He is probably speaking of 0.1 second between taps. I am not sure how reliable that thing is though. Here is my attempt. (http://i.imgur.com/7Hzbe1r.png)
sigh..... more keyboard sorcery...
For double tap to be a problem... You would have to be able to lift off your finger "FASTER" than the key can recover to actuation position... WHICH is not really possible without whipping your whole arm upwards..
For those who are complaining about double tapping on a tactile switch/ mx blue, it is usually because they are responding to the tactile mechanism and NOT consciously making the double tap, they're reactively making the "second" tap, NOT double tapping...
Double tapping is, I'm gonna hit this key twice..
Reactively second-tapping is... I'm gonna hit this key, wait for some sort of response, then press this key again..
The latter IF (incomplete) is a failure of the user to detect and respond.. NOT the keyboard's issue.. The keyboard's response and rate is a Constant...
sigh..... more keyboard sorcery...
For double tap to be a problem... You would have to be able to lift off your finger "FASTER" than the key can recover to actuation position... WHICH is not really possible without whipping your whole arm upwards..
For those who are complaining about double tapping on a tactile switch/ mx blue, it is usually because they are responding to the tactile mechanism and NOT consciously making the double tap, they're reactively making the "second" tap, NOT double tapping...
Double tapping is, I'm gonna hit this key twice..
Reactively second-tapping is... I'm gonna hit this key, wait for some sort of response, then press this key again..
The latter IF (incomplete) is a failure of the user to detect and respond.. NOT the keyboard's issue.. The keyboard's response and rate is a Constant...
sigh..... more keyboard sorcery...
For double tap to be a problem... You would have to be able to lift off your finger "FASTER" than the key can recover to actuation position... WHICH is not really possible without whipping your whole arm upwards..
For those who are complaining about double tapping on a tactile switch/ mx blue, it is usually because they are responding to the tactile mechanism and NOT consciously making the double tap, they're reactively making the "second" tap, NOT double tapping...
Double tapping is, I'm gonna hit this key twice..
Reactively second-tapping is... I'm gonna hit this key, wait for some sort of response, then press this key again..
The latter IF (incomplete) is a failure of the user to detect and respond.. NOT the keyboard's issue.. The keyboard's response and rate is a Constant...
In the case of blues, though, where the actuation point is below the reset point, sometimes you try to double tap by only going up to the actuation point (which doesn't reset the switch). It doesn't bother me, but I've heard that some people don't like this/find this hard to navigate.
If you're spamming the switch and not floating around the actuation point, though, what you said is exactly correct.
sigh..... more keyboard sorcery...
For double tap to be a problem... You would have to be able to lift off your finger "FASTER" than the key can recover to actuation position... WHICH is not really possible without whipping your whole arm upwards..
For those who are complaining about double tapping on a tactile switch/ mx blue, it is usually because they are responding to the tactile mechanism and NOT consciously making the double tap, they're reactively making the "second" tap, NOT double tapping...
Double tapping is, I'm gonna hit this key twice..
Reactively second-tapping is... I'm gonna hit this key, wait for some sort of response, then press this key again..
The latter IF (incomplete) is a failure of the user to detect and respond.. NOT the keyboard's issue.. The keyboard's response and rate is a Constant...
In the case of blues, though, where the actuation point is below the reset point, sometimes you try to double tap by only going up to the actuation point (which doesn't reset the switch). It doesn't bother me, but I've heard that some people don't like this/find this hard to navigate.
If you're spamming the switch and not floating around the actuation point, though, what you said is exactly correct.
sigh..... more keyboard sorcery...
For double tap to be a problem... You would have to be able to lift off your finger "FASTER" than the key can recover to actuation position... WHICH is not really possible without whipping your whole arm upwards..
For those who are complaining about double tapping on a tactile switch/ mx blue, it is usually because they are responding to the tactile mechanism and NOT consciously making the double tap, they're reactively making the "second" tap, NOT double tapping...
Double tapping is, I'm gonna hit this key twice..
Reactively second-tapping is... I'm gonna hit this key, wait for some sort of response, then press this key again..
The latter IF (incomplete) is a failure of the user to detect and respond.. NOT the keyboard's issue.. The keyboard's response and rate is a Constant...
In the case of blues, though, where the actuation point is below the reset point, sometimes you try to double tap by only going up to the actuation point (which doesn't reset the switch). It doesn't bother me, but I've heard that some people don't like this/find this hard to navigate.
If you're spamming the switch and not floating around the actuation point, though, what you said is exactly correct.
Yeah, the problem isn't the speed of double clicking with MX Blues. It's the lack of tactility and click upon successive actuations if the switch does not travel up beyond its reset point.
I've heard the whole "floating" thing going around... I used to think it was possible.. but after really getting into keyboards and making a serious attempt to increase my 130 wpm, I've found that floating thing to be impossible, and would most likely hinder performance.
The purpose of the mid-level actuation, is so that people do not form the psychological attachment to Press harder on a key to activate it, as it occurs with regular rubber dome..
The movement transcend the wasd cluster into all potential keys.. there is no way you can predict well in ahead your next key, and begin hovering there..
My point is.. HOVERing around the actuation point is NOT a real technique.. it's some random dream-up by some kiddies who don't understand the purpose of the 2mm actuation..
There's no need to be argumentative about it. It's simple physics. If you want the key to activate twice, the fastest way to do it is to press to actuation, then release to reset, then press to actuation. The fastest way to do that is with a linear switch as long as you have good feedback from the system or know the switches really well (you can judge it by the force or relying on experience). If you're not used to where the actuation point is, a tactile (non-clicky) will be faster for you since you don't have to "guess" where the actuation or reset is. Clicky will be slowest, due to having to move the most between each change in state.
I hover when using movement keys in some situations where I need to change my position rapidly, so it's NOT "some random dreamup". Double tap is the same as hover, you know where the actuation point is and hover around that point (down, up, down).
You may not be sensitive enough to feel it, or unable to hover properly, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I agree that MX switches weren't design with 2mm actuation to enable hovering, but it does make it possible.
That's absolutely not true..
Tap as fast as you can and lift your finger up 10cm off the table (this is an exaggeration).
Tap as fast as you can barely lifting your finger. Which is faster?
That's absolutely not true..
Tap as fast as you can and lift your finger up 10cm off the table (this is an exaggeration).
Tap as fast as you can barely lifting your finger. Which is faster?
my point is,, if you inserted the limiting step of HOVERING at 2mm.. that will slow it down
This is not to say if you lifted your hand to approach infinite height, it will be slower..<-- completely different scenario.... NOT what I'm trying to convey.
Ok, maybe a dumb question here, but how are you measuring key taps with that?
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There's no need to be argumentative about it. It's simple physics. If you want the key to activate twice, the fastest way to do it is to press to actuation, then release to reset, then press to actuation. The fastest way to do that is with a linear switch as long as you have good feedback from the system or know the switches really well (you can judge it by the force or relying on experience). If you're not used to where the actuation point is, a tactile (non-clicky) will be faster for you since you don't have to "guess" where the actuation or reset is. Clicky will be slowest, due to having to move the most between each change in state.
I hover when using movement keys in some situations where I need to change my position rapidly, so it's NOT "some random dreamup". Double tap is the same as hover, you know where the actuation point is and hover around that point (down, up, down).
You may not be sensitive enough to feel it, or unable to hover properly, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I agree that MX switches weren't design with 2mm actuation to enable hovering, but it does make it possible.
Ducky DK9008G2 PRO Dark Grey Version PBT Mechanical Keyboard (Green Cherry MX)
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i'm not sure if i should risk getting greens. i measured the force on my current keyboard at ~55g. i'm not a great touch typist and i think i type pretty forcefully. i'm just unsure if i would like something that required 1.5x more force then my current keyboard. even if it is smoother and i don't have to bottom out. when i used blues they felt really light which is the only reason i would consider greens and why browns make me a little nervous.
Why not look at Clears then? To get over the tactile bump is around 65g ..it then drops when you actuate and then ramps up quickly but at that point you've already actuated the switch so you can stop pressing down...
It'll be heavier than blues but not hugely so...it'll have a tactile bump (if that is what you want), it won't be too loud..and some people find it easier to not bottom out or lightly bottom out because the force needed to bottom out ramps up so quickly after actuation..
Why not look at Clears then? To get over the tactile bump is around 65g ..it then drops when you actuate and then ramps up quickly but at that point you've already actuated the switch so you can stop pressing down...
It'll be heavier than blues but not hugely so...it'll have a tactile bump (if that is what you want), it won't be too loud..and some people find it easier to not bottom out or lightly bottom out because the force needed to bottom out ramps up so quickly after actuation..
where can i find a keyboard with clears and PBT keycaps or LED's? mechanicalkeyboards.com and amazon don't have a single keyboard with clears and tigerimports well that site sucks to use so i might have missed one. how can mechanicalkeyboards and tigerimports be the same company? mk has the best advanced search and tigerimports is a complete disaster. it reminds me of trying to find stuff on amazon, ncix or tigerdirect compared to newegg.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Rowdy is making a good point. It's really typing that I had problems. When typing I thought I had made a mistake when I hadn't. For gaming this could almost be an advantage. 1 click and still able to double tap. I don't remember having issues gaming with blues.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Rowdy is making a good point. It's really typing that I had problems. When typing I thought I had made a mistake when I hadn't. For gaming this could almost be an advantage. 1 click and still able to double tap. I don't remember having issues gaming with blues.
just cuz you suck at typing.. doesn't say anything about the "double-tap" capacity of the switch..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Then you don't double tap fast enough, or as fast as others. Blues are not good for fast double tapping, period.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Rowdy is making a good point. It's really typing that I had problems. When typing I thought I had made a mistake when I hadn't. For gaming this could almost be an advantage. 1 click and still able to double tap. I don't remember having issues gaming with blues.
just cuz you suck at typing.. doesn't say anything about the "double-tap" capacity of the switch..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)
haha, only suck with blues. i rock out on the browns. :)
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Rowdy is making a good point. It's really typing that I had problems. When typing I thought I had made a mistake when I hadn't. For gaming this could almost be an advantage. 1 click and still able to double tap. I don't remember having issues gaming with blues.
just cuz you suck at typing.. doesn't say anything about the "double-tap" capacity of the switch..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)
haha, only suck with blues. i rock out on the browns. :)
how proficient are you on the browns in WPM.Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/g/a/gameaddictplz.gif?1)
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Rowdy is making a good point. It's really typing that I had problems. When typing I thought I had made a mistake when I hadn't. For gaming this could almost be an advantage. 1 click and still able to double tap. I don't remember having issues gaming with blues.
just cuz you suck at typing.. doesn't say anything about the "double-tap" capacity of the switch..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)
haha, only suck with blues. i rock out on the browns. :)
how proficient are you on the browns in WPM.Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/g/a/gameaddictplz.gif?1)
I tried last night and apparently have 65 wpm. I felt slow though because my hands were cold. It was -38*C here last night and I don't heat my office because of the location of the heater and a wooden shelving unit.
Warmed up I would probably top out at about 75 wpm.
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Rowdy is making a good point. It's really typing that I had problems. When typing I thought I had made a mistake when I hadn't. For gaming this could almost be an advantage. 1 click and still able to double tap. I don't remember having issues gaming with blues.
just cuz you suck at typing.. doesn't say anything about the "double-tap" capacity of the switch..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/70bff581.gif)
haha, only suck with blues. i rock out on the browns. :)
how proficient are you on the browns in WPM.Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/g/a/gameaddictplz.gif?1)
I tried last night and apparently have 65 wpm. I felt slow though because my hands were cold. It was -38*C here last night and I don't heat my office because of the location of the heater and a wooden shelving unit.
Warmed up I would probably top out at about 75 wpm.
-38*C? Where are you located? Antarctica?
Blues are just not good for double tapping, no need for so many words.
Depends on a number of factors. I have not had any problems double-tapping on blues or greens while playing games.
Then you don't double tap fast enough, or as fast as others. Blues are not good for fast double tapping, period.
When you say 'double tap' is that one click or two?