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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: tjcaustin on Tue, 18 June 2013, 23:18:25
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Recently, Lbeuol began disputing multiple paypal payments he had authorized over the prior 6 weeks. After disputing both a group buy and charity donation he paid to me as "unauthorized transactions", he continued to silently browse the forum while ignoring my requests for information as to why he would do that instead of contacting me first.
Also, paypal shut down the account he was using to commit to these items and then fraudulently create claims to receive his money back.
Avoid this...person at all costs when money is involved as he is a grade-f scam artist in my eyes now.
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Hm, odd. I don't see anything odd with my transaction with him. Will keep an eye out.
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Hm, odd. I don't see anything odd with my transaction with him. Will keep an eye out.
At this point, you won't as the account has been deleted.
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Bumping this with a major update... The chargeback just happened to me, as well.
This surely won't be good.
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Bumping this with a major update... The chargeback just happened to me, as well.
This surely won't be good.
Weird
Best of luck to you. Considering some stuff I think should be kept private until I get the go ahead from who told me, it doesn't surprise me.
Oh wait, he did it to me again after paypal found in my favor once already. By instituting a chargeback through his CC.
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You can PM it to me, if you'd like. :) I've got my evidence in, now it's all in what Paypal responds with. Sigh.
First set of meebcaps shouldn't have gone this way. :'(
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You can PM it to me, if you'd like. :) I've got my evidence in, now it's all in what Paypal responds with. Sigh.
First set of meebcaps shouldn't have gone this way. :'(
Yeah, I'm betting he's being vindictive now. What the **** ever.
Way to prove me right, lbeuol.
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This mother****er hit me with one too. What a dirty bastard. And he got some good deals from me. A real shame... How do I handle this with PayPal? I have PMs and thread posts and such.
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Hope everything works out for anyone that had transactions with him. Maybe we should compile a small list of the few scum bags on here.
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The chargeback happened to me as well.
I replied paypal with a tracking information and a description of the item sold. What is happening???
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Just out of curiosity, when someone does chargeback on you, do you get notified from paypal?
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Yeah, I got an email from them. And they place a hold on funds in your PayPal account. I'm just glad they don't go to withdrawing from your bank right then and there...
In the many years I've had a PayPal account, I've never had one single negative happen until now.
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LOL,,, don't blow it out of proportion guys, what $500, you'll get that back from CC no matter what eventually... you're fine....
that's why Lbeuol's scams work in the first place, because CC is often lenient..
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I wish you guys the best of luck dealing with this. I know there are always two sides to a story hopefully this is not what it seems.
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I wish you guys the best of luck dealing with this. I know there are always two sides to a story hopefully this is not what it seems.
Wrongful chargebacks? To multiple sellers via both PayPal and credit card company? Hard to imagine what else (better) that could be.
FWIW, he was presented with some of the known facts and asked to provide an explanation. He did not choose to do so.
He has resold some of the items involved, and is apparently better as a seller.
He has a heatware account. Use it.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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LOL,,, don't blow it out of proportion guys, what $500, you'll get that back from CC no matter what eventually... you're fine....
that's why Lbeuol's scams work in the first place, because CC is often lenient..
Dude, shut up. This has nothing to do with CC in the slightest. Quit trying the change the topic.
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He has a heatware account. Use it.
- Ron I samwisekoi
Since you can't go back and change a positive to a negative, I'm getting in touch with Heatware support to modify my feedback. Hate doing it, but it's better for us all.
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LOL,,, don't blow it out of proportion guys, what $500, you'll get that back from CC no matter what eventually... you're fine....
that's why Lbeuol's scams work in the first place, because CC is often lenient..
Dude, shut up. This has nothing to do with CC in the slightest. Quit trying the change the topic.
I don't care about how the money gets where or the motivations behind it all..
In the end, you'll all get your money back from the CC... so wtf are you all complaining about... get over it...
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I don't care about how the money gets where or the motivations behind it all..
In the end, you'll all get your money back from the CC... so wtf are you all complaining about... get over it...
Oh, you mean the credit card? That makes more sense. I still am not "getting over it." I put some time into those caps I sold. :( At least my loss is minor (at worst) compared to some others here.
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LOL,,, don't blow it out of proportion guys, what $500, you'll get that back from CC no matter what eventually... you're fine....
that's why Lbeuol's scams work in the first place, because CC is often lenient..
Dude, shut up. This has nothing to do with CC in the slightest. Quit trying the change the topic.
I don't care about how the money gets where or the motivations behind it all..
In the end, you'll all get your money back from the CC... so wtf are you all complaining about... get over it...
It isn't the money. It's the principle of the matter. How someone can be such a massive **** is beyond me. Especially when all people do at this place is help. It'd be different if you was in the situation and don't pretend you wouldn't be pissed.
Zzz.
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I don't care about how the money gets where or the motivations behind it all..
In the end, you'll all get your money back from the CC... so wtf are you all complaining about... get over it...
I still don't think you're getting it. Lbeuol is the purchaser here, and as long as he is the owner of record on the credit card they will typically side with him. Paypal will side with whichever means PP is not out any money in the end.
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LOL,,, don't blow it out of proportion guys, what $500, you'll get that back from CC no matter what eventually... you're fine....
that's why Lbeuol's scams work in the first place, because CC is often lenient..
Dude, shut up. This has nothing to do with CC in the slightest. Quit trying the change the topic.
I don't care about how the money gets where or the motivations behind it all..
In the end, you'll all get your money back from the CC... so wtf are you all complaining about... get over it...
Nice to know your time out did absolutely nothing to blunt that imbecilic charm you exude.
All of these are chargebacks from his credit card company, not payments from us to him. But I don't really care to argue with someone that places no value on money or is being the opposite opinion because lol internet.
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LOL,,, don't blow it out of proportion guys, what $500, you'll get that back from CC no matter what eventually... you're fine....
that's why Lbeuol's scams work in the first place, because CC is often lenient..
Dude, shut up. This has nothing to do with CC in the slightest. Quit trying the change the topic.
I don't care about how the money gets where or the motivations behind it all..
In the end, you'll all get your money back from the CC... so wtf are you all complaining about... get over it...
Nice to know your time out did absolutely nothing to blunt that imbecilic charm you exude.
All of these are chargebacks from his credit card company, not payments from us to him. But I don't really care to argue with someone that places no value on money or is being the opposite opinion because lol internet.
IDK wtf you're talking about, but you guys do this every single time...
BLOW IT WAY out of proportion... over a few bucks.
Mod edit: user was warned for this post [trolling]
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Either way you look at it you do not value money in the same way 99% of the rest of us do. So when it comes to money, keep your mouth shut.
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IDK wtf you're talking about, but you guys do this every single time...
BLOW IT WAY out of proportion... over a few bucks.
So you're saying I should have just sat back and dealt with it when I got a bull**** $15 charge from Wells Fargo one day, simply because it's only a few bucks? I don't feel it's right for someone to have to lose something due to another's ill intent. Scale be damned, it's the principle of the matter. Now, some people who are involved in this current fiasco are out a very good chunk of change. I, personally, am not. That isn't the point.
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I don't know what's going on anymore, but he emailed me after he said he got out of a hospital for emergency back surgery, and said he had received a sea of angry mail, and his access to GH was locked. He wanted to know what happened because he could not read it here. He said he had donated some keyboard stuff for an auction here and also had some ongoing purchases which he now has no access to. PayPal closed his account due to identity fraud, someone got his info or some such. Moderators and some angry people were ignoring him. I personally got 3 things from him, and received everything--no problems.
"I must be the world's worst scammer to do it for $200 when they have $600 dollars of my stuff in their possession. I asked Gon, who's transaction was also flagged and they just held his money for a day and re-released it. Good thing they instantly IP banned me so I can't do anything about it. They can run away with all of my stuff plus the original money, yet somehow I'm the scammer. I even donated $500 dollars of my old keyboard stuff to their fundraiser the week prior to my being in the hospital."
He's been very thorough and considerate with me, so I would give him some benefit of the doubt. It'd have been better to retain his ability to use the site--at least to send PMs and figure out the situation with each individual he's been involved in.
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I don't know what's going on anymore, but he emailed me after he said he got out of a hospital for emergency back surgery, and said he had received a sea of angry mail, and his access to GH was locked. He wanted to know what happened because he could not read it here. He said he had donated some keyboard stuff for an auction here and also had some ongoing purchases which he now has no access to. PayPal closed his account due to identity fraud, someone got his info or some such. Moderators and some angry people were ignoring him. I personally got 3 things from him, and received everything--no problems.
"I must be the world's worst scammer to do it for $200 when they have $600 dollars of my stuff in their possession. I asked Gon, who's transaction was also flagged and they just held his money for a day and re-released it. Good thing they instantly IP banned me so I can't do anything about it. They can run away with all of my stuff plus the original money, yet somehow I'm the scammer. I even donated $500 dollars of my old keyboard stuff to their fundraiser the week prior to my being in the hospital."
He's been very thorough and considerate with me, so I would give him some benefit of the doubt. It'd have been better to retain his ability to use the site--at least to send PMs and figure out the situation with each individual he's been involved in.
Have we not learned from me? The whole thing with daniel? Most of the time it's just mis-communication between a few people. So let's all settle down here and figure this out.
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I did try to send him a PM, but I think that whole account locked thing prevented me from doing so here.
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There is still the matter of the disputed payments. I haven't been following this situation in detail, but it still seems a bit fishy even given this explanation.
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Can payments be disputed or frozen by PayPal in case of a locked down account in an identity fraud investigation? Also would still be good to get Lbeuol in touch with people he owes money to / people who owe him stuff, because removing his ability to communicate is probably not helping the situation.
I think the point is: no one really knows, and there's a lot of speculation. The truth may be obscured, and perhaps the man himself could help clear it up now.
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Yeah, guys, please unlock his account so that we can contact him by PM.
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Lbeuol was banned as a protective measure because it seemed clear he was scamming members. The mod team is discussing the situation and considering whether or not to unban him. As I said above there are still unanswered questions.
In the meantime, those who have unresolved transactions should contact him via email.
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i havent chimed in to this thread because everyone has their own experiences, but i have dealt with him and everything went fine, to me he was always a good guy, i really hope all this is just a terrible misunderstanding and the ban and the lack of communication has probably compounded and made it worse, whatever the case, i think it is only fair to hear all sides before people who arent involved start hopping on as well, i have sent him an email today, offering to post any response he has to all this
either way
i hope this is all a misunderstanding and all gets worked out for everyone, and if not, i hope everyone gets their say
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I'm not in this at all with products, money, or time. But I AM in it as far a GH is concerned.
I play the supportive role because its what we do. But, if it looks like a scam, feels like a scam, the results are scammy....it's probably a scam, unfortunately. Perhaps he'll resurface with a vengeance, show some hospital pics, and show screenshots/email forwards of his actions to correct the problem with the various money institutions. Along with a detailed group email explanation/apology to at least one person here that can distribute it. Time will tell, personal misfortune DOES happen. I know this, I almost totally and completely failed in everything last year. Living with a backpack was a consideration.
Although I truly feel Toilet Paper 4 Tissue is acting out like a douche, he does make one point I am in agreement with. The "principle" trumps the money. Your entire life will be spent making, spending, finding and losing money. It happens. Factor losses in, because they will happen.
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On Sunday June 16th was the beginning of this incident this is when we found out there was issue with this member (Lbeuol) with a few other users fabsspeed as well as tjcaustin, due to the nature of this issue we tried to get more info as soon as we can to try to protect our members
Our admin team sent off an email to Lbeuol questioning this incident but there was no reply, 3 days later the PayPal account was closed off which during this time it still showed Lbeuol was logged in (unsure if it was just tapatalk) but to ensure the protection of our members we have decided to banned him from the forum
We did not come to this decision recklessly seeing as all the information we have gotten has lead us to believe that this is the result of a scam attempt. _If_ we did not act accordingly more members could have lost money and/or merchandise and that is not what we want in our classified environment.
As hashbaz has noted we are in discussion to how to proceed with this now, but we do suggest in the meantime to contact him via his email.
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Based on the context and wording of the quote Photoelectric posted, it seems he's angry with everyone as a whole, and that's just wrong. I had nothing to do with banning him, I never took his $600 items. I sold him items for cheap, and always treated him fairly and nicely. So exacting vengeance on a community for a problem you had with one or two of that community is just wrong. I sent an email; still remains to be seen whether I receive a response.
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Under what circumstances will a similar path be followed by the mods with regards to The Profosist?
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Under what circumstances will a similar path be followed by the mods with regards to The Profosist?
I find that post highly relevant to your personal text.
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Under what circumstances will a similar path be followed by the mods with regards to The Profosist?
That is a separate topic that I don't want to get into here. The mod team is aware of the situation and is discussing what we think is best for the community. If you have special concerns or information, feel free to PM tsangan or me.
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In cases like this, wouldn't it be a good idea to be able to publicly 'flag' peoples accounts rather than an out right ban.
If it's simply a miss understanding then the flagged account can respond and help deal with the problems, in the mean time people can see on his profile/avatar (what ever) that there is a serious problem with his account and that trading/selling/etc with him isn't advised until he's unflagged. Or if they are scamming then there accounts are banned.
Like I can see how and why things like this could happen due to the nature of emails and people selling and trading from other sides of the planet and you have no real contact with that person.
-by flagging I mean, putting something like a red 'X' over there avatar or putting a line through there username or something and a msg under there avatar (or above like the cool kids do) saying there account has been flagged for possible fraud or something
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I just got hit with the same bull**** from this *******!
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Man, instead of just downright dropping the ban hammer on these scammers, there should be a list sticky'd somewhere so everyone can see.
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What makes me mad is this was from groupbuy that was paid way before any of this so I had no way of knowing they were a scamming trash. As mad as I am that someone does this, I am even more mad that paypal allows this kind of thing. Obviously it is not valid when there was weeks before the goods were sent that they could have made a dispute if it really was not authorized... it just blows my mind.
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So I emailed and everything, and no response. I would almost guarantee its pretty much spite now, because now he's going after smaller transactions. When I had my sale, I was putting things up in intervals, and when people bought them, the shipping was combined. This guy made three separate payments to me, but went for the biggest first. Just got hit with the other two. After how many days? I'm pretty sure if you're claiming fraud, you're going to try to figure that out within the first day or so...
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Man, instead of just downright dropping the ban hammer on these scammers, there should be a list sticky'd somewhere so everyone can see.
Maybe with names and addresses? I'd hate to dox someone, but this is getting out of hand
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Names, addresses, aliases, most importantly paypal id...etc. Everything to prevent future scams.
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In no way defending him, but he did say he was going into another surgery. So not sure if perhaps he's just not back yet?
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In no way defending him, but he did say he was going into another surgery. So not sure if perhaps he's just not back yet?
He managed to file complaints with PayPal...
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What makes me mad is this was from groupbuy that was paid way before any of this so I had no way of knowing they were a scamming trash. As mad as I am that someone does this, I am even more mad that paypal allows this kind of thing. Obviously it is not valid when there was weeks before the goods were sent that they could have made a dispute if it really was not authorized... it just blows my mind.
He actually won the dispute and paypal withdrew money from you? Did you already shipped his stuff before this happened?
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If you have money in your account, they place a hold on it. I'm just glad mine was empty, so they marked it as overdrawn.
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Well they have not won the dispute yet, but it's paypal so I am just going to assume they will. The money is already out of my account while they 'investigate'. Yes, they waited until after they had received the keycaps to file it.
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Does anyone have experience with paypal dispute when you were on seller side? How long does it take and what is the decision process like?
Is he doing this on purpose? It seems like it according to Ivan's remark.
Ivan, when did you receive the dispute notification? I got mine on 6/24/2013. Same here on the amount taken out of my account. The disputed amount was taken out on the date and they are not coming back yet.
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My experience as a seller is, getting totally ****ed over by PayPal, lost £300+ selling an iphone through eBay.
Then as a Buyer I have been ****ed over for £100 when buying a VPS which I was never given; but because the company I bought from was financed by a bigger company, screw the little-man, I don't know weather they don't like me or something. Its mental!
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Hrm, well, I'm out of excuses for that behavior :( If it's on-going like that after June 24th or so. Could you not contact PayPal and talk to them, mentioning to look into the recent history of the person's account and all the disputes they've been opening with completely different people?
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Sorry to hear about what happened, it is always crappy reading about these kinds of goings on.
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Hrm, well, I'm out of excuses for that behavior :( If it's on-going like that after June 24th or so. Could you not contact PayPal and talk to them, mentioning to look into the recent history of the person's account and all the disputes they've been opening with completely different people?
Any delays at the moment are due to paypal communicating with the actual credit card company as this was instigated there and not through paypal. The ones that went through paypal were done in less than 48 hours.
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I'm gonna jump on the scam wagon, he just filed a dispute with me, sent the reply to Paypal, gonna hang back and get the lube ready....
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This sucks.
I'm not familiar with this kind of major problem with Paypal.
It seems scary. What's to stop anyone from disputing every single transaction after they have received their goods.
Couldn't anyone do this?
I tried disputing once. It ended up not falling in my favor. The seller got me then disappeared.
Its an interesting story. It kind of reminds me of someone else on this forum.
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What's to stop anyone from disputing every single transaction after they have received their goods.
Couldn't anyone do this?
Don't you see that that's exactly what's going on here? I suppose anyone could, but we operate on the basis of a given respect and trust. Some people just destroy that.
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I just noticed that Lbeuol is also trying to participate in the DSA DOLCH REPLICA group buy and has monies due.
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I would think at some level either the credit card company and/or PayPal would realize what is going on.
However what if someone stole an identity or credit card etc then bought a bunch of stuff from people on a forum then the 'real' person found out and started doing chargebacks....
I just noticed that Lbeuol is also trying to participate in the DSA DOLCH REPLICA group buy and has monies due.
I sent DrugER a pm.
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I would think at some level either the credit card company and/or PayPal would realize what is going on.
However what if someone stole an identity or credit card etc then bought a bunch of stuff from people on a forum then the 'real' person found out and started doing chargebacks....
I just noticed that Lbeuol is also trying to participate in the DSA DOLCH REPLICA group buy and has monies due.
I sent DrugER a pm.
Is there a GH black list?
Then again, what's to stop him from creating a new Paypal name?
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I was gonna post in his group buy forum but you sir have more grace then me.
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That's why we need blacklist with ALL the info, usernames, emails, real names, mailing addresses, etc. that are known to be associated... and if they get slammed from having their info in the open, well that is karma.
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I understand what you're saying, Ray. But I have a strong suspicion that if someone stole a persons identity and CC#s, that they wouldn't sign into a forum and buy things for months, but would try to get things in a quicker manner...
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I understand what you're saying, Ray. But I have a strong suspicion that if someone stole a persons identity and CC#s, that they wouldn't sign into a forum and buy things for months, but would try to get things in a quicker manner...
Yea, sounds pre-meditated to me, sounds like we're putting him on trial. Identity thiefs that are successful usually charge a high amount real quick then disappear. Happened to two of my buddies. Their only saving grace was the CC's had smart monitoring i.e. anything that looked like abnormal spending sent a red flag. The charges wouldn't clear until the individual called in to verify. Theif would have gotten away with a lot more but that put a stop to it. It took my buddies a while to reverse the carnage.
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Is it worth, or even possible, to alert PayPal to the number of these claims he is making - so they can see he is just scamming everyone?
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I would think at some level either the credit card company and/or PayPal would realize what is going on.
However what if someone stole an identity or credit card etc then bought a bunch of stuff from people on a forum then the 'real' person found out and started doing chargebacks....
I just noticed that Lbeuol is also trying to participate in the DSA DOLCH REPLICA group buy and has monies due.
I sent DrugER a pm.
he didn't pay yet.
if he do not pay till this week, i'll drop his order.
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Umm read the thread. You do NOT want to him to pay, because once you ship him the stuff, he'll reverse the transaction and you're out money and keycaps. Drop his order now while you still can.
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Yay! PayPal got back to me, and they said they're covering at least one of the chargebacks, the most expensive one. Still have to wait and see on the other two, but good news is good news.
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Umm read the thread. You do NOT want to him to pay, because once you ship him the stuff, he'll reverse the transaction and you're out money and keycaps. Drop his order now while you still can.
THIS ^
Please don't let him ruin this for the rest of us!!! :-\
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This just in: Paypal is no longer holding onto my money. All's well that ends well, I suppose. Hoping for the best for the rest of you!
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I would think at some level either the credit card company and/or PayPal would realize what is going on.
However what if someone stole an identity or credit card etc then bought a bunch of stuff from people on a forum then the 'real' person found out and started doing chargebacks....
I just noticed that Lbeuol is also trying to participate in the DSA DOLCH REPLICA group buy and has monies due.
I sent DrugER a pm.
he didn't pay yet.
if he do not pay till this week, i'll drop his order.
From what I have read, I wouldn't accept his payment at all.
If it was a case of someone getting a hold of someone else's Paypal, then you can submit all the info you have on the guy to Paypal as he has commited fraud. I never really thought about it, but what happens in those cases when a credit company reimburses you if your credit card gets hijacked? Can they really reclaim the money from the people which the perpetrator paid with the stolen credit card?
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I would think at some level either the credit card company and/or PayPal would realize what is going on.
However what if someone stole an identity or credit card etc then bought a bunch of stuff from people on a forum then the 'real' person found out and started doing chargebacks....
I just noticed that Lbeuol is also trying to participate in the DSA DOLCH REPLICA group buy and has monies due.
I sent DrugER a pm.
he didn't pay yet.
if he do not pay till this week, i'll drop his order.
From what I have read, I wouldn't accept his payment at all.
If it was a case of someone getting a hold of someone else's Paypal, then you can submit all the info you have on the guy to Paypal as he has commited fraud. I never really thought about it, but what happens in those cases when a credit company reimburses you if your credit card gets hijacked? Can they really reclaim the money from the people which the perpetrator paid with the stolen credit card?
That's where they'll start, then they'll find and sue the id thief.
Got an email from paypal today saying they're disputing the chargeback
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Nice. It looks like they may have realized that someone who does that many chargebacks/disputes is definitely a scammer.
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What they basically told me was that because I followed the PayPal seller rules, I was covered. So if you're selling things as goods, make sure to have a tracking number and insert that shiz into the PayPal system to cover your ass.
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What they basically told me was that because I followed the PayPal seller rules, I was covered. So if you're selling things as goods, make sure to have a tracking number and insert that shiz into the PayPal system to cover your ass.
That's what I got, yes. Good to hear you are not screwed, moose!
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Well, I got hit with three separate chargebacks. One was covered, but I'm still waiting on the other two.
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don't forget to submit this thread as proof, paypal will look favorably in this way that other users of paypal are being targeted.
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I got my funds back.
Hopefully everyone involved in the series of wrongful charge back get their funds as well.
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Good to hear that this is getting addressed, at least in part.
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I'm surprised, but glad. I hope I get my money back too> It's quite a money for necessity for me, like food and stuff that i need.
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I'm surprised, but glad. I hope I get my money back too> It's quite a money for necessity for me, like keyboards and stuff that i need.
I feel you, man.
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Things are looking hopeful, I'm gonna screw the cap back on the lube bottle, glad to hear some positive outcomes.
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So today, I tried to login to my bank account, and my account was suspended. I called to see what was going on. Want to take a guess? This guy is disputing a payment via Chase QuickPay. Really!? Over a month and a half ago... Why is this **** allowed?
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Jesus holy ****. What.
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Now I have to sit on hold multiple times and verify that I am who I am over and over... Still waiting to see what happens. GAH!
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Well, I think it's pretty safe to say that whatever lines he was feeding us were bogus. Such a shame.
meebcaps set #4. A set of keycaps that will live in infamy.
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So here's the thing: Chase has ABSOLUTELY NO credibility or accountability with it's QuickPay option. If someone sends you a payment, and then disputes it, you have no say in the matter. Your money is being taken back. Only the sender matters. **** Chase. ****ing bastards. And **** LBEUOL! I swear, I wish I could have 10 minutes with this mother****er.
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Maybe we need a GH enforcer :)) I'm sure you have his address... :-X If his fingers were all busted up... >:D
lol j/k :-\
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Is there any way we can all figure out a way to keep moose from getting absolutely ****ed here? I don't know how Chase works (I do not bank with them).
This has gotten absolutely ****ed up and absurd.
Edit: I guess something even more important... how can we all protect ourselves from jackasses pulling stunts like this?
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As soon as I get home, I'm contemplating whether I should contact the authorities about this, or whether I should just accept it and move the **** on...
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As soon as I get home, I'm contemplating whether I should contact the authorities about this, or whether I should just accept it and move the **** on...
If it's over $500 it could be considered a Class A Misdemeanor with a larger fine and punishment of up to a year in a county jail. So there is a thought...
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As soon as I get home, I'm contemplating whether I should contact the authorities about this, or whether I should just accept it and move the **** on...
If it's over $500 it could be considered a Class A Misdemeanor with a larger fine and punishment of up to a year in a county jail. So there is a thought...
Don't forget the whole interstate element. I think people should figure out the total dollar amount that has been scammed or attempted to be scammed. Wire fraud is a serious thing and factor in across state lines and bigger dollar amounts and it becomes even more serious.
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It is possible that your bank just took the money off you to place in limbo, not immediately send it back to this jerk. I Know in some cases of credit card disputes the first thing they do is take the money off the seller. Hopefully you can just wake them up to the reality and they will just return it to you. There's a good chance they will see it in your favour.
Fingers crossed anyway. I don't think you should give up, depressing and soul destroying as it can seem.
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I talked to them about that. They removed the money, and the said I would have to talk to the sender or the authorities. Perhaps I will try calling again and see if another person can give me better help, or try to elevate the whole ordeal.
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I talked to them about that. They removed the money, and the said I would have to talk to the sender or the authorities. Perhaps I will try calling again and see if another person can give me better help, or try to elevate the whole ordeal.
I found a page where bitcoin traders were speaking of just about the same situation you have. Their accounts were frozen because the buyer looked fraudulent. That post also says that they were told the buyer had to contact them to allow their accounts to be unlocked.. Their buyer was reputable though, and he did. Sorry man, it looks bad.
Edit: The only other bit of info I found is that to get a quickpay reversal, he had to sign an affidavit alleging that fraud has occurred.
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Moose, if worst comes to worst, meeba and friends will do something to at least make you smile a little bit. This whole thing sucks. :(
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hope you guys clear up with drugER that he should not accept money or send items to this guy.
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We should be able to do something because all of the combined monies would equate to more than $500 right? I also sent him stuff from California so if push comes to shove, shouldn't that count for a federal fraud case since all of us are from different locales? I'm no law expert but this going unpunished isn't right.
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So today, I tried to login to my bank account, and my account was suspended. I called to see what was going on. Want to take a guess? This guy is disputing a payment via Chase QuickPay. Really!? Over a month and a half ago... Why is this **** allowed?
Whoa! So I can get my money back for that poker I bought when you were drunk? Awesome.....brb..... ;)
But seriously!! When I read through the Chase QuickPay stuff I thought it was done and done.....no going back, that's what I thought was the benefit of it.
And to think he tried to sell me that DSA retro he bought from you moose....glad I stayed away from that.....
I hope you get this sorted and it might be worth it to get the authorities involved, do you know anyone who is a cop or detective or anything that could help?
Might also talk to a lawyer and explain and see what they say, although I fear they will just be like, 'it's the internet, tuff noogies'
This whole deal keeps getting worse.
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That's what I thought too!! I was completely stunned when they suspended my account and took the money, saying that the whole deal was done. No contact, no asking me my side, no nothing. It's jawdropping. I'm going to call again today, and let them really have it. I felt bad yelling at the lady I did last night, because she obviously had no way to help or could do nothing, so I'm definitely going to go as high as I need to. What kind of service for payments only listens to one side?
And what upset me even more: the lady said, "we listened to your side; that's why we reactivated your account." Seriously!? My account shouldn't have even been suspended for this ****. They should have called me or something.
edit: Honestly, at this point, I'm more upset with my bank. Obviously, Lbeuol is a sad individual, so I have forgiven him for his upsetting actions.
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Here's the thing, too. All this is effectively turning into both mail and wire fraud. These are actual serious charges that can be brought against someone provided a case could be made.
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Obviously, Lbeuol is a sad individual, so I have forgiven him for his upsetting actions.
(http://azmenatwork.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/jesus_christ.jpg)
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The moose-iah?
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The moose-iah?
^^ this post would be a candidate if we had a +1 button!
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The moose-iah?
lolol. that's a good one :))
^^ this post would be a candidate if we had a like button!
How dare you bring bookface into this >:D lol
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So some semi good news. I just spent over an hour on the phone with Chase, filing a claim. I gave them all the information I had and that I received, and there's a possibility that this claim may result in good news for me! YAAAAYYY!!
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So some semi good news. I just spent over an hour on the phone with Chase, filing a claim. I gave them all the information I had and that I received, and there's a possibility that this claim may result in good news for me! YAAAAYYY!!
That will be awesome, still how terrible that its surprising good news when a major corporation does the right thing. If you got someone to listen, that is half the battle I think. Good luck.
(he is the moose-iah!)
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So some semi good news. I just spent over an hour on the phone with Chase, filing a claim. I gave them all the information I had and that I received, and there's a possibility that this claim may result in good news for me! YAAAAYYY!!
Hope it works out!
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I hope so too. The truth is, when I gave the claims lady a chance to explain the other side, I could understand exactly where they were coming from, especially being that I've been a victim of fraud before ("If you were the victim, how would you feel if we contacted the other party and gave them ample time to withdraw the money or close their account?"). But, the actual truth is I was the victim of fraud, because this person was lying about being defrauded and making false claims. So, that was what took the most time: convincing them that I was the victim of the other person's fraud and false claim. And the lady was understanding and listened, and I'm grateful for that.
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rreally happy it looks ike this is going your way mooseman
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Thanks Bunny! Another positive, as well as a partial negative: the second of three PayPal transaction charged back was found in my favor (second highest amount). Unfortunately, the third didn't come out as well (luckily the lowest amount). I don't see why not because they sided with me on the others, but what can I do...? But they did say they're still discussing with the CC company, so here's hoping on that one as well. If that clears up, I will be PayPal home again!
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Oh, and my amount does total over $500 when you count goods accepted, as well as money for false claims (goods total well above money, as I'm sure you know from my sale).
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Hope you get it sorted mousy (and everyone else)
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NO U MOUSY
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Moosy*
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I had victory :D! But, I had to dispute the initial resolution as they decided in their favor at first, saying I sent it to not the address they have in paypal... because had an apartment number and on their official paypal address it does not, but the same street address and everything. So I was just like really :confused:? Then paypal noticed it was stupid indeed and ruled on my side after some compelling logic.
The thing too, not only would I have been out the merchandise plus $90ish but also an additional $20 for chargeback fee. It's really quite absurd.
Best of luck to anyone still dealing with this persons nonsense.
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Doesn't all transactions on Paypal have an ID#? How about you all collect those, and in your disputes list them and Paypal should notice how they all have one common denominator and perhaps make things easier for you all?
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Doesn't all transactions on Paypal have an ID#? How about you all collect those, and in your disputes list them and Paypal should notice how they all have one common denominator and perhaps make things easier for you all?
I don't think thats how it works, I think they're just a continuous chain. But if PayPal haven't made the connection (and I really hope they have) someone needs to point it out to them.
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I put a link to this very thread in my dispute response. Problem is there is not anything but a username in here for them which does not tell them anything to identify. I don't think mods will allow us to post all their details, or maybe? If we can all do that maybe it helps. Really I think paypal should ban them at the very least.
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Did you not have the person's details? I gave Chase all of the person's details that I had, including name, address, and email addresses, and asked them to compare that info to the account information, and see who was lying. I also gave them a tracking number to show that I did actually ship something to that address. I would imagine if you shipped to a verified address, you are good. The address was verified when I sent.
I need to call PayPal and talk to them (or do they have an online chat thing?). I don't see how the sided with me on two transactions but not the third. They're all in the same boat.
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Did you not have the person's details? I gave Chase all of the person's details that I had, including name, address, and email addresses, and asked them to compare that info to the account information, and see who was lying. I also gave them a tracking number to show that I did actually ship something to that address. I would imagine if you shipped to a verified address, you are good. The address was verified when I sent.
I need to call PayPal and talk to them (or do they have an online chat thing?). I don't see how the sided with me on two transactions but not the third. They're all in the same boat.
I'd get with them and see about that, I mean 2 out of 3 aint bad in horsehoes or golf but when it's fraud 3's a charm!!
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I put a link to this very thread in my dispute response. Problem is there is not anything but a username in here for them which does not tell them anything to identify. I don't think mods will allow us to post all their details, or maybe? If we can all do that maybe it helps. Really I think paypal should ban them at the very least.
I linked to this thread and showed screenshots of my PMs to/from the user (which showed address).
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I can't tell for certain if they're still disputing the chargeback settlement with the CC company or if they closed it because I "didn't qualify for seller protection".
None of my transaction IDs work for contacting them, though.
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I can't tell for certain if they're still disputing the chargeback settlement with the CC company or if they closed it because I "didn't qualify for seller protection".
None of my transaction IDs work for contacting them, though.
They said that they were still fighting for me on the chargeback settlement. I think it's stupid that they can impose $15-20 fees... I mean, in reality, IF I was a scammer, this is a legal matter, not civil. Take me to court, and bring Lbeuol with you and hook everyone up to a lie detector test.
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So as much as I'm opposed to paying for this guys hatred, revenge, and lies, as well as stupidly priced fees, I'm actually contemplating just paying that amount right now so I can have my damn PayPal account back...
Does anyone think that would be a bad decision on my part as far as how it looks to PayPal while I continue to fight this? Because I don't want them to think they should stop fighting for my money.
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You've come this far, I think you should see it out. I'm not sure what PayPal would do if you did pay it back, maybe give there customer support team a ring to see if it would negatively affect you?
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So as much as I'm opposed to paying for this guys hatred, revenge, and lies, as well as stupidly priced fees, I'm actually contemplating just paying that amount right now so I can have my damn PayPal account back...
Does anyone think that would be a bad decision on my part as far as how it looks to PayPal while I continue to fight this? Because I don't want them to think they should stop fighting for my money.
If it's not much money to you, I would have personally let it go. Time is money, and it might not be worth the time and energy to pursue.
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That's what I'm thinking. At this point, it's only ~$36. In the whole scheme of things, I could have lost so much more, and I've been out of a PayPal account, so have been unable to make sales, and have had a hard time buying things (some people have offered to help me, but I don't like putting other people in harms way...).
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Is it worth $36 to you to keep fighting this?
Or would you pay $36 for the convenience of just being able to go on as you have been before this happened?
Just so long as no negative finding is recorded against your account.
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That's why I ask. There are two radio buttons to choose from: pay or resolve. I don't know what they'll see if I just choose to pay. I'll try to contact them sometime today. Thanks guys.
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Don't pay the ****er, you've seen how much time he's taken, how much anguish he's put people through (and there's probably more who haven't posted in this thread) **** him.
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That's why I ask. There are two radio buttons to choose from: pay or resolve. I don't know what they'll see if I just choose to pay. I'll try to contact them sometime today. Thanks guys.
i am fairly confindent that if you jsut choose to pay, there are no negative connotations recorded against your account or your limits, it may be worth a call to check on that but i once chose to settle an ebay thing many years ago buy jsut paying it instead of fighting it as the 30 bucks or whatever it was just wasnt worth my time dealing with then idiot
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So here's the new thing I just noticed: all cases are closed, and I'm stuck with the last one being against me... So I have to pay it regardless of whether I want to or not to get my account back. So I'm going to pay it, but I'm going to file a new dispute against it.
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AWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEE!!
Rejoice with me, brethren! I called Chase just now, and they finished my claim. My money is back in my hands there. Then I called PayPal, and they said they don't know why that happened, but all three transactions were in my favor, and that I have an amazing track record with them, so they gave me my money back.
What's up now, Lbeuol? Youwillnevergitdis.
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AWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEE!!
Rejoice with me, brethren! I called Chase just now, and they finished my claim. My money is back in my hands there. Then I called PayPal, and they said they don't know why that happened, but all three transactions were in my favor, and that I have an amazing track record with them, so they gave me my money back.
What's up now, Lbeuol? Youwillnevergitdis.
And you wanted to give up! *****, Tym's always right! :D Love you moosy good job!
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Thanks! I really hope everything works out for everyone else as well. Here's hoping for you guys!
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Congrats moose!
Here's hoping you don't end up in this kind of situation again.
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I've done many deals on the internet, and this was the first negative thing to ever happen to me, so I guess it was bound to happen eventually. I'll just take a couple more precautionary measures in the future so that at least IF it does happen, I know what it takes to protect me as a seller.
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So, after that deal with Chase, where they gave me my money back, they ended up taking it back again about a week later. At that point, I figured there was no point in talking about this anymore, and that I had lost my money.
Then, last week, PayPal emailed me saying that the person's credit card company had resolved in my favor after all of the research. So I called Chase back up and let them know that, showing evidence. With that last piece of evidence, they overturned it and resolved in my favor.
4 months later, I finally have all of the money that was rightfully mine.
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So, after that deal with Chase, where they gave me my money back, they ended up taking it back again about a week later. At that point, I figured there was no point in talking about this anymore, and that I had lost my money.
Then, last week, PayPal emailed me saying that the person's credit card company had resolved in my favor after all of the research. So I called Chase back up and let them know that, showing evidence. With that last piece of evidence, they overturned it and resolved in my favor.
4 months later, I finally have all of the money that was rightfully mine.
It took me about the same amount of time and I still lost the $20 that paypal charged for the chargeback fee.
Either way, I'm glad I don't have to think about this particular loser anymore.
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I would call PayPal and tell them. They returned the chargeback fee to me.
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What a shame
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Glad it all worked out. This whole deal was crazy.
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I've never heard of that guy, and just seeing this thread now, but man what a complete ass. He needs a swift kick to the balls.
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A happy ending :)