Why do they still use physical cd drives? Look how much space that wastes
Who said PC gaming is dead?
u wrong, u so wrong
2007ish - all of my friends back home were begging me (the sole PC gamer in the group) to get an Xbox 360, didn't have the money and wanted a new PC anyway.
2012/13 - every holiday I have from Uni I've spent building gaming PCs for my friends back home who seem to have realised you get more for your money with a PC.
Not really sure where the PC gaming is dead talk comes from :D
Who said PC gaming is dead?
u wrong, u so wrong
well, I didn't say PC gaming is dead. The console gamers have been saying PC gaming is dead since about 2006. And every year since then, PC gaming survives. There was a rough patch there in about 2008-09, when it seemed like all the new games came out for the console, and then were "ported" to the PC. But now I think the trend is finally reversing. Except for GTA V, which will always be a console-first game. And Resident Evil, I guess. I hope the gaming public finally realizes how big of a rip-off this new Xbox is.
Who said PC gaming is dead?
u wrong, u so wrong
well, I didn't say PC gaming is dead. The console gamers have been saying PC gaming is dead since about 2006. And every year since then, PC gaming survives. There was a rough patch there in about 2008-09, when it seemed like all the new games came out for the console, and then were "ported" to the PC. But now I think the trend is finally reversing. Except for GTA V, which will always be a console-first game. And Resident Evil, I guess. I hope the gaming public finally realizes how big of a rip-off this new Xbox is.
Sorry, I know you didn't say that. I was talking to who ever said that ;D
Yup.. the Xbox is a PC in every way in terms of hardware..
The argument of Console/PC is really only semantics...
In general,, Console is an attempt to pimp software developers on part of Microsoft/ Sony/ Nintendo
On PC,, the same pimping occurs with STEAM...
Yea.. u a *****.. what you gonna do...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/17f0f3b0.gif)
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
I can see why your the 'HHKB Overlord'
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
My only argument is MS and Sony want to peruse the multimedia hub angle when everyone in America who would potentially buy a console already owns a PC that's already a multimedia hub. People are still thought locked into the notion that a game console has to be this separate entity from their lives than something 'practical' is, but as soon as folks wake up a shake off those preconceptions they'll see that their PC already does all those things. Companies would be better off selling a proprietary disk drive that hooks up to devices via USB and HDMI while giving developers minimum spec guidelines to ensure less powerful PCs can run it's games, but the option to max out settings as well if your PC can handle it.
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
My only argument is MS and Sony want to peruse the multimedia hub angle when everyone in America who would potentially buy a console already owns a PC that's already a multimedia hub. People are still thought locked into the notion that a game console has to be this separate entity from their lives than something 'practical' is, but as soon as folks wake up a shake off those preconceptions they'll see that their PC already does all those things. Companies would be better off selling a proprietary disk drive that hooks up to devices via USB and HDMI while giving developers minimum spec guidelines to ensure less powerful PCs can run it's games, but the option to max out settings as well if your PC can handle it.
Well on the point of a PC already doing all of these things; yes and no. From a price perspective, which is the main argument for a console, setting up a PC to do all of these things would require more investment than just plopping down for a console in the first place. You are basically getting a full multimedia capable system that runs games at high resolution at an affordable (to most) price point.
Now, before anyone makes assumptions (as I think baldgye might have), I am a hardcore PC gamer and prefer it over a console any day. But even I can see the innate value in a console over a PC in the long run, or for people that don't want to have to upgrade to play the latest games in high resolution. But that might also be just me and my penchant for needing to upgrade all the time :P
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
My only argument is MS and Sony want to peruse the multimedia hub angle when everyone in America who would potentially buy a console already owns a PC that's already a multimedia hub. People are still thought locked into the notion that a game console has to be this separate entity from their lives than something 'practical' is, but as soon as folks wake up a shake off those preconceptions they'll see that their PC already does all those things. Companies would be better off selling a proprietary disk drive that hooks up to devices via USB and HDMI while giving developers minimum spec guidelines to ensure less powerful PCs can run it's games, but the option to max out settings as well if your PC can handle it.
Well on the point of a PC already doing all of these things; yes and no. From a price perspective, which is the main argument for a console, setting up a PC to do all of these things would require more investment than just plopping down for a console in the first place. You are basically getting a full multimedia capable system that runs games at high resolution at an affordable (to most) price point.
Now, before anyone makes assumptions (as I think baldgye might have), I am a hardcore PC gamer and prefer it over a console any day. But even I can see the innate value in a console over a PC in the long run, or for people that don't want to have to upgrade to play the latest games in high resolution. But that might also be just me and my penchant for needing to upgrade all the time :p
PC hardware has recently been increasing in specs much faster than hardware requirements for games. My GTX 560 can still handle any new game just fine as long as I don't make the settings ridiculous.
Consoles are just intentionally crippled PCs that appeal to parents and families because they are easier to control the content on than PCs.
The console developers know this and pay for exclusive titles as incentive for buying them.
PCs can also emulate games for most consoles anyway.
As I've said before:
Why are consoles crippled?
*Can't upgrade hardware
*Can't run most software
*Can't modify your game files
*Limited communications
*Limited peripherals
*Limited selection of games compared with PC
*Little to no free-to-play, homebrew, or indie
*Peripherals are console specific
*Software is console-specific
*Software is usually locked to a physical object to prevent copying
*Limited ability to run multiple programs or apps at the same time
*Consoles are not easily repairable
*FPS controls are better on PC
*More ways to purchase games and price competition
Basically consoles are meant to be disposable entertainment for children or people who don't have a decent PC. The next console version comes out and suddenly your entire console, games, accessories, and peripherals are useless.
The main point of consoles is to appeal to a larger audience both in price, and accessibility. You can't build a PC that can push games the way the 360 or Xbox One can at that price point.
The graphics processing in the One is equivalent to a GTX 680, maybe more. That card alone would cost you almost the price of the Xbox One.
So yes, it is a PC inside, but a much more affordable one that people don't have to mess with.
I can see why your the 'HHKB Overlord'
'you're'
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
Actually this is pretty depressing. To me, you are describing an Orwellian nightmare-box, all they need to do is add a spycam that peeps into your living room for the NSA and it really is a big brother tube, they already mine your data and read your emails, so why not, I guess.
Also if the new Xbox costs more than a budget gaming PC, why bother with it? Unless you are a mindless drone, looking for the same dumbed-down "specific content [delivered] to everybody the same way". I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saddened that people buy the Xbox. It seems like a rip-off to me. And a way to conform.
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
Actually this is pretty depressing. To me, you are describing an Orwellian nightmare-box, all they need to do is add a spycam that peeps into your living room for the NSA and it really is a big brother tube, they already mine your data and read your emails, so why not, I guess.
Also if the new Xbox costs more than a budget gaming PC, why bother with it? Unless you are a mindless drone, looking for the same dumbed-down "specific content [delivered] to everybody the same way". I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saddened that people buy the Xbox. It seems like a rip-off to me. And a way to conform.
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
Actually this is pretty depressing. To me, you are describing an Orwellian nightmare-box, all they need to do is add a spycam that peeps into your living room for the NSA and it really is a big brother tube, they already mine your data and read your emails, so why not, I guess.
Also if the new Xbox costs more than a budget gaming PC, why bother with it? Unless you are a mindless drone, looking for the same dumbed-down "specific content [delivered] to everybody the same way". I'm not arguing with you, I'm just saddened that people buy the Xbox. It seems like a rip-off to me. And a way to conform.
This is probably the most thoughtless response I have heard from you. You can do better (maybe)
lol.
Thoughtless? how? Like devoid of thought? Or inconsiderate? If you mean inconsiderate, then I apologize, since I didn't mean to offend any Xbox 1 fans. I guess I should have said the Xbox 1 is not for me, and left it at that.
If you mean devoid of thought, well, I guess it's true that I didn't think much about the Xbox 1. Baldgye might be right that I didn't understand the concept of the console when I started this thread, but maybe I am beginning to understand what the console really represents. And what the Xbox 1 represents is the current state of middle-brow culture in America, which is mired in mediocrity, hampered by pusillanimity, and hood-winked by false comfort, all of which promotes a slavish conformity to Microsoft and the dictates of a billionaire plutocrat like Bill Gates. I guess I am beginning to lose faith in the broad swath of the middle of the American people. They have lost their fire, and their independence. Since when are Americans so easy to accept the easy conformity of the Xbox? Unlike other cultures and other countries at other times, the great American middle never gave up before, and never simply embraced defeat. They fought the British in 1776, and the Canadians/ British in 1812, and the Rebel South in 1864, and the crazy Kaiser in 1918, and the spectre of financial ruination in 1932, and the evil of fascism in 1941, and the Racism and social injustice of the '50's and '60's, the Cold War in the '80's, grunge music in the '90's, but then it stopped. Now in 2013, there seems to be no middle. Nothing to staunch the slide. It seems to me that when Steve Jobs died on October 11, 2011, a part of the American spirit died as well.
This whole topic is far too subjective to have a definitive "right" or "wrong".
If you like console gaming for any reason at all then you're "right".
If you like PC gaming for any reason at all then you're also "right".
If you like both for different reasons then guess what?! You're "right"!
So I'm gonna enjoy Both BF4 and COD (yea I enjoy both so what?) on my PS4 and SC2, LOL and Civ 5 on my computer. And I'm gonna have one hell of a time doing both!
Happy gaming to you all. No matter your poison!
lol.
Thoughtless? how? Like devoid of thought? Or inconsiderate? If you mean inconsiderate, then I apologize, since I didn't mean to offend any Xbox 1 fans. I guess I should have said the Xbox 1 is not for me, and left it at that.
If you mean devoid of thought, well, I guess it's true that I didn't think much about the Xbox 1. Baldgye might be right that I didn't understand the concept of the console when I started this thread, but maybe I am beginning to understand what the console really represents. And what the Xbox 1 represents is the current state of middle-brow culture in America, which is mired in mediocrity, hampered by pusillanimity, and hood-winked by false comfort, all of which promotes a slavish conformity to Microsoft and the dictates of a billionaire plutocrat like Bill Gates. I guess I am beginning to lose faith in the broad swath of the middle of the American people. They have lost their fire, and their independence. Since when are Americans so easy to accept the easy conformity of the Xbox? Unlike other cultures and other countries at other times, the great American middle never gave up before, and never simply embraced defeat. They fought the British in 1776, and the Canadians/ British in 1812, and the Rebel South in 1864, and the crazy Kaiser in 1918, and the spectre of financial ruination in 1932, and the evil of fascism in 1941, and the Racism and social injustice of the '50's and '60's, the Cold War in the '80's, grunge music in the '90's, but then it stopped. Now in 2013, there seems to be no middle. Nothing to staunch the slide. It seems to me that when Steve Jobs died on October 11, 2011, a part of the American spirit died as well.
What does any of this have to do with the subject of the thread? I think referring to this as a tangent, would be a severe understatement.
I think metalliqaz summed it up pretty nicely. /bravo
lol.
Thoughtless? how? Like devoid of thought? Or inconsiderate? If you mean inconsiderate, then I apologize, since I didn't mean to offend any Xbox 1 fans. I guess I should have said the Xbox 1 is not for me, and left it at that.
If you mean devoid of thought, well, I guess it's true that I didn't think much about the Xbox 1. Baldgye might be right that I didn't understand the concept of the console when I started this thread, but maybe I am beginning to understand what the console really represents. And what the Xbox 1 represents is the current state of middle-brow culture in America, which is mired in mediocrity, hampered by pusillanimity, and hood-winked by false comfort, all of which promotes a slavish conformity to Microsoft and the dictates of a billionaire plutocrat like Bill Gates. I guess I am beginning to lose faith in the broad swath of the middle of the American people. They have lost their fire, and their independence. Since when are Americans so easy to accept the easy conformity of the Xbox? Unlike other cultures and other countries at other times, the great American middle never gave up before, and never simply embraced defeat. They fought the British in 1776, and the Canadians/ British in 1812, and the Rebel South in 1864, and the crazy Kaiser in 1918, and the spectre of financial ruination in 1932, and the evil of fascism in 1941, and the Racism and social injustice of the '50's and '60's, the Cold War in the '80's, grunge music in the '90's, but then it stopped. Now in 2013, there seems to be no middle. Nothing to staunch the slide. It seems to me that when Steve Jobs died on October 11, 2011, a part of the American spirit died as well.
What does any of this have to do with the subject of the thread? I think referring to this as a tangent, would be a severe understatement.
I think metalliqaz summed it up pretty nicely. /bravo
How can I be tangential to my own thread? I am the ultimate authority on what I am saying. And I am not tangential. :p
But seriously, what I am saying is that I agreed with metalliqaz. But his comment made me feel even worse about the Xbox than I did before, because it made me realize how bad the Xbox really is. The Xbox, or the console in general, is a standardized (i.e., cheap) set of hardware running a standardized (i.e., limited) set of software, delivering a standardized (i.e., controlled) set of info-tainment to the middle of America. Maybe I am an extreme person, or a border-line conspiracist, but that sounds like a very dangerous combination to me. Microsoft is not selling you a window on the world, they are making you pay for your own shackle and a GPS tracker that will track everything you do with the Xbox, from shopping to movie-viewing to gaming to your political viewpoint. You already live in a world controlled by a shockingly tiny number of plutocrats: you already get all of your news from one of 4 billionaires. You borrow your mortgage loan from one of about 20 billionaires. You get your software from one of 4 billionaires. And now you can be watched more easily for signs of defiance, deviance from the group-think, or other forms of non-conformity, through your Xbox. The Xbox is dangerous, and it's the worst kind of danger, because it's insidious. It invites itself into your home, and you welcome it, because it's so easy, and seems so harmless. I thought Americans had an innate revulsion to this sort of thing, but apparently not. Old George Orwell warned about a plutocratic government that keeps you frightened with a perpetual war, and that spies on you through a device that it installs in your home, that you are forced to keep on every minute of every day, that feeds you family entertainment and "news", all while gathering information about you, and gauging your propensity for independent thought and resistance to the government's policies. That sounds like science fiction, until you think about the capability of the Xbox 1.
lol.
Thoughtless? how? Like devoid of thought? Or inconsiderate? If you mean inconsiderate, then I apologize, since I didn't mean to offend any Xbox 1 fans. I guess I should have said the Xbox 1 is not for me, and left it at that.
If you mean devoid of thought, well, I guess it's true that I didn't think much about the Xbox 1. Baldgye might be right that I didn't understand the concept of the console when I started this thread, but maybe I am beginning to understand what the console really represents. And what the Xbox 1 represents is the current state of middle-brow culture in America, which is mired in mediocrity, hampered by pusillanimity, and hood-winked by false comfort, all of which promotes a slavish conformity to Microsoft and the dictates of a billionaire plutocrat like Bill Gates. I guess I am beginning to lose faith in the broad swath of the middle of the American people. They have lost their fire, and their independence. Since when are Americans so easy to accept the easy conformity of the Xbox? Unlike other cultures and other countries at other times, the great American middle never gave up before, and never simply embraced defeat. They fought the British in 1776, and the Canadians/ British in 1812, and the Rebel South in 1864, and the crazy Kaiser in 1918, and the spectre of financial ruination in 1932, and the evil of fascism in 1941, and the Racism and social injustice of the '50's and '60's, the Cold War in the '80's, grunge music in the '90's, but then it stopped. Now in 2013, there seems to be no middle. Nothing to staunch the slide. It seems to me that when Steve Jobs died on October 11, 2011, a part of the American spirit died as well.
What does any of this have to do with the subject of the thread? I think referring to this as a tangent, would be a severe understatement.
I think metalliqaz summed it up pretty nicely. /bravo
How can I be tangential to my own thread? I am the ultimate authority on what I am saying. And I am not tangential. :p
But seriously, what I am saying is that I agreed with metalliqaz. But his comment made me feel even worse about the Xbox than I did before, because it made me realize how bad the Xbox really is. The Xbox, or the console in general, is a standardized (i.e., cheap) set of hardware running a standardized (i.e., limited) set of software, delivering a standardized (i.e., controlled) set of info-tainment to the middle of America. Maybe I am an extreme person, or a border-line conspiracist, but that sounds like a very dangerous combination to me. Microsoft is not selling you a window on the world, they are making you pay for your own shackle and a GPS tracker that will track everything you do with the Xbox, from shopping to movie-viewing to gaming to your political viewpoint. You already live in a world controlled by a shockingly tiny number of plutocrats: you already get all of your news from one of 4 billionaires. You borrow your mortgage loan from one of about 20 billionaires. You get your software from one of 4 billionaires. And now you can be watched more easily for signs of defiance, deviance from the group-think, or other forms of non-conformity, through your Xbox. The Xbox is dangerous, and it's the worst kind of danger, because it's insidious. It invites itself into your home, and you welcome it, because it's so easy, and seems so harmless. I thought Americans had an innate revulsion to this sort of thing, but apparently not. Old George Orwell warned about a plutocratic government that keeps you frightened with a perpetual war, and that spies on you through a device that it installs in your home, that you are forced to keep on every minute of every day, that feeds you family entertainment and "news", all while gathering information about you, and gauging your propensity for independent thought and resistance to the government's policies. That sounds like science fiction, until you think about the capability of the Xbox 1.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DqrDcDA.jpg)
I am torn on the BF4 issue.. because between PC and Console they're 2 completely different games.. The play style will be completely different even given the same map..Even more reason for consoles to still exist, no? The fact that the same game on console and PC will feel and play differently? It's just another proof that this is all way too subjective.
Even though I own a PC that has been able to play pretty much everything and a laptop I bought last year that even outperforms it I can still see the appeal of the Xbox One.
I would love one of those as a media machine and to play games together with friends in the same room. But mostly the media part.
Will I play certain games on PC? Yes, of course. Will I prefer to own certain games on Console? Probably.
My desktop is a 20Kg beast of a case that I do not want to haul down two flights of stairs. And even an excellent piece of DLNA software like Mezzmo (http://www.conceiva.com/productS/mezzmo/default.aSp) doesn't always cut it. For streaming 30GB Full HD content in any file or container type either the TV or the computer sometimes gets choppy.Even though I own a PC that has been able to play pretty much everything and a laptop I bought last year that even outperforms it I can still see the appeal of the Xbox One.
I would love one of those as a media machine and to play games together with friends in the same room. But mostly the media part.
Will I play certain games on PC? Yes, of course. Will I prefer to own certain games on Console? Probably.
You can use a PC to play media or play games together with friends on a television.Show Image(http://images.wikia.com/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/b/b3/Kevin-Butler-Mind-Blown.gif)
PC gaming is not the answer for everyone. I think the 1 Million+ PS4 launch day buyers and the 1 Million+ XBone launch day buyers demonstrates that quite nicely. However the PS4s sales were limited to North America only and XBone was sold in 13 different countries at launch so that should put things into perspective a little. Had PS4 launched in Japan and Europe the same day as in North America, it probably would have dwarfed the XBones sales at launch.+1
But let's just put aside the PS4 vs XBone competition for now and just look at these numbers as a whole. Both consoles set new records for sales compared to previous generations at launch. What does that mean? It's simple really. Console gaming is not on the decline. Quite the contrary.
But let's just put aside the PS4 vs XBone competition for now and just look at these numbers as a whole. Both consoles set new records for sales compared to previous generations at launch. What does that mean? It's simple really. Console gaming is not on the decline. Quite the contrary.
Actually this is pretty depressing. To me, you are describing an Orwellian nightmare-box, all they need to do is add a spycam that peeps into your living room for the NSA and it really is a big brother tube, they already mine your data and read your emails, so why not, I guess.
PC MASTER RACE CHECKING IN.HWWHHAAAATTTT!!?? OKAY!!!!!
XBOX GLORIFIED NETFLIX STREAMERQuoteBut let's just put aside the PS4 vs XBone competition for now and just look at these numbers as a whole. Both consoles set new records for sales compared to previous generations at launch. What does that mean? It's simple really. Console gaming is not on the decline. Quite the contrary.
lil wayne sells millions of albums. doesn't mean he's good. just means there are a lot of dumb mother****ers out there.
PC MASTER RACE CHECKING IN.HWWHHAAAATTTT!!?? OKAY!!!!!
XBOX GLORIFIED NETFLIX STREAMERQuoteBut let's just put aside the PS4 vs XBone competition for now and just look at these numbers as a whole. Both consoles set new records for sales compared to previous generations at launch. What does that mean? It's simple really. Console gaming is not on the decline. Quite the contrary.
lil wayne sells millions of albums. doesn't mean he's good. just means there are a lot of dumb mother****ers out there.
Is it just me, or does anyone else see "XBONE" as "X bone"?
Or maybe it is supposed to be "cross bone" as in pirates?
^ really? Damn.. I thought I nailed that one!!
EDIT: But I already gave myself high fives!!!
Ohh he's the "Lil" who sounds like he's singing through a tracheostomy speaking device all the time. My bad. Wrong "Lil"^ really? Damn.. I thought I nailed that one!!
EDIT: But I already gave myself high fives!!!
you must be a part time cop then
Ohh he's the "Lil" who sounds like he's singing through a tracheostomy speaking device all the time. My bad. Wrong "Lil"^ really? Damn.. I thought I nailed that one!!
EDIT: But I already gave myself high fives!!!
you must be a part time cop then
Awwww. Lil fella. He thinks he's people.Ohh he's the "Lil" who sounds like he's singing through a tracheostomy speaking device all the time. My bad. Wrong "Lil"^ really? Damn.. I thought I nailed that one!!
EDIT: But I already gave myself high fives!!!
you must be a part time cop then
he's the lil that is actually lil.
like 5'2 or something.
Is it just me, or does anyone else see "XBONE" as "X bone"?
The new Xbox 1 turns out to be a crappy PC under the hood. Which tells me that PC gaming is not dead. Eventually Xbox people must realize that they are using a really low-grade PC, and that everything would be better with a real PC, with an SSD, a real video card, and a real keyboard, which all can be had for ~ $750 (USD), which is cheaper than Xbox 1. But then again, sheep will be sheep, and they always get sheared.
I just have one question I would like to ask in regards to the OP.
How is ~$750 cheaper than the Xbox 1 which is $499?
Serious question. Not trying to stir the pot.
Yea, that's what I was wondering.I just have one question I would like to ask in regards to the OP.
How is ~$750 cheaper than the Xbox 1 which is $499?
Serious question. Not trying to stir the pot.
To play devil's advocate, I'm assuming the answer is that at $750 it can do X more things for only Y more dollars.
I'm sure you could build a machine that can outpace the Xbox1 dollar for dollar at $499, but even then not everyone wants to tinker.
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XBOX GLORIFIED NETFLIX STREAMERQuoteBut let's just put aside the PS4 vs XBone competition for now and just look at these numbers as a whole. Both consoles set new records for sales compared to previous generations at launch. What does that mean? It's simple really. Console gaming is not on the decline. Quite the contrary.
lil wayne sells millions of albums. doesn't mean he's good. just means there are a lot of dumb mother****ers out there.
Computers aren't connected to TVs in every home. It would be a pain in the ass to have to move your desktop every time you want to play a game in the living room.
To live.....isn't it obvious?Computers aren't connected to TVs in every home. It would be a pain in the ass to have to move your desktop every time you want to play a game in the living room.
here's the thing.. Why do people still go to their living rooms?..
To live.....isn't it obvious?Computers aren't connected to TVs in every home. It would be a pain in the ass to have to move your desktop every time you want to play a game in the living room.
here's the thing.. Why do people still go to their living rooms?..
I imagined you precisely as one of those guys, tp. Constantly solitary, hunched over PC screen in a darkened room, subsisting off noodles and other things you can eat at your desk.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software.
Any Apple product?
No I know that, but what I mean is that Apple fits that description exactly. Uniform hardware and controlled software
PC MASTER RACE CHECKING IN.
XBOX GLORIFIED NETFLIX STREAMERQuoteBut let's just put aside the PS4 vs XBone competition for now and just look at these numbers as a whole. Both consoles set new records for sales compared to previous generations at launch. What does that mean? It's simple really. Console gaming is not on the decline. Quite the contrary.
lil wayne sells millions of albums. doesn't mean he's good. just means there are a lot of dumb mother****ers out there.
Growing up I had a PC but always wanted Nintendo consoles for Mario games. IMO there wasn't a PC platformer that could compare, at the time. Of course, there weren't games like Day of the Tentacle for consoles, so it wasn't one-sided in the least. Different strengths, different strokes, whatever. This may be less and less so, especially this generation with consoles and PCs sharing the same architecture, but the exclusives to certain consoles still exist.
I imagined you precisely as one of those guys, tp. Constantly solitary, hunched over PC screen in a darkened room, subsisting off noodles and other things you can eat at your desk.
You forgot to add 'who also doesn't have an ergo-dox'.
:P
The overhead used by Windows in regard to games is absolutely minimal to the point where has zero impact how on games perform (which are primarily limited by your GPU, not background CPU cycles and memory allocation). Also, using all available memory is a good thing and makes your PC perform faster.
Well, PC gaming isn't "dead," but it's certainly been seriously wounded.....
Clearly consoles are better than PC's becasue they have all the best games and run at all the best settings. Don't have to worry about frame-rate and changing my AA or resolution settings becasue my console runs everything at max at 1080p. PC gamers are desperate for there platform not to be dead, but it already is. Valve's new console that's on the horizon is the final play in the console's battle.
In the end Nintendo always win.
Clearly consoles are better than PC's becasue they have all the best games and run at all the best settings. Don't have to worry about frame-rate and changing my AA or resolution settings becasue my console runs everything at max at 1080p. PC gamers are desperate for there platform not to be dead, but it already is. Valve's new console that's on the horizon is the final play in the console's battle.
In the end Nintendo always win.
Can't tell if srs, I hope it's not. Obviously consoles don't play everything at max, they play it at whatever the developers decide is the optimum setting for the hardware, which is usually somewhere between low and medium compared to the PC version. Dropping framerates is still at issue with consoles - which tend to have a lower framerate to begin with, exacerbating the problem. The only thing is, since you can't change the settings you have no control over the tradeoff between graphics/framerate like you do with a PC.
I'm not sure how you can claim that PC gaming is dead when y'know basic facts would indicate otherwise. For instance, comparing sales of multi-format titles (i.e. virtually all of them these days) on the PC, Xbox 360, and PS3 over the last several years, the PC has consistently sold the most copies of the three.
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
Actually this is pretty depressing. To me, you are describing an Orwellian nightmare-box, all they need to do is add a spycam that peeps into your living room for the NSA and it really is a big brother tube, they already mine your data and read your emails, so why not, I guess.
Also if the new Xbox costs more than a budget gaming PC, why bother with it?
I don't think I agree. Doesn't matter what the hardware is. A console is not a PC, they serve different roles.
The first Xbox actually WAS a PC inside. It was a console, not a PC.
Consoles are standardized hardware that run a pre-selected, approved set of software. They cater to families, casual gamers, and only partially to hardcore gamers. They don't have keyboards, or mice, or user-facing OS-level features. They about delivering specific content to everybody the same way.
So these days the hardware isn't unique. Not surprising. It's the software and the infrastructure that makes the platform.
Actually this is pretty depressing. To me, you are describing an Orwellian nightmare-box, all they need to do is add a spycam that peeps into your living room for the NSA and it really is a big brother tube, they already mine your data and read your emails, so why not, I guess.
Also if the new Xbox costs more than a budget gaming PC, why bother with it?
You said in your first post that "everything would be better with a real PC, with an SSD, a real video card, and a real keyboard, which all can be had for ~ $750 (USD), which is cheaper than Xbox 1."
No it isn't. If you want a proper gaming PC that will last you for more than a few years, you're looking at over $1000.
What makes consoles special is the experience and the exclusive titles. I game on both PS and PC, and there are certain games I'll play for each platform. All of my FPS gaming is done on PC, yet my platform games, I don't know, like Assassins Creed are all done on PS.
This whole hating on console or hating on PC thing is getting real old. Real gamers don't give a crap, and they will usually be on two or three different platforms.
On a "budget" gaming PC, yes you'll be able to play Battlefield 4 and Crysis 3, but it will look like crap. Your PC will have whole world of problems with overheating, etc. that it's not even worth it. So to the people who can't afford a high end gaming PC, then get a console. Not to mention the fact that most FPS games are riddled with cheaters on PC. Stuff like that very rarely, if ever, happens on console. Everyone is playing on the same level so I kind of like that a lot.
Yes I like my PC more and do all of my serious gaming on it, but those people who tell others to just get a budget PC are missing the point. Get a console rather than a budget PC, if all you want to do is play games on it. Because like I said, who wants to play Battlefield 4 on medium/low settings? What's the point?
PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...
You can't compete with free...
So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..
what about sunlight..PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...
You can't compete with free...
So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..
Nothing in this world is free.
costs you the risk of skin cancer
costs you the risk of skin cancerNo??
The new Xbox 1 turns out to be a crappy PC under the hood.
PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...
You can't compete with free...
So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..
The new Xbox 1 turns out to be a crappy PC under the hood.
Wow, the xbox 1 is a computer? What a shocking revelation....
I PC game but whenever a new console is released, I buy all the good games on the previous console. I bought maybe 20 fantastic ps3 games at $10 a pop. Totally worth it for someone who doesn't buy them new. Red Dead Redemption was like 6 bucks.
PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...
You can't compete with free...
So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..
Some might argue piracy is killing PC gaming actually. Developers would rather their games not be pirated, and hence more and more games are console exclusive.
A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Official-Microsoft-Xbox-360-PC-Black-Glossy-Wired-Controller-UD-S9F-00001-/131044761044?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1e82e05dd4 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Official-Microsoft-Xbox-360-PC-Black-Glossy-Wired-Controller-UD-S9F-00001-/131044761044?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1e82e05dd4)
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.
A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.I never actually got used to any controllers and believe me I tried a lot of them, any fps game I played is simply better to play with mouse and keyboard same goes for any rts/moba game I played. On the other side there are many rpgs that are better played on joystick, it depends on the type of the game rather than the peripheral imo.
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.
Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
you might want to check this out: http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
you might want to check this out: http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
I agree with you 100% and I believe it is a personal preference of what are you using, even both.you might want to check this out: http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
I know the article. The average PC player will absolutely humiliate the average console player. That's not up for debate. I was talking about comfort. That said, there are some really fantastic console gamers out there with deadly accuracy and skill.
"EXTRA 5% OFF WHEN YOU SPEND $100 OR MORE"A keyboard isn't a device optimized for gaming. It's silly to think that a keyboard is superior to a joystick.http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Official-Microsoft-Xbox-360-PC-Black-Glossy-Wired-Controller-UD-S9F-00001-/131044761044?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1e82e05dd4 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-Official-Microsoft-Xbox-360-PC-Black-Glossy-Wired-Controller-UD-S9F-00001-/131044761044?pt=US_Video_Game_Controllers&hash=item1e82e05dd4)
Then again, if I had the equipment I'd just plug in a controller to a PC.
PC gaming will never die.. simply because Piracy...
You can't compete with free...
So you go more/less f2p.. and then leverage the game as an advertising platform..
Some might argue piracy is killing PC gaming actually. Developers would rather their games not be pirated, and hence more and more games are console exclusive.
piracy is the death to the original business model.. not gaming on the PC.
Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
So remap your keys?
In my experience every single one of those sucked.Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
So remap your keys?
Or buy one of those gaming mice with a dozen buttons on it.
I can't find my way around a controller for FPS. I could never get the right sensitivity and the lack of remapping(well compared to pc) sucks. I also found it more tiresome having my hands so close together.
I can't find my way around a controller for FPS. I could never get the right sensitivity and the lack of remapping(well compared to pc) sucks. I also found it more tiresome having my hands so close together.
I was like that way at first. What I did was start with a slower paced game. In my case, it was Killzone 2. I set mine to about 20% sensitivity, then finished the game that way. Mind you, it was easier said than done. I couldn't aim if my life depended on it. Yet slowly over time, it got better, and I kept increasing the sensitivity until it got to around 30%. Now, I could go higher, but there's just no need, especially if you're playing as a sniper or something, the scope sway will be impossible to control if you have it set at like 50%. Around 25% is the sweet spot.
Took me about a month to get used to it in total, and now it just feels very comfortable.
Well, it kind of changes depending on the game. For a slower FPS like Killzone, I'll have it set to around 30-35%. For something faster, like Battlefield, I'll have it set to 25%, so I'm not completely thrown off when I pick up a sniper rifle.
On PC, my DPI is set to 4000, which I bump down to around 2000 if I'm sniping. That's why I love the RAT 7 so much, the "aim" button is placed perfectly, so I had that set to 800 DPI when I was in my scope. Let go and I was back at 4000 DPI.
It's just a matter of experimenting with whatever works best for you, as everyone is different. But as with everything, it's always good to start slow and gradually increase speed. I know guys who play Battlefield with 100% sensitivity on the Dualshock 3, and it's absolutely crazy. I tried it once and couldn't do anything.
Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
Linkb.. u trollin' us?
Pc gamrz have been dominating the FPS arena for years...
Since you do not know this.. I imagine you must be a good student and have a great relationship with your parents.. in place of playing tons of video games to escape...
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People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC
People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS
it's that simple.
People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC
People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS
it's that simple.
No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?
People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC
People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS
it's that simple.
No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?
I think alosec is saying that the best gamers gravitate to PC games, while people who are not as good gravitate more toward consoles. That is my experience as well. Lag, server glitches, bad players (make that horribad players), and annoying little kids under 12, are much more frequently encountered with console gaming than PC gaming. Another thing, have you ever been to an Xbox lan-party? They're not fun. Unfun, if that is a word.Show Image(http://www.gamecareerguide.com/features/20060330/Halo2_Lan.jpg)
People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PCExcept it's not and it's actually much more complex than that.
People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS
it's that simple.
People that care about their games and want to optimize it to be the best possible: PC
People that want something to take their free time occasionally: Xbox/PS
it's that simple.
No, it really isn't. Could we at least attempt for this to not become another circlejerk PC master race thread?
I think alosec is saying that the best gamers gravitate to PC games, while people who are not as good gravitate more toward consoles. That is my experience as well. Lag, server glitches, bad players (make that horribad players), and annoying little kids under 12, are much more frequently encountered with console gaming than PC gaming. Another thing, have you ever been to an Xbox lan-party? They're not fun. Unfun, if that is a word.Show Image(http://www.gamecareerguide.com/features/20060330/Halo2_Lan.jpg)
Psh, I play Super Smash Bros. Melee fests weekly. Console LAN parties aren't that fun because someone's getting killed, but honestly PC gaming seems a lot more toxic than XBL, at least. You might have whiny kids, but at least you don't have HoN-level people trying to make your life hell if you're starting a game.
In my experience every single one of those sucked.Really now? I felt that FPS games were more natural on joystick, while RPG/RTS/most other things are good on computer.
And Tym, haha. I have the controller, just have to figure out how to hook it up to my laptop.
I kind of agree with this. In the past, I've strictly played FPS' with a keyboard and mouse, because I just couldn't get used to them on controllers. But after a lot of training and time, and by gradually boosting the sensitivity, I am now good with a controller.. maybe even better than with a keyboard and mouse. It just feels more natural to have your hands closer together without having to reach around for a lot of stuff. Everything is right there under your fingers.
So remap your keys?
Or buy one of those gaming mice with a dozen buttons on it.
I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?
I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?
I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?
The only advantage of porting Forza to PC would be better graphics.. but that is non-essential to the game.. because the main forte' of forza is the physics sim.. and that doesn't really benefit from a port to PC, a faster processor really won't help the simple calculations involved. (relative to modern processors)..
So yea.. I don't see why it needs to be ported. It plays fine on xbox..
I am just looking forward to hopefully less lazy 'ports' to Windows since it's all x86-64 now.I really do hope Microsoft will port Forza one day.... But since it's a xbox seller it won't ever be released to PC.... I can dream can't I?
The only advantage of porting Forza to PC would be better graphics.. but that is non-essential to the game.. because the main forte' of forza is the physics sim.. and that doesn't really benefit from a port to PC, a faster processor really won't help the simple calculations involved. (relative to modern processors)..
So yea.. I don't see why it needs to be ported. It plays fine on xbox..
While I would agree that physics calculations can be simple for simple operations but the calculations for a racing/physics sim are neither simple nor quick to calculate.
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Give back my PC-Madden!!! (or at the very least, make an official facemask/gear/texture update patch for '08, and let us buy it for $10...)
It really, Really bothers me, that EA already has all these "next gen" assets developed and optimized for 360/one/ps3/ps4, but they keep acting like modern gaming PC's wouldn't be able to handle the engine... Meanwhile, BF4. BF4! Do i even need to say anything else? FFS that game... looks really nice, but even my 1090t@3.6 and gtx590 (both on custom loop w/ a phobya 1080 external radiator) can barely handle it. I find it very difficult to believe that Madden "25" (aka 13... or is it 14 now?) would be "too much" for a modern gaming rig. Surely with a relatively small environment and significantly fewer concurrent players, it would work just fine.
Then again, take a look at the new Sim City. Looks great, but even that hitches a bit on max settings. The Sims 3 is like that but even worse. I've seen countless posts of people rocking i7's and 690's still having issues w/ Sims 3.
Clearly, EA doesn't mind putting out games that barely perform acceptably on modern gaming rigs. So why make the "performance" excuse for Madden?
EA blames "piracy" for refusing to release Madden on PC, but then, why are they still producing other games? Can they not figure out some kind of acceptable DRM scheme for madden? I find that difficult to believe, and i refuse to accept that answer as valid.
Performance excuses are BS. Piracy excuse is BS. Plenty of people would love to play (and more importantly: purchase) the newer madden on PC, so "low sales" is also BS. Plus! they're already making revenue from those very same assets on all the consoles! So whether or not PC "has low sales" should not even be an issue; profit is profit, and having customers that don't hate you, is something i would think every company wants... and the resources already exist. All they would have to do is use the same resources, but reconfigure those already-existing resources, to function on typical modern PC architecture. Surely that would not cost EA more than they would make by doing it. I would be willing to Wager that they would sell at least 1 million copies of a new Madden for PC. That's not much compared to the super-hyped shooters, but it's still a lot. It's still enough to justify doing it, even if "some people" end up pirating it.
And they wonder why they get voted "worst company in america."
It is quite clear to me that EA will do whatever it takes to maximize their profits, for every single other game they sell. Why not Madden for PC? They don't even have a good excuse.
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I maintain american football games suck... it plays itself, you're not really even part of the game..