool!

I'm adding some more green keys. what's the 2.0 for?

Btw, what are the extra F and J keys for?

Unbumped F and J are for colemak and dvorak layouts (or if you prefer a completely flat layout).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Fri, 01 February 2013, 01:29:05
Ah, i see @ F and J. Thanks!

Well, I would just use the lime 2.0 as backspace or enter for my thumb buttons!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 04:25:45
OKAY, this is my offer regarding blue and brown dispute.

If we reach the 50 tier with brown, we add the blue kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 01 February 2013, 08:29:16
OKAY, this is my offer regarding blue and brown dispute.

If we reach the 50 tier with brown, we add the blue kit.

Good plan.  I remain in.

I worked for Atari during the Commodore years.  Oddly enough we used Atari 800s instead of Commodore whatevers.

And IBM Selectrics with blue keycaps.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 08:34:36
Good plan.  I remain in.

I worked for Atari during the Commodore years.  Oddly enough we used Atari 800s instead of Commodore whatevers.

And IBM Selectrics with blue keycaps.

actually I was toying with the idea of adding an Atari custom key
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Fri, 01 February 2013, 08:41:54
I'm a C=64 kid at heart, but I lusted after the Atari computers and would LOVE to add that key to the set.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 01 February 2013, 12:27:36
I believe that the brown of the sample picture is TBN, TGH is more chocolate. I have no clue about which white to use. The C64 one seems actually pure white (WA?), but we could go slightly off with WCK, WBO, TM, WEA... too many to choose from...

Missing color chips arrived last night.  TBN looks really good for these keys.  WA would be really sharp for legends.  WCK is also fine, and would match their "white" universal space bars.  But it isn't as sharp and distinct as the TBN/WA combo.  That would be proper old school.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 12:34:40
I believe that the brown of the sample picture is TBN, TGH is more chocolate. I have no clue about which white to use. The C64 one seems actually pure white (WA?), but we could go slightly off with WCK, WBO, TM, WEA... too many to choose from...

Missing color chips arrived last night.  TBN looks really good for these keys.  WA would be really sharp for legends.  WCK is also fine, and would match their "white" universal space bars.  But it isn't as sharp and distinct as the TBN/WA combo.  That would be proper old school.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)


thanks for checking, Ron.
would you also have a look at WBO? Could you scan those 3 colors when you get the chance? Thanks

it turned out that C64 legends are cream on the top and pure white on the side (which we do not cover of course).

PS: I'm adding the Atari logo as C64/winkey replacement

Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 February 2013, 12:52:26
IIRC, the Atari 800 also had brown keys with white legends. Good idea on the Atari mod keys.

While you guys were using your C64's and Atari 800's, I was programming simple BASIC on my TI-99/4A. :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 01 February 2013, 12:55:35
thanks for checking, Ron.
would you also have a look at WBO? Could you scan those 3 colors when you get the chance? Thanks

it turned out that C64 legends are cream on the top and pure white on the side (which we do not cover of course).

PS: I'm adding the Atari logo as C64/winkey replacement

When was that color ring scanned?  I don't have WBO either.  However I do have WFM and WFO which both look similar to WBO and look good with TBN.

Make sure you get the Atari Logo correct.  There are a bunch of near-misses.  Here are two hits:

(http://obsoletegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/atari.jpg)

(http://images.stylinonline.com/t-shirt-atari-logo-black-name.jpg)

I don't know how well that will translate to ABS.  Placement of the ® is important.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 13:21:02
When was that color ring scanned?  I don't have WBO either.  However I do have WFM and WFO which both look similar to WBO and look good with TBN.

luckily colors can be chosen up to the day before sending the order :)

Make sure you get the Atari Logo correct.  There are a bunch of near-misses.  Here are two hits:
Show Image
(http://obsoletegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/atari.jpg)


great thanks! I'll use this!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 01 February 2013, 13:46:05
Color chips - scanned.

[attach=1]
TBN, WA, WFO & WFM

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 13:51:54
thanks!

they all look legit to me. we just have to decide if we want a pure white or a more creamy white.
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 February 2013, 13:59:10
If it was for base color, I would say do with WFK, but as its just for legends, I say we go with WA. WA on NN has always been a standard.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Fri, 01 February 2013, 16:04:01
I vote for cream, like WFO
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: KuhnTang on Fri, 01 February 2013, 16:18:35
I don't care, I'll order anything

.... almost
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 01 February 2013, 16:24:25
If it was for base color, I would say do with WFK, but as its just for legends, I say we go with WA. WA on NN has always been a standard.

Looking at them live and in the flesh plastic, I really have to agree that WA is the way to go.

I was iffy about the brown until I got the TBN chip and put the WA next to it and POW!  Awesomeness.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 17:00:39
I was iffy about the brown until I got the TBN chip and put the WA next to it and POW!  Awesomeness.

I've told you, it was good... but noooo, that brown is too dark... that white is too cold... :P :P :P
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tsangan on Fri, 01 February 2013, 17:04:24
because of how dark the base colour is the WA is a good choice to compensate it

WFM is fine too if you think WA would hurts your eyes, cream would work but it doesn't seem to be intent for the OP
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 01 February 2013, 17:10:21
pure white goes very well with brown, plum and green. it depends if we want to resemble the original c64 look and feel, in that case we would have to use a more creamy white

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 February 2013, 17:22:01
W-A! W-A! W-A all the WAy!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: funkymeeba on Sat, 02 February 2013, 17:44:51
Just here to express my interest in brown with plum mods. :D

I'm fine with any of those mods, really. Nice choices, all of them.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 03 February 2013, 07:17:13
This might be it.

KIT 8 is for the upcoming HyperMicro keyboard 7bit will release after R4 and for any other extreme modder.

(http://i.imgur.com/1pQW4Fv.png)

tomorrow I'll request a quote to SP for each KIT and we can start the group buy.

PLEASE review the layout and report issues ASAP
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:12:02
Small request...can you add a 1.25-unit Caps Lock (symbol) to the Extreme Modder pack, please?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:15:22
Small request...can you add a 1.25-unit Caps Lock (symbol) to the Extreme Modder pack, please?

1.25 caps is in kit 3, I tried not to replicate keys in multiple kits (with very few exceptions)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:17:01
Yep, there it is. It's all good, since I will be ordering one of each, anyway. Goodbye, money!

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:23:59
This thing is going to empty my wallet.  I predict that this will be the sought-after set that goes for $180 next year.  Looks amazing.  More epic than CCnG. Props.

Matt3o, the only thing missing from those layout pics is what profile the blank 1x keys are.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:33:18
Matt3o, the only thing missing from those layout pics is what profile the blank 1x keys are.

what do you mean by profile?

In DSA we have just 1 profile (even though this would be a great DCS family layout too).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:34:22
Oh yeah, I forgot!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Shadovved on Sun, 03 February 2013, 08:49:29
I like this set!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 03 February 2013, 09:27:29
Really, really nice.  Well done.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 03 February 2013, 12:40:36
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered?  |\, shifts, enters...
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 03 February 2013, 13:23:51
You know, it doesn't hurt to sit on my wallet anymore... Weird.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 03 February 2013, 13:27:26
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered?  |\, shifts, enters...

that is pretty standard SP layout I believe.

Nicely done!  If I had only one request it would be for a 1x1 key with a calculator symbol on it.

Only if SP  already has mold for that.

Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 03 February 2013, 15:46:38
You know, it doesn't hurt to sit on my wallet anymore... Weird.
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Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 03 February 2013, 16:20:29
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered?  |\, shifts, enters...

that is pretty standard SP layout I believe.


The Round Three runs showed that they have the text legends for shift and return centered.  Personally, I'd love to see all the legends except for |\  to follow the Round Three look -- centered, uppercase text in that retro font.  It's the most credible match for real vintage hardware.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 03 February 2013, 19:34:48
I'm still not a too big fan of the color choice (sorry, retro isn't my thing), but I have to say that I love the insane amount of awesome keys for this set!! :)

Edit: could you add a backspace 2.0 key cap to the extreme modder kit?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Sun, 03 February 2013, 19:50:44
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered?  |\, shifts, enters...

that is pretty standard SP layout I believe.


The Round Three runs showed that they have the text legends for shift and return centered.  Personally, I'd love to see all the legends except for |\  to follow the Round Three look -- centered, uppercase text in that retro font.  It's the most credible match for real vintage hardware.

I concur. All text except the windows keys would look legit.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 03 February 2013, 20:31:31
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered?  |\, shifts, enters...

that is pretty standard SP layout I believe.


The Round Three runs showed that they have the text legends for shift and return centered.  Personally, I'd love to see all the legends except for |\  to follow the Round Three look -- centered, uppercase text in that retro font.  It's the most credible match for real vintage hardware.

I concur. All text except the windows keys would look legit.

What he said!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Sun, 03 February 2013, 22:11:16
Why not throw "META" in there, while you are at it.  ;)
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 03 February 2013, 22:25:30
Is there room for an Apple command key in this set?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 03 February 2013, 22:49:09
Feature-creep kills projects
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Glod on Mon, 04 February 2013, 00:40:35
Feature-creep kills projects

^ !!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:20:10
Why not throw "META" in there, while you are at it.  ;)

there's meta, I'm also adding the 1.25 variant

Is there room for an Apple command key in this set?

I thought about it but you can use meta, c64 key, atari key, blank, hyper, ... :D plenty of choices.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:25:09
Edit: could you add a backspace 2.0 key cap to the extreme modder kit?

why? you already have the 2.0 in the TKL kit
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:27:08
Edit: could you add a backspace 2.0 key cap to the extreme modder kit?

why? you already have the 2.0 in the TKL kit

Ah, stupid me. Sorry! :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:35:13
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered?  |\, shifts, enters...

that is pretty standard SP layout I believe.


The Round Three runs showed that they have the text legends for shift and return centered.  Personally, I'd love to see all the legends except for |\  to follow the Round Three look -- centered, uppercase text in that retro font.  It's the most credible match for real vintage hardware.

I concur. All text except the windows keys would look legit.

I'll give it a shot, but this retro+icons layout is quite nice I believe
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:51:34
It's not the icons that I'm not a fan of. It's the inconsistency of part text and part icons. Although I do think all text would look better IMHO. Maybe we can vote on it? The more I look at these, the better they sound.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:11:31
this would be a preview

[attach=1]

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:18:35
That flows a lot better! I may have to get in on this.....
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:27:10
this would be a preview

(Attachment Link)

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.

Damn, Matt3o every time I come back here you refine the design even further.  I can't believe how sexy brown could be, but I suspect all the white women already know that....... :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:30:25
this would be a preview

(Attachment Link)

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.

Damn, Matt3o every time I come back here you refine the design even further.  I can't believe how sexy brown could be, but I suspect all the white women already know that....... :-*

this set has no mercy for your wallet! No matter how much USPS will charge shipping :P
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 February 2013, 05:30:00
this set has no mercy for your wallet! No matter how much USPS will charge shipping :p

I'm not worried about shipping costs at all......just as long as they get delivered to the address.  If you can provide detailed tracking numbers on all the orders then everything should work out right.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:24:25
Why not throw "META" in there, while you are at it.  ;)

there's meta, I'm also adding the 1.25 variant

You rock!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:35:04
waiting for the quote from SP...
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:45:20
Does SP have the calculator mold?

I asked for the quote together with a series of questions regarding legends and keys. I will hopefully receive a reply today, maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:47:45
Normally I don't like text-only modifiers. I like symbol-only modifiers or text with symbols. But these with text-only really do remind me of the keyboards of the past. I'm kinda digging that look.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:50:36
Yes, kind of like "Round 3" in R4.  Ironically, I will probably be typing on these before I ever see any caps from R4.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:54:08
Yes, kind of like "Round 3" in R4.  Ironically, I will probably be typing on these before I ever see any caps from R4.

it seems R4 shipping will start at the end of Feb or March... so maybe there's a chance that you get R4 before this :) Anyway I'd like to make this a speed-buy if orders comes quickly enough.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:55:20
Is there room for an Apple command key in this set?

I thought about it but you can use meta, c64 key, atari key, blank, hyper, ... :D plenty of choices.

Agreed and I'd probably never use it anyway since I'll be using the C=64 key.  ;D

Hope I'm not being a pill with all my questions, but I was just reviewing the keys again and are you not going to include a "GeekHack" key with the set?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:00:32
I was just reviewing the keys again and are you not going to include a "GeekHack" key with the set?

at the moment, no plans for GeekHack or Deskthority keys... but if the SP quote is really that low we might want to add them to the mix
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:04:39
Yes, kind of like "Round 3" in R4.  Ironically, I will probably be typing on these before I ever see any caps from R4.

it seems R4 shipping will start at the end of Feb or March... so maybe there's a chance that you get R4 before this :) Anyway I'd like to make this a speed-buy if orders comes quickly enough.

He still has to hand-sort everything and he said he won't start shipping until SA shows up.  SP hasn't manufactured them and I don't think the completed DCS caps have showed up in Germany yet.  It's going to be a while.  I will be surprised if I get them this year.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:09:23
I will be surprised if I get them this year.

WOW :eek:

maybe I could go to Germany and pick up my set myself :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 04 February 2013, 12:38:23
Is it just me, or would this set with the "Kit4: C64 Nostalgia" look amazing on a KMAC Mini?

(http://i.imgur.com/LTw4C.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:29:02
different key families though
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:36:48
Someone needs to bend the PCB ala model m and get the best of both.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:45:43
different key families though

No, not the CCnG, I mean THIS set. Kit 1 + kit4. The C=64 had it's function keys down the right side, this one would be down the left, but there would definitely be a similarities there.

Sorry, I don't mean to derail the thread. Just excited about the set.  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:47:27
oooh I see what you mean! I totally agree with you on that :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Noko on Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:15:59
Normally I don't like text-only modifiers. I like symbol-only modifiers or text with symbols. But these with text-only really do remind me of the keyboards of the past. I'm kinda digging that look.

I totally agree.  The text-only look is my favourite for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:33:18
bad news regarding custom/special legends. As it is right now we already need 3 custom legends (c64, cofee and atari). The fact that they have the mold for DCS family doesn't mean that they have it for DSA too
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:41:02
I had a feeling this might be the case, since the legend mold is dependent upon the profile of the key top.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 04 February 2013, 19:58:16
bad news regarding custom/special legends. As it is right now we already need 3 custom legends (c64, cofee and atari). The fact that they have the mold for DCS family doesn't mean that they have it for DSA too

No worries, just stick with the original plan/design then.  What matters most is that the colours and style of the Font is maintained for this key-set.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: kmiller8 on Mon, 04 February 2013, 20:57:57
What would it cost to create the mold for just 1 special key?

$45 from SP.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 05 February 2013, 01:51:11
I've got pricing for the set as it is now (more or less, with very few differences from the latest picture).

All prices in the 50 tier:
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KIT 1: 53.30 TKL
KIT 2: 18.67 Numpad
KIT 3: 29.63 Mods
KIT 4: 12.69 C64
KIT 5: 54.78 Plum
KIT 6: 22.01 Extra
KIT 7: 22.87 ErgoDox
KIT 8: 43.17 Modder

we need a new mold for 2.75 shift, and 3 new legends. I'm a bit surprised by KIT 5 that is going to cost more than KIT 1 with half the keys. It would be really nice if we could match the 100 tier.

100 sets:
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KIT 1: $46.45
KIT 2: $16.91
KIT 3: $22.28
KIT 4: $10.93
KIT 5: $42.59
KIT 6: $19.18
KIT 7: $19.47
KIT 8: $35.18

I think I'll remove all the custom keys except for the C64.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 05 February 2013, 06:01:29
this would be a preview

(Attachment Link)

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.
Oh man this text only mods really do it for this set it reminds me of the awesomeness of the Round 3 set all over again.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: simkev on Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:01:00
It would be nice if there could be a base kit and two different modifers kit, one with 1.25u bottom row and 6.25u space and one modifier kit with 1.5u bottom row an 7u space. As it is now if I would want this kit with plum modifiers on a win key less board I would have to buy the base, modder and plum kit and pay for ALOT keys that I wouldn't use.
This is a quick example made in paint which I think would fit the most people.
Making it easier to get exactly what you want without having to pay for a lot of keys which you wouldn't use.
(http://i.imgur.com/GovWvgn.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:14:22
yes, I'm going to place alpha out of the kit1. so you can pick just base alpha + the mods you need.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: OrangeJewce on Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:35:08
Matt3o,

ErgoDox bonus keys look correct. 12 Tabs (1.5x), 4 Enter (2x). There are 76 keys in total.

Cheers,
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: OrangeJewce on Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:36:54
You will need to add 1x keys as well, the f5-f8, and I believe 8 1x keys that surround the thumb clusters.

Cheers,
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: aggiejy on Tue, 05 February 2013, 13:20:55
I'm in for a set!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: NexusKaiser on Tue, 05 February 2013, 22:23:07
Oh gosh that's so retro it's awesome! Definitely keeping my eye on this and you have my interest for a set in full coffee!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 06 February 2013, 14:19:46
I don't own a keyboard that this set could be used on (BS and one ALPS keyboard) but I will buy one so that I can participate -- love those retro keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Wed, 06 February 2013, 16:28:29
This is definitely going to happen, just a few more days to define the layout. It's impossible to make everyone happy of course. At the end the guy who is sorting and delivering is samwisekoi, so I need his opinion
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 06 February 2013, 17:45:03
This is definitely going to happen, just a few more days to define the layout. It's impossible to make everyone happy of course. At the end the guy who is sorting and delivering is samwisekoi, so I need his opinion

Do that.  Make sure he's happy to do it, because this can get ugly real fast.

Regardless of making everyone happy this is a real nice 'conservative' key-set.  Everyone should get one.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: NexusKaiser on Wed, 06 February 2013, 20:30:27
If this does happen, are the 1.75x right shift keys still happening? Would love to get a set onto a KBT Pure I'm planning to get
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 01:50:16
If this does happen, are the 1.75x right shift keys still happening? Would love to get a set onto a KBT Pure I'm planning to get

you should have all the keys you need
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:25:55
Okay, after weeks of work and disputes here is what I think is a very good compromise.

Please take the time to review all the kits and report any error!

These are the standard kits
If you just need a TKL or winkeyless (+ISO variants +colemak/dvorak/...) that's all you need. Very noob friendly, you just have to remember to get the spacebar (we will be suggesting that in the order form). These should cover the 70% of the user cases I presume.

(http://i.imgur.com/hXKfLkm.png)

These are the extended kits
Being DSA a key family very modder friendly we decided to put all the following options. Please note that Ergodox is still possible by selecting the individual blank keys

(http://i.imgur.com/uYfrVeg.png)

This should be 99% final.

The only custom key is C64 one! We removed all the others because SP doesn't have molds for many custom keys in the DSA family. Sorry about that, if we receive a gargantuan amount of orders we might reintroduce some of them.

Note to samwisekoi: ALL keys come already sorted, you just have to put kits together and ship.

If this is going to be very popular we might add a white on blue option.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:28:35
If this is going to be very popular we might add a white on blue option.

Add this and I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:51:53
If this is going to be very popular we might add a white on blue option.

Add this and I'm in!

White on blue would be awesome. I like the coffee standard one already, but I would buy the white on blue as well.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:57:39
Matt30 -- thank you for all your hard work on this IC. From this end it's been very exciting to see your progress on this project and I am thrilled with the results.

I'll definitely be purchasing many, many kits.

Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: leesofi on Thu, 07 February 2013, 10:46:11
add noppoo choc unit space bar please~
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 11:13:03
add noppoo choc unit space bar please~

if you refer to the mini it has some weird sized spacebar I believe. don't think we can find a replacement. It seems 5.25 or 5.5. Anyway its own black one goes very well with our brown.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Thu, 07 February 2013, 11:42:03
My Noppo Choc Mini is 5.5.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 11:49:25
there's no replacement for 5.5 spacebar, you have to use the original one.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: merijn on Thu, 07 February 2013, 15:21:09
When do you think this gb can start, and if it has, are you still doing a second color (blue? :D) after a certain number of people have ordered the brown set? Perhaps I might as well take a brown set :P
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 17:18:00
I got pricing. I believe in the week end I'll start the group buy
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 07 February 2013, 17:31:24
I got pricing. I believe in the week end I'll start the group buy

Take your time in getting this done right.  No sense in rushing into this if the final design is missing any parts to really make it a superb Key-set.

So far it really looks wonderful, something right out of the 80's presented for most keyboards today (MX-style).  You should be proud of yourself on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 07 February 2013, 17:53:33
this looks fantastic. SP's DSA profile is a very intriguing one for a number of reasons that we just haven't explored much yet. hope this moves through ordering and collection quickly; can't wait to see the results!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 17:57:46
Take your time in getting this done right.  No sense in rushing into this if the final design is missing any parts to really make it a superb Key-set.

So far it really looks wonderful, something right out of the 80's presented for most keyboards today (MX-style).  You should be proud of yourself on this one.

thank you, man :) it hasn't been easy at all :)

are you still doing a second color (blue? :D)

don't hold your breath. if you like it, get the brown one :P
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: calavera on Thu, 07 February 2013, 18:02:14
I really don't want to derail this group buy but I would love to have a retro kit like this. Colors are freaking amazing IMO:

(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/wallpaper-1015330.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 07 February 2013, 18:06:13
I really don't want to derail this group buy but I would love to have a retro kit like this. Colors are freaking amazing IMO:

Show Image
(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/wallpaper-1015330.jpg)


Don't worry when this Coffee and Cream one finishes I have a feeling someone else might pick this one up, I don't know if Matt3o wants to keep going on with this colour/style though?  There's a lot of work that he has to do all free to us but not for him.  No one knows what it's like to organize a Group Buy and Design of new keys for SP, other than the experts who have already done previous Group Buys.

I have a feeling this year is going to be the year for old-style key-sets.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: kaporkle on Thu, 07 February 2013, 20:40:26
Question: What font does SP use on DSA caps?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 07 February 2013, 21:05:10
Would you consider a short shift option for this set as well?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 07 February 2013, 21:11:27
Would you consider a short shift option for this set as well?

Already there!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 07 February 2013, 22:36:12
SP uses "SP Standard Font" a.k.a. WYSE font legends.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 08 February 2013, 02:27:53
I really don't want to derail this group buy but I would love to have a retro kit like this. Colors are freaking amazing IMO:


that's awesome, everyone agree!

we chose brown because people picked brown in the interest check and Round4 already has spherical blue. two very good reasons actually. I'm not going back on this point.

I asked SP how much would cost to make tooling for the DSA spacebar, would be awesome to have the DSA spacebar and if we reach a high volume would be totally possible.

If the set is successful I'm all in for new legends, new colors and new space bars. At the moment I just want to reach a good tier and that is possible only by reducing the options (actually I'd also like to remove plum :P but people seem to like it... so let's keep it).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 08 February 2013, 02:34:54
A small correction to the C64 nostalgia layout.

SP can't do "f 1" (lowercase-f space number) like in the original C64 keyboard, so they will be standard function keys (F1).
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: rknize on Fri, 08 February 2013, 02:40:50
FWIW, SP charged R4 $3500 for one SA mold.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 08 February 2013, 02:50:17
FWIW, SP charged R4 $3500 for one SA mold.

tooling for DSA 6u would be $800, not the most famous space bar size, but still
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 08 February 2013, 03:05:16
tooling for DSA 6u would be $800, not the most famous space bar size, but still

All up to you Matt3o, don't let anyone try and pour mud over your design considerations.  If you think it'll lower the price point downwards for everyone then do it.

Just offer them the bare essentials only if they whinge and complain and want more stuff and are not willing to pay for it, they don't need this key-set.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Fri, 08 February 2013, 03:10:47
tooling for DSA 6u would be $800, not the most famous space bar size, but still

All up to you Matt3o, don't let anyone try and pour mud over your design considerations.  If you think it'll lower the price point downwards for everyone then do it.

Just offer them the bare essentials only if they whinge and complain and want more stuff and are not willing to pay for it, they don't need this key-set.

Or they can start their own GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: aggiejy on Fri, 08 February 2013, 10:08:24
Exactly, people can do a follow-up group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 08 February 2013, 10:38:21
like I said. if this is successful as we all hope, I see no issues at adding white on blue.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 08 February 2013, 16:59:37
like I said. if this is successful as we all hope, I see no issues at adding white on blue.

Quite true, people on this forum are extremely terrible at being patient and calm........when it comes to buying a Key-set.  I should know I panic the most when it comes to ordering anything from here.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 10 February 2013, 23:04:34
I don't think this will will help those of us, including myself, that are impatient, but we have received a wonderful gift from kaporkle (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20953).

He has been creating CG visualization of key cap color combinations (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39239.0). He was kind enough to create a 3D design of Poker keyboard and not one to stop from looking a gift horse in the mouth, I also asked if would would be so kind as to design a spherical key cap as well.  I'm happy to say that kaporkle went to to great lengths to model the cylindrical key cap and mockup the colors chosen for this future group buy on a KBC Poker.  :eek:

It's not the exact font, but it's pretty damn nice and I think you'll agree..
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: wasabah on Sun, 10 February 2013, 23:22:38
That looks awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Sun, 10 February 2013, 23:25:58
Wow! That looks great! Not digging the red but this gets me excited for this to happen!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jil_jil32 on Sun, 10 February 2013, 23:49:20
Like!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 11 February 2013, 00:03:39
Please don't make me start throwing money at the screen.  If the notes scratch the glossy finish, I don't know what I'd do...
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 11 February 2013, 00:04:50
Please don't make me start throwing money at the screen.  If the notes scratch the glossy finish, I don't know what I'd do...

The notes should be fine, just don't start throwing your change ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 02:05:53
I don't think this will will help those of us, including myself, that are impatient, but we have received a wonderful gift from kaporkle (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20953).

He has been creating CG visualization of key cap color combinations (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39239.0). He was kind enough to create a 3D design of Poker keyboard and not one to stop from looking a gift horse in the mouth, I also asked if would would be so kind as to design a cylindrical key cap as well.  I'm happy to say that kaporkle went to to great lengths to model the cylindrical key cap and mockup the colors chosen for this future group buy on a KBC Poker.  :eek:

It's not the exact font, but it's pretty damn nice and I think you'll agree..

That's freaking awesome! May I use that image in the GB? Legends aren't the same but overall look n feel is exactly what we are aiming for.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: DrugER on Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:05:30
i alwaysreally want DSA FAMILY !!! GO 2 GB !!!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:12:03
almost there. I have to wait SP to rectify some prices.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 11 February 2013, 07:32:28
That's freaking awesome! May I use that image in the GB? Legends aren't the same but overall look n feel is exactly what we are aiming for.

Yes, of course! He also has a Realforce that would show off more keys too.  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 07:59:08
I can't use the whole image as the mod legends are wrong (and people would keep asking why they are different from the other previews)... but I can pick a section
Title: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 11 February 2013, 08:26:33
This was just a first draft and he was already aware of the font and legend issues. I simply couldn't wait to share :)

The plan is to have a proper image for the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 08:51:35
The plan is to have a proper image for the GB.

that would be simply fantastic! keep me posted.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: kaporkle on Mon, 11 February 2013, 09:28:42
Mashby, you are too kind!
I will try for a full-size 104 mock-up by next weekend.

SP uses "SP Standard Font" a.k.a. WYSE font legends.
Thank you jdcarpe. I found this image in a google search, probably from here. Just to be clear, this is the font that will be used on the caps, yes?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v123/DaJuice/35i9h91.jpg)

Is there a typeface I can download that will match it or at least be close?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 10:01:43
arial rounded is close but it's not a 100% match
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:58:50
Matt3o, may I suggest updating the first post with the almost final sets?

Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:05:24
Matt3o, may I suggest updating the first post with the almost final sets?

I'm posting the group buy in the next couple of hours with all the final stuff
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:06:07
This calls for celebration! Too bad I am not supposed to drink at work.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:17:11
Order placed.  MUCH BETTER FORM than Google Docs!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:19:39
Matt3o, may I suggest updating the first post with the almost final sets?

I'm posting the group buy in the next couple of hours with all the final stuff

Oh, way better!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:22:21
WTF? Where is the form? Don't make me ragequit this GB before it gets started...
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:23:51
WTF? Where is the form? Don't make me ragequit this GB before it gets started...

ahahah :) just a little bit of patience guys :) samwisekoi got a preview because he is going to coordinate the GB with me :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:24:12
GRRRRRRRRR
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:27:07
Murder most choppy! You can't expect patience on the Monday; that is just inhumane!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 February 2013, 17:13:41
Group buy starts as of...

NOW! (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.0)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:27:06
Group buy starts as of...

NOW! (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.0)

I think you've started an AVALANCHE...... of Orders  :o
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: firerock on Fri, 08 March 2013, 17:06:06
Hello!
I've got a question, just to be informed for the future GB.
Is it possible to order DSA (or any other spherical) L-shaped Enter key?
Thank you for the answer ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 08 March 2013, 22:51:09
I'd contact Signature Plastics directly.

I know we had to use a non-spherical alternative format for some keys, possibly the ISO Enter.

Note that L-shaped enters tend to be non-standardized, so that might affect compatibility.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: firerock on Sat, 09 March 2013, 02:02:52
I'd contact Signature Plastics directly.
I know we had to use a non-spherical alternative format for some keys, possibly the ISO Enter.
Note that L-shaped enters tend to be non-standardized, so that might affect compatibility.

Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 09 March 2013, 02:15:39
Spherical ISO Return is only in SA family
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: firerock on Sat, 09 March 2013, 02:34:07
L-shaped Enter ≠ ISO Enter.

Actually, it's like an ISO Enter plus 1 button:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 09 March 2013, 02:47:45
L-shaped Enter ≠ ISO Enter.

Actually, it's like an ISO Enter plus 1 button:

(Attachment Link)

Let me rephrase. L and J shaped SPHERICALS are only available in SA family
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: firerock on Sat, 09 March 2013, 02:51:49
Let me rephrase. L and J shaped SPHERICALS are only available in SA family

Thank you, kind sir! ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 09 March 2013, 03:00:19
Let me rephrase. L and J shaped SPHERICALS are only available in SA family

Thank you, kind sir! ;)

most welcome. if you are interested we are going to have a SA group buy soon
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: firerock on Sat, 09 March 2013, 03:07:33
most welcome. if you are interested we are going to have a SA group buy soon

Yes, of course interested!

And would it be possible to include the L-shaped Enter key to that GB?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 09 March 2013, 03:12:51
most welcome. if you are interested we are going to have a SA group buy soon

Yes, of course interested!

And would it be possible to include the L-shaped Enter key to that GB?

if there's enough interest, why not?

do you have the exact key shape? in units, is it 1 x 2 x 1.75 x 1? (1 unit top, 2 height, 1.75 bottom, 1 left)

or is it 1.25 x 2 x 1.5 x 1?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 09 March 2013, 10:38:14
I love this one...

(Thanks to the OP!)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 10 March 2013, 05:08:12
I love this one...

(Thanks to the OP!)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


Yes, a simple two colour key-set would be superb.

I'll buy several if you're going to run a Group Buy on this colour combination.  Please make sure this actually runs, and keep away from anymore differing colour (Modifiers, Enters, Backspace, Esc's) suggestions, because we don't need them anymore.

For once just stick to an ultra conservative colour choice and see how many will buy it.  Usually the youngster's want every colour under the rainbow but since this key-set will attract the 'oldies' you need to start offering something that will stay in their keyboards for years rather than just the usual 'craze' that lasts only for a couple of months.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 10 March 2013, 09:37:51
I love this one...

(Thanks to the OP!)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


Yes, a simple two colour key-set would be superb.

I'll buy several if you're going to run a Group Buy on this colour combination.  Please make sure this actually runs, and keep away from anymore differing colour (Modifiers, Enters, Backspace, Esc's) suggestions, because we don't need them anymore.

For once just stick to an ultra conservative colour choice and see how many will buy it.  Usually the youngster's want every colour under the rainbow but since this key-set will attract the 'oldies' you need to start offering something that will stay in their keyboards for years rather than just the usual 'craze' that lasts only for a couple of months.


Exactly!

It would also be best with a big-old Enter key and some stepped mods, but supporting an 87-key ANSI TKL is apparently mandatory in Group Buys.

Who would go for the above in single-color ISO?

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:02:48
I love this one...

(Thanks to the OP!)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


Yes, a simple two colour key-set would be superb.

I'll buy several if you're going to run a Group Buy on this colour combination.  Please make sure this actually runs, and keep away from anymore differing colour (Modifiers, Enters, Backspace, Esc's) suggestions, because we don't need them anymore.

For once just stick to an ultra conservative colour choice and see how many will buy it.  Usually the youngster's want every colour under the rainbow but since this key-set will attract the 'oldies' you need to start offering something that will stay in their keyboards for years rather than just the usual 'craze' that lasts only for a couple of months.


Exactly!

It would also be best with a big-old Enter key and some stepped mods, but supporting an 87-key ANSI TKL is apparently mandatory in Group Buys.

Who would go for the above in single-color ISO?

 - Ron I samwisekoi

ISO WTF? Who uses ISO? You must not want any orders for your GB. I'm kinda joking, but not really.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:08:24
So that's a no from jdcarpe...

Actually, I don't even have an ISO 'board, but I do remember those big Enter keys fondly.

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:26:05
So that's a no from jdcarpe...

Actually, I don't even have an ISO 'board, but I do remember those big Enter keys fondly.

 - Ron I samwisekoi

See, Ron?

people don't embrace the power of retro.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:32:24
Target audience doesn't own an ISO board. Those few who do, don't make up enough orders for a successful GB.

Fond memories of large RETURN key on archaic typewriter keyboards doesn't provide enough motivation to purchase a new keyboard in a different layout. :(
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:36:56
a crazy idea would be to create a custom keyboard just for that :)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:46:23
That is a crazy idea! ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:49:54
crazy but I'm actually working on it... if I can find a way to get a case at a decent price...
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 10 March 2013, 12:03:54
Seeing those keys makes me want to build up a board specifically for an ISO layout to take advantage of it.  :p

Does the GH60 support an ISO layout?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 10 March 2013, 12:23:09
Does the GH60 support an ISO layout?

YES!!

Also, anyone with a Rosewill could convert their board to ISO. You would just have to order a custom ISO plate for it. The options are there on the PCB.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 10 March 2013, 19:52:42
Seeing those keys makes me want to build up a board specifically for an ISO layout to take advantage of it.  :p

Damn, now I gotta go all UK on this.  They're the ones that use that weird layout.  If it means getting this retro kit then YES I will buy an all ISO/UK keyboard for this key-set.

See what you've done, made me go all British on this and I never intended to go that far.  ::)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 10 March 2013, 20:25:01
You could go for the semi-ISO layout of a G80-8133 or 8200.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 10 March 2013, 21:05:25
You could go for the semi-ISO layout of a G80-8133 or 8200.

I could do, but both of those keyboards are rare as hen's teeth.  I just want to get a bog-standard ISO layout from Filco.  Because they still make them for a decent price tag.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 10 March 2013, 21:36:43
Used they're pretty common though.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 11 March 2013, 10:19:55
And then there is the Nuclear Data keyboard...

(Thanks to legalize, the collector and OP.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 11 March 2013, 10:23:33
And both of those colors would look great in dirge's GH60 layout.

http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#BDH,WA,BDH,WA
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#VV,WA,VV,WA
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#BDH,WA,VV,WA

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Bullveyr on Mon, 11 March 2013, 10:30:33
I really like that green.

Isn't the blue in the Keyboard Color Chooser too dark compared to the one in the typewriter pic?
(for the record: I prefer the darker blue)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Mon, 11 March 2013, 10:40:16
yes the blue is too dark, but the lighter one doesn't go well together with the green.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 11 March 2013, 11:15:17
That nuclear board looks insane! I'd probably have to buy caps like that if they were to show up in a group buy. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 11 March 2013, 14:12:37
i think i would be down for a set regardless of what color you choose the caps to be. that retro font is awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 11 March 2013, 14:43:16
i think i would be down for a set regardless of what color you choose the caps to be. that retro font is awesome.
Yeah I think would take some regardless of color.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 11 March 2013, 14:52:49
This might be a crazy idea.

Could SP produce a DSA cap similar to QWERKEYS' "B Series"? With a white border around the top surface of the key?

Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tricheboars on Mon, 11 March 2013, 14:58:30
i will add that i really want a set of keycaps with this retro font, large (huge) lettering for the letter keys, and a grey and black color scheme. Basically i want the Round 3 keycap set.  But i will take retro looking caps in any color. even girly colors (not saying anyone chose girly colors in this thread) so ma lady can clack clack in style.

keep it wu-tang fellas. also if anyone has a round 3 keycap set they want to sell hit me up.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Bullveyr on Mon, 11 March 2013, 15:29:36
Depending on how much I'll like DSA in general I'll probably be also in for almost every color.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: oluf on Mon, 11 March 2013, 17:09:08
Wow! That nuclear board is bad ass! I think all "0" keys should be crossed out like that. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 14 March 2013, 10:24:48
Round 3 DSA would be amazing. I would buy about 10 sets, cause that would be the last set of keys I would ever need.
That Nuclear board is still amazing as well. That "0" is awesome. We need more DSA GB's!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: regack on Fri, 15 March 2013, 12:12:26
Round 3 DSA would be amazing. I would buy about 10 sets, cause that would be the last set of keys I would ever need.
That Nuclear board is still amazing as well. That "0" is awesome. We need more DSA GB's!

I want those green keys in time for Fallout 4.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 15 March 2013, 12:25:48
Round 3 DSA would be amazing. I would buy about 10 sets, cause that would be the last set of keys I would ever need.
That Nuclear board is still amazing as well. That "0" is awesome. We need more DSA GB's!

I want those green keys in time for Fallout 4.

Any kind of Fallout-themed groupbuy keyset would be retro and awesome and completely 'must-have'. Make it military green sphericals, LOL!

Edit: make a military green keycap, dyesubbed with a 'worn-looking' font, or put the keycaps in one of those things they use to wear down stones until they're rounded, to grunge them up a bit. It would be the keycap equivalent of acid-washed jeans. Scary.

Edit #2: Here's a picture of the device.
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Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Skull_Angel on Tue, 19 March 2013, 01:19:57
I'd like to see more spherical caps in general and these SP DSA sets look amazing. I'd definitely be in for future GBs if I can get the money together.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: ksm123 on Tue, 26 March 2013, 05:17:02
D#@n I found out about geekhack too late to take part in this GB :-( If only anyone had spare keyset for newer Noppoo Choc Mini (6 psc of 1,25 modifiers in lowest row) ;-)

A set of blank spherical caps was my dream for many months, but retros would be second choice.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 26 March 2013, 06:35:57
D#@n I found out about geekhack too late to take part in this GB :-( If only anyone had spare keyset for newer Noppoo Choc Mini (6 psc of 1,25 modifiers in lowest row) ;-)

A set of blank spherical caps was my dream for many months, but retros would be second choice.

There are a few user/vendors who ordered enough extra sets that you might be able to pick them up after they ship. Might be a bit more expensive, sure, but they should be available.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 28 March 2013, 21:02:52
I want that nuclear green set.  Large, centered labels in white, spherical green caps. 
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 28 March 2013, 21:25:14
I want that nuclear green set.  Large, centered labels in white, spherical green caps.

Me too!  I should get involved in the GB!

Joke.

Actually, what Matt3o and I were talking about today was going to SP and looking for weird retro legends.  Big letters, a slash through the zero, freaking missile silo, cold war bunker legends.  Since they don't charge extra for using different legends, just different colors and rows, those who are truly into the Nuclear Retro Green look can have some awesome caps!  Gimme the launch codes!

Who is making the ammo box case?  jdcarpe?  Somebody is.

Let's do this thing!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Hammer_and_sickle.svg/170px-Hammer_and_sickle.svg.png)  (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg/200px-Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Tarzan on Thu, 28 March 2013, 21:42:06
I want that nuclear green set.  Large, centered labels in white, spherical green caps.

Me too!  I should get involved in the GB!

Joke.

Actually, what Matt3o and I were talking about today was going to SP and looking for weird retro legends.  Big letters, a slash through the zero, freaking missile silo, cold war bunker legends.  Since they don't charge extra for using different legends, just different colors and rows, those who are truly into the Nuclear Retro Green look can have some awesome caps!  Gimme the launch codes!

Who is making the ammo box case?  jdcarpe?  Somebody is.

Let's do this thing!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7e/Hammer_and_sickle.svg/170px-Hammer_and_sickle.svg.png)
 
Show Image
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg/200px-Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg.png)


Like the TechKeys Nuke single, except in dark green with a red or white radiation logo?  That'd be a nice mix of retro and ominous, Fallout/Civil Defense signage crossed with Metro 2033...

Could do a whole set in dark red as well, get that blocky Metro font or something close:

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Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: oluf on Thu, 28 March 2013, 22:00:08
samwisekoi -> Nice! I like where you're head's at!
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 29 March 2013, 06:35:38
If we were doing a "Nuke Green" set', would we go for a faux weathered look? If so then maybe it would have to be dyesubbed legends? Or modify the font to make them look worn? Or skip the worn look entirely?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Fri, 29 March 2013, 06:44:56
must have key

(http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/signs/fsbigaa.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Tarzan on Fri, 29 March 2013, 06:46:34
must have key

Show Image
(http://www.civildefensemuseum.com/signs/fsbigaa.jpg)


+1
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 29 March 2013, 07:17:13
must have key

If we're going all out for NUKE's, then please start a Group Buy soon.  8)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 29 March 2013, 11:39:19
must have key

If we're going all out for NUKE's, then please start a Group Buy soon.  8)

We will, we will.  Too much time, not enough projects.  No.  Wait.  Reverse that!

Like the TechKeys Nuke single, except in dark green with a red or white radiation logo?  That'd be a nice mix of retro and ominous, Fallout/Civil Defense signage crossed with Metro 2033...

Yes.  We'll have to have the Nuke/Fallout Shelter key for Escape.  That is worth the $45 legend fee.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 29 March 2013, 12:24:34
lets get this moved from interest check to a group buy. I imagine dsa/retro sets will fly out the doors with the gh60s coming.

I want to buy the **** out of these.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 29 March 2013, 18:59:39
I want to buy the **** out of these.

I'm with him, exactly what he said.  I desperately need more OLD-style sets to make some Filco's look decent.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sat, 30 March 2013, 03:33:16
honestly I'd wait for the DSA Retro to have at least a confirmed ETA
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 30 March 2013, 05:29:11
honestly I'd wait for the DSA Retro to have at least a confirmed ETA

I know the sweet anticipation of owning them, is just too much to bear.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tricheboars on Sat, 30 March 2013, 15:34:27
honestly I'd wait for the DSA Retro to have at least a confirmed ETA

what does this mean? i am confused.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: drdoooom on Sat, 30 March 2013, 17:19:03
gorgeous, i'm in depending on price
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: esoomenona on Sat, 30 March 2013, 21:39:18
gorgeous, i'm in depending on price
You're a little late, friend. This set has already passed the interest check stage, passed the group buy stage, and with any luck, may hopefully be in the hands of buyers not long from now.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 30 March 2013, 23:25:24
I can't wait to see the first pics of this.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: hashbaz on Sat, 30 March 2013, 23:38:37
Will these fit on my Filco Majestouch-2 TKL with Cherry blue switches?
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 30 March 2013, 23:42:55
Will these fit on my Filco Majestouch-2 TKL with Cherry blue switches?

No, blue switches are weird so no custom keycap will fit it.
Title: Re: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox)
Post by: Matt3o on Sun, 31 March 2013, 03:36:14
to avoid confusion.

This IC is closed. We already had the GB. Keys are in production! ETA is end of April.

if you didn't get your set, you'll most likely be able to grab some spares or buy it from some vendors.