Author Topic: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox) (Read 78649 times)

Quote from: wasabah on Sun, 03 February 2013, 19:34:48
Edit: could you add a backspace 2.0 key cap to the extreme modder kit?

why? you already have the 2.0 in the TKL kit

Ah, stupid me. Sorry!

Matt3o · « **Reply #207 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:35:13 »

Quote from: Turbo Slaab on Sun, 03 February 2013, 19:50:44

Quote from: Hak Foo on Sun, 03 February 2013, 16:20:29
Quote from: Matt3o on Sun, 03 February 2013, 13:27:26
Quote from: Hak Foo on Sun, 03 February 2013, 12:40:36
Silly questionL Why are some legends not centered? |\, shifts, enters...

that is pretty standard SP layout I believe.

The Round Three runs showed that they have the text legends for shift and return centered. Personally, I'd love to see all the legends except for |\ to follow the Round Three look -- centered, uppercase text in that retro font. It's the most credible match for real vintage hardware.

I concur. All text except the windows keys would look legit.

I'll give it a shot, but this retro+icons layout is quite nice I believe

Turbo Slaab · « **Reply #208 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:51:34 »

It's not the icons that I'm not a fan of. It's the inconsistency of part text and part icons. Although I do think all text would look better IMHO. Maybe we can vote on it? The more I look at these, the better they sound.

Matt3o · « **Reply #209 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:11:31 »

this would be a preview

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.

Turbo Slaab · « **Reply #210 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:18:35 »

That flows a lot better! I may have to get in on this.....

Elrick · « **Reply #211 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:27:10 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:11:31

this would be a preview

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I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.

Damn, Matt3o every time I come back here you refine the design even further. I can't believe how sexy brown could be, but I suspect all the white women already know that.......

Matt3o · « **Reply #212 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:30:25 »

Quote from: Elrick on Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:27:10

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:11:31
this would be a preview

(Attachment Link)

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.

Damn, Matt3o every time I come back here you refine the design even further. I can't believe how sexy brown could be, but I suspect all the white women already know that.......

this set has no mercy for your wallet! No matter how much USPS will charge shipping

Elrick · « **Reply #213 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 05:30:00 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 04:30:25

this set has no mercy for your wallet! No matter how much USPS will charge shipping

I'm not worried about shipping costs at all......just as long as they get delivered to the address. If you can provide detailed tracking numbers on all the orders then everything should work out right.

rknize · « **Reply #214 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:24:25 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:20:10

Quote from: rknize on Sun, 03 February 2013, 22:11:16
Why not throw "META" in there, while you are at it.

there's meta, I'm also adding the 1.25 variant

You rock!

Matt3o · « **Reply #215 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:35:04 »

waiting for the quote from SP...

Matt3o · « **Reply #216 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:45:20 »

Quote from: dante on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:41:34

Does SP have the calculator mold?

I asked for the quote together with a series of questions regarding legends and keys. I will hopefully receive a reply today, maybe tomorrow.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #217 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:47:45 »

Normally I don't like text-only modifiers. I like symbol-only modifiers or text with symbols. But these with text-only really do remind me of the keyboards of the past. I'm kinda digging that look.

rknize · « **Reply #218 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:50:36 »

Yes, kind of like "Round 3" in R4. Ironically, I will probably be typing on these before I ever see any caps from R4.

Matt3o · « **Reply #219 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:54:08 »

Quote from: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:50:36

Yes, kind of like "Round 3" in R4. Ironically, I will probably be typing on these before I ever see any caps from R4.

it seems R4 shipping will start at the end of Feb or March... so maybe there's a chance that you get R4 before this

Anyway I'd like to make this a speed-buy if orders comes quickly enough.

mashby · « **Reply #220 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:55:20 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 02:20:10

Quote from: mashby on Sun, 03 February 2013, 22:25:30
Is there room for an Apple command key in this set?

I thought about it but you can use meta, c64 key, atari key, blank, hyper, ... plenty of choices.

Agreed and I'd probably never use it anyway since I'll be using the C=64 key.

Hope I'm not being a pill with all my questions, but I was just reviewing the keys again and are you not going to include a "GeekHack" key with the set?

Matt3o · « **Reply #221 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:00:32 »

Quote from: mashby on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:55:20

I was just reviewing the keys again and are you not going to include a "GeekHack" key with the set?

at the moment, no plans for GeekHack or Deskthority keys... but if the SP quote is really that low we might want to add them to the mix

rknize · « **Reply #222 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:04:39 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:54:08

Quote from: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:50:36
Yes, kind of like "Round 3" in R4. Ironically, I will probably be typing on these before I ever see any caps from R4.

it seems R4 shipping will start at the end of Feb or March... so maybe there's a chance that you get R4 before this Anyway I'd like to make this a speed-buy if orders comes quickly enough.

He still has to hand-sort everything and he said he won't start shipping until SA shows up. SP hasn't manufactured them and I don't think the completed DCS caps have showed up in Germany yet. It's going to be a while. I will be surprised if I get them this year.

Matt3o · « **Reply #223 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:09:23 »

Quote from: rknize on Mon, 04 February 2013, 11:04:39

I will be surprised if I get them this year.

WOW

maybe I could go to Germany and pick up my set myself

mashby · « **Reply #224 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 12:38:23 »

Is it just me, or would this set with the "Kit4: C64 Nostalgia" look amazing on a KMAC Mini?

Matt3o · « **Reply #225 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:29:02 »

different key families though

rknize · « **Reply #226 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:36:48 »

Someone needs to bend the PCB ala model m and get the best of both.

mashby · « **Reply #227 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:45:43 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:29:02

different key families though

No, not the CCnG, I mean THIS set. Kit 1 + kit4. The C=64 had it's function keys down the right side, this one would be down the left, but there would definitely be a similarities there.

Sorry, I don't mean to derail the thread. Just excited about the set.

Matt3o · « **Reply #228 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 13:47:27 »

oooh I see what you mean! I totally agree with you on that

Noko · « **Reply #229 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:15:59 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 04 February 2013, 10:47:45

Normally I don't like text-only modifiers. I like symbol-only modifiers or text with symbols. But these with text-only really do remind me of the keyboards of the past. I'm kinda digging that look.

I totally agree. The text-only look is my favourite for this set.

Matt3o · « **Reply #230 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:33:18 »

bad news regarding custom/special legends. As it is right now we already need 3 custom legends (c64, cofee and atari). The fact that they have the mold for DCS family doesn't mean that they have it for DSA too

rknize · « **Reply #231 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:41:02 »

I had a feeling this might be the case, since the legend mold is dependent upon the profile of the key top.

Elrick · « **Reply #232 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 19:58:16 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 17:33:18

bad news regarding custom/special legends. As it is right now we already need 3 custom legends (c64, cofee and atari). The fact that they have the mold for DCS family doesn't mean that they have it for DSA too

No worries, just stick with the original plan/design then. What matters most is that the colours and style of the Font is maintained for this key-set.

kmiller8 · « **Reply #233 on:** Mon, 04 February 2013, 20:57:57 »

Quote from: dante on Mon, 04 February 2013, 20:14:09

What would it cost to create the mold for just 1 special key?

$45 from SP.

Matt3o · « **Reply #234 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 01:51:11 »

I've got pricing for the set as it is now (more or less, with very few differences from the latest picture).

All prices in the 50 tier:

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KIT 1: 53.30 TKL
KIT 2: 18.67 Numpad
KIT 3: 29.63 Mods
KIT 4: 12.69 C64
KIT 5: 54.78 Plum
KIT 6: 22.01 Extra
KIT 7: 22.87 ErgoDox
KIT 8: 43.17 Modder

we need a new mold for 2.75 shift, and 3 new legends. I'm a bit surprised by KIT 5 that is going to cost more than KIT 1 with half the keys. It would be really nice if we could match the 100 tier.

100 sets:

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KIT 1: $46.45
KIT 2: $16.91
KIT 3: $22.28
KIT 4: $10.93
KIT 5: $42.59
KIT 6: $19.18
KIT 7: $19.47
KIT 8: $35.18

I think I'll remove all the custom keys except for the C64.

tsangan · « **Reply #235 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 06:01:29 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Mon, 04 February 2013, 03:11:31

this would be a preview

(Attachment Link)

I've also changed the arrow icons, if SP has the molds I prefer these ones.

Oh man this text only mods really do it for this set it reminds me of the awesomeness of the Round 3 set all over again.

simkev · « **Reply #236 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:01:00 »

It would be nice if there could be a base kit and two different modifers kit, one with 1.25u bottom row and 6.25u space and one modifier kit with 1.5u bottom row an 7u space. As it is now if I would want this kit with plum modifiers on a win key less board I would have to buy the base, modder and plum kit and pay for ALOT keys that I wouldn't use.
This is a quick example made in paint which I think would fit the most people.
Making it easier to get exactly what you want without having to pay for a lot of keys which you wouldn't use.

Matt3o · « **Reply #237 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:14:22 »

yes, I'm going to place alpha out of the kit1. so you can pick just base alpha + the mods you need.

OrangeJewce · « **Reply #238 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:35:08 »

Matt3o,

ErgoDox bonus keys look correct. 12 Tabs (1.5x), 4 Enter (2x). There are 76 keys in total.

Cheers,

OrangeJewce · « **Reply #239 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:36:54 »

You will need to add 1x keys as well, the f5-f8, and I believe 8 1x keys that surround the thumb clusters.

Cheers,

aggiejy · « **Reply #240 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 13:20:55 »

I'm in for a set!

NexusKaiser · « **Reply #241 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 22:23:07 »

Oh gosh that's so retro it's awesome! Definitely keeping my eye on this and you have my interest for a set in full coffee!

Krogenar · « **Reply #242 on:** Wed, 06 February 2013, 14:19:46 »

I don't own a keyboard that this set could be used on (BS and one ALPS keyboard) but I will buy one so that I can participate -- love those retro keys.

Matt3o · « **Reply #243 on:** Wed, 06 February 2013, 16:28:29 »

This is definitely going to happen, just a few more days to define the layout. It's impossible to make everyone happy of course. At the end the guy who is sorting and delivering is samwisekoi, so I need his opinion

Elrick · « **Reply #244 on:** Wed, 06 February 2013, 17:45:03 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Wed, 06 February 2013, 16:28:29

This is definitely going to happen, just a few more days to define the layout. It's impossible to make everyone happy of course. At the end the guy who is sorting and delivering is samwisekoi, so I need his opinion

Do that. Make sure he's happy to do it, because this can get ugly real fast.

Regardless of making everyone happy this is a real nice 'conservative' key-set. Everyone should get one.

NexusKaiser · « **Reply #245 on:** Wed, 06 February 2013, 20:30:27 »

If this does happen, are the 1.75x right shift keys still happening? Would love to get a set onto a KBT Pure I'm planning to get

Matt3o · « **Reply #246 on:** Thu, 07 February 2013, 01:50:16 »

Quote from: NexusKaiser on Wed, 06 February 2013, 20:30:27

If this does happen, are the 1.75x right shift keys still happening? Would love to get a set onto a KBT Pure I'm planning to get

you should have all the keys you need

Matt3o · « **Reply #247 on:** Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:25:55 »

Okay, after weeks of work and disputes here is what I think is a very good compromise.

Please take the time to review all the kits and report any error!

These are the standard kits
If you just need a TKL or winkeyless (+ISO variants +colemak/dvorak/...) that's all you need. Very noob friendly, you just have to remember to get the spacebar (we will be suggesting that in the order form). These should cover the 70% of the user cases I presume.

These are the extended kits
Being DSA a key family very modder friendly we decided to put all the following options. Please note that Ergodox is still possible by selecting the individual blank keys

This should be 99% final.

The only custom key is C64 one! We removed all the others because SP doesn't have molds for many custom keys in the DSA family. Sorry about that, if we receive a gargantuan amount of orders we might reintroduce some of them.

Note to samwisekoi: ALL keys come already sorted, you just have to put kits together and ship.

If this is going to be very popular we might add a white on blue option.

absyrd · « **Reply #248 on:** Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:28:35 »

Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:25:55

If this is going to be very popular we might add a white on blue option.

Add this and I'm in!

Krogenar · « **Reply #249 on:** Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:51:53 »

Quote from: absyrd on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:28:35

Quote from: Matt3o on Thu, 07 February 2013, 08:25:55
If this is going to be very popular we might add a white on blue option.

Add this and I'm in!

White on blue would be awesome. I like the coffee standard one already, but I would buy the white on blue as well.

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Author Topic: [IC] Universal spherical retro kit (standard, tkl, wkl. 75, 60, ergodox) (Read 78649 times)