Hm, maybe an odd layout Beam Spring board?
Really I just want to marvel at this IBM collection. I now know that the IBM land is apparently in Georgia :P.
Welcome to GeekHack. I'm sure all the IBMHeads will love your pictures :D.
Wow that is awesome, welcome to geekhack! :)
RIP DavidB's inbox ;)Wow that is awesome, welcome to geekhack! :)
I think DavidB is going to be everyone's favourite friend here from now on 8) . Welcome to Geekhack Central.
HOLY CRAP
Gimme one of those.... ;-)
They are in my warehouse. If I had a few hundred keyboards on shelves at my house I would at least know what I had :) and I probably wouldn't have a wife anymore...
Hm, maybe an odd layout Beam Spring board?
Really I just want to marvel at this IBM collection. I now know that the IBM land is apparently in Georgia :P.
Welcome to GeekHack. I'm sure all the IBMHeads will love your pictures :D.
Hm, maybe an odd layout Beam Spring board?
Really I just want to marvel at this IBM collection. I now know that the IBM land is apparently in Georgia :P.
Welcome to GeekHack. I'm sure all the IBMHeads will love your pictures :D.
All beam springs are odd layouts.
That is most definitely a beam spring KB for an IBM 3278 terminal (the 3275/3277 KBs are much larger on the top: here's a picture (http://webwit.nl/input/ibm_beam_spring/rojon/2.jpg)). Made in Canada in the late 1970's. Now usable on USB with Xwhatsit's controller.
I think its 3278: doublechecking now. It's the 3270 layout and size.
First image upper right. square label IBM model M 1390120. Front left appears to be an IBM 122-key model F (check for the black bottom pan) 611034* or 6110668 Those are worth money. There is one upside down on the "a10D" shelf that you can clearly see. Two more on the "a8F' shelf
I also see (on the 42H0468 shelf) a "model C" keyboard. This uses "model F" technology, but is not desireable (horrid layout, etc.) still they are nice keyboards. Two more on the left in the picture preceding "question 1".
Lots and lots of 1390120 keyboards. These aren't as sought after as the F 122 key, but are very nice and currently in demand.
Lots of 122-key model M keyboards. These are some what common and less in demand, but still very nice.
The cheapest KBs are probably the terminal Ms. the + ont eh tenkey (numberpad) is split and they have a modular connector you can see one as the second from the left KB ont eh a10c shelf.
Lots of POS kbs: rubberdomes, not very nice to type on, no-one wants them. You have some examples on the a9b shelf.
Yellow kb above the 25f6350 tag appears to be an NMB terminal board: not too nice. The one next to it seems familliar: I will ahve to see better pictures :P
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My recommendation:
sort them by generation. The normal size M's by label (square is the oldest, then beige oval then blue oval) Sort out the F122's and other model F's. Throw away the cheap POS stuff.
If you ahve any questions about a specific model, please ask here.
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edit: you live very close to another GH'er who knows a lot about IBM model F keyboards. Perhaps invite him over and chat! :p
I can probably identify most (or all) of those IBM boards you have as well as give some info and history, features, desirability, etc if you want.
Just ask away!
Welcome to Geekhack!
The question everyone's minds: are you likely to sell any of these?
Probably followed by: Any SSK in there?
;)
oh dear gawd.
i'm not sure if this has veen done before, but if the OP and IBM buffs are interested, this might be a really good time to make an IBM/retro board wiki.
i'm only guessing that's not everything and that the full collection should fill up quite a large amount of the list of all models ever.
LOL.
Crazy response after 30 minutes - I'll keep snapping pics and updating you all as I go through all of them.
I am definitely going to need help with some of this, and I'm very happy that this community exists!
oh dear gawd.
i'm not sure if this has veen done before, but if the OP and IBM buffs are interested, this might be a really good time to make an IBM/retro board wiki.
i'm only guessing that's not everything and that the full collection should fill up quite a large amount of the list of all models ever.
I think that the Deskthority (http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Enhanced_Keyboard#Noteworthy_Part_Numbers) and Wikipedia entries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M#Features_by_part_number) are a great start and a good place to add information. Probably the DT wiki more so.
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Is that an owners manual conveniently hidden underneath that board?
I am super curious as to what we might learn from reading it...
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Pulled a couple that I thought were interesting.#1 is a model F with APL keycaps: worth serious cash to some.
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next: odd looking keyboard with a switch on it - anyone got info?Show Image(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t557/dbo35/DSC_0200_zps5ae02888.jpg)Show Image(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t557/dbo35/DSC_0202_zpsca40df4e.jpg)Show Image(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t557/dbo35/DSC_0201_zps4d8f7aab.jpg)
I, for one, am interested in a terminal emulator KB keycaps. You can see them on the KB in this link (http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/ibm_1397000.html).
Most of your KBs looks to be older than that though. If you do see one, I'd be interested.
oh dear gawd.
i'm not sure if this has veen done before, but if the OP and IBM buffs are interested, this might be a really good time to make an IBM/retro board wiki.
i'm only guessing that's not everything and that the full collection should fill up quite a large amount of the list of all models ever.
by wiki, i'm really just referring to the quantity of information (a wiki's worth of ibm stuff vs a page of ibm stuff).
definitely would be best to merge it with current keyboard wikis.
I think that the Deskthority (http://deskthority.net/wiki/IBM_Enhanced_Keyboard#Noteworthy_Part_Numbers) and Wikipedia entries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_M#Features_by_part_number) are a great start and a good place to add information. Probably the DT wiki more so.
tbc, I think you severely underestimate the number of different keyboard models that IBM manufactured, and overestimate the variety shown in the photos. And I agree with CPTBadAss that any new information should be added to existing sources, rather than fragmenting the data further.
#1 is a model F with APL keycaps: worth serious cash to some.
#2 is a "model C" keyboard. The manual is inside it. I have a manual as well. Yours is the "model C4". I have a model C1 keyboard.
Both use model F switch technology.
Sadly I was already aware of the 1385167 model number, and they aren't generally available or I'd have one already.
Until I get a scanner, these are the best pictures of the manual you'll get:
http://imgur.com/a/Qe41v
How should I go about cleaning these boards up? Is there anything that can be easily messed up? What should I watch out for besides brittle plastic?
How should I go about cleaning these boards up? Is there anything that can be easily messed up? What should I watch out for besides brittle plastic?
I highly suggest you watch phosphorglow's video (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54190.0). I think it will answer a lot of your questions.
Who's to say that he's going to sell any of them?
I'd like an SSK, but shipping would kill that idea.
Welcome to Geekhack!
The question everyone's minds: are you likely to sell any of these?
Probably followed by: Any SSK in there?
;)
I have no intention of holding onto most of these.
Who's to say that he's going to sell any of them?
I'd like an SSK, but shipping would kill that idea.Welcome to Geekhack!
The question everyone's minds: are you likely to sell any of these?
Probably followed by: Any SSK in there?
;)
I have no intention of holding onto most of these.
So, how about some backstory? How did you come about to have this massive collection?
1387033 - this is rare right?
1387033 - this is rare right?
Yeah, there's a few versions of the unsaver - that's one (in fact the only 'known' one) of the easily adaptable ones at the moment, so it's rather desirable.I havent seen one, but the 1387032 should exist and be compatible. I suspect 138703* is the naming convention, though I've only ever seen the *3 and *2 offered online.
as far as SSK - I don't know. I'll try to go through some stuff tomorrow and update.
Every once in a while, someone catches a coelacanth, and it's nice to take some pictures before eating it.
1387033 - this is rare right?
As a rough guide, all 101-key Model Ms with the three status LEDs up in the top right are basically the same. Older ones with the square silver badge at the upper right are the most desirable, ones with the rounded badge with black text at the upper left are next, and ones with the rounded badge with blue text are the least desirable. That said, the condition of the keyboard often has a larger effect on price than the badge.
As a rough guide, all 101-key Model Ms with the three status LEDs up in the top right are basically the same. Older ones with the square silver badge at the upper right are the most desirable, ones with the rounded badge with black text at the upper left are next, and ones with the rounded badge with blue text are the least desirable. That said, the condition of the keyboard often has a larger effect on price than the badge.
Important addendum here. I see a shelf of 71G4646, which are rubber dome M's (as are all 71Gxxxx models afaik).
Worth less than standard buckling spring M's, but they're decent RD keyboards I suppose.
As a rough guide, all 101-key Model Ms with the three status LEDs up in the top right are basically the same. Older ones with the square silver badge at the upper right are the most desirable, ones with the rounded badge with black text at the upper left are next, and ones with the rounded badge with blue text are the least desirable. That said, the condition of the keyboard often has a larger effect on price than the badge.
Important addendum here. I see a shelf of 71G4646, which are rubber dome M's (as are all 71Gxxxx models afaik).
Worth less than standard buckling spring M's, but they're decent RD keyboards I suppose.
I recently discovered that you can convert that to a buckling spring keyboard, just need to find a full set of buckling spring keycaps and get yoself some springs. Everything else is the same.
As a rough guide, all 101-key Model Ms with the three status LEDs up in the top right are basically the same. Older ones with the square silver badge at the upper right are the most desirable, ones with the rounded badge with black text at the upper left are next, and ones with the rounded badge with blue text are the least desirable. That said, the condition of the keyboard often has a larger effect on price than the badge.
Important addendum here. I see a shelf of 71G4646, which are rubber dome M's (as are all 71Gxxxx models afaik).
Worth less than standard buckling spring M's, but they're decent RD keyboards I suppose.
I recently discovered that you can convert that to a buckling spring keyboard, just need to find a full set of buckling spring keycaps and get yoself some springs. Everything else is the same.
I would love to see a write up on this mod.
We're diverting the thread a bit, it's just like any other bolt mod for a Model M. I have not completed it yet, but I'm assuming it will work.
We're diverting the thread a bit, it's just like any other bolt mod for a Model M. I have not completed it yet, but I'm assuming it will work.
As I recall, the keys are different because there is plastic in the way where springs are supposed to be. The first one of those I bought, I figured that it was worth the $10 for the keys alone, but I don't think anything really matches except the case and maybe the barrel plate.
Please take photos, I never did, and now I have trouble remembering what all the parts looked like inside.
As a rough guide, all 101-key Model Ms with the three status LEDs up in the top right are basically the same. Older ones with the square silver badge at the upper right are the most desirable, ones with the rounded badge with black text at the upper left are next, and ones with the rounded badge with blue text are the least desirable. That said, the condition of the keyboard often has a larger effect on price than the badge.
Important addendum here. I see a shelf of 71G4646, which are rubber dome M's (as are all 71Gxxxx models afaik).
Worth less than standard buckling spring M's, but they're decent RD keyboards I suppose.
I recently discovered that you can convert that to a buckling spring keyboard, just need to find a full set of buckling spring keycaps and get yoself some springs. Everything else is the same.
Is this 1389732 another version of the Unsaver, similar to the 1387033? I am a bit confused on the part numbers we are throwing around.
Any updates? :DNah, topicstarter haven't been online for three days. Either he's busy, or he'd been mugged for his stash :)
Any updates? :D