Check your dip switch settings for the LED
And when they do, brian takes the red esc out ;)
plastic + heat + local temps + age of equipment (not counting everything an actual engineer would know of)
**** happens.
it's going to take ALOT of work every keycap perfectly straight.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zdOUeJP.jpg)
If you're going to be that picky about the "T", then I would suggest not looking too closely at the "F", the "G", and the "H" (not to mention the "C"), as they're all just as skewed.
But..what about Cherry? I've never seen crooked keys on MX switches.
.plastic + heat + local temps + age of equipment (not counting everything an actual engineer would know of)
**** happens.
it's going to take ALOT of work every keycap perfectly straight.
But..what about Cherry? I've never seen crooked keys on MX switches.
****. Now I'll begin to look for crooked swithces on all my Cherry boards ;D
But I'll probably won't find any ;)
I seriously couldn't even tell anything was wrong in the picture you posted. If I worked QC somewhere and saw that I would pass it. I think you just have wildly unrealistic expectations.
I seriously couldn't even tell anything was wrong in the picture you posted. If I worked QC somewhere and saw that I would pass it. I think you just have wildly unrealistic expectations.
Things like that are immediately noticeable to me. Fortunately, they don't bother me much.I seriously couldn't even tell anything was wrong in the picture you posted. If I worked QC somewhere and saw that I would pass it. I think you just have wildly unrealistic expectations.
Just because someone has a higher attention to detail than you doesn't mean they have unrealistic expectations. It's pretty obvious to me as well.
You can see that the Y is tilted slightly to the right and the H quite a bit to the left on this HHKB. Look at the difference in spacing between H and J on the bottom compared to the top.Show Image(http://imgur.com/4rtKq8N.jpg)
Ah, and it is! Such a community has sprung up here, there is quite the diversity. It seems everyone's opinion is different!I seriously couldn't even tell anything was wrong in the picture you posted. If I worked QC somewhere and saw that I would pass it. I think you just have wildly unrealistic expectations.
Wildly unrealistic expectations? Scrolling down would reveal since the Insert LED wasn't broken, I said it's not a big deal.
Nevertheless, last I checked, GH was a place for keyboard enthusiasts and people who are a bit over the top about their keyboards. I created a thread to start a discussion, not to be judged which some of these replies seem to be insinuating (along with selective reading).
This is all without mentioning the keyboard was over $220 and I will continue going through life expecting to get what I paid for.
"What you pay for" is completely subjective. I've dropped more money than I care to admit on keyboards (including quite a few Topre boards), and none of the pictures in this thread qualify as "low quality", in my experience and opinion. That's probably different than somebody else's.
Key switches, whether Cherry MX, Alps, or Topre, have moving parts, and therefore there are certain tolerances that they need to have in order for the pieces to move. Take any key switch, gently rotate the cap, and you'll see that pretty much every key on every mechanical board you own will have a certain amount of rotational play. That doesn't mean that it's low quality. It just means that the level of precision manufacturing required to completely eliminate that would be much, much, much more expensive than just $220.
PS: Whenever you express a strong opinion, be prepared for others to do the same in response ;)
Things like that are immediately noticeable to me. Fortunately, they don't bother me much.I seriously couldn't even tell anything was wrong in the picture you posted. If I worked QC somewhere and saw that I would pass it. I think you just have wildly unrealistic expectations.
Just because someone has a higher attention to detail than you doesn't mean they have unrealistic expectations. It's pretty obvious to me as well.
You can see that the Y is tilted slightly to the right and the H quite a bit to the left on this HHKB. Look at the difference in spacing between H and J on the bottom compared to the top.Show Image(http://imgur.com/4rtKq8N.jpg)Ah, and it is! Such a community has sprung up here, there is quite the diversity. It seems everyone's opinion is different!I seriously couldn't even tell anything was wrong in the picture you posted. If I worked QC somewhere and saw that I would pass it. I think you just have wildly unrealistic expectations.
Wildly unrealistic expectations? Scrolling down would reveal since the Insert LED wasn't broken, I said it's not a big deal.
Nevertheless, last I checked, GH was a place for keyboard enthusiasts and people who are a bit over the top about their keyboards. I created a thread to start a discussion, not to be judged which some of these replies seem to be insinuating (along with selective reading).
This is all without mentioning the keyboard was over $220 and I will continue going through life expecting to get what I paid for.
I think the price doesn't matter. In things like this, in order to correct such flaws, you would have to do some seriously expensive things. Perhaps if the price were $10,000 / keyboard or more then a company could afford to hand inspect every aspect of the process and afford computerized plastic cooling algorithms and dynamic moulding processes. Machining them by hand individually out of plastic might work.
Anyway, I think if you twist the key, you will see that while the "resting position" of that key is not in the same spot as the ones near it, it is within the boundaries. I would call that keyboard within spec and happily type on it (and I have!) but i'm not really that picky about such things.
What matters to me more is the internal design and construction. The principles of operation and how they are implemented. The functional aesthetics take significant precedence over non-functional aesthetic aspects.
"What you pay for" is completely subjective. I've dropped more money than I care to admit on keyboards (including quite a few Topre boards), and none of the pictures in this thread qualify as "low quality", in my experience and opinion. That's probably different than somebody else's.
Key switches, whether Cherry MX, Alps, or Topre, have moving parts, and therefore there are certain tolerances that they need to have in order for the pieces to move. Take any key switch, gently rotate the cap, and you'll see that pretty much every key on every mechanical board you own will have a certain amount of rotational play. That doesn't mean that it's low quality. It just means that the level of precision manufacturing required to completely eliminate that would be much, much, much more expensive than just $220.
PS: Whenever you express a strong opinion, be prepared for others to do the same in response ;)
I don't think he referred to it as being low quality - I certainly didn't.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.This pretty much sums it up as well.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.This pretty much sums it up as well.
Hmm. I think many people see exactly what you're talking about, but realize it's to be expected, even for a $200 item.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.This pretty much sums it up as well.
Hmm. I think many people see exactly what you're talking about, but realize it's to be expected, even for a $200 item.
Yeah, at first I thought, that can't really be what he's talking about because it is so minor and so common...For the price point this is at, it is unrealistic to expect every single thing will be absolutely perfect. There has to be a level of tolerance or it would just be exceedingly expensive to make....
You want to see a crooked key that can come on a keyboard...google Osmium Crooked Key.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.This pretty much sums it up as well.
Hmm. I think many people see exactly what you're talking about, but realize it's to be expected, even for a $200 item.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.This pretty much sums it up as well.
Hmm. I think many people see exactly what you're talking about, but realize it's to be expected, even for a $200 item.
Yeah, at first I thought, that can't really be what he's talking about because it is so minor and so common...For the price point this is at, it is unrealistic to expect every single thing will be absolutely perfect. There has to be a level of tolerance or it would just be exceedingly expensive to make....
You want to see a crooked key that can come on a keyboard...google Osmium Crooked Key.
It's just that when paying such a premium price for a keyboard, some people expect every aspect to be perfect. Obviously it doesn't affect the keyboard's usability, but as evidenced in this thread, some people have a keener eye than others.This pretty much sums it up as well.
Hmm. I think many people see exactly what you're talking about, but realize it's to be expected, even for a $200 item.
Yeah, at first I thought, that can't really be what he's talking about because it is so minor and so common...For the price point this is at, it is unrealistic to expect every single thing will be absolutely perfect. There has to be a level of tolerance or it would just be exceedingly expensive to make....
You want to see a crooked key that can come on a keyboard...google Osmium Crooked Key.
I remember reading that the sliders of the Type-S were slightly modified to help resolve this issue. Is this exceedingly expensive process change the reason for the higher price of the Type-S?
Believe me, I love my HHKB and the fact that some of the keys are a little crooked doesn't really bother me. But I don't believe this magical level of superior precision manufacturing that you speak of is unattainable.
I'd just like to add to this because I agree. I think people are making it seem likeI think because so many people told you they had the same minor issues that you realized that was to be expected. Based on your response to other people's responses I'd say you probably expected it to be absolutely perfect.mythe perceived expectations are ridiculous. Once again, it does not bother me as much as I guess I made it seem. Truly, it doesn't. But I don't think expecting a key or switch to be straight is so mind blowing.
... some people have a keener eye than others.
... some people have a keener eye than others.
That's not very nice. I don't think it's a matter of a "keener" eye at all. It's not that we don't see it, it's that we differ on whether it's a QC issue at all.
... some people have a keener eye than others.
That's not very nice. I don't think it's a matter of a "keener" eye at all. It's not that we don't see it, it's that we differ on whether it's a QC issue at all.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was more referring to those who said they didn't see it.
... some people have a keener eye than others.
That's not very nice. I don't think it's a matter of a "keener" eye at all. It's not that we don't see it, it's that we differ on whether it's a QC issue at all.
... some people have a keener eye than others.
That's not very nice. I don't think it's a matter of a "keener" eye at all. It's not that we don't see it, it's that we differ on whether it's a QC issue at all.
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I was more referring to those who said they didn't see it.
I think pretty much everyone could see what you were pointing out, they (myself included) just didnt see it as something that was wrong or a problem. Like pretty much everyone else has repeated, to expect 0.0% variance on something as cheap as a $200 product is totally unrealistic. Even on $250,000 Ferrari's you are always going to have some variance. Just because some keyboards cost $5 doesn't mean a $200 keyboard is going to look like a Patek Philippe watch.
All good man. That's a great way of looking at it. Sorry if I came off as rude (I'll admit the face palm pic probably was a bit condescending).