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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: jgrade on Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:31:36

Title: phantom compatible switches
Post by: jgrade on Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:31:36: Hi,

Does anyone know if the Futaba Switches are compatible with the Phantom PCB?
I have this switches http://deskthority.net/wiki/Futaba_clicky_switch (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Futaba_clicky_switch) that i got from a Samsung 1010ds keyboard.
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: damorgue on Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:51:40: Quote from: jgrade on Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:31:36
Hi,

Does anyone know if the Futaba Switches are compatible with the Phantom PCB?
I have this switches http://deskthority.net/wiki/Futaba_clicky_switch (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Futaba_clicky_switch) that i got from a Samsung 1010ds keyboard.

Nope, they are not compatible with that PCB. If you take a look at the pins of MX switches you will notice that they are offset in both X and Y whereas Futaba have their pins at the edges.
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: jgrade on Tue, 04 February 2014, 12:04:55: Quote from: damorgue on Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:51:40
Quote from: jgrade on Tue, 04 February 2014, 11:31:36
Hi,

Does anyone know if the Futaba Switches are compatible with the Phantom PCB?
I have this switches http://deskthority.net/wiki/Futaba_clicky_switch (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Futaba_clicky_switch) that i got from a Samsung 1010ds keyboard.

Nope, they are not compatible with that PCB. If you take a look at the pins of MX switches you will notice that they are offset in both X and Y whereas Futaba have their pins at the edges.

thanks
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 04 February 2014, 12:54:56: Only Cherry MX (an clones of MX) will work on ErgoDox.

Someone discovered that you could sort of fit Alps switches on the PCB, but you would have to design and make a new plate and case because 1) Alps have different dimensions than Cherry, and 2) the switches wouldn't be centred on the old switch positions.
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: demik on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:03:22: Nobody mentioned ergodox.
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:08:09: Quote from: demik on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:03:22
Nobody mentioned ergodox.

That never stops TP4 :D
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:38:52: Quote from: demik on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:03:22
Nobody mentioned ergodox.
True dat.. *smacks forehead*.
Too little sleep... or too much.

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 04 February 2014, 13:08:09
That never stops TP4 :D
Or the Topre fanboys ...
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: MJ45 on Tue, 04 February 2014, 14:22:50: Why would one want to use Futaba switches anyway?
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: jgrade on Tue, 04 February 2014, 14:28:34: Quote from: MJ45 on Tue, 04 February 2014, 14:22:50
Why would one want to use Futaba switches anyway?

because i have them laying around
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: strict on Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:24:47: Quote from: MJ45 on Tue, 04 February 2014, 14:22:50
Why would one want to use Futaba switches anyway?

This was my first thought when I read the OP. I got a board with Futaba switches for free a few weeks ago and just threw it away. :(
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 04 February 2014, 21:32:27: Quote from: strict on Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:24:47
Quote from: MJ45 on Tue, 04 February 2014, 14:22:50
Why would one want to use Futaba switches anyway?

This was my first thought when I read the OP. I got a board with Futaba switches for free a few weeks ago and just threw it away. :(

Complicated futaba vintage linears are quite nice. I'd love to use them on a phantom board. Sadly, they will not work.
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: strict on Tue, 04 February 2014, 22:03:44: Quote from: dorkvader on Tue, 04 February 2014, 21:32:27
Quote from: strict on Tue, 04 February 2014, 19:24:47
Quote from: MJ45 on Tue, 04 February 2014, 14:22:50
Why would one want to use Futaba switches anyway?

This was my first thought when I read the OP. I got a board with Futaba switches for free a few weeks ago and just threw it away. :(

Complicated futaba vintage linears are quite nice. I'd love to use them on a phantom board. Sadly, they will not work.

I would be interested to try Linear Futaba switches. The ones on the keyboard I mentioned were clicky tactile switches, but they only clicked on switch return. Essentially the total opposite of Cherry blues. It was very awkward feeling. Coupled with some nasty grime and discoloration I deemed it not worth my while.
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: jgrade on Wed, 05 February 2014, 04:05:30: the futaba switches are faceplate mounted (i think) what if i just connect the switches to the phantom with wire? are the switches going to be too louse?
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: Proc31 on Wed, 05 February 2014, 10:07:06: Quote from: jgrade on Wed, 05 February 2014, 04:05:30
the futaba switches are faceplate mounted (i think) what if i just connect the switches to the phantom with wire? are the switches going to be too louse?

If you want to wire every single switch by hand why even bother with the PCB?
Title: Re: phantom compatible switches
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 05 February 2014, 10:26:28: Quote from: Proc31 on Wed, 05 February 2014, 10:07:06
Quote from: jgrade on Wed, 05 February 2014, 04:05:30
the futaba switches are faceplate mounted (i think) what if i just connect the switches to the phantom with wire? are the switches going to be too louse?

If you want to wire every single switch by hand why even bother with the PCB?

True. Wire them in a matrix to a teensy. There are guides here for that.