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Title: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: bazh on Thu, 05 June 2014, 01:24:35
So I heard they promised to make keyboards on OCN, and today I find this photo

(http://i.imgur.com/fBzOWTp.jpg)

bottom row looks stupid to me though
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: ebacho on Thu, 05 June 2014, 01:26:30
bottom row looks stupid to me though

I think this is all that needs to be said.

Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 05 June 2014, 01:28:04
That built in wrist rest...  :-X
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: CK Briefs on Thu, 05 June 2014, 01:31:58
New keyboard players need to understand that nobody gives a crap for non-standard bottom row spacing and it just shoots themselves in the foot for longevity in the mechanical keyboard market.

Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: bazh on Thu, 05 June 2014, 01:46:18
but seriously, who needs that huge 1.5x Windows key? ._.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: exit on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:06:37
Despite the retarded layout, it's great to have more quality brands entering the mech market.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: SSIPAK on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:08:38
terrible mouse and now this? EVGA should just stick with making graphics card.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: feizor on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:09:42
What happened to the space bar?
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:11:12
EVGA should seriously stick to graphics cards. Their mobos are full of bugs, PSUs are meh, cases meh...
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:21:42
EVGA should seriously stick to graphics cards. Their mobos are full of bugs, PSUs are meh, cases meh...

^^This. They make decent graphics cards.. And that's it.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:23:18
It has a distinctly 90s 'designer' tech vibe. Looks ugly imo.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: bazh on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:30:34
their X58 mobos are great, after that, meh
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 05 June 2014, 02:36:29
their X58 mobos are great, after that, meh
True, that SR-2 workstation board was a beast, then everything went downhill with Z77 onwards. 
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: ceflame on Thu, 05 June 2014, 05:35:36
I'm actually wondering what the pricing would be for this keyboard..
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 05 June 2014, 05:43:05
What happened to the space bar?

Lack of self confidence and comfort foods.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Thu, 05 June 2014, 06:58:57
They actually make some pretty great PSU offerings (okay technically they're not making them... but they picked good ones to rebrand! Those supernovas are beast as fk, ask jonnyguru; yes, there was a production line problem, but they handled it satisfactorily, imo... only thing better is the prohibitively expensive antec platinum line, and that's not enough better to justify the price of antec HCP platinum over seasonic and... well i forgot the other one, but there was another really good brand, based on the same design and hardware, made by the same factory iirc, as seasonic and evga's supernovas... it might have been the top tier CM or TT...).

I agree, the evga mech keyboard pictured above, looks... well, it looks crap. People complained about the flashy neon orange on the g710+ (and look at all the orange and gray on GH...), but i never had a problem with it. That space bar looks absurd, and the rest of the board looks like it's trying to be the g710+. Weird extra keys near the arrow cluster... my mouse hand is too occupied to use arrow keys, and everyone hates "keyboard turners." Turning is why we have mice! (and for hyper-clickers like diablo...) L2strafe! (why is that not triggering spell check underline? lol... "L2strafe" is apparently a valid dictionary term :D).

That said, i actually do like the corsair k-series, at least for looks. Exposed plate design is nice.

I want to see a fully programmable, multi-layer, nkro, cherry RGB 60% w/ a tiny spacebar and all 1.25 mods. Could have like 3 more of them at least. When typing, i only need about 2 units worth of space bar. The rest is just in the way, pushing useful keys too far away to comfortably reach with my thumb, which requires an uncomfortable (and probably detrimental) wrist contortion, in order to access alt, and an immaculately manicured pinky-fingernail (to the quick), to reliably hit ctrl. And when not typing, but playing any game where space is used, my left thumb rests almost dead center of space bar, and could comfortably adjust further to the right.

Idk. I think the age of the excessive space bar should come to a natural conclusion, and we should populate the newly gained space with useful functions, or just generic triggers to map whatever we want. No need for giant space bar.

One thing i learned from the g710+: if you're going to add macro keys, go all out. A single column of macro keys "feels weird," and thus, i don't use mine as much as i would have liked. I currently use them for windows shortcuts, more than anything else. G1 = Mail, G2 = browser, G3 = calculator, and i've been thinking of putting Paint on G4 (for ease of printscreen/paste-into-paint... but i have a feeling there's an easier way i haven't found yet, mostly because it's just not that important). Another thing: my left hand is already doing more than enough in any game i play (and i haven't been gaming lately). Adding an extra column of macro keys just doesn't seem to work out very well in my case, though it has proven quite useful in certain situations. I think i'd be much more comfortable with it if i had 3 columns, like the k95 and non-mech logi g19 (or was that the g15...) That way, i could map everything to that bundle and not have to move my hand much at all. But MAN that thing is WIDE... and i think i'd prefer a 60% w/ an orbweaver (better yet, something non-Razer that doesn't require any cloud-interaction in order to function), or perhaps some other type of left hand input thing. Then again, i feel like i'm getting too old to care that much about competitive gaming. It's supposed to be fun, and as soon as it starts feeling like Work, i stop enjoying it... which means no need for excess peripherals! Maybe i should quit gaming and sell my rig, and replace it with something that uses almost no electricity... maybe a solar powered Rasp Pi with a touch screen, mounted atop/near/in/around a custom 60% case... or an intel mini. Or... meh, it's all such a hassle. Maybe i'll just not deal with it.

I wonder... does this keyboard qualify for EVGA's trade-up program? :P (are they still doing that?)
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 05 June 2014, 07:30:56
Personally, I think it's ugly.

Further, most people are accustomed to normal sized space bars. Unless you want to potentially alienate a segment of the market, it's not worth the risk, in my opinion. Although, I'd admit it's not uncommon for gaming keyboards to have shorter space bars.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: ferociousfingerings on Thu, 05 June 2014, 07:58:00
Personally, I think it's ugly.

Further, most people are accustomed to normal sized space bars. Unless you want to potentially alienate a segment of the market, it's not worth the risk, in my opinion. Although, I'd admit it's not uncommon for gaming keyboards to have shorter space bars.

Name 3 gaming keyboards with <4u space bars.

I've never seen a single one, unless you count the pure pro (and i'm pretty sure i saw a Japanese board with a tiny space bar, but i don't think it's classified as a "gaming keyboard" at all; it may have simply been the Japanese version of the pure pro...).
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 05 June 2014, 09:19:40
Personally, I think it's ugly.

Further, most people are accustomed to normal sized space bars. Unless you want to potentially alienate a segment of the market, it's not worth the risk, in my opinion. Although, I'd admit it's not uncommon for gaming keyboards to have shorter space bars.

Name 3 gaming keyboards with <4u space bars.

How did you come up with 4 units? The EVGA is at approx. 5.

Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 05 June 2014, 09:23:34
Don't take the highlighted quote out of context:

"[...] it's not uncommon for gaming keyboards to have shorter space bars" than the typical space bar on a PC, which measures approx. 6.25 units wide.

Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 05 June 2014, 09:26:20
They actually make some pretty great PSU offerings (okay technically they're not making them... but they picked good ones to rebrand! Those supernovas are beast as fk, ask jonnyguru; yes, there was a production line problem, but they handled it satisfactorily, imo... only thing better is the prohibitively expensive antec platinum line, and that's not enough better to justify the price of antec HCP platinum over seasonic and... well i forgot the other one, but there was another really good brand, based on the same design and hardware, made by the same factory iirc, as seasonic and evga's supernovas... it might have been the top tier CM or TT...).


I have had 2 PC Power and Cooling PSU's that have been going for a while.  One is the 510 from their old industrial line.  That PSU pushed a first gen i7 with a 280 GTX, 3 HDD's (two were raptors), 4 CCFL's, a dozen fans etc.  Have had that PSU for 7 years or so now and still going strong in the wifes rig with an i7 and a 460 GTX.  My current PSU is another PC Power and Cooling 950 Silencer.  Nothing but good things to say about that PSU as well.

(better yet, something non-Razer that doesn't require any cloud-interaction in order to function), or perhaps some other type of left hand input thing.


Single sided Ergo Dox.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 05 June 2014, 09:53:45
It's a pretty keyboard for people who like ugly keyboards!
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 05 June 2014, 10:35:51
It baffles me when a 'good' brand picks some heinous odm to make thing for them. They are shooting themselves in the face with this. It looks like a cheap tacky piece of **** and I am sure it will not help them regain any of their lost brand prestige. They seem to be keen to make the mistake that far too many other pc part companies have made and over diversify. When that happens and they are using random 3rd party manufacturers they end up with junk products that do nothing more than harm the brand.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: digi on Thu, 05 June 2014, 10:37:09
It baffles me when a 'good' brand picks some heinous odm to make thing for them. They are shooting themselves in the face with this. It looks like a cheap tacky piece of **** and I am sure it will not help them regain any of their lost brand prestige. They seem to be keen to make the mistake that far too many other pc part companies have made and over diversify.

my thoughts exactly. I'm a huge evga fan, that board is atrocious.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: epzy on Thu, 05 June 2014, 10:42:23
:/
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 05 June 2014, 10:46:16
I had to think about it for a minute... but I will put money that this is an iRocks... it's the only manufacturer I can think of that does such weird things on the modifiers... and it is same as the discontinued Rosewill Rk9100. Same place responsible for the atrocity
(http://i36.tinypic.com/e7htub.jpg)
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 05 June 2014, 16:29:12
bottom row looks stupid to me though
That's not the only thing that looks stupid on that keyboard.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Razor Lotus on Thu, 05 June 2014, 16:49:29
I had to think about it for a minute... but I will put money that this is an iRocks... it's the only manufacturer I can think of that does such weird things on the modifiers... and it is same as the discontinued Rosewill Rk9100. Same place responsible for the atrocity
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(http://i36.tinypic.com/e7htub.jpg)


Omg that enter lol

And the spacebar on that EVGA board LOL
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 05 June 2014, 17:01:55
Yep, this thing is fugly.

I keep waiting for the big keyboard makers to start selling swappable keysets.  Seems like a logical extension for the booming mechanical keyboard market, and so far they're leaving it up to the enthusiast communities.  If/when that happens, maybe they'll also finally understand the value of a standardized layout and key widths.
Title: Re: EVGA to join the mechside
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 05 June 2014, 17:23:40
if you're going to add macro keys, go all out... i've been thinking of putting Paint on G4 (for ease of printscreen/paste-into-paint... but i have a feeling there's an easier way i haven't found yet, mostly because it's just not that important).

An easier way to save screenshots is to install ShareX (http://getsharex.com/), a free and open source capture app that you can set up hotkeys for.

I have 'Capture window' to PrintScreen, capture region to Ctrl+PrintScreen, and capture desktop to Ctrl+Shift+PrintScreen, but it can be set to anything. The most useful feature is the upload option after you've taken a screenshot, so it can be directly uploaded to imgur, etc, and then once done it pops up with the link. Super useful.

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