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Title: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 November 2014, 04:17:44
Why ?  Super Sampling, That's why..

Too bad no one plays it on PC (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/crying1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862497)
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Altis on Tue, 25 November 2014, 15:38:09
Do you mean Street Fighter 4? Or sulphur tetrafluoride SF4? :D
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 November 2014, 21:42:17
Quote from: Altis on Tue, 25 November 2014, 15:38:09
Do you mean Street Fighter 4? Or sulphur tetrafluoride SF4? :D

I drink that all the time.. hence the crazy.


(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/pretty-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862516)
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:48:10
Quote from: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 November 2014, 04:17:44
Why ?  Super Sampling, That's why..

Too bad no one plays it on PC
Show Image
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/crying1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862497)


Street Fighter 4? I'm surprised anyone plays it at all.... Although I do have some good memories from playing the Sega version of the original... hmm.....
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:51:01
Quote from: Oobly on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:48:10
Quote from: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 November 2014, 04:17:44
Why ?  Super Sampling, That's why..

Too bad no one plays it on PC
Show Image
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/crying1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862497)


Street Fighter 4? I'm surprised anyone plays it at all.... Although I do have some good memories from playing the Sega version of the original... hmm.....

according to steam charts..  1200 people still play  (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed3-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862502)
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:53:22
Could be a good way to test the durability of my mechanical keyboard... BUTTON MASH!!!
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Coreda on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:54:43
SF4 looks so good on PC

*No pics* You're doing it wrong tp!
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 November 2014, 08:31:33
Quote from: Coreda on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:54:43
SF4 looks so good on PC

*No pics* You're doing it wrong tp!

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx237/tp4tissue/Untitled-5.jpg~original)

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Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: dante on Thu, 27 November 2014, 10:52:07
I'm more of a SNK man myself ...
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 November 2014, 12:18:27
Quote from: dante on Thu, 27 November 2014, 10:52:07
I'm more of a SNK man myself ...

NeoGeo
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Coreda on Fri, 28 November 2014, 03:54:02
Quote from: dante on Thu, 27 November 2014, 10:52:07
I'm more of a SNK man myself ...

Wish they would port The Last Blade series to Steam. That and Capcom porting SFIII:3. So good.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 November 2014, 05:39:38
Quote from: Coreda on Fri, 28 November 2014, 03:54:02
Quote from: dante on Thu, 27 November 2014, 10:52:07
I'm more of a SNK man myself ...

Wish they would port The Last Blade series to Steam. That and Capcom porting SFIII:3. So good.

well there's no point to porting, when everyone and their mothers got it on emulator..  both last blade AND SF3 works on mame..

and due to the 2D nature of the game, they'd be horribly laggy online anyway.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Coreda on Fri, 28 November 2014, 06:19:21
Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 28 November 2014, 05:39:38
well there's no point to porting, when everyone and their mothers got it on emulator..  both last blade AND SF3 works on mame.. and due to the 2D nature of the game, they'd be horribly laggy online anyway

Every good game is worth porting to the PC :p More because I'd like to support them on a platform I use. As for the netcode, yea, have read porting SFIII:3 would need a lot of effort to be perfect. Still, I'd like to see The Last Blade series on Steam considering the Samurai Shodown II was ported to basically everything.

Glad the Sega port of Valkyria Chronicles port become a best seller on PC, I bought two copies for a giveaway so I did my bit. Hopefully some more console games see successful PC versions.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 29 November 2014, 17:38:40
Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 November 2014, 08:31:33
Quote from: Coreda on Thu, 27 November 2014, 07:54:43
SF4 looks so good on PC

*No pics* You're doing it wrong tp!

Show Image
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx237/tp4tissue/Untitled-5.jpg~original)


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indeed: better graphics than SF1
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 29 November 2014, 20:11:39
I've wanted to always play this on PC to see the difference.

I have yet to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: jaemzp on Sun, 30 November 2014, 01:37:53
I agree, when you max out the settings it's quite something :)
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 November 2014, 02:04:19
Quote from: jaemzp on Sun, 30 November 2014, 01:37:53
I agree, when you max out the settings it's quite something :)

It's a bit beyond that..

The game runs Super Well on PC, because it was designed from the grounds up for Arcade machines which are just Windows PCs nowadays, same hardware..

So the fact that you can run 8x Supersampling AA on a cheapo 7970, with 50% gpu utilization @ 60fps is Amazing..   (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/whaaat2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862525)

Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 30 November 2014, 17:22:00
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 November 2014, 02:04:19
a cheapo 7970


Not everyone here is made from money. I'm looking forward to upgrading my 7850 sometime soon.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 November 2014, 18:02:35
Quote from: dorkvader on Sun, 30 November 2014, 17:22:00
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 November 2014, 02:04:19
a cheapo 7970


Not everyone here is made from money. I'm looking forward to upgrading my 7850 sometime soon.

??   a 7970 is an R280x..  so $150 used  175 new..

That's a few hundred packs of top ramen yeah..  but hardly that far out..
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 06 December 2014, 23:18:21
So this is amazing: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/6/7345275/street-fighter-v-will-support-cross-platform-play-between-pc-and-ps4

All I have to say is, finally!
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 06:04:15
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sat, 06 December 2014, 23:18:21
So this is amazing: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/6/7345275/street-fighter-v-will-support-cross-platform-play-between-pc-and-ps4

All I have to say is, finally!


Hrrrmmmm.........  hrrrmmm.....

So.. current gen Street fighter is built for the Taito Type x3..  which means 6770ati or 560ti nvidia..

My guess is they'll build around that arcade machine on this one as well..  it's right in line with the PS4 capabilities..  although typex3 obviously has a more beasty intel i3/i5/i7
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 07 December 2014, 15:12:53
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 06:04:15
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sat, 06 December 2014, 23:18:21
So this is amazing: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/6/7345275/street-fighter-v-will-support-cross-platform-play-between-pc-and-ps4

All I have to say is, finally!


Hrrrmmmm.........  hrrrmmm.....

So.. current gen Street fighter is built for the Taito Type x3..  which means 6770ati or 560ti nvidia..

My guess is they'll build around that arcade machine on this one as well..  it's right in line with the PS4 capabilities..  although typex3 obviously has a more beasty intel i3/i5/i7
Did they announce an arcade version?

I wanted to build a pc and play sf4 on it to max the settings (along with other games). Now I can play 4 and 5 at good settings on a PC when I finally commit to building one.

I have a list of parts but never commit. Sigh!
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 16:22:49
Quote from: Latin00032 on Sun, 07 December 2014, 15:12:53
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 06:04:15
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sat, 06 December 2014, 23:18:21
So this is amazing: http://www.theverge.com/2014/12/6/7345275/street-fighter-v-will-support-cross-platform-play-between-pc-and-ps4

All I have to say is, finally!


Hrrrmmmm.........  hrrrmmm.....

So.. current gen Street fighter is built for the Taito Type x3..  which means 6770ati or 560ti nvidia..

My guess is they'll build around that arcade machine on this one as well..  it's right in line with the PS4 capabilities..  although typex3 obviously has a more beasty intel i3/i5/i7
Did they announce an arcade version?

I wanted to build a pc and play sf4 on it to max the settings (along with other games). Now I can play 4 and 5 at good settings on a PC when I finally commit to building one.

I have a list of parts but never commit. Sigh!


Well.... max settings for SF4 is going to require more than the 6770..

you're looking at 7970 (280x) for 2560x1600 @ 8xeq SuperSampling.. requires about 80-90 capacity on the busiest stages..

I honestly think this game really neeeeds to be supersampled.. because the background is so blurry without supersampling.. the in game AA doesn't work on most background edges, because they're Textures..

So.. probably an nvidia 970 for good measure.. for 120fps on the asus swift (25x14 resolution)

Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 07 December 2014, 17:01:18
lol those specs are drastically overshooting SFIV. With a 970 you'll be good until SF7 :))

Graphic settings have nothing to do with lag time. You can have your graphics maxed out and not run well - your gameplay is still running at the set speed of the game's engine online. Once you hit cap settings, you won't magically add more frames of animation or make online play smoother. Just an FYI
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:26:06
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sun, 07 December 2014, 17:01:18
lol those specs are drastically overshooting SFIV. With a 970 you'll be good until SF7 :))

Graphic settings have nothing to do with lag time. You can have your graphics maxed out and not run well - your gameplay is still running at the set speed of the game's engine online. Once you hit cap settings, you won't magically add more frames of animation or make online play smoother. Just an FYI

h/o let me take some screen shots for you..

OK first image 8xeq Multisample AA,  notice the screwed up background

(http://i.imgur.com/TsUdRR6.jpg)

Now 8xeq Supersample AA, MUCH better.. and very playable frame rates on 7970, you can get for $150 used on ebay..

(http://i.imgur.com/1EUxvV9.jpg)
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:34:44
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:26:06
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sun, 07 December 2014, 17:01:18
lol those specs are drastically overshooting SFIV. With a 970 you'll be good until SF7 :))

Graphic settings have nothing to do with lag time. You can have your graphics maxed out and not run well - your gameplay is still running at the set speed of the game's engine online. Once you hit cap settings, you won't magically add more frames of animation or make online play smoother. Just an FYI

h/o let me take some screen shots for you..

All I'm saying is that it won't speed up gameplay, only make it look better.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:45:47
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:26:06
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sun, 07 December 2014, 17:01:18
lol those specs are drastically overshooting SFIV. With a 970 you'll be good until SF7 :))

Graphic settings have nothing to do with lag time. You can have your graphics maxed out and not run well - your gameplay is still running at the set speed of the game's engine online. Once you hit cap settings, you won't magically add more frames of animation or make online play smoother. Just an FYI

h/o let me take some screen shots for you..

OK first image 8xeq Multisample AA,  notice the screwed up background

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TsUdRR6.jpg)


Now 8xeq Supersample AA, MUCH better.. and very playable frame rates on 7970, you can get for $150 used on ebay..

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/1EUxvV9.jpg)

I got to remember these settings when I actually commit to the parts I want for my PC.
Title: Re: SF4 looks so good on PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:53:26
Quote from: Latin00032 on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:45:47
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 18:26:06
Quote from: noisyturtle on Sun, 07 December 2014, 17:01:18
lol those specs are drastically overshooting SFIV. With a 970 you'll be good until SF7 :))

Graphic settings have nothing to do with lag time. You can have your graphics maxed out and not run well - your gameplay is still running at the set speed of the game's engine online. Once you hit cap settings, you won't magically add more frames of animation or make online play smoother. Just an FYI

h/o let me take some screen shots for you..

OK first image 8xeq Multisample AA,  notice the screwed up background

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TsUdRR6.jpg)


Now 8xeq Supersample AA, MUCH better.. and very playable frame rates on 7970, you can get for $150 used on ebay..

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/1EUxvV9.jpg)

I got to remember these settings when I actually commit to the parts I want for my PC.

Supersampling isn't usually an ingame setting because despite it's absolute superiority in image quality, it's very expensive relative to Multisample..

But as you see.. in this specific game.. Multisample does a poor job.

The reason behind this is.. SF4 started on Taito x2 hardware.. which is SLOW...  so to make everything smooth, they rely on 3D-looking textures instead of 3D-objects for the background..

Now, Multisample AA doesn't work on textures, which is why nothing can be done about the detailed lines in the background.

The only way to restore detail, is  Super sampling..  which renders the game @ 8x the resolution.. then (usually) uses bilinear scaling to target resolution (your monitor)..