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Title: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:16:12
I think it is kind of annoying when people post a thread about their upcoming sale to build suspense or whatever.  Can't we just post the thread whenever we have the sale ready?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: longweight on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:17:44
People like to feel special and build hype about them selling CC's.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:18:31
You just don't understand how to properly test the waters!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:19:15
People like to feel special and build hype about them selling CC's.
Yes that is why I posted this thread.  I think it is obnoxious.  Just post your sale thread whenever you have your list of items compiled.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Moosecraft on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:36:21
I personally enjoy reading the hype and testing waters threads.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:57:14
TW threads strike me as scummy behavior. I vote we get rid of them. And I really would be highly disappointed if I see another moderator post one.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 15:58:22
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:01:19
Are there any rules other than having to have 60 posts and the 24 hour bumping (which is abused also), when it comes to the classifieds?

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:02:01
I forgot the M in the title. Trading With Moose



Maa bad!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:02:07
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0

But that thread ended in a deal? How does that count towards what you're talking about here?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:02:44
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0

But that thread ended in a deal? How does that count towards what you're talking about here?
Why not PM him about it instead of posting a thread?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:03:08
2meta2furious
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:03:33
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0

But that thread ended in a deal? How does that count towards what you're talking about here?
Why not PM him about it instead of posting a thread?

transparency, people always complaining about clack trades via Pm so.....
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:04:53
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: phx on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:05:10
came here wanting to start a topic, but hey look, I'm not the only one
this **** needs to stop, it's just spam and stupid

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47608.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0

no more posts in classifieds without actually having something listed for sale,buy,trade
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:06:38
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:07:21
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!
Why would people care about stuff you trade over PM?  That is stupid.  I have a problem with profiteering Clacks, not trading over PM.  That is your business.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:07:41
I just keep getting disappointed when I see TW, thinking someone is going to sell some transparent wood.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:08:46
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:09:17
I just keep getting disappointed when I see TW, thinking someone is going to sell some transparent wood.

Goddamn spamray.

That is actually, 100% no trolling or sarcasm, some awesome sounding stuff.  Make some literal glass houses with that.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:11:46
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.

To be fair, both of us listed what was being trade. All my Mx stuff and all moose's BS stuff.


It was a trade made in heaven!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: phx on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:12:12
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Tym on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:12:48
I just keep getting disappointed when I see TW, thinking someone is going to sell some transparent wood.

Tym wants... :-X
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:12:58
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.

It's the same logic as having an IC for a groupbuy. If someone's unsure of whether or not what they're selling may be of interest to people or not, there's no point in wasting their own time writing up an entire FS thread only to get no interest.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:13:17

To be fair, both of us listed what was being trade. All my Mx stuff and all moose's BS stuff.


It was a trade made in heaven!

This.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:13:29
I just keep getting disappointed when I see TW, thinking someone is going to sell some transparent wood.

Goddamn spamray.

That is actually, 100% no trolling or sarcasm, some awesome sounding stuff.  Make some literal glass houses with that.

I've also dreamed of having a wood cable also but didn't post because I didn't know if my body was truly ready in the event someone wood make one.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:15:39
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.

It's the same logic as having an IC for a groupbuy. If someone's unsure of whether or not what they're selling may be of interest to people or not, there's no point in wasting their own time writing up an entire FS thread only to get no interest.
Oh come on don't play dumb.  You know what you have.  All of the recent TW bull**** and empty sale threads have been for rare stuff.  You know that there will be demand for your stuff.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:17:42
I just keep getting disappointed when I see TW, thinking someone is going to sell some transparent wood.

Tym wants... :-X

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1663564/milan-preview-nendo-invents-transparent-wood

^^ maybe we could get some cases made out of this to get us buy in the meantime
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:18:44
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.

It's the same logic as having an IC for a groupbuy. If someone's unsure of whether or not what they're selling may be of interest to people or not, there's no point in wasting their own time writing up an entire FS thread only to get no interest.
Oh come on don't play dumb.  You know what you have.  All of the recent TW bull**** and empty sale threads have been for rare stuff.  You know that there will be demand for your stuff.

And Beast and I knew what each other had, and wanted those things. Why would we waste time typing everything out?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:21:19
My goodness. I was right the other day when I said geekhack doesn't know what it wants. You want transparency, and then when you get it, you complain about something else. Make up your minds!

Seriously. At one point everyone was complaining about PM trades and how shady it is.

Now you get everything open in the public and the *****ing continues.

Just let people go about their own business, stop trying to get involved.
It's less about trading in public than posting TW threads or classifieds threads with nothing in them, trying to build suspense for your future sale.  Just post your FS thread when you figure out what all is gonna be in it.

It's the same logic as having an IC for a groupbuy. If someone's unsure of whether or not what they're selling may be of interest to people or not, there's no point in wasting their own time writing up an entire FS thread only to get no interest.
Oh come on don't play dumb.  You know what you have.  All of the recent TW bull**** and empty sale threads have been for rare stuff.  You know that there will be demand for your stuff.

And Beast and I knew what each other had, and wanted those things. Why would we waste time typing everything out?
So take it to PM.  People getting butthurt over PM trading are stupid.  These threads are pretty useless and clutter classifieds.

Also you aren't the only offender here don't think I'm just talking to you.  There have been MANY times where members post a FS thread with NOTHING in it (presumably to build suspense) and then wait till later to post all of their items for sale.  That clutters the classifieds and is just straight up annoying.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:23:51
2meta2furious

snip

  These threads are pretty useless and clutter classifieds.

snip this, too

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: phx on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:24:00
[IC] exists because it takes a lot of time to set up a GB.
only takes a few minutes to type up a friken sales thread, plus you are trying to sell stuff for money.
and why would you ever write a IC for stuff you have to sell? What would you write? "I have X, would anyone be interested in buying it if I put it on sale?", then just friken write "I have X for sale". it's the samething. bringing up useless hype for a sale is stupid, even more stupid when you don't follow through it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:25:07
[IC] exists because it takes a lot of time to set up a GB.
only takes a few minutes to type up a friken sales thread, plus you are trying to sell stuff for money.
and why would you ever write a IC for stuff you have to sell? What would you write? "I have X, would anyone be interested in buying it if I put it on sale?", then just friken write "I have X for sale". it's the samething.

It was Trading With Moose, but I forgot the M

Nothing was for sale
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: phx on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:25:28
[IC] exists because it takes a lot of time to set up a GB.
only takes a few minutes to type up a friken sales thread, plus you are trying to sell stuff for money.
and why would you ever write a IC for stuff you have to sell? What would you write? "I have X, would anyone be interested in buying it if I put it on sale?", then just friken write "I have X for sale". it's the samething.

Nothing, I was Trading With Moose, but forgot the M

Nothing was for sale

then why did you make a post?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:25:44
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47602.0

But that thread ended in a deal? How does that count towards what you're talking about here?
Why not PM him about it instead of posting a thread?

transparency, people always complaining about clack trades via Pm so.....

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Tym on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:26:44
It should have been a MT then not a WT

[Moose Trade] :))
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: phx on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:26:56
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:28:25
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.
People do get butthurt about that for some reason which is retarded.  There is no reason for people to get upset about trading clacks over PM.

I still think these threads are ****ing stupid, and the stupidity is not exclusive to Beast and moose's threads.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:29:49
It's literally too painful to watch this go any further, so call this the gun shot behind the barn:

They're trolling you because you're letting them.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:31:06
It's literally too painful to watch this go any further, so call this the gun shot behind the barn:

They're trolling you because you're letting them.
Okay so I'm confused now, the threads were a joke?

If so then they were essentially useless **** in classifieds which annoys me further.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Tym on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:31:18
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:33:35
It's literally too painful to watch this go any further, so call this the gun shot behind the barn:

They're trolling you because you're letting them.
Okay so I'm confused now, the threads were a joke?

If so then they were essentially useless **** in classifieds which annoys me further.

No it wasn't a joke... and they're not useless either if the two threads brought together a trade. I don't understand why people are butthurt about people posting trade threads. Both parties listed what they had for trade. They ended up PMing each other after discovering what each other had through reading their threads. The deal was made. It's not your business nor mine or any one elses but them two.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:34:35
It's literally too painful to watch this go any further, so call this the gun shot behind the barn:

They're trolling you because you're letting them.
Okay so I'm confused now, the threads were a joke?

If so then they were essentially useless **** in classifieds which annoys me further.

No it wasn't a joke... and they're not useless either if the two threads brought together a trade. I don't understand why people are butthurt about people posting trade threads. Both parties listed what they had for trade. They ended up PMing each other after discovering what each other had through reading their threads. The deal was made. It's not your business nor mine or any one elses but them two.

Well, I thought I'd get away with defusing the situation with a fib...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:34:38
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"


I was wondering what that was!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:35:34
It's literally too painful to watch this go any further, so call this the gun shot behind the barn:

They're trolling you because you're letting them.
Okay so I'm confused now, the threads were a joke?

If so then they were essentially useless **** in classifieds which annoys me further.

No it wasn't a joke... and they're not useless either if the two threads brought together a trade. I don't understand why people are butthurt about people posting trade threads. Both parties listed what they had for trade. They ended up PMing each other after discovering what each other had through reading their threads. The deal was made. It's not your business nor mine or any one elses but them two.

Quote
I have seen the light with my newly acquired model F AT, so I have decided to sell all my Mx gear since it is now worthless.


I'll have a list of what I'm selling later.....

Wait till later to post your thread.  How am I supposed to know what all of your MX gear is.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:35:59
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"


I was wondering what that was!

Let me know if you need some for school!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:37:16
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"


I was wondering what that was!

Let me know if you need some for school!

Reported for attempting to deal drugs.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:40:53
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"


I was wondering what that was!

Let me know if you need some for school!

Reported for attempting to deal drugs.

I thought he said math! :eek:
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: KangarooZombies on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:41:47
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Tym on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:43:00
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"


I was wondering what that was!

Let me know if you need some for school!

Reported for attempting to deal drugs.

I thought he said math! :eek:

Hahahahaha, now I look like I sell drugs to kiddies :/
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:43:56
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~

Dude Beast just turned 12 he's not an "older" member. I don't see how this is relevant to anything either, THEY MADE A TRADE.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:44:35
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~

Dude Beast just turned 12 he's not an "older" member. I don't see how this is relevant to anything either, THEY MADE A TRADE.

Wait... The_Beast is only 12? I can't trade with him... Sorry, Beast. Deal's off.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:44:55
how would people even know if you are trading in private?
obviously you are doing something wrong.

posting it in public is basically a giant middle finger to the public
"HEY IM SELLING THIS AWESOME ITEM TO THIS GUY, YOU CANT HAVE IT!"

just keep it to yourselves...

I think they know when I go

*What I got in the Mail today* [thread]

"SpamRay just sent me some meth, it tasted great"


I was wondering what that was!

Let me know if you need some for school!

Reported for attempting to deal drugs.

I thought he said math! :o

Hahahahaha, now I look like I sell drugs to kiddies :/

We know better or else you would have purchased a better keyboard by now with all the extra money :p
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Tym on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:45:30
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~

Dude Beast just turned 12 he's not an "older" member. I don't see how this is relevant to anything either, THEY MADE A TRADE.

Wait... The_Beast is only 12? I can't trade with him... Sorry, Beast. Deal's off.

Oi Beast...want some Math?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:45:52
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:46:31
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~

^^ +1
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: KangarooZombies on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:47:11
The fact that both of you are denying that there was any trolling involved in the post of those threads is ridiculous.

You wouldn't post a public thread with literally nothing to sell just to do a backdoor trade with one other member.

You're trolling and its not even clever. It's immature.

Kangaroo~
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:47:31
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.

Dude this entire thread is bull****
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:48:10
I just wonder how the mx stuff fits on moose' topre board... (after he has seen the light)  :confused:
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:48:50
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.

Dude this entire thread is bull****
I'm stating a problem I have with ****ty posts in classifieds.  This forum should promote open discussion of its policies.  Sorry for having an opinion.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:49:54
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.

Dude this entire thread is bull****
I'm stating a problem I have with ****ty posts in classifieds.  This forum should promote open discussion of its policies.  Sorry for having an opinion.

Then what is wrong with other people sharing different opinions in this thread?

Whatever, have fun with this circlejerk I'm out.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:50:29
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.

Dude this entire thread is bull****
I'm stating a problem I have with ****ty posts in classifieds.  This forum should promote open discussion of its policies.  Sorry for having an opinion.

Then what is wrong with other people sharing different opinions in this thread?
Saying that this thread is bull**** doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:50:57
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.

Dude this entire thread is bull****
I'm stating a problem I have with ****ty posts in classifieds.  This forum should promote open discussion of its policies.  Sorry for having an opinion.

Then what is wrong with other people sharing different opinions in this thread?
Saying that this thread is bull**** doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

Calling other people's replies bull**** doesn't contribute to anything either

Bull**** thread expect bull**** posts
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: KangarooZombies on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:51:57
Can you guys stop spamming bull**** in here?  This is supposed to be a serious discussion thread.

Dude this entire thread is bull****
I'm stating a problem I have with ****ty posts in classifieds.  This forum should promote open discussion of its policies.  Sorry for having an opinion.

This thread is NECESSARY.

The drama bull**** is not for classifieds.

Classifieds is not a discussion board, and its certainly not a board to be used for circlejerking a two week old issue to stir up unnecessary drama so stop cluttering it with all of this

Kangaroo~
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: acantha on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:53:14
i may or may not agree that the issues raised here are bull****, but i do agree that this is the appropriate forum for the issue, and he doesn't deserve to be treated like a petulant child for having an opinion that is, at the very least, shared by some portion of the user base.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:54:25
When I've had issues with classifieds in the past I pm'd boost about it. Not sure if he is considered the classifieds mod or how that works.

Are moderators assigned specific areas?

Who do we contact about a problem thread/post in classifieds?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:55:09
When I've had issues with classifieds in the past I pm'd boost about it. Not sure if he is considered the classifieds mod or how that works.

Are moderators assigned specific areas?

Who do we contact about a problem thread/post in classifieds?
Idk I figured I would post a thread about it in the proper section so we could have a decent discussion about it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:58:19
I've tried reporting excessive bumping in the past but was told it was fine because of 'who' was doing it and that it was to be expected from 'them'.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:58:37
I'm surprised that someone calling out the whole Good-Old-Boys-Club in a feedback topic didn't get moderated. That is pretty new to Geekhack! I remember when I questioned shady moderatiaon practices in this very forum one day, and my thread was locked with a stupid, vague answer that didn't answer my question!

I'm with MKULTRA here. I don't mind people doing deals by private message... in fact, I am guilty of that one. It's an easy forum for dealing with the meebcaps. I do not like the testing waters threads that exist to build up hype. It's annoying.

We really need to be better at keeping the trolling sane. I did not like that whole MY hype festival that was going on. I'm sure people who were misled into buying a keyboard they were likely to hate also did not appreciate it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 16:59:22
When I've had issues with classifieds in the past I pm'd boost about it. Not sure if he is considered the classifieds mod or how that works.

Are moderators assigned specific areas?

Who do we contact about a problem thread/post in classifieds?

That would have been brilliant, since he's the one that's really patient zero of this outbreak, if we're talking about everyone that does it and not the two that did it today as OP claims.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:00:36
When I've had issues with classifieds in the past I pm'd boost about it. Not sure if he is considered the classifieds mod or how that works.

Are moderators assigned specific areas?

Who do we contact about a problem thread/post in classifieds?

That would have been brilliant, since he's the one that's really patient zero of this outbreak, if we're talking about everyone that does it and not the two that did it today as OP claims.
TJ you are correct, I am talking about EVERYONE who does it.  These latest two threads just prompted me to post this thread.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:01:26
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~

100% agree with this statement.  There were a pair of amusing thread mocking the [TW] and some other threads that went live recently, but there comes a point when it just becomes a circlejerk and/or incites drama. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a major overhaul in the way the classifieds are done, including classifieds requiring photos and photo proof, requiring all sales to clearly state the asking price, having all auctions handled by a third party facilitator so that you don't get people who decide to back out if the price is magically too low at the end, all auctions being made public only, and GH taking a cut of all auctions so that we see a decrease in the absurdity that seems to happen with auction threads and private auction threads.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:02:44
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a major overhaul in the way the classifieds are done, including classifieds requiring photos and photo proof, requiring all sales to clearly state the asking price, having all auctions handled by a third party facilitator, all auctions being made public only, and GH taking a cut of all auctions so that we see a decrease in the absurdity that seems to happen with auction threads and private auction threads.

I'm sure people would move to another site if the FS section was that tight.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:05:15
I'm sure people would move to another site if the FS section was that tight.

And that would be fine with me.  I'd rather see a classifieds section run properly with fewer posters instead of the circlejerking, profiteering, and sometimes shady stuff that I see in there all the time.  Personally, I don't see those as all that tight of rules, just keeping things in check and keeping people more honest.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:05:53
Classifieds are turning into a testing waters circlejerk quickly.

I and many other members would appreciate some moderation on it.

Not only that but the members should know better by now.

Moose and Beast are old school members that know whats up, so quite frankly this immature, unnecessary propagation of drama is unexpected from them.

That being said, just because they are generally respected people, does not mean they shouldn't be taken action on.

Grow up kids.

Kangaroo~

100% agree with this statement.  There were a pair of amusing thread mocking the [TW] and some other threads that went live recently, but there comes a point when it just becomes a circlejerk and/or incites drama. 

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a major overhaul in the way the classifieds are done, including classifieds requiring photos and photo proof, requiring all sales to clearly state the asking price, having all auctions handled by a third party facilitator so that you don't get people who decide to back out if the price is magically too low at the end, all auctions being made public only, and GH taking a cut of all auctions so that we see a decrease in the absurdity that seems to happen with auction threads and private auction threads.

I agree and also some moderation of group buys and clarification when it's a vendor versus regular member etc. Some sort of accountability.

And many forums require photo proof with your username and date etc.

I also think geekhack should get a cut from all the money that changes hands around here to keep the place going.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:06:06
We really need to be better at keeping the trolling sane. I did not like that whole MY hype festival that was going on. I'm sure people who were misled into buying a keyboard they were likely to hate also did not appreciate it.

where people get the idea that that was funny or cute idk
the trolling and butthurt really has to stop
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:09:40
We really need to be better at keeping the trolling sane. I did not like that whole MY hype festival that was going on. I'm sure people who were misled into buying a keyboard they were likely to hate also did not appreciate it.

where people get the idea that that was funny or cute idk
the trolling and butthurt really has to stop

Yeah, that one annoyed me to no end.  I know it was supposed to be a joke since tp4t was temporarily banned and wasn't going off on the "amazing ergodox", but there's a difference between hailing something because you truly love it and want others to as well (which, apparently, he does, making him no different than the Topre proselytes) and recommending junk to be cute and funny.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:10:39
While I agree with you guys.  That is a discussion for another thread.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:17:35
One forum I am a member of insists on an actual photo of the item being sold, or the thread is immediately locked by a mod.

It is a system that works, there is almost no spam there.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:25:58
Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:27:13
Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:27:39
Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?



Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:28:09
When I've had issues with classifieds in the past I pm'd boost about it. Not sure if he is considered the classifieds mod or how that works.

Are moderators assigned specific areas?

Who do we contact about a problem thread/post in classifieds?

At one time we had mods that covered specific subforums, but not any more.  All the mods are "global moderators", and you can PM any of us with any issue.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:28:28
Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?
Also FS threads which have nothing posted in them.  People need to wait to post their threads until they know what they are selling and can list it. 

Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?
Also FS threads which have nothing posted in them.  People need to wait to post their threads until they know what they are selling and can list it. 

And if they are "spin-offs" they are useless spam which doesn't belong in the classifieds forums.  So why aren't they being punished?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:28:59
Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?

Clearly, my opinion is well documented, but YES.

We really need to be better at keeping the trolling sane. I did not like that whole MY hype festival that was going on. I'm sure people who were misled into buying a keyboard they were likely to hate also did not appreciate it.

where people get the idea that that was funny or cute idk
the trolling and butthurt really has to stop

Bruh, you're a'ight, but this is irony, right?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:34:35
Are TW threads really an issue?  It's just been Boost's thread that caused a kerfufle, and all the rest of this has been spin-off of that.  Right?

They can be disappointing, especially when you know it is an established member with some really great things that they might be selling or trading, and then having to wade through dozens of pages of threadcrapping to find out.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:34:50
where people get the idea that that was funny or cute idk
the trolling and butthurt really has to stop
the trolling and butthurt really has to stop
the butthurt really has to stop

;)

<---
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:35:39
;)

implying i'm butthurt
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:36:11
;)

implying i'm butthurt

Tell me again how you traded your Raindrop set for $24?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:37:55
;)

implying i'm butthurt

Tell me again how you traded your Raindrop set for $24?

oh good you saw that then

not like you aren't butthurt about the TW at all :}

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:39:54
And if they are "spin-offs" they are useless spam which doesn't belong in the classifieds forums.  So why aren't they being punished?

They have the utility of being humorous, for some people.  I don't think we need to lock down the classifieds and treat them as hallowed ground.  If something is a genuine problem, then yeah let's make a rule to cover it.  So, two questions:

1) How common are [TW] and "post items later" sales threads?
2) Why are they a problem?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:40:06
This has turned into a pretty useless pissing contest. This is the kind of **** we need less of.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:40:35
Stop spamming in here holy **** take it elsewhere.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: KangarooZombies on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:41:02
useless pissing contest

^

No one likes them except the creators.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:41:04
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:43:23
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:43:28
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....



Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:44:42
And if they are "spin-offs" they are useless spam which doesn't belong in the classifieds forums.  So why aren't they being punished?

They have the utility of being humorous, for some people.  I don't think we need to lock down the classifieds and treat them as hallowed ground.  If something is a genuine problem, then yeah let's make a rule to cover it.  So, two questions:

1) How common are [TW] and "post items later" sales threads?
2) Why are they a problem?
Hash I think the classifieds needs to be a serious place for serious threads.  If you want humor go to off-topic.

1. TW threads have been extremely prevalent lately (whether they are jokes or not)  As far as post items later, I see them often.
2. There is no reason to post a thread announcing your sale when you don't have items to put up yet.  It is simply useless clutter.  They are posting these threads to build up suspense and interest in heir sales (which will likely already have very rare items) which is just unnecessary.  Just post the thread in two hours or the next day when you have pictures and a list of items.  Usually these threads are at 4+ pages before the sale even begins.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:45:06
feed the egos! nomnomnomnom!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:45:57
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....


As an elder member of the community I would really expect more from you.  Stop feeding the drama.  Grow up.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 26 August 2013, 17:48:49
And if they are "spin-offs" they are useless spam which doesn't belong in the classifieds forums.  So why aren't they being punished?

They have the utility of being humorous, for some people.  I don't think we need to lock down the classifieds and treat them as hallowed ground.  If something is a genuine problem, then yeah let's make a rule to cover it.  So, two questions:

1) How common are [TW] and "post items later" sales threads?
2) Why are they a problem?

The question is, at what point is that "some people" helping the community and at what point is it hurting the community.  I think the occasional humorous post like jcrouse's can be a good place to vent/mock some of your frustrations with the classifieds, but there's also a point in time when it starts to hurt the community and just annoy and piss off more people than it amuses.  I'm also not certain that those belong in the classifieds.  Perhaps jcrouse's post should have been in off topic.

To answer your question:

[TW] threads aren't very common, thankfully. 

Why are they a problem?  They're not usually helpful to the community and only cause issues.  To me, TW is something that could easily be done in the what's it worth thread.  Just ask, hey, I might be selling this soon, what's a fair price?  Instead, they generally become shady with people turning them into a secret auction with no transparency.  They're secretly looking to make more than the thing is worth and never list a fair market price because they know some newbie or someone ignorant will probably offer more than it's worth or be convinced to pay way more than it's worth and not have anyone able to call them out on it.  Boost's was a perfect example.  There were a ton of people interested, but he said no one was interested and hid behind all sorts of vague responses.  It was shady and came off as trying to rip people off.  That's the general direction I see most TW threads go. 

Not only that, but as fair as I'm concerned, a testing waters thread is no different than a for sale thread other than it being shady and giving the buyer the ability to not clearly answer any questions in public.  If you think you might want to sell something, there is no reason not to just straight up put it for sale with a set price and make it a transparent sale without any of the "testing waters" BS.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 26 August 2013, 18:17:46
Really? Not in the cool "club" and gonna lose your **** over it...

Pick your battles?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 18:18:43
Really? Not in the cool "club" and gonna lose your **** over it...

Pick your battles?
Yeah that is what this is about
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 26 August 2013, 18:33:18
Mmmm, this was an enjoyable read. 7/10 would read again.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: snoopy on Mon, 26 August 2013, 18:38:46
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....


As an elder member of the community I would really expect more from you.  Stop feeding the drama.  Grow up.

this community is there to have fun, enjoy cool and rare custom keyboards and keycaps together with others, making impossible projects come true and not about ****ting pants cause of some classifieds threads. I also dont like this tw stuff, cause it costs my time. Camping in classifieds for nothing is no fun... Especially when I expect that something really rare comes up that I wanted for long time. But thats ok, I can live with that and I'm not whiny.

AND I dont feed the drama... my last comment was kind of funny, and I think most people got that. The only person feeding the drama is you. you and this ****ty thread about a ****ty topic...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 18:43:45
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....


As an elder member of the community I would really expect more from you.  Stop feeding the drama.  Grow up.

this community is there to have fun, enjoy cool and rare custom keyboards and keycaps together with others, making impossible projects come true and not about ****ting pants cause of some classifieds threads. I also dont like this tw stuff, cause it costs my time. Camping in classifieds for nothing is no fun... Especially when I expect that something really rare comes up that I wanted for long time. But thats ok, I can live with that and I'm not whiny.

AND I dont feed the drama... my last comment was kind of funny, and I think most people got that. The only person feeding the drama is you. you and this ****ty thread about a ****ty topic...

snoopy, I like you. Would you like to join the "cool club"? Please keep this invitation a secret. Your eyes only.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 26 August 2013, 18:49:47
moose makes dubs butthurt.... hmm....


As an elder member of the community I would really expect more from you.  Stop feeding the drama.  Grow up.

this community is there to have fun, enjoy cool and rare custom keyboards and keycaps together with others, making impossible projects come true and not about ****ting pants cause of some classifieds threads. I also dont like this tw stuff, cause it costs my time. Camping in classifieds for nothing is no fun... Especially when I expect that something really rare comes up that I wanted for long time. But thats ok, I can live with that and I'm not whiny.

AND I dont feed the drama... my last comment was kind of funny, and I think most people got that. The only person feeding the drama is you. you and this ****ty thread about a ****ty topic...

snoopy, I like you. Would you like to join the "cool club"? Please keep this invitation a secret. Your eyes only.
Damn I am jealous now!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: funkymeeba on Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:43:02
Just want to point out... threads where people post useless **** like this one are why Deskthority is laughing at Geekhack. That's aimed at the few of you trying your damnedest to derail this thread.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:45:22
Just want to point out... threads where people post useless **** like this one are why Deskthority is laughing at Geekhack. That's aimed at the few of you trying your damnedest to derail this thread.

Oh no, not deskthority laughing. However will we live our lives without their sincere approval?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:50:14
who the **** cares what deskthority thinks?

GH could the squeaky clean and they'd still be on their high horse.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: KangarooZombies on Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:51:14
who the **** cares what deskthority thinks?

GH could the squeaky clean and they'd still be on their high horse.

Thats the forum about desk enthusiasts right?

rite?....
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:51:51
rite right write
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: oneproduct on Mon, 26 August 2013, 21:52:45
I'd like to see an end to them. What bothers me even more though is the trollish or "herp derp" attitude that some of them take. This isn't only in TW threads but just in replies in general in other threads where people are posting "herp derp awwwwwwwwww yeaaaaa so cool" type replies.

We didn't used to have too much of this before but it's becoming fairly prevalent, particularly among some of the more famous regulars when replying to each other. I'm sure it's all in good fun for them, but it's almost painful for me to read, like someone typing in 1337 sp34k. It makes me want to leave these forums because the level of discussion degenerates so much. The group buys and ergonomics subforums are some that are still mostly free of this type of chat and are wonderful and useful, but the "keyboards" and classifieds sometimes have some pretty horrible threads.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:22:04
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42980.msg1017681#msg1017681

We have another person trying to build hype for their sale here... I thought we were all in agreement that this needs to end.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:28:06
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42980.msg1017681#msg1017681

We have another person trying to build hype for their sale here... I thought we were all in agreement that this needs to end.
That's not an entirely new thread.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:29:40
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42980.msg1017681#msg1017681

We have another person trying to build hype for their sale here... I thought we were all in agreement that this needs to end.

so brave of you
you can relax with your classifieds white knighting
there is no clack for sale either, but good guess  ;)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:31:26
Note to self: if it's not clacks, doesn't count and reopen old threads to bypass crinkles.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Sat, 14 September 2013, 16:25:39
I think it is kind of annoying when people post a thread about their upcoming sale to build suspense or whatever.  Can't we just post the thread whenever we have the sale ready?

I recently made the mistake of what some might interpret as a TW post. I'm relatively new here, but the purpose of my post was to illustrate the position one finds oneself in when, after investing a considerable amount of money acquiring the best Model M's I can find, and spending a good deal of effort and time cleaning up the used ones, bolt-modding some of them, verifying the NIB's and NOB's, testing each one, replacing the occasional missing key caps, etc., I now have the monumental task of getting a fair and moderately profitable price for them. I wanted to know if selling them via GH would be any better than selling them on eBay. I guess that constitutes a TW, so to anyone who was offended I apologize profusely.

After posting I became aware of potential "threadcrapping" issues, but still thought I had done interested GH'ers a favor by giving a modest heads-up and possible first chance at some of my boards. If I have to wait until well into next year before posting a sales thread on GH (because of GH restrictions) I may as well start listing them on eBay and give Model M enthusiasts everywhere a chance at them.

Since committing this grievous sin, I have received several PM's and am beginning to see a pattern emerging. Apparently, some GH'ers are living in the past when it comes to pricing expectations. Sure, years ago excellent Model M's (new or used) could be had dirt-cheap every day of the week on eBay and other venues. Those days are over, as the going prices have steadily climbed. I don't mean to be nasty here, but dude if you can't afford more than $30-40 for a used Model M and won't pay more than $100 for a NIB, then I wish you the best of luck. There are a few exceptionally good deals here and there but for the most part, the el cheapos are just that -- picked out dumpsters, filthy dirty, years of accumulated crud under the keys, a bunch of broken or soon-to-fail rivets, and in need of at least several hours of intense cleaning.

So now I'm beginning to think GH may not be the best place after all to sell these boards after all. Oh well...

If a reseller wishes to work for minimum wage restoring old Model M's, then they can sell the cleaned-up M's for little more than they paid for them. I can't do that since like everyone else, I have bills to pay too.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 14 September 2013, 18:31:02
GH is primarily a keyboard-oriented community.

The Classifieds (and GB) forums are here as a courtesy and convenience for the members.

Sometimes people offer, or expect to be offered, lower prices here in a community spirit.  Sometimes prices tend to move upwards, especially for auctions.

If you want the highest price, go eBay.  If you would like to do a favour for a GH community member, by all means try Classifieds first (once you have 60 posts).
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:11:57
So, if I keep this up, soon I will have accumulated the requisite 60 posts. Then I will have the privilege of offering Model M's that are a cut above the typical eBay listings, for prices (as a favour of course) to GH'ers that are a cut (or two) below what I paid for them in the first place (judging from the PM's I received shortly after my admittedly errant post). Don't mean to sound negative, but that's the impression I'm getting so far...

Like one member who just today PM'ed me stating that one can readily obtain NIB Model M's on eBay for less than $100 -- yeah, a year or more ago. But that was then and this is now. I replied that he should show me some examples and I'll buy every one of them. One eBay seller has been selling NIB Lexmark M's successfully for about 5 months at $175 each. I think he's sold about 10-12 of them at that price. I bought 4 from him and wouldn't resell them for the same or less just to do "favours". Last year his price was about half that and a few years before that, his price was around $60. Eight years ago, his price was around $30. Time marches on and so does inflation along with the effects of supply and demand.
 
I'm also dismayed that this forum seems to have an inordinate number of members who are so easily annoyed. FGS, people, lighten up! Kinda reminds me of someone who *****es endlessly about the lousy programming of a particular television station but is unwilling to change the damned channel and watch something else. Righteous indignation is indeed intoxicating -- especially when combined with hypocrisy.

Still, I'm not ready to change the channel just yet. But FGS, can't some of you quit obsessing over something as trivial as a bleepin' custom keycap. Reminds me of some watch forums I used to hang out at, where so many members did little but wax poetic about their latest watch strap instead of marveling at the wondrous intricacy and beauty to be found in the exquisite mechanical watch movements coming out of Switzerland these days. But that's just me, I guess.

To those who may be offended by what I just said, throw as many darts as you please; I can always change the channel if this one becomes tedious...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:16:43
So I see that the word for a female dog is banned. It was replaced by **** in my post. Is this word really so offensive when simply used as a substitute for the word "complains" (as is extremely common even in polite circles). If so I must be in the company of children under the age of 10. That's it -- I'm done. Goodbye, all!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: acantha on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:35:10
 :))
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:51:16
So I see that the word for a female dog is banned. It was replaced by **** in my post. Is this word really so offensive when simply used as a substitute for the word "complains" (as is extremely common even in polite circles). If so I must be in the company of children under the age of 10. That's it -- I'm done. Goodbye, all!

lol.  Buh bye.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:52:35
So I see that the word for a female dog is banned. It was replaced by **** in my post. Is this word really so offensive when simply used as a substitute for the word "complains" (as is extremely common even in polite circles). If so I must be in the company of children under the age of 10. That's it -- I'm done. Goodbye, all!

You can uncensor words in the settings you cry baby
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 14 September 2013, 20:55:42
So I see that the word for a female dog is banned. It was replaced by **** in my post. Is this word really so offensive when simply used as a substitute for the word "complains" (as is extremely common even in polite circles). If so I must be in the company of children under the age of 10. That's it -- I'm done. Goodbye, all!

You can uncensor words in the settings you cry baby

Yeah, 11 posts and he's already complaining about getting low-balled on his refurbished Model M's, and not being able to swear.  Maybe this isn't the right forum for him.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 14 September 2013, 23:08:09
yeah stop *****ing
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: acantha on Sat, 14 September 2013, 23:17:10
So I see that the word for a female dog is banned. It was replaced by **** in my post. Is this word really so offensive when simply used as a substitute for the word "complains" (as is extremely common even in polite circles). If so I must be in the company of children under the age of 10. That's it -- I'm done. Goodbye, all!

You can uncensor words in the settings you cry baby

no ****. i didn't know you could ****in' do that. tits!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Binge on Sat, 14 September 2013, 23:28:50
When he learns he is censoring himself... he's going to realize that he needs to make up a new thing to be upset with, and then the story of GH will get even more interesting.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Sun, 15 September 2013, 20:17:24
Wtf is he crying about?  And why is this discussion still going on I'm way over this...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 18:11:29
He wanted "the best offer I can over $350. Shipping is extra but will be charged without mark-up." for a new 1390120... He apparently paid $220 for it, even though it's the model without lock LEDs... I was the one who pointed out that there are still plenty of NIB/NOB Model M's on ebay that can be had for $100 or less, seeing as I got 2 of them in March and have seen others since (but not in time to get them myself). It seems that he himself may be the reason for NIB/NOB "inflation" on ebay as he has been paying those highly inflated prices for them, only to try and resell them here or on ebay for even more... Plus this isn't really the appropriate thread for this rant of his. He was pissed when I told him I probably wouldn't pay more than $200 for a NIB/NOB Model M, even though that's a decent number and it's more than what I paid for my 2 NOB combined. It's funny that he says that we're so easily annoyed, and yet I had to tell him to chill out and was perfectly calm in all my PMs.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 19:46:38
The_Ed's post is full of lies. I was not pissed about anything relating to the attempted transaction involving the 1390120. I told him that I paid $220, and that is correct. But I was not upset at all when he rejected my initial offer to sell it to him for best price I could get over $350. That was my opening offer. In most negotiations a seller offers a price that's a bit high and the buyer offers a price that's a bit low and then the two meet somewhere in the middle. His assertions about current prices for NIB/NOB Model M's are both unrealistic and untrue. He said NIB/NOB's can be had regularly for less than $100. Not in my experience over the past 5 months on eBay. I said if he could find any at that price I would gladly buy them all. No anger here, just a simple statement of fact.

It is most disappointing that there are people here who cannot tell the truth. I was never "crying" about anything. Read my goddam posts! I was annoyed about the censoring of a word that not only is not a swear word, but is also in common use as a slang synonym for "complain" , i.e., "to *****" about something. Specifically to ***** about TW posts -- which while annoying to some may be very useful to others. The point of my own complaint about these whiners was to move on ("change the channel") if you don't like what you're reading rather than "*****" about it. If GH is going to be barraged constantly by whiners who also lie about things, then I have no interest in participating. If you have a problem with this, then it's your problem!

Getting back to the 1390120, if The_Ed wishes to buy one of these or as he said he really wanted, a 1390131 as NIB or even NOB, he's certainly welcome to look elsewhere and I wish him luck. He told me to "chill out" because I informed him that he was dreaming if he expected prices to remain static at levels he found some time ago. Try searching eBay every day, all day and all evening long for the 5 or 6 months that I've been doing so, and then you'll see how wrong The_Ed is in this matter.

I was not actually planning to sell anything yet anyway. I mentioned my collection and plans to sell in the future and my dismay over the fact that even bolt-modded M's from experts like Harry don't seem to fetch more than $70. If you've ever done a full bolt mod (not a partial) you'll know how much painstaking work is involved. Not everyone can afford to work for nearly nothing, so $70 is way cheap for a bolt-modded M in excellent condition, clean, and fully-functional.

I'm annoyed by the rotten attitude so many have displayed recently on GH in reference to my complaint about censorship and the fact that some will continue trying to discredit me for being simply annoyed to the point of leaving the forum. Whether I leave or not is none of your frickin' business and doesn't warrant so much vitriol and downright bull**** from what I assumed were grownups. Go back to your silly worship of trivial objects and leave me in peace.

And BTW, what I'm willing to pay for an item is also none of your frickin' business. Do you really expect me to pass on an item just to drive the price down so you can buy it for less? Are you really that presumptuous? I can easily afford to pay the prices that I do pay, and if my reselling price offer is too high, make a decent counteroffer or get lost! I spent several hours rummaging through my collection to find a Model M for The_Ed, with a "gold-colored" backplate, because The_Ed said it was pretty and that's what he wanted. He said he was after a 1390131 preferably, but I missed that upon first reading of his PM, and set about looking for pre-1391401's with the magic gold backplate just to please him. He insisted that these could easily be had on eBay NIB for less than $100. So why on earth doesn't he just shut the hell up and go look for one. No skin off my nose, I simply tried to honor his request and wasn't "crying" or even upset that he wasn't interested in going any further with the negotiation.

I mentioned this in passing in a previous post, only because I find it disappointing that so many Model M enthusiasts on GH expect extremely low prices on very rare items. Just how many NIB 1390131's or 1390120's can The_Ed find for less than $100? I dare him to find any. If he does, I'll offer to buy them from him at $200 each. Any bets on who wins this one?

I said I was leaving GH, but find that some flamers out there have way too much time on their hands and use it to spew their nasty bile all over well-meaning individuals. And for the last time, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE CENSOR SETTING -- just as many GH'ers didn't either until now. I thought a forum comprised of mature and intelligent folks wouldn't need to be censored. When I was censored, I thought a moderator did it and I was shocked that there would be such a pansy-ass response to the innocent usage of the word "*****". I didn't use it to insult any women, did I? I didn't use it in the lyrics of a gangsta/hip-hop poor excuse for music, did I?

It was suggested that I am stupid and an idiot. Let me tell the little jerks who made these remarks something: it is you who are stupid idiots. It is you who can't afford more than $100 for a vintage NIB Model M -- not me. And that's because I'm smart enough to earn a very solid and honest living by bringing real value into this world. Go get yourself a pair of Maui Jim PolarizedPlus2 sunglasses with MJ's GLASS lenses not the plastic ones. Go out on a nice clear day in colorful surroundings and see what they do for you, then tell me just how stupid and idiotic I must be for inventing and patenting them! I dare you to do this, that is if you poor little whiners can afford a pair...I earn royalties on that patent and enjoy every penny knowing that it was EARNED.

If anyone doubts anything I've said, PM me and I'll be happy to copy you on PM's I've sent to The_Ed or anyone else for that matter. I have nothing to hide and am proud of my attempts to communicate with those who can't seem to remain civil and reasonably polite. One last thought: I'm always amazed at how vehemently intolerant some atheists are with regard to those who have faith in God. You know who you are, and you behave like Dracula facing the sun at high noon.

Pardon any typos, as I am trying in a limited amount of time (as I am very busy today) to express a multitude of thoughts and disappointments with GH'ers who apparently can't handle the naked truth of their own mean spirit and lack of understanding. Grow up, get a brain, learn how to use it, then get a life!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 19:57:39
Again, chill out... With each post/PM you get worse and worse...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 19:59:32
Again, chill out... With each post/PM you get worse and worse...

And with each of your posts you dig yourself further and further into total dumbness and lack of understanding of even the simplest of concepts!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:08:21
holy crumpled
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:12:29
You see, The_Ed bought a badly-damaged M for less than $100 -- it had a barrel frame that was cracked into 2 pieces. Yet he feels that a NIB can easily have such severe damage and still be considered "NIB" -- kinda like a brand-new car with a cracked engine block, huh? Rill smort, huh? Would you unwittingly buy a new car, only to find out later that it has a cracked engine block, and yet still consider it "new" after you crudely weld it back together (assuming you don't have professional welding skills)? Would you then try to resell it as a "New" car? And just what kind of price do you think it would fetch? QED, again...
#LOGIC -- the real kind, that is.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:25:16
I bought 2 NOB Model M's from a seller on ebay in March. An '86 1390120 (with the dust cover!) for $58.40 shipped/paypaled (it was relisted a few times, and getting cheaper), and an '87 1390131 for $100 shipped/paypaled after that (I offered him more than I could have gotten it for just in case somebody would find it). I have no idea why nobody else bought that 120 other than it is a model without lock LEDs. The 131 was flawless, the 120 came with it's barrel frame cracked in half and 2/3 its rivets gone. But I consider NOB to be something that has never been used, but the box has been opened. These were never used, thus NOB in my book.

Maybe you should go make yourself a rum and coke and chill (I am, though instead of coke I used barq's root beer today).
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:32:02
By eBay standards, I think "New" whether sealed-box or opened-box means, at the very least, undamaged and fully functional without needing repairs. Mr. Ed disagrees and thinks a broken item qualifies. Who would you trust if you were buying?

And I don't drink alcoholic beverages to "chill out" -- don't need it. I think you must be drinking KoolAid laced with acid or something worse. You need to chill out and stop trying to cut me down. I'll make mincemeat of you in any debate about anything, so just keep swingin' at the breeze! Sooner or later, you just might hit it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:34:45
This thread just keeps on giving. :thumb:
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:36:13
This thread just keeps on giving. :thumb:

Glad you're enjoying it -- so am I. Amazing how little effort it takes...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:40:18
Mike48, you a stupie. y u so dubm?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:41:58
what a dumb
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:42:32
Regardless of your opinion on my NOB 120 (shipping can be rough on a Model M), my flawless NOB 131 was $100 shipped/paypaled as per my offer to the seller. And because the 120 arrived in less than expected condition I was given a $30 refund (thus bringing the price down to $58.40). All per ebay regulations and standards.

I like koolaid, but I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol to chill out, and I've never once gotten drunk. As my Dad would say "It's not smart to pray to the porcelain god". (the toilet)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:44:16
Regardless of your opinion on my NOB 120 (shipping can be rough on a Model M), my flawless NOB 131 was $100 shipped/paypaled as per my offer to the seller. And because the 120 arrived in less than expected condition I was given a $30 refund (thus bringing the price down to $58.40). All per ebay regulations and standards.

I like koolaid, but I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol to chill out, and I've never once gotten drunk. As my Dad would say "It's not smart to pray to the porcelain god". (the toilet)

and it's also not smart to argue with someone smarter than you...he did teach you that too, right?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:45:23
Regardless of your opinion on my NOB 120 (shipping can be rough on a Model M), my flawless NOB 131 was $100 shipped/paypaled as per my offer to the seller. And because the 120 arrived in less than expected condition I was given a $30 refund (thus bringing the price down to $58.40). All per ebay regulations and standards.

I like koolaid, but I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol to chill out, and I've never once gotten drunk. As my Dad would say "It's not smart to pray to the porcelain god". (the toilet)

and it's also not smart to argue with someone smarter than you...he did teach you that too, right?

What qualifies you as smarter than The_Ed?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:45:32
2muchsmart4me
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:45:57
I'd like to invite everyone here to breathe deeply and reflect on the calming symmetry of my avatar

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=34868;type=avatar)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:46:34
Regardless of your opinion on my NOB 120 (shipping can be rough on a Model M), my flawless NOB 131 was $100 shipped/paypaled as per my offer to the seller. And because the 120 arrived in less than expected condition I was given a $30 refund (thus bringing the price down to $58.40). All per ebay regulations and standards.

I like koolaid, but I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol to chill out, and I've never once gotten drunk. As my Dad would say "It's not smart to pray to the porcelain god". (the toilet)

and it's also not smart to argue with someone smarter than you...he did teach you that too, right?

What qualifies you as smarter than The_Ed?

does the ed own 3 patents?

check mate, mike48.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:46:58
Regardless of your opinion on my NOB 120 (shipping can be rough on a Model M), my flawless NOB 131 was $100 shipped/paypaled as per my offer to the seller. And because the 120 arrived in less than expected condition I was given a $30 refund (thus bringing the price down to $58.40). All per ebay regulations and standards.

I like koolaid, but I don't do drugs. I don't drink alcohol to chill out, and I've never once gotten drunk. As my Dad would say "It's not smart to pray to the porcelain god". (the toilet)

and it's also not smart to argue with someone smarter than you...he did teach you that too, right?

What qualifies you as smarter than The_Ed?

does the ed own 3 patents?

check mate, mike48.

**** me!

It's not like ANYONE can get a patent! You must have to have an IQ of 12,000 to get one of those!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:47:28
If you don't like it here, and all us whiners and telling us how stupid we are, feel free to see yourself out. This community was here for a long time before you and will continue without you. If you don't like that, we're sorry we're not sorry. Bye now. Don't let the door hit your ego on the way out.

Your first handful of posts were about:
a) Making a profit off us
b) Complaining about us

If you want to sell us things, don't belittle us. People won't buy from you if you make them feel stupid. Business 101.

You win arguments by bludgeoning people with the fact that you have a patent? You're not the only one that has one. I'm applying for one too.

Come at me bro. You're not the only "smart" guy on GH. I'm going to go enhance my calm now. Talk to you never again.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:48:37
I'd like to invite everyone here to breathe deeply and reflect on the calming symmetry of my avatar

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=34868;type=avatar)


She got that fishy fishy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A8ZF7MM7J0)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:48:37
Mike48, you a stupie. y u so dubm?

Y u not spel gud?
U flunc outta skoul?

P.S. Maybe try typing with fingers, not just thumbs...it helps
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:49:40
Mike48, you a stupie. y u so dubm?

Y u not spel gud?
U flunc outta skoul?

P.S. Maybe try typing with fingers, not just thumbs...it helps

To be fair, he is typing with hooves
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:50:14
Mike48, you a stupie. y u so dubm?

Y u not spel gud?
U flunc outta skoul?

P.S. Maybe try typing with fingers, not just thumbs...it helps

To be fair, he is typing with hooves

"hooves"

"thumbs"
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:52:53
**** me!

It's not like ANYONE can get a patent! You must have to have an IQ of 12,000 to get one of those!

*Poor people can't get patents, ya gots ta have teh moneyz... (God it's painful to write improperly...)

If you don't like it here, and all us whiners and telling us how stupid we are, feel free to see yourself out. This community was here for a long time before you and will continue without you. If you don't like that, we're sorry we're not sorry. Bye now. Don't let the door hit your ego on the way out.

Your first handful of posts were about:
a) Making a profit off us
b) Complaining about us

If you want to sell us things, don't belittle us. People won't buy from you if you make them feel stupid. Business 101.

You win arguments by bludgeoning people with the fact that you have a patent? You're not the only one that has one. I'm applying for one too.

Come at me bro. You're not the only "smart" guy on GH. I'm going to go enhance my calm now. Talk to you never again.

Couldn't have said it better myself!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:53:23
Mike48, you a stupie. y u so dubm?

Y u not spel gud?
U flunc outta skoul?

P.S. Maybe try typing with fingers, not just thumbs...it helps

you seem very very familiar..

(http://images.containerstore.com/catalogimages/127332/EZ-1003_glossy-white_l.jpg)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:53:57
You need to chill out and stop trying to cut me down. I'll make mincemeat of you in any debate about anything, so just keep swingin' at the breeze! Sooner or later, you just might hit it.


I'm smart enough to earn a very solid and honest living by bringing real value into this world. Go get yourself a pair of Maui Jim PolarizedPlus2 sunglasses with MJ's GLASS lenses not the plastic ones. Go out on a nice clear day in colorful surroundings and see what they do for you, then tell me just how stupid and idiotic I must be for inventing and patenting them! I dare you to do this, that is if you poor little whiners can afford a pair...I earn royalties on that patent and enjoy every penny knowing that it was EARNED.

If you don't like it here, and all us whiners and telling us how stupid we are, feel free to see yourself out. This community was here for a long time before you and will continue without you. If you don't like that, we're sorry we're not sorry. Bye now. Don't let the door hit your ego on the way out.

Your first handful of posts were about:
a) Making a profit off us
b) Complaining about us

If you want to sell us things, don't belittle us. People won't buy from you if you make them feel stupid. Business 101.

You win arguments by bludgeoning people with the fact that you have a patent? You're not the only one that has one. I'm applying for one too.

Come at me bro. You're not the only "smart" guy on GH. I'm going to go enhance my calm now. Talk to you never again.

My first posts were not about making a profit off you. Read them again.
You and your fellow GH'ers have done far more whining about me than I have done about you.
I'll leave when I'm good and ready to, or get booted for telling the truth.
And I don't care either way.
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:55:15
Again, chill out... With each post/PM you get worse and worse...
OH MY GOD, ED, ED <EED do you realize what just happened?!?!?! someone just out-aspergered you?!?!?!


HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPPEN!?!?!?!?!

THIS IS AMAZING

THIS GUY IS NOW LEGENDARY!!!!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:55:31
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

It's a shame you can't show how truly smart you are, sir.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:55:43
oh my god i'm about to fall out of my chair!!!!

hashbaz is blowing the conch!!!

the keepers are going to record this for the history boooks!!!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:55:47
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

Says the guy who does the exact opposite with multiple thousand word posts...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:55:56
Mike48, you a stupie. y u so dubm?

Y u not spel gud?
U flunc outta skoul?

P.S. Maybe try typing with fingers, not just thumbs...it helps

To be fair, he is typing with hooves

I guess that does explain it... <grin> and LOL
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:56:03
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

It's a shame you can't show how truly smart you are, sir.

List of Burn Centers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:56:16
HOLY CRAP

I"M STILL SHOCKED
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:57:10
you know, i was going to file a patent today, but that just took the wind out of me. MY WIND IS GONE, AND YOU TOOK IT MIKE
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:58:04
you know, i was going to file a patent today, but that just took the wind out of me. MY WIND IS GONE, AND YOU TOOK IT MIKE

I bet he patents this  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:58:18
We need to settle the issue of Model M prices once and for all by resorting to the ancient tradition of the PATENT BATTLE.

Cap'n and Mike, choose your best patent, Pokemon style.  Ready ...

FIGHT
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:58:40
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

It's a shame you can't show how truly smart you are, sir.

It's a bigger shame that you can't think of something more clever to say.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:58:54
My first posts were not about making a profit off you. Read them again.
You and your fellow GH'ers have done far more whining about me than I have done about you.
I'll leave when I'm good and ready to, or get booted for telling the truth.
And I don't care either way.
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

From this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48350.msg1037320#msg1037320)

Thanks for that bit of reassurance, Elrick. I should be ready to start offering these in a month or so. Not sure if I'll be able to post them here on GH, being a newbie to this forum, so I'm trying to decide between eBay and starting my own website specializing in all bolt-modded Model M's only. I've even got a few NIB SSK's, but had to pay so much to get them that I don't know if I can sell them at enough of a profit to make it all worthwhile.

What post would you say that was of yours?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:59:06
you know, i was going to file a patent today, but that just took the wind out of me. MY WIND IS GONE, AND YOU TOOK IT MIKE

I bet he patents this  :rolleyes:

HE'S GOING TO PATENT THE WIND IN KAWAS?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:59:40
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

It's a shame you can't show how truly smart you are, sir.

It's a bigger shame that you can't think of something more clever to say.

I don't need to defeat you with my intelligence when you do it for me with your stupidity.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 16 September 2013, 20:59:59
i would say i'm speechless, but i just said "i'm speechless"

that one was for you ED. FOR YOUR PAST GLORY

WE HAVE A NEW ED NOW AND HIS NAME IS MIKE
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:00:32
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

It's a shame you can't show how truly smart you are, sir.

It's a bigger shame that you can't think of something more clever to say.

I don't need to defeat you with my intelligence when you do it for me with your stupidity.

(http://img.pandawhale.com/47778-wrestler-dis-gon-b-gud-gif-Img-O4EB.gif)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:00:39
i wrote a screenplay

am i smert?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:00:59
i wrote a screenplay

am i smert?

Did you patent it?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:01:27
Again, chill out... With each post/PM you get worse and worse...
OH MY GOD, ED, ED <EED do you realize what just happened?!?!?! someone just out-aspergered you?!?!?!


HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPPEN!?!?!?!?!

THIS IS AMAZING

THIS GUY IS NOW LEGENDARY!!!!

I'm chillin' right now. I'll spam GH later. This is his time to shine right now. And the hottest suns burn the fastest.

i would say i'm speechless, but i just said "i'm speechless"

that one was for you ED. FOR YOUR PAST GLORY

WE HAVE A NEW ED NOW AND HIS NAME IS MIKE

That title is not one that can be passed to another.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:01:59
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

Says the guy who does the exact opposite with multiple thousand word posts...

Yeah, those are really tough on you, aren't they. A friend of mine from grammar school in the early 60's once said: "If ya can't convince 'em, confuse 'em." It actually worked this time. Amazing...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:03:36
you know, i was going to file a patent today, but that just took the wind out of me. MY WIND IS GONE, AND YOU TOOK IT MIKE

I bet he patents this  :rolleyes:

HE'S GOING TO PATENT THE WIND IN KAWAS?

Only when it escapes him. 

Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:04:07
i wrote a screenplay

am i smert?

Did you patent it?

maeby
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:04:27
i wrote a screenplay

am i smert?

Did you patent it?

maeby

How will I know how smart you are if you don't patent it?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:05:06
My first posts were not about making a profit off you. Read them again.
You and your fellow GH'ers have done far more whining about me than I have done about you.
I'll leave when I'm good and ready to, or get booted for telling the truth.
And I don't care either way.
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

From this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48350.msg1037320#msg1037320)


Thanks for that bit of reassurance, Elrick. I should be ready to start offering these in a month or so. Not sure if I'll be able to post them here on GH, being a newbie to this forum, so I'm trying to decide between eBay and starting my own website specializing in all bolt-modded Model M's only. I've even got a few NIB SSK's, but had to pay so much to get them that I don't know if I can sell them at enough of a profit to make it all worthwhile.

What post would you say that was of yours?

The one where I tried to explain why I can't sell things for less than I paid for them, or at break-even prices. I'm trying to convince you that I'm not stupid, remember?
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:05:08
i wrote a screenplay

am i smert?

Did you patent it?

maeby

How will I know how smart you are if you don't patent it?

the screenplay is about submitting patents.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:06:07
i wrote a screenplay

am i smert?

Did you patent it?

maeby

How will I know how smart you are if you don't patent it?

the screenplay is about submitting patents.

You name is now Jerry
(http://wac.9ebf.edgecastcdn.net/809EBF/ec-origin.philly.barstoolsports.com/files/2012/10/thats-gold-jerry.gif)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:06:23
My first posts were not about making a profit off you. Read them again.
You and your fellow GH'ers have done far more whining about me than I have done about you.
I'll leave when I'm good and ready to, or get booted for telling the truth.
And I don't care either way.
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

From this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48350.msg1037320#msg1037320)


Thanks for that bit of reassurance, Elrick. I should be ready to start offering these in a month or so. Not sure if I'll be able to post them here on GH, being a newbie to this forum, so I'm trying to decide between eBay and starting my own website specializing in all bolt-modded Model M's only. I've even got a few NIB SSK's, but had to pay so much to get them that I don't know if I can sell them at enough of a profit to make it all worthwhile.

What post would you say that was of yours?

The one where I tried to explain why I can't sell things for less than I paid for them, or at break-even prices. I'm trying to convince you that I'm not stupid, remember?

You're doing a bad job by trying to explain the economics on NIB keyboards that you overpay for, and then expect everyone else to do the same.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:07:40
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

Says the guy who does the exact opposite with multiple thousand word posts...

Yeah, those are really tough on you, aren't they. A friend of mine from grammar school in the early 60's once said: "If ya can't convince 'em, confuse 'em." It actually worked this time. Amazing...

I read every word of them, but am too lazy to refute your sheer volume of vitriol that you've spewn onto this forum. You resorted to insulting me and my intelligence, and it hasn't worked.

I'm trying to convince you that I'm not stupid, remember?

You coulda fooled me, I thought you were trying to prove the opposite. And yet you keep biting the bait...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:10:14
Again, chill out... With each post/PM you get worse and worse...
OH MY GOD, ED, ED <EED do you realize what just happened?!?!?! someone just out-aspergered you?!?!?!


HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPPEN!?!?!?!?!

THIS IS AMAZING

THIS GUY IS NOW LEGENDARY!!!!

I'm chillin' right now. I'll spam GH later. This is his time to shine right now. And the hottest suns burn the fastest.

i would say i'm speechless, but i just said "i'm speechless"

that one was for you ED. FOR YOUR PAST GLORY

WE HAVE A NEW ED NOW AND HIS NAME IS MIKE

That title is not one that can be passed to another.

Why, thank you! Thank you very much (bowing) Thank you very much (bowing) The audience stands in a roaring round of applause..."Can we please have an encore, Mike48?" Why yes, I'd be happy to oblige, stay tuned while I have some dinner and if you're still here when I come back, I may do just that...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:11:34
Wow, I just realized that he's helping me reach 2000 (counted) posts! Where's my custom title of "Special ED" ming?!
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:14:18
My first posts were not about making a profit off you. Read them again.
You and your fellow GH'ers have done far more whining about me than I have done about you.
I'll leave when I'm good and ready to, or get booted for telling the truth.
And I don't care either way.
If you want to show how smart you are, do it by shutting up.

From this post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48350.msg1037320#msg1037320)


Thanks for that bit of reassurance, Elrick. I should be ready to start offering these in a month or so. Not sure if I'll be able to post them here on GH, being a newbie to this forum, so I'm trying to decide between eBay and starting my own website specializing in all bolt-modded Model M's only. I've even got a few NIB SSK's, but had to pay so much to get them that I don't know if I can sell them at enough of a profit to make it all worthwhile.

What post would you say that was of yours?

The one where I tried to explain why I can't sell things for less than I paid for them, or at break-even prices. I'm trying to convince you that I'm not stupid, remember?

You're doing a bad job by trying to explain the economics on NIB keyboards that you overpay for, and then expect everyone else to do the same.

Of course, I could have just as easily not "overpaid" but then I wouldn't have acquired what I wanted. Someone paid $320 for a USED SSK on eBay just the other day. Prices go up in response to demand. When demand continues (as it will for a long time) for rare items, the price necessarily goes up. People with low budgets complain and always have. Life goes on...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:17:03
"I read every word of them, but am too lazy to refute your sheer volume of vitriol that you've spewn onto this forum. You resorted to insulting me and my intelligence, and it hasn't worked."

Oh pa-leeze! You have no clue what vitriol really is. A tiny bit of the real thing and you would fold like a paper doll in the wind.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:21:14
Of course, I could have just as easily not "overpaid" but then I wouldn't have acquired what I wanted. Someone paid $320 for a USED SSK on eBay just the other day. Prices go up in response to demand. When demand continues (as it will for a long time) for rare items, the price necessarily goes up. People with low budgets complain and always have. Life goes on...

But you wanted $350 + shipping/paypal for a 1390120, which is a fullsize that doesn't have lock LEDs. And as I told you in the PMs "But $350 is an industrial/SSK level price (and even then quite a few go for cheaper)." Just because you *can* get over $300 for an SSK doesn't mean ANY NIB/NOB Model M will break that range.

"I read every word of them, but am too lazy to refute your sheer volume of vitriol that you've spewn onto this forum. You resorted to insulting me and my intelligence, and it hasn't worked."

Oh pa-leeze! You have no clue what vitriol really is. A tiny bit of the real thing and you would fold like a paper doll in the wind.

LMGTFY:
Quote
vit·ri·ol
ˈvitrēəl,-ˌôl/
noun
1.
cruel and bitter criticism.
"her mother's sudden gush of fury and vitriol"
2.
archaicliterary
sulfuric acid.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:33:42
Mike, sincere question: are you new to online forums?

Despite what you seem to think, you are not winning this exchange. You brought the annoyance and mockery of this community down on yourself with your laughably entitled attitude, and with every post you invite more pile-on.  Before too much longer you are going to cause this thread to be closed.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:39:43
In case everyone is wondering why I am making so many posts at this time of the day, the porn is 503...

(http://ehgt.org/g/derpy.gif)

Mike, sincere question: are you new to online forums?

Despite what you seem to think, you are not winning this exchange. You brought the annoyance and mockery of this community down on yourself with your laughably entitled attitude, and with every post you invite more pile-on.  Before too much longer you are going to cause this thread to be closed.

Nooo! Don't close it! Then we won't be able to see him supernova and transcend to a black troll hole!...
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:40:38
this guy reminds me of glossywhite.

he thought he was better than everybody and he loved himself some model m
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:43:33
I was going to go poop earlier but started reading this thread and forgot about it.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:47:13
this guy reminds me of glossywhite.

he thought he was better than everybody and he loved himself some model m

Wow, that's an old reference. I had to do a quick search! He rage quit on April Fools! That's some epic ironic timing he had.

I was going to go poop earlier but started reading this thread and forgot about it.

Don't hold it in, but conversely don't push too hard.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: demik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:48:46
this guy reminds me of glossywhite.

he thought he was better than everybody and he loved himself some model m

Wow, that's an old reference. I had to do a quick search! He rage quit on April Fools! That's some epic ironic timing he had.

I was going to go poop earlier but started reading this thread and forgot about it.

Don't hold it in, but conversely don't push too hard.

remember when he quit he came back with a model m # as his second sn and was trying to push model Ms for sale and got butt hurt when nobody would bite.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:51:46
Not cool Ming! Why do you give Mike48 a custom title when I ask for one?!...

Wow, I just realized that he's helping me reach 2000 (counted) posts! Where's my custom title of "Special ED" ming?!

NOT. COOL.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: bueller on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:52:45
Lol I love how this thread has just devolved into people taking the piss out of Mike while he continues on his rants. Give up mate, no one gives a toss.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 16 September 2013, 21:55:19
The one where I tried to explain why I can't sell things for less than I paid for them, or at break-even prices.

I'm smart enough to earn a very solid and honest living by bringing real value into this world. Go get yourself a pair of Maui Jim PolarizedPlus2 sunglasses with MJ's GLASS lenses not the plastic ones. Go out on a nice clear day in colorful surroundings and see what they do for you, then tell me just how stupid and idiotic I must be for inventing and patenting them! I dare you to do this, that is if you poor little whiners can afford a pair...I earn royalties on that patent and enjoy every penny knowing that it was EARNED.

But Mr. Patent, you're obviously rolling in it from all your royalties! Why do you need profit?

I'm trying to convince you that I'm not stupid, remember?

See above LOL. Ok ok, now I'm done. Have fun talking to yourself.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: elttaboi on Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:12:14
I think some people value intelligence too much. lol
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:15:02
This is pretty funny.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:21:11
I still don't understand why he chose this thread to vent in...

Oh well, maybe I should continue my endpoint research and be productive now... Or do my homework...

My ******* itches again... You guys should be grateful that your ass doesn't bleed everytime you have to take a ****... My poor ass and reddish brown stained underwear... (It's been like this for many months now...)
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:37:55
Mike, sincere question: are you new to online forums?

Despite what you seem to think, you are not winning this exchange. You brought the annoyance and mockery of this community down on yourself with your laughably entitled attitude, and with every post you invite more pile-on.  Before too much longer you are going to cause this thread to be closed.

Please be my guest and close this dumb thread before your friends burn it down.

The mockery by people who obviously don't understand simple logic is not hurtful at all to me, it's merely tedious. With regard to NIB M pricing, an eBay seller has sold well over a dozen NIB Lexmark M's (fullsize) for $175 recently. NIB Lexmarks are far more commonplace than NIB 1391010's in absolutely perfect new condition with all rivets intact but I guess the $200 + $20 shipping I paid was considered by Mr. Ed as being far too much. Well, compared to his broken one, I guess it was a lot. But then again, I didn't buy it in order to sell it off immediately. As I originally stated IIRC (many posts ago) I was going to wait a year or two when the going prices had climbed some more -- like any smart investor would do.

I guess GH'ers feel that any vendor who makes a reasonable profit is obviously "up to no good". Well I didn't know GH was run and frequented by communists. Tell you what, go live in North Korea for a while and then tell me how wonderful a non-capitalist society is.

In regard to the quote about my being concerned that I would have difficulty making enough profit off the sale of some recently-purchased NIB SSK's to make it worthwhile (as in worthwhile buying them to begin with, since I did buy them in order to resell in a couple of years), that doesn't mean I'm out to rip off GH'ers like some of the fancy gaming keyboards you people buy, and which often generate 100% markup for their retailers. I'm not looking for 100% markup. I'm not Santa Claus either. I'm not going to sell anything for less than I paid for it nor for the same as I paid. Repeat, I am not Santa Claus. Get over it.

Now I'll leave you poor little flamers to keep flaming until you burn holes in each other's screens. I really do have far better things to do with my time. A recent GH acquaintance who is a real gentleman, something you wouldn't know anything about, told me I should stay on rather than leave, but just ignore the bozos. So I'll try to take his advice. Flame on! I'll be laughing at you the whole time.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: bueller on Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:48:36
Mike, sincere question: are you new to online forums?

Despite what you seem to think, you are not winning this exchange. You brought the annoyance and mockery of this community down on yourself with your laughably entitled attitude, and with every post you invite more pile-on.  Before too much longer you are going to cause this thread to be closed.

Please be my guest and close this dumb thread before your friends burn it down.

The mockery by people who obviously don't understand simple logic is not hurtful at all to me, it's merely tedious. With regard to NIB M pricing, an eBay seller has sold well over a dozen NIB Lexmark M's (fullsize) for $175 recently. NIB Lexmarks are far more commonplace than NIB 1391010's in absolutely perfect new condition with all rivets intact but I guess the $200 + $20 shipping I paid was considered by Mr. Ed as being far too much. Well, compared to his broken one, I guess it was a lot. But then again, I didn't buy it in order to sell it off immediately. As I originally stated IIRC (many posts ago) I was going to wait a year or two when the going prices had climbed some more -- like any smart investor would do.

I guess GH'ers feel that any vendor who makes a reasonable profit is obviously "up to no good". Well I didn't know GH was run and frequented by communists. Tell you what, go live in North Korea for a while and then tell me how wonderful a non-capitalist society is.

In regard to the quote about my being concerned that I would have difficulty making enough profit off the sale of some recently-purchased NIB SSK's to make it worthwhile (as in worthwhile buying them to begin with, since I did buy them in order to resell in a couple of years), that doesn't mean I'm out to rip off GH'ers like some of the fancy gaming keyboards you people buy, and which often generate 100% markup for their retailers. I'm not looking for 100% markup. I'm not Santa Claus either. I'm not going to sell anything for less than I paid for it nor for the same as I paid. Repeat, I am not Santa Claus. Get over it.

Now I'll leave you poor little flamers to keep flaming until you burn holes in each other's screens. I really do have far better things to do with my time. A recent GH acquaintance who is a real gentleman, something you wouldn't know anything about, told me I should stay on rather than leave, but just ignore the bozos. So I'll try to take his advice. Flame on! I'll be laughing at you the whole time.

No one cares.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: The_Ed on Mon, 16 September 2013, 22:52:42
I guess Model M scalping is the new ticket scalping/stock trading. $200 IS too much when there are better deals to be had on ebay, and you seem fixated on my 120 while ignoring my 131. Here's to hoping the recent price bubble crashes, and that your investment fails. I prefer the cheap NOB Model M's that ebay offers as I can simply fix 'em up.

A gentleman?! On WalletHack?! I though they were hunted to extinction by moderation and trolls.

Oh and Mr. Ed is a horse, I'm Special ED.
Title: Re: So about the classifieds...
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 17 September 2013, 00:26:54
Mike, sincere question: are you new to online forums?

Despite what you seem to think, you are not winning this exchange. You brought the annoyance and mockery of this community down on yourself with your laughably entitled attitude, and with every post you invite more pile-on.  Before too much longer you are going to cause this thread to be closed.

Please be my guest and close this dumb thread before your friends burn it down.

The mockery by people who obviously don't understand simple logic is not hurtful at all to me, it's merely tedious. With regard to NIB M pricing, an eBay seller has sold well over a dozen NIB Lexmark M's (fullsize) for $175 recently. NIB Lexmarks are far more commonplace than NIB 1391010's in absolutely perfect new condition with all rivets intact but I guess the $200 + $20 shipping I paid was considered by Mr. Ed as being far too much. Well, compared to his broken one, I guess it was a lot. But then again, I didn't buy it in order to sell it off immediately. As I originally stated IIRC (many posts ago) I was going to wait a year or two when the going prices had climbed some more -- like any smart investor would do.

I guess GH'ers feel that any vendor who makes a reasonable profit is obviously "up to no good". Well I didn't know GH was run and frequented by communists. Tell you what, go live in North Korea for a while and then tell me how wonderful a non-capitalist society is.

In regard to the quote about my being concerned that I would have difficulty making enough profit off the sale of some recently-purchased NIB SSK's to make it worthwhile (as in worthwhile buying them to begin with, since I did buy them in order to resell in a couple of years), that doesn't mean I'm out to rip off GH'ers like some of the fancy gaming keyboards you people buy, and which often generate 100% markup for their retailers. I'm not looking for 100% markup. I'm not Santa Claus either. I'm not going to sell anything for less than I paid for it nor for the same as I paid. Repeat, I am not Santa Claus. Get over it.

Now I'll leave you poor little flamers to keep flaming until you burn holes in each other's screens. I really do have far better things to do with my time. A recent GH acquaintance who is a real gentleman, something you wouldn't know anything about, told me I should stay on rather than leave, but just ignore the bozos. So I'll try to take his advice. Flame on! I'll be laughing at you the whole time.
If you think that GH is a "non-capitalist" society and people making a profit are "up to no good" you are clearly ignorant to the community and our ideals.  You also have never seen a Clack sale or Korean custom auction.

Get the **** out, nobody wants you here and nobody cares about your opinion.

Locking this thread.   :thumb: