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Title: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:14:43
Available through our Originative web-store.

http://www.originativeco.com/products/lube-kit

Please be nice about the picture :)

Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: bueller on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:15:48
Sweet :)

You're really becoming a one stop shop now!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:17:21
Hey sherry, You should also say that you can mix the two lubes.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:18:31
Cool, I'll be needing more lube in the future.. :cool:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:18:40
Sweet :)

You're really becoming a one stop shop now!

I have been wanting to get these.  I wanted everything you need to build a keyboard including keycaps as we do sell cusotm keyboards.

We are just missing a few more things like Cherry and Costar stabilizers!

Hey sherry, You should also say that you can mix the two lubes.

The lubes are already pre-mixed.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:20:50
FIANLLY!!!!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:22:22
Hey sherry, You should also say that you can mix the two lubes.

The lubes are already pre-mixed.

That works haha
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:24:24
So how do these compare to what mkawa was selling?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:25:11
So how do these compare to what mkawa was selling?

I can buy one and compare for you haha.. :p
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:26:17
Well I was meaning more like contents, etc. Is it the same lube?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:31:45
Well I was meaning more like contents, etc. Is it the same lube?

Basically, the previous package was 2 separate items: oil and lubrication.  Now, mkawa came up with a recipe to mix them.   It feels like youre typing on a cloud of clouds.

It works real well on blacks, clears, and reds.  (Thick for clears and thin for blacks and reds)

Also previously, mkawa suggested people to mix the oil and lubrication, and people can mix according to how they like it.  It's all premixed now which makes it a lot easier.

We are just trying to be your one-stop shop for a BYOKBD store.  The shipping was inefficient previously, but it should be a lot better now for people who are looking to buy switches, stickers, or springs.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:39:07
Cool! Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: stancato9 on Tue, 19 November 2013, 20:43:36
Is it possible to get an idea of how much stock you have so I know how fast I need to purchase these kits before they sell out? :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 24 November 2013, 12:45:02
So I would be buying this for mx clears and I was wondering, I would need the thick lube obviously. But as far as what I should lube with this, can I do the sliders and springs both, or should this (thick) not be used on springs? Thanks :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 24 November 2013, 14:57:29
Might be a dumb question, how do we lube the switches ? Is there instructions to do so ?
I'm planning to get some to lube my switches.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Signature on Sun, 24 November 2013, 15:01:00
Might be a dumb question, how do we lube the switches ? Is there instructions to do so ?
I'm planning to get some to lube my switches.
Credit to Whitefiredragon for these informative vids!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 24 November 2013, 15:17:40
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 26 November 2013, 14:19:25
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 26 November 2013, 14:21:14
Might be a dumb question, how do we lube the switches ? Is there instructions to do so ?
I'm planning to get some to lube my switches.
Credit to Whitefiredragon for these informative vids!

This thread might also be helpful (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34332.0) as well as this guide (http://imgur.com/a/lhLqo).
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 26 November 2013, 17:21:32
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 26 November 2013, 17:25:26
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.

I used thick on my hhkb today.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 26 November 2013, 20:09:21
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.

I used thick on my hhkb today.

How did it go?  Did you change the weight on it?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:45:21
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.

I used thick on my hhkb today.

How did it go?  Did you change the weight on it?

Well along with lube, I also added dental bands and 55g domes, overall I like it.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 26 November 2013, 23:56:26
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.

I used thick on my hhkb today.

How did it go?  Did you change the weight on it?

Well along with lube, I also added dental bands and 55g domes, overall I like it.

sweet dude ;p the 55 feels better?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 November 2013, 00:03:05
Is this a good mix for topre sliders?

I think we might need ming's answer.  I will ask him.  I think he lubed his realforce.

I used thick on my hhkb today.

How did it go?  Did you change the weight on it?

Well along with lube, I also added dental bands and 55g domes, overall I like it.

sweet dude ;p the 55 feels better?

It's really hard to say since I did the other mods but overall I like it. Will be able to tell more next week when I get back to work.

But do recommend the lube kits to anyone interested in lube, very well packaged and comes with multiple sizes of syringe tips etc.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 12:31:34
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: MKULTRA on Wed, 27 November 2013, 13:02:00
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?
A small paintbrush
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 13:16:32
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?
A small paintbrush

I'll try that, the one that came with it was a little unweildy
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 November 2013, 13:24:08
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?
A small paintbrush

I'll try that, the one that came with it was a little unweildy

You might try a q-tip
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 13:26:06
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?
A small paintbrush

I'll try that, the one that came with it was a little unweildy

You might try a q-tip

Q tip's nice to lube the springs, but for:
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/Lube%20Guide/c7401a5f.jpg)

on the inside its hell
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 27 November 2013, 13:33:44
Can either of these lubes be used on the springs?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 November 2013, 17:45:03
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:06:29
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:11:46
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled

Were you using thick or thin?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:14:51
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled

Were you using thick or thin?

thick
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:20:41
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled

Were you using thick or thin?

thick

So did you end up using it all?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Wed, 27 November 2013, 18:23:27
Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled

Were you using thick or thin?

thick

So did you end up using it all?

not yet. Opened it up to lube just the springs and some stabs. Got through a set of stabs and 2 switches. My binder clip switch opener decided to not work after a couple switches on my pcb mounted g80 so I didn't get to lube anything except for the spacebar.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 28 November 2013, 01:10:06
Can either of these lubes be used on the springs?

These are meant for springs.  We have not really tried these on stabilizers yet.

Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled

Were you using thick or thin?

thick

So did you end up using it all?

not yet. Opened it up to lube just the springs and some stabs. Got through a set of stabs and 2 switches. My binder clip switch opener decided to not work after a couple switches on my pcb mounted g80 so I didn't get to lube anything except for the spacebar.

Pacifist, was the spillage due to the packaging?  It does not seem like it, right?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 28 November 2013, 01:15:25
Can either of these lubes be used on the springs?

These are meant for springs.  We have not really tried these on stabilizers yet.
So I could get the thick lube and lube the springs and sliders on mx clears and be good? Thanks for the help :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 28 November 2013, 01:18:22
Can either of these lubes be used on the springs?

These are meant for springs.  We have not really tried these on stabilizers yet.
So I could get the thick lube and lube the springs and sliders on mx clears and be good? Thanks for the help :)

You will be extremely satisfied.

I lied, your fingers will be extremely satisfied.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Thu, 28 November 2013, 01:26:54
Can either of these lubes be used on the springs?

These are meant for springs.  We have not really tried these on stabilizers yet.

Finally opened my lube kit, and I spilled it all over the board  :p

cleaned it up tho, and its really nice.

the tools are nice, but do you have anything to get inside of the stem where it meets the spring?

Just curious how in the world did you spill the lube all over your keyboard?

First time I spilled it, I losened the cap, forgot it was only loosened, tried to squirt some out, applied force, and the tip and a lot of lube spilled onto the board.
Second time, I got the head on, but when I went to squeeze, I couldnt see when it came out so a bunch spilled

Were you using thick or thin?

thick

So did you end up using it all?

not yet. Opened it up to lube just the springs and some stabs. Got through a set of stabs and 2 switches. My binder clip switch opener decided to not work after a couple switches on my pcb mounted g80 so I didn't get to lube anything except for the spacebar.

Pacifist, was the spillage due to the packaging?  It does not seem like it, right?

its because im clumsy af
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 03 December 2013, 15:14:24
Oops, I was a bit slow  :-X When will more thick lube be in stock?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 03 December 2013, 19:54:17
Oops, I was a bit slow  :-X When will more thick lube be in stock?

We just requested more.  They should be on their way.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 03 December 2013, 21:36:49
Oops, I was a bit slow  :-X When will more thick lube be in stock?

We just requested more.  They should be on their way.
Yay! :D
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 03 December 2013, 22:37:50
I'm a noob I thought thin was for sliders and thick was for stabilizers? Thanks
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 04 December 2013, 00:33:07
I'm a noob I thought thin was for sliders and thick was for stabilizers? Thanks

Quote
Thick lube is made for tactile switches where as thin lube is made for linear switches.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 04 December 2013, 00:34:50
I'm a noob I thought thin was for sliders and thick was for stabilizers? Thanks

Quote
Thick lube is made for tactile switches where as thin lube is made for linear switches.

So either would work w topre then?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 04 December 2013, 01:23:07
I'm a noob I thought thin was for sliders and thick was for stabilizers? Thanks

Quote
Thick lube is made for tactile switches where as thin lube is made for linear switches.

So either would work w topre then?

Yeah, either works.  Mkawa please chime in!  He tested them.  I'll send him a message.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 04 December 2013, 01:50:51
I'm a noob I thought thin was for sliders and thick was for stabilizers? Thanks

Quote
Thick lube is made for tactile switches where as thin lube is made for linear switches.

So either would work w topre then?

Yeah, either works.  Mkawa please chime in!  He tested them.  I'll send him a message.

Thank you! I think I read in another post he recommended thick.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 04 December 2013, 02:05:12
FOR MX SWITCHES:

i would not lube where the spring touches the cap of the stem. there is no wear there. the spring also does not touch the stem in a typical actuation, i wouldn't bother with that either. in fact, the only place i recommend lub is the either the slider or the housing side of the points at which the slider touches the housing. for linear switches, i recommend lubricating the front of the slider as well, the tendrils that actuate the gold crosspoints (they are lubed from the factory but with a silicone lube that just does not last long enough or provide the lubridicity for really smooth actuation), and the arc-face of a linear switch. i do not recommend lube anywhere else in an MX switch.

FOR TOPRE SWITCHES:

for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.

there is one more place to lube a topre switch, but it must be done BEFORE the previous step. using a very thin lube and a small gauge needle, insert several drops into the slider. the goal is to get the lube to migrate to the PCB and elastomers. the reason to do this is to increase the seal between the elastomer bottom faces and the PCB. in my testing i've seen a slight difference between the elastomer membrane of a 55g topre switch and an unlubricated elastomer. it's very slight, but the tactile bump gets a little bit of a boost from the improved seal between the elastomer edges and the pcb.

the sliders make the most dramatic difference in a topre switch. for those, only thick formula makes any difference at all, and again, it increases the force required to actuate the switch but makes that force curve smoother. if you don't want that, don't lube your topre switches. i haven't found any other way to affect the action of a topre switch with lubricant.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 December 2013, 07:00:06
FOR TOPRE SWITCHES:

for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.

Could someone illustrate this point??

Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 04 December 2013, 11:25:28
FOR MX SWITCHES:

i would not lube where the spring touches the cap of the stem. there is no wear there. the spring also does not touch the stem in a typical actuation, i wouldn't bother with that either. in fact, the only place i recommend lub is the either the slider or the housing side of the points at which the slider touches the housing. for linear switches, i recommend lubricating the front of the slider as well, the tendrils that actuate the gold crosspoints (they are lubed from the factory but with a silicone lube that just does not last long enough or provide the lubridicity for really smooth actuation), and the arc-face of a linear switch. i do not recommend lube anywhere else in an MX switch.

FOR TOPRE SWITCHES:

for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.

there is one more place to lube a topre switch, but it must be done BEFORE the previous step. using a very thin lube and a small gauge needle, insert several drops into the slider. the goal is to get the lube to migrate to the PCB and elastomers. the reason to do this is to increase the seal between the elastomer bottom faces and the PCB. in my testing i've seen a slight difference between the elastomer membrane of a 55g topre switch and an unlubricated elastomer. it's very slight, but the tactile bump gets a little bit of a boost from the improved seal between the elastomer edges and the pcb.

the sliders make the most dramatic difference in a topre switch. for those, only thick formula makes any difference at all, and again, it increases the force required to actuate the switch but makes that force curve smoother. if you don't want that, don't lube your topre switches. i haven't found any other way to affect the action of a topre switch with lubricant.

Thank you for the informative post!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 04 December 2013, 14:55:20
FOR TOPRE SWITCHES:

for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.

Could someone illustrate this point??



Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:03:21
FOR TOPRE SWITCHES:

for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.

Could someone illustrate this point??





:facepalm:

I meant this part

Quote
for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: frvrngn on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:12:50
Found this with photos for Topre - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49741.0
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:14:19
Found this with photos for Topre - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49741.0

Is that what mkawa means?? That's showing just lubing the sides, which is what I did, but with thick lube because that's what was recommended at the time but now it seems like maybe thing is?? I'm so confused.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:14:28
Found this with photos for Topre - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49741.0

(http://i.imgur.com/2YnaOhm.jpg)

^This is the only place I lubed. I'm also confused about this lubing a circle around the slider.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: frvrngn on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:15:53
Lets wait for him, that was the only guide I could find and it does sound like mkawa lubes more than just that area.  I cant imagine a smoother Topre but I may have to try this out!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 04 December 2013, 15:16:46
oooh! that's simpler. sec.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:06:10
Hmm mkawas way I wouldn't have to take the keyboard . Tough choice
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:10:00
GEEKHACK IS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING SCIENCE DAMNIT.

oooh! that's simpler. sec.

I would like to know how scientific a measurement "a scosh" is Ming :P. Glad you're sharing the secrets of Topre lubing hehe.

Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:15:28
oooh! that's simpler. sec.

Ok so your basically saying the lube needs to go between the round shaft and the switch housing right?

I believe realforce may come lubed like that on some keys...make sense now.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 04 December 2013, 16:24:32
Hmm mkawas way I wouldn't have to take the keyboard . Tough choice

That's only one part of his lubing process. Apparently, it's supposed to be done after this step:
Quote
for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 04 December 2013, 20:33:01
I think i'll be getting a kit when i order some more springs, I like how it's premixed already

let's just hope the packing is a little less sloppy as well, my beta package wasn't the cleanest one :P
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 04 December 2013, 23:36:13
I need to get some thick to lube my alphameric. I think the mineral oil I used a while ago has probably worn off.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 05 December 2013, 06:27:20
I think i'll be getting a kit when i order some more springs, I like how it's premixed already

let's just hope the packing is a little less sloppy as well, my beta package wasn't the cleanest one :p

These baby's are vacuum sealed!
Hmm mkawas way I wouldn't have to take the keyboard . Tough choice

That's only one part of his lubing process. Apparently, it's supposed to be done after this step:
Quote
for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.

^^ That is what he is illustrating....I thought.... ???
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:01:40
Any idea when the thick kit will be back in stock?

(And the 62g limited springs?  :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:08:44
Any idea when the thick kit will be back in stock?

(And the 62g limited springs?  :)
Hopefully soon, I have a board I am putting together soon that is going to need the thick lube and 67g springs(which are still in stock but I am scared they might sell out by the time thick is back in stock)  :blank:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:26:49
Any idea when the thick kit will be back in stock?

(And the 62g limited springs?  :)
Hopefully soon, I have a board I am putting together soon that is going to need the thick lube and 67g springs(which are still in stock but I am scared they might sell out by the time thick is back in stock)  :blank:

Yeah, I was stupid and didn't place my order, and by the time I went back both the 62g limited and thick lube were our of stock.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:28:49
originative will have thick kits in stock late monday. they were shipped saturday :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Signature on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:32:32
originative will have thick kits in stock late monday. they were shipped saturday :)
Ty for the update! :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:36:20
I may have to buy more lube, I think I'm overdoing it. Perfect opportunity
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 08 December 2013, 13:59:30
Will have to pick up some thick sometime, so I can lube my alphameric.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 08 December 2013, 14:19:31
originative will have thick kits in stock late monday. they were shipped saturday :)

What bout 62g limited springs ? Sorry if this is out of topic.
I'd like to bundle together with the thick lube.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Sun, 08 December 2013, 16:12:04
Hmm mkawas way I wouldn't have to take the keyboard . Tough choice

That's only one part of his lubing process. Apparently, it's supposed to be done after this step:
Quote
for a topre spring, you want to lube in a circle around the slider. use a very thick lube (the thick formula works reasonably well). the idea is to attempt to fill the gaps between the slider faces. this will _increase_ the resistance of the slider, but decrease the noise in that resistance w/rt to displacement. it will feel stiffer but smoother.
no, i think there's something misunderstanding here. i would generally do a one step lubing on a 55g topre switch. i would just lube the slider as illustrated and then stop. if you have lighter switches, you FIRST want to get a bit of THIN lube onto the elastomer under the slider. it's a huge pita and i don't think there's really enough tactile difference to make it worth it, but it does feel a bit better for what it's worth. THEN you lube the slider as it was lubed from the factory (circle around the slider). always do that last.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skosh&defid=568284

a skosh is to be taken as less than measurement tolerance.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Sun, 08 December 2013, 16:19:41
originative will have thick kits in stock late monday. they were shipped saturday :)

What bout 62g limited springs ? Sorry if this is out of topic.
I'd like to bundle together with the thick lube.

I want that exact set too :-)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 08 December 2013, 21:29:28
I hope you get more thick soon!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: riotonthebay on Sun, 08 December 2013, 22:00:05
I hope you get more thick soon!  :thumb:

+1. I've bought some 205 in the meantime, but I'm rather just buy from Originative :).
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 09 December 2013, 21:56:33
@Sherry. Any updates on this ?

What bout 62g limited springs ? Sorry if this is out of topic.
I'd like to bundle together with the thick lube.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 10 December 2013, 13:26:39
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 10 December 2013, 13:37:46
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:

I'm subscribed but got no email :(
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 10 December 2013, 14:04:19
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:

I'm subscribed but got no email :(


Odd... I'll go see what is wrong.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 10 December 2013, 14:25:04
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:

Any ETA for 62g limited spring ?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Jrwestcoast on Tue, 10 December 2013, 14:27:34
I'm subscribed also but got no email :(
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Signature on Tue, 10 December 2013, 14:36:42
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:

Any ETA for 62g limited spring ?
He told me via Pm that they will not restock them :(
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:17:50
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:23:15
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future

better get em while they are hot
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:24:22
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future

better get em while they are hot

well I do need more lube...and I forgot to get a GH key last time...........

descicions descisions desccisons
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:27:55
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future

better get em while they are hot

well I do need more lube...and I forgot to get a GH key last time...........

descicions descisions desccisons

I've put the note about  the geekhack key a few different orders now and nothing... :(
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:32:13
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future

better get em while they are hot

well I do need more lube...and I forgot to get a GH key last time...........

descicions descisions desccisons

I've put the note about  the geekhack key a few different orders now and nothing... :(

the one time I bought stuff from sherry(lube, springs, puller) I forgot to put the GH key note but I did get a hand written thank you note....
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:34:23
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future

better get em while they are hot

well I do need more lube...and I forgot to get a GH key last time...........

descicions descisions desccisons

I've put the note about  the geekhack key a few different orders now and nothing... :(

the one time I bought stuff from sherry(lube, springs, puller) I forgot to put the GH key note but I did get a hand written thank you note....

what the crap.....I've bought all sorts of stuff I never got a note!! and I've put comments in the comment box every time
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:49:10
What GH Key???
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 10 December 2013, 16:52:12
never ever? 65 g better not sell out, I'm thinking of shifting to something heavier in the far future

better get em while they are hot

well I do need more lube...and I forgot to get a GH key last time...........

descicions descisions desccisons

I've put the note about  the geekhack key a few different orders now and nothing... :(

the one time I bought stuff from sherry(lube, springs, puller) I forgot to put the GH key note but I did get a hand written thank you note....

what the crap.....I've bought all sorts of stuff I never got a note!! and I've put comments in the comment box every time

It might have been because I spammed sherry about lube for 2 weeks before the lube was released, or sherry was feeling merry. Anyways I still have the note  :-*
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Grendel on Tue, 10 December 2013, 23:41:35
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:

I'm subscribed but got no email :(


Ditto.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: pasph on Wed, 11 December 2013, 05:07:05
62g Limited is OOS.

Subscribers got an e-mail last night, but we restocked on the thick stuff  :thumb:

I'm subscribed but got no email :(


Ditto.

this
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 13 January 2014, 13:34:47
Will you be getting thick soon? :) Thanks!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 13 January 2014, 13:36:20
Will you be getting thick soon? :) Thanks!

That's rude. It's not polite to imply that Sherry is getting fat. :P
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 13 January 2014, 13:37:52
Will you be getting thick soon? :) Thanks!

That's rude. It's not polite to imply that Sherry is getting fat. :P

 :p
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 25 January 2014, 12:07:00
When will more thick be in stock pleasssse?  :cool:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Sat, 25 January 2014, 12:10:07
i am packing them up today and will run them by originative most likely on monday.

i am very aware of how long people have been waiting and have a special (DOMOOOOO) present for everyone that i will include in the kits :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 25 January 2014, 12:17:26
i am packing them up today and will run them by originative most likely on monday.

i am very aware of how long people have been waiting and have a special (DOMOOOOO) present for everyone that i will include in the kits :)

Oooooooooooooooooo Sweet! Thanks! :)  :thumb:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Comment on Tue, 28 January 2014, 01:36:41
i am packing them up today and will run them by originative most likely on monday.

i am very aware of how long people have been waiting and have a special (DOMOOOOO) present for everyone that i will include in the kits :)
This guy. Is a good guy. Hope ya get over that flu soon man!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Tue, 28 January 2014, 16:34:10
As these haven't shown up on Originative yet (no rush), can I request that you post here when they are available? That way those of us waiting for the thick lubes will get a push/email notification about it, instead of obsessively checking the website  :-)

Thanks!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Comment on Tue, 28 January 2014, 19:05:17
As these haven't shown up on Originative yet (no rush), can I request that you post here when they are available? That way those of us waiting for the thick lubes will get a push/email notification about it, instead of obsessively checking the website  :-)

Thanks!
Mkawa said theyd be up this week so id keep checking. The intended date was monday but he got sick over the weekend so he should have it stocked over the next couple of days  ;D
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:24:57
i completely forgot to pack them with domos. however, they are on their way to originative right now. will arrive tomorrow. if they get there early enough, they should be in stock by end of day. if not, will be in stock tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Comment on Tue, 28 January 2014, 21:56:59
i completely forgot to pack them with domos. however, they are on their way to originative right now. will arrive tomorrow. if they get there early enough, they should be in stock by end of day. if not, will be in stock tomorrow.
No domos?!  :-[
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Tue, 04 February 2014, 20:03:58
Any update on the thick lube kits? I've been checking the website every day but the status hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 04 February 2014, 20:24:59
i am trying to get some information from originative on what is going on.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Tue, 04 February 2014, 20:45:19
i am trying to get some information from originative on what is going on.

Great... thanks!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 10 February 2014, 01:33:15
SWEET! Its back in stock! Just ordered! My HHKB will be silent soon! :)
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jacobolus on Mon, 10 February 2014, 12:40:06
(Why did http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51182.50 get locked?)

Is this thick kit also recommended for use on stabilizers, or is something else more appropriate (better / just as good but cheaper)?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 10 February 2014, 12:41:06
Is this thick kit also recommended for use on stabilizers, or is something else more appropriate (better / just as good but cheaper)?

You could use Superlube on the stabilizers.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: ebacho on Mon, 10 February 2014, 17:22:15
(Why did http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51182.50 get locked?)

Is this thick kit also recommended for use on stabilizers, or is something else more appropriate (better / just as good but cheaper)?

I used Krytox GPL 201 since I had it on hand, but most lubes will have similar effects if you don't overdo it as far as stabilizers go.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 22 February 2014, 18:08:30
I used Krytox GPL 201 since I had it on hand, but most lubes will have similar effects if you don't overdo it as far as stabilizers go.

Yep, Krytox is King so instead of waiting for Sherryton to do anything I went and bought 3 injection kits from i3oiler.  Why you might ask, simply because i3oiler STILL accepts Paypal payments with no issues or troubles.  That is why I now have to shop at his place due to Sherryton's 'meanness' towards not accepting Paypal payments anymore (and I have never caused any call-backs on him ever).

Just some people change their payment system on a continuing basis which is always suspect and strange to say the least.  Whilst i3oiler is rock solid 100% reliable and just shipped all my goods 3 hours after payment - always been a star performer when distributing his gear to anyone all over the globe  :thumb: .

Sorry to spruik someone else here but Sherryton has let me down major league by dropping all Paypal payments and it has to be said  >:( .
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 22 February 2014, 18:18:30
Why is extra thick lube more expensive than thin and thick?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 22 February 2014, 18:24:12

Why is extra thick lube more expensive than thin and thick?

Maybe because the grease component is more expensive than the oil component? Or maybe it's a huge conspiracy! Down with the Ming!
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 22 February 2014, 18:36:58
Why is extra thick lube more expensive than thin and thick?

Things are always more expensive through a reseller they have to pay the website bills, etc.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Pacifist on Sat, 22 February 2014, 18:45:46
Why is extra thick lube more expensive than thin and thick?

Things are always more expensive through a reseller they have to pay the website bills, etc.

That doesn't explain why thin and thick at techkeys is way cheaper than extra thick at techkeys   
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sat, 22 February 2014, 18:55:12
That doesn't explain why thin and thick at techkeys is way cheaper than extra thick at techkeys
Extra thick lube requires more thick grease (I assume +25%) like GPL-206 or even GPL-207 so it should be more expensive.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 22 February 2014, 19:03:46
Forgive my ignorance but what is the use for extra thick lube? I thought thin was for linear switches, thick was for tactile. Is extra thick for stabilizers or something?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 22 February 2014, 19:05:27
My understanding is that extra thick can actually increase the tactility of switches by applying it to the stem arms, increasing stiction.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 22 February 2014, 19:10:33
I bought 3 sets of the thick Krytox and love it so far. Used one in my HHKB 55G and one in my Realforce 87U 55G/45G.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sat, 22 February 2014, 19:16:25
Forgive my ignorance but what is the use for extra thick lube? I thought thin was for linear switches, thick was for tactile. Is extra thick for stabilizers or something?

Yes, since it's very thick, you can use it for Costa stabilizers (Cherry stabilizers may require thin formula) IMO, extra thick formula should be used for very heavy linear (MX Black, Red + Spring >= 100g) or tactile with heavy spring (stock Clear, Dark Grey...) while thick formula should be used for normal linear (stock MX Black, Red...) and thin formula for tactile with light spring (Brown, Ergo Clear...).
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: jefferai on Mon, 24 February 2014, 05:40:37
Grey...) while thick formula should be used for normal linear (stock MX Black, Red...) and thin formula for tactile with light spring (Brown, Ergo Clear...).

FWIW, I used thick + 65g springs for my Ergo Clears and they came out great.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: boxfulofsanity on Mon, 05 May 2014, 18:00:02
Which kit should be used on Cherry Blues?
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 05 May 2014, 18:01:11
Which kit should be used on Cherry Blues?
A tiny amount of oil, not a grease/oil mix.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 05 May 2014, 18:02:31
lubing blues is blasphemy
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 05 May 2014, 18:04:28
lubing blues is blasphemy
Have you ever tried vintage blues with 60g springs and a tiny bit of GPL 103? They're heavenly ^-^
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: digi on Mon, 05 May 2014, 18:19:09
lubing blues is blasphemy
Have you ever tried vintage blues with 60g springs and a tiny bit of GPL 103? They're heavenly ^-^

wait, there are better switches than stock vintage mx blues??? they get better?!?! :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 05 May 2014, 18:23:24
lubing blues is blasphemy
Have you ever tried vintage blues with 60g springs and a tiny bit of GPL 103? They're heavenly ^-^

wait, there are better switches than stock vintage mx blues??? they get better?!?! :eek: :eek:
Well, it's subjective. I love vintage blues. However, I think they feel even better with 60g springs and a little bit on GPL 103 on the sliders and the tips of the legs. It dampens the click a little bit, but the tactile feel is still there - just much smoother than before.
Title: Re: Lube Kit (OG x GH)
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 05 May 2014, 19:35:06
Clicky switches are VERY easy to mess-up if not careful or not using the right kind of lubricant in the right places.  You can kill the click or make it very inconsistent from switch to switch.  I'd say unless you want to experiment with a sample few switches for a while and use the absolutely tiniest amounts of lubricants, it's not worth lubricating Blues.  I just did a batch of 100 Greens and spent some time experimenting, and while the end result was nice, I used tiny amounts of lube, with a lamp shining on my workspace so I could see the exactly where I placed the lubricant, glinting on the switch, and it was basically like watch repair tiny-scale work.  Thin lube would be what I'd use for Clicky switches.