Yeah, switching between topre and MX feels horrible. It's best to get used to one and stick with it, IMO. You kind of get used to pressing the topres all the way down, and once you've used it for a while, it seems pretty natural. Oddly enough, though, going from Topre back to MX feels fine; only the other way around is hard...
I find that I am generally faster at typing on the HHKB, but yes, there is a short period of adjustment when starting to use HHKB at home compared to using MX (QFS MX green atm) at work all day.
Conversely after using HHKB at home all weekend I have to adjust back to MX green at work.
I find that I am generally faster at typing on the HHKB, but yes, there is a short period of adjustment when starting to use HHKB at home compared to using MX (QFS MX green atm) at work all day.
Conversely after using HHKB at home all weekend I have to adjust back to MX green at work.
i'd be surprised if anyone can type fast on a green board. those are heavy suckers.
It will all depend on the user. Neither is better or worse for typing speed or feel.
It will all depend on the user. Neither is better or worse for typing speed or feel.
Most GH-level proficient users could do 120wpm on ANY keyboard within a few runs.
Hear us.... the keyboard is not a determinant of speed / performance, it could be correlated through other means but it is not the cause...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
I find that I am generally faster at typing on the HHKB, but yes, there is a short period of adjustment when starting to use HHKB at home compared to using MX (QFS MX green atm) at work all day.
Conversely after using HHKB at home all weekend I have to adjust back to MX green at work.
i'd be surprised if anyone can type fast on a green board. those are heavy suckers.
It will all depend on the user. Neither is better or worse for typing speed or feel.
Most GH-level proficient users could do 120wpm on ANY keyboard within a few runs.
Hear us.... the keyboard is not a determinant of speed / performance, it could be correlated through other means but it is not the cause...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
I would push away an MX Black before it got close to me. ;D
In fact, many of my records are set on dome keyboards, but I attribute it to the fact that at school and midday I am alert and most active, whereas in the evening I'm quite sluggish and tired, especially after a long night's practice.
It will all depend on the user. Neither is better or worse for typing speed or feel.
Most GH-level proficient users could do 120wpm on ANY keyboard within a few runs.
Hear us.... the keyboard is not a determinant of speed / performance, it could be correlated through other means but it is not the cause...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
I would push away an MX Black before it got close to me. ;D
In fact, many of my records are set on dome keyboards, but I attribute it to the fact that at school and midday I am alert and most active, whereas in the evening I'm quite sluggish and tired, especially after a long night's practice.
Yea sleep/wake cycle has a huge impact on acuity related performance.. slightly after 2pm is your most alert / dextrous time.
It will all depend on the user. Neither is better or worse for typing speed or feel.
Most GH-level proficient users could do 120wpm on ANY keyboard within a few runs.
Hear us.... the keyboard is not a determinant of speed / performance, it could be correlated through other means but it is not the cause...Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
I would push away an MX Black before it got close to me. ;D
In fact, many of my records are set on dome keyboards, but I attribute it to the fact that at school and midday I am alert and most active, whereas in the evening I'm quite sluggish and tired, especially after a long night's practice.
Yea sleep/wake cycle has a huge impact on acuity related performance.. slightly after 2pm is your most alert / dextrous time.
It is 2:29pm for me, and having just finished "lunch" I am starting to become weary and ready to go home.
Not exactly my most alert time.
BW man.. what is your current wpm.. and what do you find about certain keyboards that's actually limiting...
BW man.. what is your current wpm.. and what do you find about certain keyboards that's actually limiting...
My current is 75-88 wpm and I use Qwerty.
When I started into mechanical keyboards I was 30-40 wpm in March.
Because I started with the BW obviously I have used it the most, but with each new acquisition I have put them through their paces by using them exclusively for a week.
What I find helps me is tactility which I equate to some cars steering being more responsive and resulting in better handling overall. So while I'm on fire I can do well on reds, this will not always be the case though because of the lack of tactile bump or click. Blues and greens have both. Between boards with the same switch, such as the ducky and steelseries I find the limiting factor mainly to be the placement of the right shift with the 6gV2. But this can be negated with sticky keys.
With the Das and BW the BW is more crisp for some reason. But there must be other factors I am not aware of in the construction of the two boards that make them sound, feel and perform differently. That is why I liked the idea of at the next convention or meetup having cardboard boxes with cutouts and having numbers of good typists try out the different boards and then tallying up the results.
Some people are obviously so well trained in their muscle memory that they do not require tactility. They are like robots each finger moving to the right spot at warp speed and not deviating too far from home row to achieve good accuracy and may type fastest on reds on average.
My results are skewed by the fact that I used certain boards earlier on in my gaining more typing skill so I should maybe try all on the same day and test. I could do so blind folded, and see how many lines of "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" I could type perfectly each and with perfect accuracy.
Other people may weigh in on the factors that make different boards even with the exact same switch from the exact same batch more tactile, smooth, etc. These factors may of course include keycap material, type of switch and switch design (alps, topre, mx, or buckling spring), switch mounting, clicky or non-clicky, distance to actuation point and distance to bottoming out, reset point, case construction and flex.
Don't ask me but I can pick up the Matias Mini or unicomp and get 72% fluidity score on klavaro right now but with the topre maybe only after 10 tries. I think the topre while feeling tactile isn't really tactile in that it is not conducive to typing fluidly. You may ask what is conducive to typing fluidly? Tactility eg. audible click and actuation bump; however, while the matias is quiet it is still tactile enough for fluidity. How can you test fluidity? With a metronome. Or using the built in measure in Klavaro.
Just so you know, I type at about the same speed on Blues as I do on rubber domes. In fact, I recently exceeded my old record of 149 by 5 wpm on a RD. I guarantee that at your level it has nothing to do with keyboard, but rather all about familiarity.
Just so you know, I type at about the same speed on Blues as I do on rubber domes. In fact, I recently exceeded my old record of 149 by 5 wpm on a RD. I guarantee that at your level it has nothing to do with keyboard, but rather all about familiarity.
Then why did it take you so long to improve from 149 to 154? You might've been on a really good day and that must be a damn good rubber dome :))
I bet you couldn't type 160 on any rubber dome I hand you given a week on it.
BW Man
how do you use a DAS or BW with the same blues but the distance is so far?
Wow you guys are actually saying that if two cars with different bodies and tires but with the exact same engine (insert exact same cherry mx switch) can be driven at the same speed around a race track by the same driver when he is at the exact same level of mental acuity? This is where I beg to differ. Why are BMW's renowned for their driving characteristics. Are keyboards so identical? Then why the price differences. Are all the differences unrelated to performance?
Can't you see that topres are topres with topre switches and are not the same as cm storms with cherry mx switches.
Wow you guys are actually saying that if two cars with different bodies and tires but with the exact same engine (insert exact same cherry mx switch) can be driven at the same speed around a race track by the same driver when he is at the exact same level of mental acuity? This is where I beg to differ. Why are BMW's renowned for their driving characteristics. Are keyboards so identical? Then why the price differences. Are all the differences unrelated to performance?
Can't you see that topres are topres with topre switches and are not the same as cm storms with cherry mx switches.
Zero difference. Typing=/=performance of the keyboard, unless it's really absolute garbage.
That's not an accurate analogy of cars. Sure, in terms of price, perhaps, but performance has nothing to do with the expense. Anyone who can type at around 120 shouldn't have a problem on any keyboard unless it's like a roll-up.
this discussion is now entering snake-oil territory..
blackwidowman.. we're only trying to say, you need a bit more experience before you can understand speed keyboarding..
The upper limit is in the user..
It is not correct to compare it to a car, because this is far less complex a task.
Wow you guys are actually saying that if two cars with different bodies and tires but with the exact same engine (insert exact same cherry mx switch) can be driven at the same speed around a race track by the same driver when he is at the exact same level of mental acuity? This is where I beg to differ. Why are BMW's renowned for their driving characteristics. Are keyboards so identical? Then why the price differences. Are all the differences unrelated to performance?
Can't you see that topres are topres with topre switches and are not the same as cm storms with cherry mx switches.
Zero difference. Typing=/=performance of the keyboard, unless it's really absolute garbage.
That's not an accurate analogy of cars. Sure, in terms of price, perhaps, but performance has nothing to do with the expense. Anyone who can type at around 120 shouldn't have a problem on any keyboard unless it's like a roll-up.
I strongly disagree here. We're talking about absolutes here, where a few tenths of a second could mean your best time. Klavaro is an absolutely free program you can get from package managers on Linux distros and for windows here: http://klavaro.sourceforge.net/en/.
Everyone interested should try. Linkbane I am betting fluidity scores and overall test percentages WILL vary quite a bit if people try across their different boards and post the results. Then you can argue whether fluidity is conducive to speed or not. Perhaps that is another argument. I'm not arguing that people should a hundred boards to find out. That's why I advocated a means of blind testing. So that people into performance typing do NOT have to buy a whole bunch of boards but may know which ones to choose from.
Once you download Klavaro, press menu and go straight to test 4. Fluidity. This gives you a total score (speed, accuracy, fluidity) and the individual percentages for speed, accuracy and fluidity.
Wow, I'll let you re-read your post Link at your own leisure. Basically, each typist is different but there will be a board out there that will on average make him type faster - for him/her.
Haha I don't like to admit it but in the very same irony that by me getting HHKB in the first place does not automagically improve my typing speeds. I personally average around 60-65 wpm on RD keyboards, when I switched to either Topre or simplfied Alps I have noticed that my speed dropped slightly to 62 wpm. It definitely has nothing to do with the keyboard technology but just how fast one can remember the keys on their keyboard and hitting it at the right time. Hence ...Wow, I'll let you re-read your post Link at your own leisure. Basically, each typist is different but there will be a board out there that will on average make him type faster - for him/her.
No, there's a board he/she will get used to and therefore be better with.
I think that you need to reread your posts, by thinking that using keyboard will make you faster at typing. Perhaps that's why you don't improve, because you chalk it up to your equipment rather than your actual ability?
As can obviously be seen, typing at any decent speed requires good flow. It's not conducive to typing, it's a byproduct. Your typing can be as rhythmic and pretty as you like, but if it's, by the mean, slower, it doesn't matter.As well as ...
By the way, typing is quite completely a personal affair. It is 100% pushing buttons, it has nothing arcane to do with it; typing quickly is very simple, it's just rehashing muscle memory millions of times. The fingers are of course designed to work with each other, and it's not nearly as complex as you make it out to be.
The upper limit is in the user..Is very true at the end of the day. I guess a much better analogy would have been if lets say one average driver goes for a race around Nürburgring clocks in X amounts of minutes, passes on the car keys for the exact same car but this time with a seasoned professional racer. There is a very good chance that the seasoned professional racer would most likely be able to clock at much better times on the first go. Why? the seasoned professional race driver would have known the circuit virtually inside out like the back of their hands and plus given the fact that there are chances the professional racer would have had to race various cars during their lifetime, they would have a basic theory of how the car they are supposed to race/drive in would handle when driven on the said circuit. Of course this is just barely skimming the tip of the iceberg. A professional driver would drive better at the limits to the conditions imposed by the weather whereas there are chances that the average drive would have taken a more cautious approach just to be safe.
Haha I don't like to admit it but in the very same irony that by me getting HHKB in the first place does not automagically improve my typing speeds. I personally average around 60-65 wpm on RD keyboards, when I switched to either Topre or simplfied Alps I have noticed that my speed dropped slightly to 62 wpm. It definitely has nothing to do with the keyboard technology but just how fast one can remember the keys on their keyboard and hitting it at the right time. Hence ...Wow, I'll let you re-read your post Link at your own leisure. Basically, each typist is different but there will be a board out there that will on average make him type faster - for him/her.
No, there's a board he/she will get used to and therefore be better with.
I think that you need to reread your posts, by thinking that using keyboard will make you faster at typing. Perhaps that's why you don't improve, because you chalk it up to your equipment rather than your actual ability?As can obviously be seen, typing at any decent speed requires good flow. It's not conducive to typing, it's a byproduct. Your typing can be as rhythmic and pretty as you like, but if it's, by the mean, slower, it doesn't matter.As well as ...
By the way, typing is quite completely a personal affair. It is 100% pushing buttons, it has nothing arcane to do with it; typing quickly is very simple, it's just rehashing muscle memory millions of times. The fingers are of course designed to work with each other, and it's not nearly as complex as you make it out to be.The upper limit is in the user..Is very true at the end of the day. I guess a much better analogy would have been if lets say one average driver goes for a race around Nürburgring clocks in X amounts of minutes, passes on the car keys for the exact same car but this time with a seasoned professional racer. There is a very good chance that the seasoned professional racer would most likely be able to clock at much better times on the first go. Why? the seasoned professional race driver would have known the circuit virtually inside out like the back of their hands and plus given the fact that there are chances the professional racer would have had to race various cars during their lifetime, they would have a basic theory of how the car they are supposed to race/drive in would handle when driven on the said circuit. Of course this is just barely skimming the tip of the iceberg. A professional driver would drive better at the limits to the conditions imposed by the weather whereas there are chances that the average drive would have taken a more cautious approach just to be safe.
It does not matter all that much what the car is in question at the end of the day. Like keyboards, they are just an "intermediate" or a "medium". Handing over the rights to drive a real F1 car on any random circuit does not automagically make the average bloke as fast as a seasoned professional driver. Sure the average driver would clock a really fast time, faster than say if they were to drive a 911, a Ferrari or even just a Civic on the same circuit but that is only assuming if the average driver could handle and iron out all the quirks of driving a F1.
The real limitation is all to do with one's capability to type fast in this case has to do with their physical abilities. Buying a fancy HHKB Pro for instance when you can only use one finger at a time does not make you as fast as those as touch typists regardless of which keyboard they are using at the time to make the score.
Just as typing with a few fingers on the keys (i.e. mostly hunt pecking method) is not an issue with the keyboard in question, it is mainly to do with the typist in question. Even if the layout is different it is still up to the typist to make use of their memory for instance to make sure they know which keys are where and how to access them quickly as well as efficiently. This was partially why we have all these fancy keyboard layouts (like QWERTY, DVORAK, COLEMAK, AZERTY, QWERTZ, etc) as well as the fact that we would be faster at data inputting had we learnt touch typing because it makes us remember the layout in our heads for instance.
No worries, actually I forgot to cover one more bit of area after re-reading it now.Haha I don't like to admit it but in the very same irony that by me getting HHKB in the first place does not automagically improve my typing speeds. I personally average around 60-65 wpm on RD keyboards, when I switched to either Topre or simplfied Alps I have noticed that my speed dropped slightly to 62 wpm. It definitely has nothing to do with the keyboard technology but just how fast one can remember the keys on their keyboard and hitting it at the right time. Hence ...Wow, I'll let you re-read your post Link at your own leisure. Basically, each typist is different but there will be a board out there that will on average make him type faster - for him/her.
No, there's a board he/she will get used to and therefore be better with.
I think that you need to reread your posts, by thinking that using keyboard will make you faster at typing. Perhaps that's why you don't improve, because you chalk it up to your equipment rather than your actual ability?As can obviously be seen, typing at any decent speed requires good flow. It's not conducive to typing, it's a byproduct. Your typing can be as rhythmic and pretty as you like, but if it's, by the mean, slower, it doesn't matter.As well as ...
By the way, typing is quite completely a personal affair. It is 100% pushing buttons, it has nothing arcane to do with it; typing quickly is very simple, it's just rehashing muscle memory millions of times. The fingers are of course designed to work with each other, and it's not nearly as complex as you make it out to be.The upper limit is in the user..Is very true at the end of the day. I guess a much better analogy would have been if lets say one average driver goes for a race around Nürburgring clocks in X amounts of minutes, passes on the car keys for the exact same car but this time with a seasoned professional racer. There is a very good chance that the seasoned professional racer would most likely be able to clock at much better times on the first go. Why? the seasoned professional race driver would have known the circuit virtually inside out like the back of their hands and plus given the fact that there are chances the professional racer would have had to race various cars during their lifetime, they would have a basic theory of how the car they are supposed to race/drive in would handle when driven on the said circuit. Of course this is just barely skimming the tip of the iceberg. A professional driver would drive better at the limits to the conditions imposed by the weather whereas there are chances that the average drive would have taken a more cautious approach just to be safe.
It does not matter all that much what the car is in question at the end of the day. Like keyboards, they are just an "intermediate" or a "medium". Handing over the rights to drive a real F1 car on any random circuit does not automagically make the average bloke as fast as a seasoned professional driver. Sure the average driver would clock a really fast time, faster than say if they were to drive a 911, a Ferrari or even just a Civic on the same circuit but that is only assuming if the average driver could handle and iron out all the quirks of driving a F1.
The real limitation is all to do with one's capability to type fast in this case has to do with their physical abilities. Buying a fancy HHKB Pro for instance when you can only use one finger at a time does not make you as fast as those as touch typists regardless of which keyboard they are using at the time to make the score.
Just as typing with a few fingers on the keys (i.e. mostly hunt pecking method) is not an issue with the keyboard in question, it is mainly to do with the typist in question. Even if the layout is different it is still up to the typist to make use of their memory for instance to make sure they know which keys are where and how to access them quickly as well as efficiently. This was partially why we have all these fancy keyboard layouts (like QWERTY, DVORAK, COLEMAK, AZERTY, QWERTZ, etc) as well as the fact that we would be faster at data inputting had we learnt touch typing because it makes us remember the layout in our heads for instance.
Thanks for taking the time to write out such a detailed response. Everything that I wanted to say and more.
Again, your car analogy is completely false. The car's ability to drive quickly is dictated by its engine, it has nothing to do with its driver in terms of speed. Someone holding the throttle as a racing champ vs me on a straight strip will accelerate at the same rate. The opposite is true with keyboards. I agree with tp, this is not nearly so complex a task. Every typing situation is nearly the exact same, with a keyboard and things to copy. Don't waste your time analyzing things which don't exist. Perhaps tactility is important for some, but it's evidence enough that typists can reach in the 180 wpm+ without using a mechanical that switch type has minimal effect on speed.I'll happily admit that typing on my HHKB feels insanely nice. It is kind of like being in the back seats of a Maybach, but it does not necessarily make me type faster than what I can normally do. Maybe I may only gain 1-2 wpm extra if I'm lucky but it is still the limitations of what I can do without trying to learn more on how to type faster.
God I hate these threads. Different people prefer different switches. Different people will type faster or slower on different switches. There is no such thing as a "typing switch" or a "gaming switch" it all depends on the user's preference.
I am far from new here even with my low post count and this wasnt to bring up the flame wars that ensue when Topre vs. MX shows up. Oh, I also use the search function quite a bit even when it doesnt return very good results...
It was interesting reading about ultimate typing speeds that was brought up. I completely agree its 99% user for out right speed. Its muscle memory and practice. I am sure if Link didnt practice quite a bit he would never hit 150WPM as a casual typist. He seems to love to strive for the fastest speed possible and is willing to put in the work for it. An elite typist would/should be able to hit pretty close to their max on several different keyboards as long as the layout is the same. It may not all happen on the same day at the same time, but give them a small amount of time to get used to the board, even a day, and I bet they could get close to their max.
My original point for this thread was that I got really thrown off by the feel of Topre after getting so used to the Ergo Clears. My typing style really needed to change switching back to the Topre and it slowed me down. It wasnt a lot, but it was marked. This was for just casual typing like I do all day for work, not in trying to get outright speed on a typing test. When that happens I tend to type the same way, much more firm and deliberate and switch style seems to make less of a difference. I also noticed that going from Topre back to Cherry or even Alps didnt pose much of an issue, it was going from another switch over to Topre that really caused me the most problems in readjusting my typing style.
I am far from new here even with my low post count and this wasnt to bring up the flame wars that ensue when Topre vs. MX shows up. Oh, I also use the search function quite a bit even when it doesnt return very good results...
It was interesting reading about ultimate typing speeds that was brought up. I completely agree its 99% user for out right speed. Its muscle memory and practice. I am sure if Link didnt practice quite a bit he would never hit 150WPM as a casual typist. He seems to love to strive for the fastest speed possible and is willing to put in the work for it. An elite typist would/should be able to hit pretty close to their max on several different keyboards as long as the layout is the same. It may not all happen on the same day at the same time, but give them a small amount of time to get used to the board, even a day, and I bet they could get close to their max.
My original point for this thread was that I got really thrown off by the feel of Topre after getting so used to the Ergo Clears. My typing style really needed to change switching back to the Topre and it slowed me down. It wasnt a lot, but it was marked. This was for just casual typing like I do all day for work, not in trying to get outright speed on a typing test. When that happens I tend to type the same way, much more firm and deliberate and switch style seems to make less of a difference. I also noticed that going from Topre back to Cherry or even Alps didnt pose much of an issue, it was going from another switch over to Topre that really caused me the most problems in readjusting my typing style.
Perhaps the thread title should have been something like:
"Does anyone else have to adjust or change your typing style when switching between Cherry MX and Topre switches?"
I am far from new here even with my low post count and this wasnt to bring up the flame wars that ensue when Topre vs. MX shows up. Oh, I also use the search function quite a bit even when it doesnt return very good results...
It was interesting reading about ultimate typing speeds that was brought up. I completely agree its 99% user for out right speed. Its muscle memory and practice. I am sure if Link didnt practice quite a bit he would never hit 150WPM as a casual typist. He seems to love to strive for the fastest speed possible and is willing to put in the work for it. An elite typist would/should be able to hit pretty close to their max on several different keyboards as long as the layout is the same. It may not all happen on the same day at the same time, but give them a small amount of time to get used to the board, even a day, and I bet they could get close to their max.
My original point for this thread was that I got really thrown off by the feel of Topre after getting so used to the Ergo Clears. My typing style really needed to change switching back to the Topre and it slowed me down. It wasnt a lot, but it was marked. This was for just casual typing like I do all day for work, not in trying to get outright speed on a typing test. When that happens I tend to type the same way, much more firm and deliberate and switch style seems to make less of a difference. I also noticed that going from Topre back to Cherry or even Alps didnt pose much of an issue, it was going from another switch over to Topre that really caused me the most problems in readjusting my typing style.
Perhaps the thread title should have been something like:
"Does anyone else have to adjust or change your typing style when switching between Cherry MX and Topre switches?"
Perhaps... Want me to start a new one?? :eek:
I can but I think this thread has about run its course based on how off topic it got so quickly. I am sure in a few days it will be banished several pages back only to be possibly resurrected by a future search.I wish that was the case. Unfortunately (as you have demonstrated) people here don't use the search function. This exact topic has literally been discussed probably hundereds of times here.
I can but I think this thread has about run its course based on how off topic it got so quickly. I am sure in a few days it will be banished several pages back only to be possibly resurrected by a future search.I wish that was the case. Unfortunately (as you have demonstrated) people here don't use the search function. This exact topic has literally been discussed probably hundereds of times here.
I already answered the question of this thread earlier. If I wasn't on my phone right now I would go find threads just like these.I can but I think this thread has about run its course based on how off topic it got so quickly. I am sure in a few days it will be banished several pages back only to be possibly resurrected by a future search.I wish that was the case. Unfortunately (as you have demonstrated) people here don't use the search function. This exact topic has literally been discussed probably hundereds of times here.
I have been here over three years now and have used the search function too many times to count. This "exact" topic has not come up in searches I made. There are plenty of flame wars of Topre vs "x" switch as for some reason many like to dump on Topre and just as many feel the need to vigorously defend the switch from all attacks. Normally that has to do with maybe buying one vs the other or why Topre is so expensive or should I try Topre.
Thanks for commenting regardless even though you have nothing to add to the thread, at least it keeps it near the top of the page ;)
Feel free to post later. I did some searching today and didnt find much...Pretty much. I try and stay out of this board because of all the redundant questions.
Edit: changed my search terms quite a few times and I would guess these are the closest for you:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47440.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49594.0
Maybe this one? http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51413.0
Regardless, they all have similarities but none are the same. If you want to go by similarities then I bet half the topics on here would drive you nuts.
BWMan - I think your car analogy is a little flawed. I raced competitively for over 20 yrs (autocross and time trials) and I think you are going about it wrong. You are talking about two different cars and having the driver do the same lap time. Its not going to happen, even on an elite level like two different F1 cars. You are going to get really darn close if the cars are that similar but I think its the wrong way to think about this.
How about the same car (switch) and multiple drivers? Lets take your BW board and put me, Link and Sean Wrona on it. Same switch for all. I am 99.9% sure that Link will crush my typing speed and Sean would most likely beat Link (unless Link leaves it in Dvorak without saying anything!!). Same board, same switch, three pretty varied speeds. I max at 100wpm on good days, Link is at 150 and Sean has been over 200 on good days. Put all of us on a cheap membrane board and I am sure the outcome would be the same. We may not all hit the same max speed right away but I bet the percentage of difference across the three of us would be pretty close to the same.
Tux pretty much said the above - keep the board/car the same and give it two different users and you will see a much greater difference vs. same user on different cars/boards. I saw this first hand in many events. We had fun runs all the time at the end of races and one of the favorites was to take some random car (usually a rental!) and then see what driver could get the fastest time. Same car for all, same amount of seat time for all, but there were pretty wide ranging results depending on the talent of the driver.
I do say that I generally type better on mechanicals, but I really don't mind the feel of rubber domes that much, they give me quite good tactility. Really the keyboard
I do say that I generally type better on mechanicals, but I really don't mind the feel of rubber domes that much, they give me quite good tactility. Really the keyboard
I don't want to get on another tangent here, but I'm just very curious -- do you find Topres worse than normal domes for typing fast? From other threads, I gather that you are certainly not a fan of typing on them. You say here that rubber domes give you good tactility--but aren't topres more tactile than normal rubber domes?
Link - have you tried a Topre board? Curious what you think of them if you have. I will admit that the hype and sound clips are what drew me to them. As much as I appreciate their smoothness and that sound I dont know if I can say they are my favorite switch for all day use.
That is how I think I am starting to lean. I like the Topre but dont love it. I dont have much in my Type Heaven so will probably keep it just to have around as something different to try now and then. Had I gone all in on a HHKB or RF and I would probably list it. I think its nice to have a rotation of boards regardless. For all day typing use I am very happy with Ergo Clears and quiet Matias Alps. They actually feel pretty similar at speed.
Ergos? I find them to be highly tactile feeling but light. The bump is big and noticeable unlike Browns, but with the light springs they are easy to type on. I havent lubed mine yet and plan on trying that in the near future. I hear it makes a nice difference on Ergos but I dont mind the way they are now.
Only thing you may not like is that I cant seem to not bottom out on them. I can not bottom out on my Matias Alps somewhat easily and I can not bottom on my QFR Reds if I just lightly bounce around the keyboard. The Ergos, even with the big bump I just seem to blow through the rest of the travel and bottom. I really dont mind bottoming out with them and its not a harsh or heavy bottoming out.
I would agree that the keyboard doesn't make a very big difference in speed...For the most part a given person will type very close to the same speed on any given keyboard. There might be some changes for each individual given their preferences, style etc....but given a reasonable time to adjust, most people will probably find each keyboard to be very similar result wise or within a relatively tight range.
BUT, some people will just enjoy using other switches/keyboards more than others. Their enjoyment of using the keyboard will be greatly enhanced when using something they like more than others..and even if it is possible they type faster on another type of switch, enjoyment is huge.
There are tons of users that will type slightly faster on say, browns than they do on their favorite reds..but they don't like using browns..they like reds. So that extra few WPM is meaningless because frankly, maxing out your WPM is not a major factor for most people...Or why get Topre over a normal Rubber dome or even Cherry MX over RD if you type the same speed? It is simply because you enjoy using them more..they feel better...the experience is enhanced...It isn't an output or objectively 'better' keyboard..it is purely the enjoyment of using it.
I didn't think you disagreed with me at all. In fact, pretty sure you said something to the same extent (even though your race car engine thing shows how little you know about car racing). I'm just adding another bit to the conversation.
I'm sorry the truth hurts dude. But going back to the car racing thing...The engine isn't the determining factor in which car wins a race. I'm sure there are times it would be but it never really is.Indeed.
I am glad we agree though..that really the main component in typing fast is the user..it isn't the keyboard...