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Title: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:41:07
Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll

Average screen size has increased dramatically over the years, so I think it's about time we can use larger Avatars on the forums. It's kinda ridiculous to keep using the same size avatars on a screen that has 6.75x the pixels... I think the left column is far too small on a standard 1080p monitor, so I think the maximum avatar size should be increased. What size does everyone think it should be increased to (if at all)? I personally think it should be increased to 184 pixels (like steam).

For comparison look at my current avatar size and my fullsize 184 pixel avatar below.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZmmGJ99.jpg)

Who else is with me on a 184 pixel maximum?

Survey Here: TAINTED

The options are as follows:
Yes, increase it to 184 pixels (like steam)
Yes, increase it to 175 pixels
Yes, increase it to 150 pixels
Yes, increase it to 125 pixels
NO! Leave it the **** alone you bastard! I use an old ass CRT!

Responses Here: TAINTED

This is just a discussion at this point, if most people don't mind it being bigger then I think it will be fine to increase the maximum size. Only if there is a good amount of opposition should it stay the same.

The poll has been tainted by people voting multiple times. I will only count posts from now on.

* My apologies if there are any mistakes as I tally the thread so far, just let me know.

Yes, increase it to 184 pixels (like steam): The_Ed, lazerpointer, Dubsgalore, moonprismpwr, tipo33, rarar, Lunartuna, Halverson, Tym, whiskerBox, Photekq, BunnyLake, inteli722, ray4jc, esoomenona, jdcarpe, foxer,

Yes, increase it to 175 pixels: gliy, ComradeSniper,

Yes, increase it to 150 pixels: calavera, Glissant, AGmurdercore, CPTBadAss,

Yes, increase it to 125 pixels: missalaire,

NO! Leave it the **** alone you bastard! I use an old ass CRT!: keymaster, sth, quickcrx702, hashbaz, baldgye, vun, Soarer, E TwentyNine, SmallFry, i3oilermaker, bavman, samwisekoi,

TROLLS: demik,

I think there are some very valid things that have come out of this poll.

1. An option to CHOOSE the size of avatar you see (if any at all, which is already an option). (With the maximum being 184 pixels to save on server space and loading times)
2. A fullsize Avatar and post in a user's profile to tell about oneself.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:43:51
I've got two 23" monitors. There's no need to have moonprismpwr's lovely work (my avatar) squished into a little 100x100 pixel box. More avatar please!!
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:43:54
Maybe I should have put a username requirement... I can't see who's making the votes... Post here if you voted.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:45:49
My avy never turns out right.

Could use moar pixels.

Voted.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:47:28
I love your Avatar lazerpointer! (FYI Laser is spelled with an S...)
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: keymaster on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:48:17
100x100 is bigger than most forums already. I think the current size is good enough.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:49:23
I see you use an old ass CRT...
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:50:05
I love your Avatar lazerpointer! (FYI Laser is spelled with an S...)

Ty  :)

I needed uniqueness. I am the only pointer of lazers  :cool:
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: keymaster on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:50:19
I see you use an old ass CRT...

Because I disagree with you? I use a 23" LED monitor.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:52:34
I see you use an old ass CRT...

Because I disagree with you? I use a 23" LED monitor.

[/sarcasm]

Lighten up a little.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:53:13
I voted btw ^__^
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 07 May 2013, 20:56:12
I voted for 184

i eventually want an avatar made from one of the lovely artists here on GH
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: sth on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:00:39
i'd really prefer they didnt change, or even were smaller... if you want to share some art then put a link in your sig.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:33:32
What is the current size? 100 pixels?
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: moonprismpwr on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:37:13
Voted :D It would be nice to have some more room for the more creative avatars
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tipo33 on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:37:14
I voted for 184,  That being said, CRT monitors still have the highest contrast ratio of any display technology, NO input lag, and come in UXGA resolutions.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:37:19
Yes, it's 100 pixels right now (which is puny).
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: missalaire on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:38:50
I wouldn't mind it being slightly larger. I think 184 pixels is a bit much though.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 07 May 2013, 21:42:47
I voted for 184,  That being said, CRT monitors still have the highest contrast ratio of any display technology, NO input lag, and come in UXGA resolutions.

I miss the days of Quake 3 arena on a regular old CRT. Best monitor ever.

If only I could get an affordable 16x9 CRT these days. That would be the best.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: calavera on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:02:31
I voted for just slight increase. Why clutter a text based forum with huge avatars?
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: gliy on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:17:29
I think 184 is a little big, but 175 would be a good middleground
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:32:22
voted 184
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:35:29
i vote we remove them.

i dont give a **** to see anybody's avatar.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:37:07
i vote we remove them.

i dont give a **** to see anybody's avatar.

Cmon uncle dolan, you can always use more girlshark in your face.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:37:45
besides girlshark*
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:41:43
I believe there is a button in the settings to not view them, demik. Also, if you use adblock, you can block avatars altogether.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:43:02
but that requires work :(
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:48:59
Jussssssss saying mang.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:51:47
Who actually looks at the Avatar?
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:53:42
Who actually looks at the Avatar?

seriously, i've agreed with you twice already.

i am not liking this one bit.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:53:54
I don't read the username, I associate with the avatar through my peripheral while reading. That's why I hate it when people keep changing their avatars...
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:54:05
Who actually looks at the Avatar?
everyone, also gratz on 3333 posts :)
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:57:11
Those who hate avatars altogether need to chill out. You can just check the box next to "Don't show users' avatars.".
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:58:16
I don't read the username, I associate with the avatar through my peripheral while reading. That's why I hate it when people keep changing their avatars...

Actually this is exactly how I work. Every time an avatar changes, I wonder who dafuq it is. And when everyone starts using the same avatar, I get confused as all hell.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 22:59:41
srsly
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:01:16
I just opened my inbox, thought I was messaging myself. You dirty slut!
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:01:23
We only have 17 votes so far, keep them coming!

Quote
Yes, increase it to 184 pixels (like steam)   11   65%
Yes, increase it to 175 pixels   1   6%
Yes, increase it to 150 pixels   1   6%
Yes, increase it to 125 pixels   1   6%
NO! Leave it the **** alone you bastard! I use an old ass CRT!   3   18%

srsly

Yes, seriously.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: bavman on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:01:31
I vote for 25x25 avatars upscale to 100x100 or 200x200.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:02:08
I just opened my inbox, thought I was messaging myself. You dirty slut!

read that as massaging myself!!
Title: Re: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:02:26
I just opened my inbox, thought I was messaging myself. You dirty slut!
LMAO!
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:03:53
I vote for 25x25 avatars upscale to 100x100 or 200x200.

That is not an option in this poll.

I just opened my inbox, thought I was messaging myself. You dirty slut!

read that as massaging myself!!

Seriously, get the **** out demik...
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:04:21
lmfao this thread.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:04:33
REPORT ME *****

also, this poll is a waste. mods/admins aren't going to do anything anyways.
Title: Re: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:04:42
I just opened my inbox, thought I was messaging myself. You dirty slut!

read that as massaging myself!!
I like massages.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:05:31
I will just say it here, I'm not going to vote, because I don't mind bigger, and I don't mind them the same. But I do enjoy having avatars. And as for avatarless people, they are few, so it's like they have an avatar anyway.

DAMN THESE SHARKS ARE EVERYWHERE!
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: bavman on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:05:34
someone had to do it.

If you look at the last 3 posts from this one its rotating counter clock wise
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:06:12
now if we could all post so it looks like we're doing a circle

or a backflip, or front flip.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:07:28
We have archived maximum potency. Post in circle gents! CIRCLE!
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:08:48
I'm backwards.....and joining in the shark spam....
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:09:38
olololol get on my level
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: bavman on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:10:00
Ha look at demik in the middle
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:10:30
all we needed is for barca to post to complete the circle!!!

DAMN IT NOW WE MUST START AGAIN
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: bavman on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:11:52
GO
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:12:39
gogo
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:13:34
Fack. Circle screwed up.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:13:59
ok whats the order supposed to be?
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:14:38
WE DID IT (KINDA, CLOSE ENOUGH W/E)

our supreme leader hal couldn't make it, so he sent his on acid replacement rarar to fill in the spot.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:15:14
WE DID IT (KINDA, CLOSE ENOUGH W/E)

our supreme leader hal couldn't make it, so he sent his on acid replacement rarar to fill in the spot.
huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrduuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:15:16
Page is loading all weird, avatars getting all smushed...so odd. Maybe it's a sign.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:16:30
This seems successful :P
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: quickcrx702 on Tue, 07 May 2013, 23:56:50
I have dual IPS monitors with 2560x1440 resolution, and voted to leave things alone.  Then again, I don't have an avatar and am too lazy to create one.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:09:27
So people having bigger avatars would bother you on those huge screens?...

That's 3 No's in an hour... That has dropped the Yes percentage drastically...
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:36:15
OK, someone is abusing the poll. When multiple No's come 26 seconds apart you know it's the same person.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:38:31
Avatar size. It's a big deal.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:40:05
Avatar size. It's a big deal.
froshizzles.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:43:49
Even if I make a new poll that asks for a username input, people could just put other people's valid usernames and vote as them... We REALLY need forum based polls again to verify identities.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Lunartuna on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:47:30
I like avatars.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:48:41
lol @ this thread.  Let's take it easy in here.

I think the avatars are about the right size, personally.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:49:24
This poll has now been completely tainted by people voting multiple times...

I will be counting post votes and using that instead now.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: bavman on Wed, 08 May 2013, 00:56:08
This poll has now been completely tainted by people voting multiple times...

I will be counting post votes and using that instead now.

There's really no way to get a legitimate poll unless GH re-introduces that section or you do a public vote, and have something like "50 posts and above only" so people can't register new accounts to vote.
IMO this isn't a big enough deal to go through all that trouble, unless you really want it (and assuming iMav would be willing to make the change).
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: ComradeSniper on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:16:22
All the avatars are large enough that I can tell what they are, but I wouldn't be bothered if they grew a bit. 184px does seem a little huge though. I'd prefer a smaller increase if there is one at all.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:18:45
I'll put you down as 175 then.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:21:07
They do look pretty small on my laptops 17" screen, I think they may be nice being a bit bigger. On my main computer it's not a big deal, but here bigger is better.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:24:56
So what should I put you as?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:25:43
So what should I put you as?

Just put me at the biggest, just because they can be the biggest, doesn't mean I have to do it myself. And I don't mind them being bigger either.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:28:11
OK, I'll put you in 184 then.

Alright POST your votes from now on people.

To those that kept doing multiple votes, **** you. (I'm a bit cranky right now...)

Even with somebody doing multiple no's there was still a majority at 184.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Grim Fandango on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:43:57
I voted for just slight increase. Why clutter a text based forum with huge avatars?

I agree with this. Avatars are nice, but if they hinder the practical use of the forum in any way, then they are too big. Slightly bigger may be nice, but I do not see a reason to make these kind of things so big, that when someone posts a single line of text, the height of avatar and signature take up 7 inches on a 1080p 24 inch monitor like in some forums.

If they are allowed to be bigger, ideally there should be some user option to scale them back.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Tym on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:45:20
Yes, increase it to 184 pixels
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:46:52
Not to be a debbie downer or anything, but didn't we just have the opposite of this discussion with signatures less than a week ago about how a 100pix sig was just way too big for most posts?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 01:59:34
184
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: jcrouse on Wed, 08 May 2013, 02:11:15
Get rid of all avatars.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 02:15:25
100x100 is the standard and a good size, I see no reason why you'd want to change that.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 02:17:01
I do like your argument though for bigger avys is just 'I think they should be bigger' and that's it lol
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 04:15:09
I made this to show the difference in size (from left to right) 200x200, 150x150, 100x100:
[attachimg=1]


I would like to have an option to show either no avatars, 100x100 or 150x150. I think 184 would be too big for me.


So I vote 150x150, simply because I don't think the extra 50 pixels will impact post size much: if at all.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: AGmurdercore on Wed, 08 May 2013, 04:18:16
I agree for 150!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 08 May 2013, 05:07:42
Yes, increase it to 184 pixels.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 08 May 2013, 05:52:49
This is just a discussion at this point, if most people don't mind it being bigger then I think it will be fine to increase the maximum size. Only if there is a good amount of opposition should it stay the same.
I like how you make decisions for the forum as a whole :)

EDIT: Did you make one of these threads over at deskthortiy yet? They have a 64 pixels x 64 pixels avatar setting atm
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 08 May 2013, 06:00:19
I would like to see 184x184 but I don't think we have the real estate to properly show both avatar and posts. So I'll agree with Glissbro and vote for 150x150. Also, ALL HAIL THE SHARK
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 08 May 2013, 06:03:59
While it doesn't hinder you people with a 1080 or a 1440 monitor but it will hurt the low resolution users if you increase the avatar size

On the other hand it doesn't hinder anyone by leaving it the same, hmmm...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 08 May 2013, 06:07:22
yes to 184
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: vun on Wed, 08 May 2013, 06:27:10
I don't see why we would need them larger. They already serve their function, and making them any larger would be a waste of space. If anything I'd like them to be smaller.

Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 06:58:16
So people having bigger avatars would bother you on those huge screens?...

why does screen size matter? It adds nothing to make avy's bigger and only makes the forum look worse...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 07:51:35
Just... no. They are fine as they are.

Hope the admins simply ignore this 'poll', because it's unlikely to represent the majority.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: E TwentyNine on Wed, 08 May 2013, 07:59:22
OK, someone is abusing the poll. When multiple No's come 26 seconds apart you know it's the same person.

I'm guessing you didn't think someone was abusing the poll when multiple yes votes were sent in a short time period?

Put me down as "no", having it larger would remind me of those boards where everyone has a graphical sig that are larger than the content of their posts.

At the least if larger ones are allowed, make it a user setting for what size avatars are shown.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:13:17
I'd go for 184px on my avatar.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:27:01
Most of my avatars from other forums are already ~ 180x180 so I don't see why 184px would be any different.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:32:20
Wait, where is this poll? I vote for leaving them the same size.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:42:01
More than anything, I'd like some better compression/resizing. I can hardly tell what my avatar is!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: i3oilermaker on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:42:40
I vote to leave it the same.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:46:47
I'm glad the admin/mod team knows that the current avatar size is sufficient. The one thing you did prove with this thread, OP, is that the forum needs the option to create a poll thread.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:52:28
Keymaster, pre-R00tworm polls were allowed. Ripster and Microsoft Windows mainly used them for trolling, so they were done away with. Google Docs was the supplement that seemed most viable as most people either have a Google account or know how to fill in a form. :P 
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:53:15
I think we should have unlimited size avatars. Or 320x320.

But implement an option in "Look and Layout" to limit avatar size to Unlimited, 150, 100, 64, or off.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 08:58:06
I think we should have unlimited size avatars. Or 320x320.

But implement an option in "Look and Layout" to limit avatar size to Unlimited, 150, 100, 64, or off.
I don't think that's a good idea. To do that, you would have to keep a fullsized avatar for everyone, and have it resized through code. This would mean there would need to be ~30 or so fullsize images to load per page, along with images or videos on the page. I think maybe a max size, like 184, then your option to limit size via the users' settings is a good middle ground.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: bavman on Wed, 08 May 2013, 09:08:48
I think it should be left at 100x100. Any higher will make mobile browsing harder. But maybe allow them to be expanded to original size, or at least a larger size from the person's profile page
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 09:11:31
I think it should be left at 100x100. Any higher will make mobile browsing harder. But maybe allow them to be expanded to original size, or at least a larger size from the person's profile page

agreed, though I don't see any benefit to making avatars bigger...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 08 May 2013, 09:17:03
I find them distracting, especially when I view this forum on my tablet, so I reduced the size of my avatar.

Is there an option to vote for "smaller, please"?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 08 May 2013, 09:18:45
I find them distracting, especially when I view this forum on my tablet, so I reduced the size of my avatar.

Is there an option to vote for "smaller, please"?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)


You guys should be making these type of polls anyway to avoid bias.

"hurr if you don't want a giant avatar you must be using an old CRT durr"
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 May 2013, 11:17:05
I find them distracting, especially when I view this forum on my tablet, so I reduced the size of my avatar.

Is there an option to vote for "smaller, please"?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)


You guys should be making these type of polls anyway to avoid bias.

"hurr if you don't want a giant avatar you must be using an old CRT durr"

if it weren't for the fact that CRTs might actually burn out retinas, I'd still be using one...

FW900..
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:14:41
The benefit of making avatars bigger, at least for me is to show off the art that my lovely wife makes for me. I also like to see people's creative and fun avatars.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:15:53
The benefit of making avatars bigger, at least for me is to show off the art that my lovely wife makes for me. I also like to see people's creative and fun avatars.

same as above
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: moonprismpwr on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:30:37
The benefit of making avatars bigger, at least for me is to show off the art that my lovely wife makes for me. I also like to see people's creative and fun avatars.

<3 <3 !
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:33:00
Consider it a challenge then, to express yourself in 10,000 pixels or less - tp4 manages :p

BunnyLake's av works great apart from the (IMO pointless) fancy script username - would even 184x184 be enough to see that clearly?~!

Being able to add a decent res pic to our profiles would be good, since that's where you get to if you click on an avatar. Or even something fancier - I wonder if it would be easy to add a post there, then you could add all kinds of stuff with the normal post editing features.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:39:38
I think there are some very valid things that have come out of this poll.

1. An option to CHOOSE the size of avatar you see (if any at all, which is already an option). (With the maximum being 184 pixels to save on server space and loading times)
2. A fullsize Avatar and post in a user's profile to tell about oneself.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: foxer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:47:32
Hell yeah! Make dat sh1t bigger man. More people need to see my little orangutan. <3
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:49:46
As someone who runs several forums like this, and has had to do the customizing of themes and such for them, I can tell you, this is a bad idea that can lead to a lot of small problems.

First, you cannot leave the size up to the user... not without a lot of programming.

Second, changing the avatar, shifts the entire table. While that sounds minimal, it can push over all sorts of things and cause wrapping in places you don't expect. The whole left column is dictated by name size and avatar size, and that collumn aligns the rest of the page.

Once you set that in a theme, you don't mess with it unless you intend to make adjustments to everything else because that 30 second size change, can create 4 hours of work to adjust everything to compensate and on some themes it just never works right even after 8 hours of work. Been there, done that.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:54:11
The post content column is auto-sized... Why would changing the left column mess that up?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 May 2013, 15:57:46
I think you guys just need to wait for Internet HD... we're simply not there yet in terms of latency/ bandwidth.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:06:03
I primarily view the forum on 1440p, and I think most peoples avatars look fine. If you feel your avatar looks bad at the current size, you chose a poopy avatar.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: longweight on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:07:39
Or they could just stay the same size and not take up too much room.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:08:19
The benefit of making avatars bigger, at least for me is to show off the art that my lovely wife makes for me. I also like to see people's creative and fun avatars.

Sounds like she needs a blog...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:11:50
The benefit of making avatars bigger, at least for me is to show off the art that my lovely wife makes for me. I also like to see people's creative and fun avatars.
I think her art is great too but with that being said

http://www.deviantart.com/
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: longweight on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:12:46
Exactly, this forum is about keyboards not showing off your avatar.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:13:30
The benefit of making avatars bigger, at least for me is to show off the art that my lovely wife makes for me. I also like to see people's creative and fun avatars.
I think her art is great too but with that being said

http://www.deviantart.com/

lol'd... really though, why is it over the past few days people have been in sudden demand of massive sigs and avys? Over-sized images tagged to every single post you make only clutter up a forum, make it look a mess and only really serve to obscure the content.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:13:46
When I uploaded my avatar, I tried uploading fullsize, and thought it looked bad, but thought maybe it was because it had to resize such a large picture. So I cropped it myself down to the 100px limit. Here is a comparison: on the left is one I cropped on my own, and on the right is how it looks after being uploaded (zoomed in, of course). You lose a lot of detail.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: longweight on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:16:31
Looks fine at the forum's avatar size.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:18:41
When I uploaded my avatar, I tried uploading fullsize, and thought it looked bad, but thought maybe it was because it had to resize such a large picture. So I cropped it myself down to the 100px limit. Here is a comparison: on the left is one I cropped on my own, and on the right is how it looks after being uploaded (zoomed in, of course). You lose a lot of detail.

(Attachment Link)

It depends on what you're going for.. down sampling MUST lose detail..  The first picture has been over-sharpened to "enhance" details at low res, but it is actually NOT the accurate downsample..

however, this is another one of those preference issues.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:21:54
She can have her art all over the internet, I would still like to show off what she does.

Yes this is a keyboard related forum, so I guess you shouldn't talk about anything or show anything but keyboard related stuff then, longweight.

Bottom line is I like to see avatars, and I want them to be a little bigger.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: moonprismpwr on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:24:00

Yes this is a keyboard related forum, so I guess you shouldn't talk about anything or show anything but keyboard related stuff then, longweight.


Let him sit next to negative nancy on the bitter bus xD

If you're going to go on about that then I hope I don't see you posting in anything off-topic or not keyboard related, since you've got a vendetta against it.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:24:16
I want them to be a little bigger.

But why, how would that benefit anyone? It's not as though there are barely viewable now is it.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:25:11
They ARE barely visible...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: moonprismpwr on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:25:18
I want them to be a little bigger.

But why, how would that benefit anyone? It's not as though there are barely viewable now is it.

Someone could also argue the opposite. It's a preference. It would benefit whomever prefers it to be that way.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:29:40
They ARE barely visible...

I want them to be a little bigger.

But why, how would that benefit anyone? It's not as though there are barely viewable now is it.

Someone could also argue the opposite. It's a preference. It would benefit whomever prefers it to be that way.

Argue on what basis, I like it therefor I want it?
It would make the forum look and function worse because there would be more dead space being used by essentially meaningless images. You could better argue that peoples usernames should be bigger so its more clear who is posting.

It makes no sense and simply saying but I want it isn't an argument that adults should really be having....

They ARE barely visible...

I think you should see an optician, as I can see your mostly black avatar from the other side of my room when using my laptop.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:34:01
Technically, there is deadspace as it is. Roughly 40px based on Glissant's setup, the space between the end of the avatar and the end of text that is possible to fit under location or personal text. Why shouldn't an avatar at least extend out to that limit?

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:34:40
baldgye, more pixels = easier to see what's actually in the image. It will also allow for more of an image to show without it being too small.
Define what you mean by the forum functioning worse with a slightly bigger avatar?
Look is subjective.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:35:57
Technically, there is deadspace as it is. Roughly 40px based on Glissant's setup, the space between the end of the avatar and the end of text that is possible to fit under location or personal text. Why shouldn't an avatar at least extend out to that limit?

(Attachment Link)

If it dsnt actually impede the size of that column then I have no problem with it, but I'm guessing that space is there for a reason, though I'd still prefer smaller avatars as they have a smaller footprint
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: longweight on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:37:17
She can have her art all over the internet, I would still like to show off what she does.

Yes this is a keyboard related forum, so I guess you shouldn't talk about anything or show anything but keyboard related stuff then, longweight.

Bottom line is I like to see avatars, and I want them to be a little bigger.


Awesome.
Title: Re: Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:42:45
I don't read the username, I associate with the avatar through my peripheral while reading. That's why I hate it when people keep changing their avatars...

Actually this is exactly how I work. Every time an avatar changes, I wonder who dafuq it is. And when everyone starts using the same avatar, I get confused as all hell.

that's how i work too haha

Some people change their avatar way too much, and it takes a few days to learn to associate their new avatar with their username
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:43:57
baldgye, more pixels = easier to see what's actually in the image. It will also allow for more of an image to show without it being too small.
Define what you mean by the forum functioning worse with a slightly bigger avatar?
Look is subjective.

seenin as we on first name turns now...

Glissant, having simply larger images would yes allow it to be seen by people with very bad vision, though they would then struggle to actually use the rest of the forum... and I guess you should try more forums where they allow massive avys and sigs and they are a MESS... people's posts are usually half the size of either there avy and or sig so most of a forum page is made up of massive images with only 50 words though out the page. It looks a mess and depending on the size of the forum and the servers they use can take time to load.. for basically no real reason.

I guess 'look' is subjective, but functionality really isn't. I'd argue that a site like Teamliquid functions better than say mgsforums. mgsf seemingly allow massive sigs and large avys, there forum is slow and the actual forum pages are a cluttered mess. TL don't allow sigs of anything really other than one line of text and dont allow you to choose an avy its just a tiny image of either a protoss/zerg/terran unit thats from broodwar... and there forum pages load fast and the actual content is what's imporant rather than people's super cool avys and massive sig's...

I'm not saying that TL is some amazing design achievement that all forums should try and mimic, but I do feel that if your avy is actually good enough in its design it should be able to stand up at 100x100 px... if it dsnt, then its a bad avy and simply allowing another 80 or so px's wont really change that in any way.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: peachesenregalia on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:46:34
I'm okay with any increase that doesn't alter the layout.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:49:07
simply allowing another 80 24,000 or so px's wont really change that in any way.

Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:49:28
And again I ask (as I did with the signatures), if you don't like seeing people's avatars, and/or want to limit their size, WHY NOT JUST TURN THEM OFF?!?!

I think some people just like being contrarian.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: longweight on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:50:20
This just isn't an issue is it?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:51:05
And again I ask (as I did with the signatures), if you don't like seeing people's avatars, and/or want to limit their size, WHY NOT JUST TURN THEM OFF?!?!

I think some people just like being contrarian.

But for avatars that's an even dumber solution as people (me included) see attach those avatars to people rather than there random ass name.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:53:28
Technically, there is deadspace as it is. Roughly 40px based on Glissant's setup, the space between the end of the avatar and the end of text that is possible to fit under location or personal text. Why shouldn't an avatar at least extend out to that limit?

If it dsnt actually impede the size of that column then I have no problem with it, but I'm guessing that space is there for a reason, though I'd still prefer smaller avatars as they have a smaller footprint

There is about 160 pixels of width there.  It will vary a bit by platform and browser, depending on how your browser renders and estimates fonts.  That extra margin is mainly there to reserve space for large user names.  I recently added some code to handle those better and shrank the margin a bit to recover the dead space.  The margin width is not driven in any way by the size of the avatar, so that argument is moot.  If we suddenly allowed 184x184 pixel avatars, they would be chopped-off by the current margin.

While avatars are fun, they should not take away from the real content of the forum: the posts.  I don't think we'd ever want avatars to bump right up to the post content.  It will just make it harder to read.

When I uploaded my avatar, I tried uploading fullsize, and thought it looked bad, but thought maybe it was because it had to resize such a large picture. So I cropped it myself down to the 100px limit. Here is a comparison: on the left is one I cropped on my own, and on the right is how it looks after being uploaded (zoomed in, of course). You lose a lot of detail.

This is a separate problem...a bug in SMF.  The avatar handling code is a bit of a mess, especially where GIFs are concerned.  I have some fixes pending to address that and prevent avatars that meet the limits from being re-encoded.  They had their reasons for doing this, but I don't think it's worth it.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:55:03
Technically, there is deadspace as it is. Roughly 40px based on Glissant's setup, the space between the end of the avatar and the end of text that is possible to fit under location or personal text. Why shouldn't an avatar at least extend out to that limit?

If it dsnt actually impede the size of that column then I have no problem with it, but I'm guessing that space is there for a reason, though I'd still prefer smaller avatars as they have a smaller footprint

There is about 160 pixels of width there.  It will vary a bit by platform and browser, depending on how your browser renders and estimates fonts.  That extra margin is mainly there to reserve space for large user names.  I recently added some code to handle those better and shrank the margin a bit to recover the dead space.  The margin width is not driven in any way by the size of the avatar, so that argument is moot.  If we suddenly allowed 184x184 pixel avatars, they would be chopped-off by the current margin.

While avatars are fun, they should not take away from the real content of the forum: the posts.  I don't think we'd ever want avatars to bump right up to the post content.  It will just make it harder to read.

Fair enough, I guessed there would be a reason for that space but as I can't code for **** (and had nothing to do with making this forum) so I was just guessing :P
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:55:47
When I uploaded my avatar, I tried uploading fullsize, and thought it looked bad, but thought maybe it was because it had to resize such a large picture. So I cropped it myself down to the 100px limit. Here is a comparison: on the left is one I cropped on my own, and on the right is how it looks after being uploaded (zoomed in, of course). You lose a lot of detail.

This is a separate problem...a bug in SMF.  The avatar handling code is a bit of a mess, especially where GIFs are concerned.  I have some fixes pending to address that and prevent avatars that meet the limits from being re-encoded.  They had their reasons for doing this, but I don't think it's worth it.

Thank you, sir! That would be great.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:56:13
To the not bald fellow that has bald in his name:

What was that first comment about? I guess I'll not use your handle when talking to you.

I am and have been a member of all kinds of forums that have all kinds of avatar sizes. I still prefer a little bigger than smaller ones. I don't find it bothersome if people post short posts. Load will not be massive increased by some avatars being 150x150 instead of 100x100.

This is geekhack, and again I am sure the server would not slow down because of this change.
The clutter aspect is yet again a very subjective aspect. And you are free to disable avatars at any time. There's an option for that.




rknize, so you're saying there is no real reason in continuing to defend my personal view? ;).
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 08 May 2013, 16:56:57
There is about 160 pixels of width there.  It will vary a bit by platform and browser, depending on how your browser renders and estimates fonts.  That extra margin is mainly there to reserve space for large user names.  I recently added some code to handle those better and shrank the margin a bit to recover the dead space.  The margin width is not driven in any way by the size of the avatar, so that argument is moot.  If we suddenly allowed 184x184 pixel avatars, they would be chopped-off by the current margin.

While avatars are fun, they should not take away from the real content of the forum: the posts.  I don't think we'd ever want avatars to bump right up to the post content.  It will just make it harder to read.

So we could have 150x150px, and still have about 10px of padding there?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:01:05
The clutter aspect is yet again a very subjective aspect. And you are free to disable avatars at any time. There's an option for that.

So, in a forum you controlled, avatars would either be big (150x150+) or totally disabled ?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:04:15
Are you trying to be ignorant or does it just come naturally?
I said there is an option to disable avatars if you want. In an ideal world I would like to have two choices. everything up to 150x150 and disabled.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:06:40
Are you trying to be ignorant or does it just come naturally?

Well ...I guess I'm done here.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:10:38
Even bumping it up to 150x150 is a lot. Isn't it crazy that a small 50px increase in two planes more than doubles the content of a 100x100px image?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:11:56
And again I ask (as I did with the signatures), if you don't like seeing people's avatars, and/or want to limit their size, WHY NOT JUST TURN THEM OFF?!?!

I think some people just like being contrarian.

Bollocks!

I happily turn off sigs, but NOT avatars, I like them and they don't break the reading flow.

I just don't want them any bigger.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:12:04
esoomenona, yeah it's a huge difference really, but it's also the max amount I would go for if we got the option. If we don't get the option that really isn't a problem ;) .
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:15:11
I think any change should be a majority decision. Get 11350 'yes' votes and I'll STFU.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:16:52
To be fair, it took like 3 to change sigs
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:19:13
Well, if 1 of those was an admin... democracy is out the window!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:22:31
Re-Vote for Dubs: 150

Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:38:06
No.  I prefer the smaller avatar icons.

I'd also vote for the option to read posts with no icons or profile info, as an alternate view.  That way I can turn off the panel to the left and see posts as a list.

Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: E TwentyNine on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:48:34
No.  I prefer the smaller avatar icons.

I'd also vote for the option to read posts with no icons or profile info, as an alternate view.  That way I can turn off the panel to the left and see posts as a list.

As a workaround, hit the print button in the lower right corner...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 08 May 2013, 17:51:20
No.  I prefer the smaller avatar icons.

I'd also vote for the option to read posts with no icons or profile info, as an alternate view.  That way I can turn off the panel to the left and see posts as a list.

As a workaround, hit the print button in the lower right corner...

Yes, like that!  Except with the gray/orange color scheme...

Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:02:03
Well, if 1 of those was an admin... democracy is out the window!

To be fair, the sig rules were a little unclear.  The restrictions that we had in mind were not very effective, so I tried to fix it.

In case you haven't noticed I've been going around fixing bugs and adding features that were in our backlog. This was simply one of them.  Admittedly, it caused more drama than I expected.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Soarer on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:09:11
Well, if 1 of those was an admin... democracy is out the window!

To be fair, the sig rules were a little unclear.  The restrictions that we had in mind were not very effective, so I tried to fix it.

In case you haven't noticed I've been going around fixing bugs and adding features that were in our backlog. This was simply one of them.  Admittedly, it caused more drama than I expected.

Ach, you didn't get my drift... my aging memory recalls iMav saying that GH was "not a democracy" :D
(and nor should it be... expensive things, democracies!)
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:15:29
Heh...well that is true where iMav is concerned. :))

I meant to quote sir Klaxon there.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:25:32
So uh... /me grabs popcorn.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Glissant on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:31:05
You're way too late for the show, SmallFry ;).
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:31:26
Let's get back to avatars...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:47:37
Quote
TROLLS: demik,

LOL

topic is still stupid and will go nowhere.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:52:26
Quote
TROLLS: demik,

LOL

topic is still stupid and will go nowhere.

You only wish you could make that avatar bigger! (Actually I think my avatar is the only pic I could find and it's no bigger really)

And I am sad, your avatar is cooler than mine. You're like Girlshark 2.0
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 18:54:53
impossible! nobody can be cooler than the original.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:07:03
Notice how it skews Halverson's post? It looks bad and makes it harder to read.

Now imagine it doing that, all the way down the page and it varies depending on their avatar.


This isn't an exaggeration, it's actually what you would get by simply upping max avatar size.
I scaled Halverson's avatar and pushed over the post how it will actually look. Yes, you can set the column to a single size, however it;s not as easy to do as you think, and changing that one table setting, can have REALLY strange repercussions if that same setting is used someplace else, which is what happens a lot when using stylesheets, which the forum does use.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:09:07
You have unnecessary padding... The padding is there for the words, not the avatar...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:09:40
Leslieann has a good point. The only way it would work is if it was changed to a column size as wide as our avatars. Maybe someone who actually would be working on this, if it happens, chime in on this issue.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:15:19
You have unnecessary padding... The padding is there for the words, not the avatar...
You are severely over simplifying this.

If you reduce the padding so Halversons's doesn't push things over, you also reduce the padding on all of the others, possibly skewing the entire thing to the left, without actually accomplishing anything at all. Not only that, I haven't seen a padding tag for text. You can pad an image or table, but not JUST text... In which case ANYTHING that gets close to the table is going to push the cell over.

Again, stylesheets, you cannot just randomly change padding in one thing without fear of it changing padding on something else.


I have setup and themed almost half a dozen sites like this. It's not that easy. I;m not saying it can't be done, but that it's not as simple as to just go into a setting and change it.

Plus, every forum update, now has to have that change added to it manually.



Oh, and not everyone is reading from an HD screen...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 19:21:08
When you change the maximum avatar size, it will change the left column size accordingly. Then it will all be uniform.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: sth on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:04:15
Bollocks!
I happily turn off sigs, but NOT avatars, I like them and they don't break the reading flow.
I just don't want them any bigger.

hear hear

you want to display art, take it somewhere appropriate.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: E TwentyNine on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:04:29
Are you running Firefox or Chrome?  Hold down the CTRL key, mousewheel up until the avatars are as big as you like.  Problem solved.  :D
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:09:11
Zooming in just makes ugly pixels...
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rarar on Wed, 08 May 2013, 20:27:56
Are you running Firefox or Chrome?  Hold down the CTRL key, mousewheel up until the avatars are as big as you like.  Problem solved.  :D
pixelation
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 08 May 2013, 21:09:33
When you change the maximum avatar size, it will change the left column size accordingly. Then it will all be uniform.
No, it doesn't, column width is an independent setting and each post has it's own table, which is why you get that staggered look like I posted.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 May 2013, 21:17:09
When you change the maximum avatar size, it will change the left column size accordingly. Then it will all be uniform.
No, it doesn't, column width is an independent setting and each post has it's own table, which is why you get that staggered look like I posted.


I don't see any problem with staggered.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 21:25:37
Perhaps I was unclear. When you choose the maximum size for avatars it will also change the size of the left column for all posts. Thus it will be uniform. The avatar wont be changing the size of an individual posts left column. The choice of maximum size will be what changes it for everything.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:31:56
Perhaps I was unclear. When you choose the maximum size for avatars it will also change the size of the left column for all posts. Thus it will be uniform. The avatar wont be changing the size of an individual posts left column. The choice of maximum size will be what changes it for everything.

That's not how style sheets work I'm afraid, at least with these templates.  The left margin object has a specific width to give the interface a consistent look.  It is not like an HTML table.  This is what a 200x200 avatar looks like on the dev site:

[attachimg=1]

Also, I forgot about some of the other padding that comes from the nested style sheets.  The avatar itself currently has about 136 pixels.  That can be modified of course, but I just wanted to point out that the technical details behind this are not as simple as you think.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:57:19
The option to change the maximum avatar size would change that left margin object's specific width depending on your choice of size. So the left column will have a different size for each of the choices.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:58:20
Sounds fun.

Official poll is here:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43268.0
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:58:56
The option to change the maximum avatar size would change that left margin object's specific width depending on your choice of size. So the left column will have a different size for each of the choices.

It's literally like you aren't reading what he's saying at all.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:03:19
The option to change the maximum avatar size would change that left margin object's specific width depending on your choice of size. So the left column will have a different size for each of the choices.

It's literally like you aren't reading what he's saying at all.

I think what he wants is a user-configurable settings that will then scale avatars down to whatever size each user wants.  While it is technically possible, it is a feature that is unlikely to matter to a majority of people.  It would require quite a few site code changes, not to mention a database schema change.  I'll add it to the list, but it would be a very low priority given everything else that is there.

TL;DR: this probably won't happen any time soon.

In the meantime, lets vote on what the hard-limit should be:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43268.0
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: F u r u y á on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:09:29
I'm in favor of prioritizing content (replies and information) in detriment of meta-content (avatar, signature, etc). So my vote is No, regardless of the monitor technology! I think that in that regard Deskthority has a very good layout.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: tufty on Thu, 09 May 2013, 06:15:34
I vote for leaving it alone, removing them entirely, or selecting them randomly.

Mainly for leaving them alone, though.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 09 May 2013, 08:21:52
Please change my vote to 150..
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:27:57
I'm in favor of prioritizing content (replies and information) in detriment of meta-content (avatar, signature, etc). So my vote is No, regardless of the monitor technology! I think that in that regard Deskthority has a very good layout.

Please change my vote to 150..

I vote for leaving it alone, removing them entirely, or selecting them randomly.

Mainly for leaving them alone, though.

Official poll:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43268.0
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:29:28
Do we have polls back for good? :D
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:32:46
Yes, we have enabled them on a trial basis.  To keep the trolling in check, they are limited to admin and mods for now.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:34:08
Rkinze, you've been on a real tear with the forum updates. Thank you ^__^

Fold and Multi-quote are soooo nice and I like the polls
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:35:09
So if we wished to have a poll, we would start a thread, PM a mod with the poll options we want, and they would put one up for us?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 09 May 2013, 09:35:50
Yes, we have enabled them on a trial basis.  To keep the trolling in check, they are limited to admin and mods for now.
Boo!
/me tries to create a poll to allow polls for other pollers. :P
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: rknize on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:01:01
Rkinze, you've been on a real tear with the forum updates. Thank you ^__^

Fold and Multi-quote are soooo nice and I like the polls

Your welcome!  Sorry it has taken so long to starting getting momentum on this.  We spent a lot of time on the backend (especially iMav) and then everyone just took a break.  More front end changes are coming.

So if we wished to have a poll, we would start a thread, PM a mod with the poll options we want, and they would put one up for us?

The main reason for bringing back polls was so that the community could vote on topics pertaining to the site in a more official way.  After the drama about signatures, it became apparent that such changes are better handled this way.

If you wish to start a poll, you can PM a mod.  We left them disabled when we relaunched because of the rampant trolling we had before.  To keep from peppering the site with a lot of obscure and tangential polls, we'd like to keep the subject matter focused on improving GeekHack for now.

Yes, we have enabled them on a trial basis.  To keep the trolling in check, they are limited to admin and mods for now.
Boo!
/me tries to create a poll to allow polls for other pollers. :P

Thanks for making my point!  :)

Edit: I'd also like to point out that there is nothing stopping anyone from starting offsite polls about whatever they want.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:18:29
Heh. You don't think I'm the #1 keyboard expert in the world?
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:24:15
Vote in my new poll here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qMHvjJ-BfoqxEHT7HXhTCOHRpOuN_uEx7eEEmaD7TQM/viewform).


Username not required! GOGOGO!

I fixed that, SmallChilliFry. ;)
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 09 May 2013, 10:30:02
Username not required! GOGOGO!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Thu, 09 May 2013, 12:01:45
Vote in my new poll here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1qMHvjJ-BfoqxEHT7HXhTCOHRpOuN_uEx7eEEmaD7TQM/viewform).


Username not required! GOGOGO!

I fixed that, SmallChilliFry. ;)

How do I see the results jdcarpe? I voted BTW.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 09 May 2013, 12:21:03
Voted in the other thread
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 14 May 2013, 22:54:40
It went through The_Ed! I voted 184 too a couple days back and it seems like it's there now!

I love it!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Tue, 14 May 2013, 23:46:39
It went through The_Ed! I voted 184 too a couple days back and it seems like it's there now!

I love it!

184 didn't win, 150 did. And the poll is still open, so if you know others that like it send them to the poll to keep the larger avatars.
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 14 May 2013, 23:47:38
184 didn't win, 150 did. And the poll is still open, so if you know others that like it send them to the poll to keep the larger avatars.

Oh... I shall attempt to do so!
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: whiteduck on Wed, 15 May 2013, 16:09:51
MOAAAR PIXELS!!!
Yes, increase it to 184 pixel or 150 pixel
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: The_Ed on Wed, 15 May 2013, 16:10:55
MOAAAR PIXELS!!!
Yes, increase it to 184 pixel or 150 pixel

You have to vote in the "Official" thread -> http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43268.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43268.0)
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 15 May 2013, 16:11:09
MOAAAR PIXELS!!!
Yes, increase it to 184 pixel or 150 pixel

Yeeeaaah! You should increase your whiteduck avatar now to the current 150 limit ;D
Title: Re: [REVOTE!] Increase Maximum Avatar Size Poll
Post by: whiteduck on Wed, 15 May 2013, 16:12:47
MOAAAR PIXELS!!!
Yes, increase it to 184 pixel or 150 pixel

Yeeeaaah! You should increase your whiteduck avatar now to the current 150 limit ;D

I'm about to send a message to moon shortly for a custom avatar so no need!!! <3