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Title: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 February 2015, 06:43:41
So let's say you're going for 500 calories per meal..

That's 1 pack of ramen..   mission-complete..


Try doing the same thing with Fruits + Veggies, 

We're looking at about, 3 bananas + 3 oranges, to get around 500 calories.


There's alot of BULK when you try to eat healthy.. 



Sigh...  All of this may be goood for health..   But it's a lot of hassle..


It's not easy to put down so much volume per meal, so now you have to eat many smaller meals.. that's MORE time taken up....


sigh... I can't wait till they replace internal organs with some sort of mechanical protein/sugar/lipids regulator..



Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 07:07:39
The problem with eating healthy is that good fresh food means frequent trips to the store.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 07:09:18
The problem with eating healthfully is having to cook.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 February 2015, 07:45:46
all good points...

Top ramen for breakfast, brunch, lunch, liner, dinner..  2500 calories for the active lifestyle..
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: JPG on Thu, 12 February 2015, 07:54:32
The great thing about eating healthy is that you feel good and stay more healthy, more so in the long run.


Yea you need to cook it yourself cause it seems it's too f***ing hard to mass produce healthy foods. There's some, but they are very few if you look closely and don't fall for most marketing crap like "with omega-3, or no gluten, etc." while the thing you buy has a minimal amount of omega-3 added and never had gluten to begin with (and where does this hate of the gluten comes from???).


Anyway, I agree it's more trouble to cook it, but I am pretty sure it's worth it a lot if you consider all the time you will be healthy VS ill in your whole life because you eat well/bad all your life.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 12 February 2015, 07:57:33
i feel healthy when i don't gorge on carbs :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:01:25
so if I want to try top ramen in France how should I do dear ramen master?

Well if you want to quit the ramen life and eat healthier, the easiest way is to find a girl who can cook. But it's pretty expensive because you can't only give her ingredients, you have to talk to her, take her out, entertain her ... Pretty much like a dog but with the ocasional sex. So it's time and money consuming, even more once she want to generate hungry little humans.

Or you could live with parents, but I'm unsure Tp4 was produced by humans being.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:11:15
I don't have trouble getting enough calories in a "healthy" diet. I have more trouble keeping the calorie count down. You're not eating enough meat or fatty fruits like avocados.

Breakfast today:

Small slice of "organic" ham browned in a cast iron pan.
Aged white cheddar melted on top.
Mushrooms and a whole fresh jalapeno sauteed in butter on top of the cheese.
and two fried eggs (what some call over easy) to top it off.

That's about 600 calories right there.

 About $1-$1.25 in ingredients.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:12:22
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:16:25
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.

While it is easy to spend more to eat healthy, it is possible to eat healthy for relatively cheap.  Though it does take a fair amount of research on your part in your locale to find nutrient dense foods that are cheap.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:32:07
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.

While it is easy to spend more to eat healthy, it is possible to eat healthy for relatively cheap.  Though it does take a fair amount of research on your part in your locale to find nutrient dense foods that are cheap.

The trouble I am running into right now,  is TIME..  I can't eat healthy while maintaining a low time-expense..

I've considered switching completely to Fruit carbs,  but ultimately I still have to cook some vegetables and meats..


Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:41:12
It's not as hard as you think. And fruit is not as good for you as you think. It has a lot of vitamins and minerals but also a lot of simple sugar. Bulk cook chicken breast, brown rice, beans, and veggies on a Sunday for the whole week. Put them in plastic wear and heat up in microwave. Eat 3 meals a day you don't have to eat more smaller ones.

Breakfast: Consume 30 grams of protein upon waking. (Shake)
Lunch: my rice chicken and broccoli made from Sunday.
Workout: Shake
Dinner: rice, sausage, beans, and veggies from Sunday.

Done.

This is when I am just maintaining though. When I cut I eliminate carbs and go into ketosis and when I bulk I add way more fat and carbs to my diet.

Even just cutting soda and juice from your diet and eating everything else the same. You will see improvements.

Also: if you don't want to cook and save time. Chipotle is amaizing. Burrito bowls with no/brown rice double beans and lots of veggies.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:52:33
lol I dont even know what to reply for this thread

I know for a fact when I started eating healthy and lose around 15kg to my ideal weight
my life is a lot better in every way, besides more chance of getting laid
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 09:06:58
where does this hate of the gluten comes from?

99% of the population has no problem with gluten, and gluten-related diets are a stupid fad.

However, 1% of the population has "celiac disease" in which gluten causes an auto-immune type reaction which severely damages the lining of the small intestine and prevents nutrients from being absorbed. It is a very serious problem.

I know this because my son was diagnosed with it a few years ago.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 12 February 2015, 09:23:40
It's not as hard as you think. And fruit is not as good for you as you think. It has a lot of vitamins and minerals but also a lot of simple sugar. Bulk cook chicken breast, brown rice, beans, and veggies on a Sunday for the whole week. Put them in plastic wear and heat up in microwave. Eat 3 meals a day you don't have to eat more smaller ones.

Breakfast: Consume 30 grams of protein upon waking. (Shake)
Lunch: my rice chicken and broccoli made from Sunday.
Workout: Shake
Dinner: rice, sausage, beans, and veggies from Sunday.

Done.

This is when I am just maintaining though. When I cut I eliminate carbs and go into ketosis and when I bulk I add way more fat and carbs to my diet.

Even just cutting soda and juice from your diet and eating everything else the same. You will see improvements.

Also: if you don't want to cook and save time. Chipotle is amaizing. Burrito bowls with no/brown rice double beans and lots of veggies.

It would be even better if you can manage to avoid plastic containers..  Much better diet than I manage tho!
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 February 2015, 09:40:12
The problem with NOT eating healthy is ... your health. Who does not want to live healthy golden years. More hassle to eat healthy? I'd prefer that hassle to the one some one eating junk has when at the W.C. LOL.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 11:51:38
The trouble I am running into right now,  is TIME..  I can't eat healthy while maintaining a low time-expense..

I've considered switching completely to Fruit carbs,  but ultimately I still have to cook some vegetables and meats..

That is just an excuse. If time is your issue, stop posting so much on GH. I'm not trying to be an ass - you have the time, you just choose to spend it on things other than planning/cooking meals.

Few time-friendly suggestions: raw vegetables (minimal prep), fruit, nuts, yogurt, hummus, edamame, high quality grains, etc.

Eggs take little to no time for prep, cooking takes 2-3 minutes. Fish is expensive but cooks in 5-7 minutes. I make huge batches of Chicken Breast, brown rice & black meals. I portion everything out in containers and I have food for the whole week (or longer if I freeze it). Depending how I'm feeling that day, I'll add sriracha/hoison, or BBQ sauce, or mole, or whatever sauce/topping you like. It takes about an hour to do everything, is healthy and CHEAP. If you're not in to rice or beans, there are a million other healthy/cheap/fast options out there, you just have to find one you like and will actually do. 
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: JPG on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:08:32
where does this hate of the gluten comes from?

99% of the population has no problem with gluten, and gluten-related diets are a stupid fad.

However, 1% of the population has "celiac disease" in which gluten causes an auto-immune type reaction which severely damages the lining of the small intestine and prevents nutrients from being absorbed. It is a very serious problem.

I know this because my son was diagnosed with it a few years ago.


Yea this I know. But it's like nuts, yea some people are allergic to it and it's good if something is labelled having it or not, but for those 99% of the population there's no reason not to eat gluten. In fact, many very good and healthy foods contain gluten and should not be avoided unless you're in this 1%.


My problem with gluten is that they are promoting gluten free diets as if it was better than a diet that includes gluten which is not as far as I know, and even could be worse if not balanced carefully, unless you have the celiac disease for sure.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:12:44
where does this hate of the gluten comes from?

99% of the population has no problem with gluten, and gluten-related diets are a stupid fad.

However, 1% of the population has "celiac disease" in which gluten causes an auto-immune type reaction which severely damages the lining of the small intestine and prevents nutrients from being absorbed. It is a very serious problem.

I know this because my son was diagnosed with it a few years ago.


Yea this I know. But it's like nuts, yea some people are allergic to it and it's good if something is labelled having it or not, but for those 99% of the population there's no reason not to eat gluten. In fact, many very good and healthy foods contain gluten and should not be avoided unless you're in this 1%.


My problem with gluten is that they are promoting gluten free diets as if it was better than a diet that includes gluten which is not as far as I know, and even could be worse if not balanced carefully, unless you have the celiac disease for sure.

This.  Gluten occurs naturally in some grains.  I remember reading a study done on gluten free and its effect on people.  It was determined that the vast majority that say they are "gluten sensitive" turns out to be an issue with something else and the gluten is just a placebo effect.  Most of the foods that are labeled "GLUTEN FREE" these days are gluten free by default.   The one time I make it a point to buy gluten free is one kind of beer that is brewed from sorghum.   That stuff is delish.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:17:14
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Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:20:52
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:24:55
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

qft

Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:36:47
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:45:51
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.

that's not including the approximately $24 in related future healthcare fees. :p
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:46:38
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.
You're absolutely right. Eating healthy CAN BE more expensive if you routinely shop at whole foods or feel the need to buy organic farm raised kale (for instance). I started eating clean 18 months ago and spend a lot less. Of course I needed to find new grocery stores (Aldi FTW), learn new recipes & research what foods are actually healthy but it's a small price to pay when it comes to increasing your quality of life and spending less.

I will recognize the fact that your location has a lot to do with how much you will pay in food, but I think for the most part the "healthy food = more expensive" is just laziness or parroting.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:47:21
If the title were "The excuse for not eating healthy", most of the comments shared would fit well.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:48:06
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99¢
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.

If the title were "The excuse for not eating healthy", most of the comments shared would fit well.

You've obviously lived a privileged life and never had to budget out each day individually because you have no idea what you're saying. Live on $50 a week for 5 years straight then see if you sing the same tune.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:51:18
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.

that's not including the approximately $24 in related future healthcare fees. :p

Most people who would live on a cheesburger diet probably don't pay for their healthcare anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:51:43
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.

that's not including the approximately $24 in related future healthcare fees. :p

Most people who would live on a cheesburger diet probably don't pay for their healthcare anyway.  ;D

^
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:51:53
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99¢
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.
You're still doing it wrong. http://imgur.com/gallery/pHUdq

Again, I'm not trying to be an *******. But if you put more time & effort in to it, you can eat well on a college budget.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:54:00
Is eating healthy more expensive? It's hard to beat a $1 cheeseburger.

that's not including the approximately $24 in related future healthcare fees. :p

Most people who would live on a cheesburger diet probably don't pay for their healthcare anyway.  ;D

lol

WAT IS HAPPENING TO 'MURICA
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:54:19
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99�
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.

If the title were "The excuse for not eating healthy", most of the comments shared would fit well.

You've obviously lived a privileged life and never had to budget out each day individually because you have no idea what you're saying. Live on $50 a week for 5 years straight then see if you sing the same tune.

No I just had to eat roadkill and what we could catch for fish as a kid because my mom worked as a janitor, and my dad couldn't work for about 10 years or so due to a broken neck.  We NEVER had frozen dinner **** in our house.  Per nutrient value, it is MUCH cheaper to eat healthy.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:57:14
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99�
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.
You're still doing it wrong. http://imgur.com/gallery/pHUdq

Yeah, beans/rice/canned veggies work too. I get tired of rice really fast so microwave meals were able to provide more choices.

If you only ate rice you could survive off of 2 bags a week, which at my store are about $8-10 each. Supplemented with beans - about $4 for 4 bags a week. Add canned veggies at .99 and you will wind up fairly close to that $30 mark I mentioned. Albeit that extra $5 means a lot on a bootstrap budget. I have no idea where they are getting 5lb bags of rice for $5, additionally it's about 2 cups of rice a day to live off of, which comes out to 14 cups a week. Given that 2 cups of rice = apprx. 1lb, that article is already not matching the real costs of food
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:00:26
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99�
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.
You're still doing it wrong. http://imgur.com/gallery/pHUdq

Yeah, beans/rice/canned veggies work too. I get tired of rice really fast so microwave meals were able to provide more choices.

If you only ate rice you could survive off of 2 bags a week, which at my store are about $8-10 each. Supplemented with beans - about $4 for 4 bags a week. Add canned veggies at .99 and you will wind up fairly close to that $30 mark I mentioned. Albeit that extra $5 means a lot on a bootstrap budget.

But that is much closer to a sustainable diet than 1 or 2 microwave dinners and a 6 pack of ramen.  The thread was about eating healthy not just eating.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:02:33
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99�
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.
You're still doing it wrong. http://imgur.com/gallery/pHUdq

Yeah, beans/rice/canned veggies work too. I get tired of rice really fast so microwave meals were able to provide more choices.

If you only ate rice you could survive off of 2 bags a week, which at my store are about $8-10 each. Supplemented with beans - about $4 for 4 bags a week. Add canned veggies at .99 and you will wind up fairly close to that $30 mark I mentioned. Albeit that extra $5 means a lot on a bootstrap budget.
Yeah I hear ya, I think the difference is you're probably getting way more rice/beans for your dollar than $.99 Michelina's. I've eaten my fair shares of those and I really needed to eat a couple of them to fill me up.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:02:42
i'll eat healthy when my metabolism slows with age... (probably in my 30s)

in the meantime i'll eat whatever i want because my young metabolism can handle it without making me fat or giving me a heart attack

also by the time i'm 30 i'll be sick of cheap food and have the motivation to actually cook
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:05:31
i'll eat healthy when my metabolism slows with age... (probably in my 30s)

in the meantime i'll eat whatever i want because my young metabolism can handle it without making me fat or giving me a heart attack

also by the time i'm 30 i'll be sick of cheap food and have the motivation to actually cook
Famous last words




I kid, I kid :D
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:06:55
The problem with eating healthy is that it's goddamn expensive.

not with a bit of research for what is available in your area.  In fact, once you get the hang of it, it is cheaper than buying premade **** they pass off as a meal at the grocery store.

It's really not.
1 cheap microwaveable meal (Michalena's/Banquet) = .99�
1 better microwavable meal = $1.99
6-pack of Ramen = $1

That means I can feed myself for an entire week - 7 days - for around $30. Can prepared meals do that? Hell no. At Trader Joe's $30 will buy you enough food for 2-3 days at most.
You're still doing it wrong. http://imgur.com/gallery/pHUdq

Yeah, beans/rice/canned veggies work too. I get tired of rice really fast so microwave meals were able to provide more choices.

If you only ate rice you could survive off of 2 bags a week, which at my store are about $8-10 each. Supplemented with beans - about $4 for 4 bags a week. Add canned veggies at .99 and you will wind up fairly close to that $30 mark I mentioned. Albeit that extra $5 means a lot on a bootstrap budget.

But that is much closer to a sustainable diet than 1 or 2 microwave dinners and a 6 pack of ramen.  The thread was about eating healthy not just eating.

They are not that bad for you. In fact there is a law that microwaveable meals must contain at least 4 parts starch to 2 parts meat to 2 parts vegetables to be labeled as a 'meal'.
That are however chock full of sodium.

You can argue with me all day, you won't make me see things differently. I lived like that for nearly a decade and have tried every which way from dollar items at fast food joints, to rice and bean diets, to killing rabbits in a near-by warren (way too much trouble for too little reward) and microwave meals were the easiest cheapest and most convenient way to feed myself on an extreme budget.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:07:44
i'll eat healthy when my metabolism slows with age... (probably in my 30s)

in the meantime i'll eat whatever i want because my young metabolism can handle it without making me fat or giving me a heart attack

also by the time i'm 30 i'll be sick of cheap food and have the motivation to actually cook
Famous last words




I kid, I kid :D

tomorrow is Friday the 13th... :eek:
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:17:37
There's another one next month too.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:19:54
There's another one next month too.

those Febuary-March Friday the 13ths...

historically they have not been good for me... let's hope it's merely coincidence...
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:21:54
Caveat - this requires storage, freezer, and taste buds of a person without a nose (i.e. I eat chicken and broccoli every day so I'm used to it), and some cooking skills.

Wegman's grocery in Pennsylvania:
5lbs of white rice - $5
7.5lbs of chicken breasts (family pack) - $15
5lbs of broccoli (or insert equivalent veggie here) - $10

Feeds 3 meals a day, 7 days a week. Approximately 13,350 calories (Typical male is 1900 calories/day resting x 7 = 13,300 calories a week). The dense chicken and broccoli will keep you filled, and the rice will provide the energy needed to do generic stuff. This is assuming you aren't going and exercising every day - because then obviously you'll need to eat more.

The above will give you around:
8g of fiber a day
120g of protein a day
300g of carbs a day

I've eaten chicken and broccoli every day for lunch and I went from 180lbs to 155lbs in about 5 months just by using that meal to help cut my calories. So it can be done, just not very enjoyable.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:25:23
but there is way more to a proper diet than just protein, carbs, and fiber
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:27:43
but there is way more to a proper diet than just protein, carbs, and fiber


I didn't bother listing everything because I am teeeechnically working, but the meat, vegetables, and grains provide you with almost everything you'd need. Especially given the nutrient enriched rice that most groceries sells nowadays. And it's in comparison with microwave meals.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:03:16
but there is way more to a proper diet than just protein, carbs, and fiber


yes, there is also fats :D



The problem with Eating healthy... is that I hate the taste of vegetables and fruits.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:04:13
but there is way more to a proper diet than just protein, carbs, and fiber


yes, there is also fats :D



The problem with Eating healthy... is that I hate the taste of vegetables and fruits.

Chicken has fats~
Yeah as I said, it's for people who can handle the lack of taste. Maybe throw on some cajun spices or something. I personally am holding out ok after something like 8 months of it for lunch every day, but I'm known for having no taste =p
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:07:18
but there is way more to a proper diet than just protein, carbs, and fiber


yes, there is also fats :D



The problem with Eating healthy... is that I hate the taste of vegetables and fruits.

There are a lot of foods I swore I didn't like or wouldn't ever eat but I've found much has to do with preparation and presentation. I do have a few friends who literally only eat meat and potatoes and have sworn off any other vegetable and/or fruit of any kind.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:10:40
meat and potatoes are good...

but i also like brussels sprouts... good flavor for a vegetable
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:14:44
I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans. I disagree, saying that it's better to eat green beans with bacon, than not to eat the green beans at all.

I don't eat the strips of bacon once cooked, it just adds flavor to the green beans.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:15:01
meat and potatoes are good...

but i also like brussels sprouts... good flavor for a vegetable

Needs a bit of care cooking though, overcooked tastes a lot worse than most overcooked veggies imo. But also I think it's a bit more expensive. I find broccoli/cauliflower/carrots to be the best balance in volume/density and price when trying to eat healthy for cheaper.

I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans. I disagree, saying that it's better to eat green beans with bacon, than not to eat the green beans at all.

I don't eat the strips of bacon once cooked, it just adds flavor to the green beans.

Bacon gets such a bad rap when it's not so bad in moderation. It's decent in calories, fat, and protein, and just high in sodium - which isn't necessarily so bad either.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:17:00
meat and potatoes are good...

but i also like brussels sprouts... good flavor for a vegetable

Needs a bit of care cooking though, overcooked tastes a lot worse than most overcooked veggies imo. But also I think it's a bit more expensive. I find broccoli/cauliflower/carrots to be the best balance in volume/density and price when trying to eat healthy for cheaper.

yeah, the mixed veggies are usually what i end up with... brussels sprouts are only on special occasions...
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:22:16
I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans. I disagree, saying that it's better to eat green beans with bacon, than not to eat the green beans at all.

I don't eat the strips of bacon once cooked, it just adds flavor to the green beans.

bacon makes so many things taste better :D
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:25:33
I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans. I disagree, saying that it's better to eat green beans with bacon, than not to eat the green beans at all.

I don't eat the strips of bacon once cooked, it just adds flavor to the green beans.

bacon makes so many things taste better :D

bacon = wonderfood
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:30:13
tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You’d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it’s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it’s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they’re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let’s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they’re what people in agricultural societies eat because it’s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:33:17
But Soylent Green is people! It's people!

(http://i.imgur.com/BNBDRqJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:51:31
tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You�d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it�s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it�s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they�re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let�s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they�re what people in agricultural societies eat because it�s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

This guy has his facts straight. Unfortunately, it's hard to get people to accept or even consider views that are not "main stream" even though more and more data continues to support such views.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:58:59
tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You�d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it�s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it�s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they�re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let�s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they�re what people in agricultural societies eat because it�s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

This guy has his facts straight. Unfortunately, it's hard to get people to accept or even consider views that are not "main stream" even though more and more data continues to support such views.

Pretty much, just look at the anti-vaxxer crowd.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:02:32
Aren't anti-vaxers in the minority? I don't keep track since I don't have any small kids.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:03:00
Yes, eating nothing but Top Ramen for a long time will actually make you feel physically ill. You need to take a daily multivitamin double dose if you're going to do that.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:03:21
tp4: Your pure ramen diet is a bad idea. You�d do a lot better on this stuff: http://www.soylent.me

jd: Your wife is being silly. Pork fat is not only delicious, it�s also a great way to fill yourself up. Green beans and onions cooked with a slice of bacon (and go ahead and eat the bacon with it) is better for you than a slice of bread or a bowl of rice or cereal.

People need a certain amount of carbohydrate, but it�s easy to get enough carbohydrate from a banana, a carrot, or some spinach. Starchy foods like bread, pasta, porridge, mashed potatoes, cassava, taro, rice, etc. are fine in moderation, but they�re much worse, nutritionally, than getting the same amount of carbohydrate from veggies (and let�s not even talk about cake, pie, cookies, chips, soda, candy, sorbet, ...). Eating a bowl of oatmeal or ramen, or a plate of fried rice or spaghetti for every meal is a bad idea.

Starches are basically peasant food: they�re what people in agricultural societies eat because it�s the cheapest or often the only food available. Our society is now rich enough for most people to afford getting their calories from much healthier sources like tomatoes and green beans and avocados and cheese and bacon and chicken skin, instead of bagels.

This guy has his facts straight. Unfortunately, it's hard to get people to accept or even consider views that are not "main stream" even though more and more data continues to support such views.

Pretty much, just look at the anti-vaxxer crowd.

I have one of those in the family.....she also only uses 'essential oils' instead of antibiotics....she's always talking about having natural this and natural that.....
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:04:36
Aren't anti-vaxers in the minority? I don't keep track since I don't have any small kids.

They are but the main stream science behind the stupidity of 99% of their reasons will not get through their head.

Yes, eating nothing but Top Ramen for a long time will actually make you feel physically ill. You need to take a daily multivitamin double dose if you're going to do that.

Still not good for you with that many carbs in your diet and that much salt.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:09:06
On the topic of eating healthy on a budget. The last time this came up, I brought this up and I'll do it again. Look up the SNAP or Food Stamp Challenge. Another good read is is this article where the mother spends $125/week to feed a family of four (http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/100-days-on-a-budget/).
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Bromono on Thu, 12 February 2015, 15:25:20
"If there is a will; there is a way."
"You are what you eat"

It's about mindset.

Diets are temporary and typically don't work. It is a life style.

Watched a seminar on TED talk by Tim Ferris. Changed my life forever. Bought all his books and have not looked back since.   

I was hovering close to 200 pounds. I am now sitting happy at a lean 160.

I cheat on saturdays. Eat whatever I want, and lots of it. I eat so much that I don't want to touch it for another week.

I also have mandatory PT 3 times a week and work out on my own twice a week. so that helps to.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:15:57
On the topic of eating healthy on a budget. The last time this came up, I brought this up and I'll do it again. Look up the SNAP or Food Stamp Challenge. Another good read is is this article where the mother spends $125/week to feed a family of four (http://www.100daysofrealfood.com/100-days-on-a-budget/).
Thanks for the link, it's really well done. I like that it's written in blog form so she's sharing her ups & downs and real life observations. Bookmarking to finish later.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:31:09
I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans.

that mindset really annoys me.  she's [sorta] right if she were talking about weightloss, but in terms of nutrient uptake, not at all.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: drewba on Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:42:02
I will eat green beans, if they are cooked with onions and bacon. My wife protests, saying that adding bacon defeats the purpose of eating the green beans.

that mindset really annoys me.  she's [sorta] right if she were talking about weightloss, but in terms of nutrient uptake, not at all.
Yep! And even if she is talking about weight loss, as long as bacon falls within your allotted calories/macros, you're fine.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: munch on Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:54:14
in Sweden where I am from, it is more than 2x as cheap to buy and prep food at home than eating unhealthy prepared pre-made foods.
and it is also that in Canada, food there is pretty cheap compared to Sweden though. especially if you shop the ethnic stores, I got some crazy deals. probably under 50 a week for food total and I love to eat good food, so it wasn't just cheaping out as much as possible, but actually eating well and healthy.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Lain1911 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 16:57:43
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry. You can still eat pork, steak, fish etc. Just don't be a glutton and figure out what makes you gain weight more than other foods.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 17:25:17
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 February 2015, 17:29:47
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry


whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 17:33:38
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry


whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 February 2015, 17:34:23
"If there is a will; there is a way."
"You are what you eat"

It's about mindset.

Diets are temporary and typically don't work. It is a life style.

Watched a seminar on TED talk by Tim Ferris. Changed my life forever. Bought all his books and have not looked back since.   

I was hovering close to 200 pounds. I am now sitting happy at a lean 160.

I cheat on saturdays. Eat whatever I want, and lots of it. I eat so much that I don't want to touch it for another week.

I also have mandatory PT 3 times a week and work out on my own twice a week. so that helps to.

which ted talk..
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 17:35:18
yellow pee talk

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/dehydration/basics/symptoms/con-20030056
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 12 February 2015, 20:32:27
Quote from: tbc
if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry  [...] VERY many people are dehydrated.

Like most things, humans can cope with a pretty wide range of water input. If your urine is very dark and you have a dry mouth, dry skin, and constant headaches, and you feel very thirsty, then sure, you’re probably dehydrated, and there’s nothing wrong with drinking a bunch more water, but it is absolutely not necessary to always have totally clear urine or be peeing every 2 hours.

Indeed, even if you’re getting more than enough water, peeing every 2 hours is behavioral conditioning, rather than an urgent need. People start to feel like they should pee when their bladder is nowhere close to full. Even if you think you need to pee every 2 hours, you could probably learn wait 6 or 8 hours to pee, and be just fine.

Of course, there’s very little harm in drinking 3x more water than you need and peeing constantly, if that’s what you’re into. Knock yourself out.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 12 February 2015, 20:35:43
Quote from: tbc
if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry  [...] VERY many people are dehydrated.

Like most things, humans can cope with a pretty wide range of water input. If your urine is very dark and you have a dry mouth, dry skin, and constant headaches, and you feel very thirsty, then sure, you’re probably dehydrated, and there’s nothing wrong with drinking a bunch more water, but it is absolutely not necessary to always have totally clear urine or be peeing every 2 hours.

Indeed, even if you’re getting more than enough water, peeing every 2 hours is behavioral conditioning, rather than an urgent need. People start to feel like they should pee when their bladder is nowhere close to full. Even if you think you pee every 2 hours, you could probably learn wait 6 or 8 hours to pee, and be just fine.

Pretty much this.  When I was working on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier, it was the hottest working enviroment I have ever been in.  Worse than doing industrial construction in a foundry.  I would drink 6 liters of water in a 12 hour shift and only pee at lunch and when I got off.  Both times only a slight tint of yellow.  Not dehydrated.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Lain1911 on Thu, 12 February 2015, 20:40:23
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry


whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

What I mean is some people snack because there is food on the counter, or near the chair, or just lying around and they are not really hungry, but it's there, might as well eat it...
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 February 2015, 20:40:34
Chemically, there is not a whole lot of difference between sweat and urine, although urine is more complex.

They are really serving somewhat similar functions in hot environments. If you drink 3 liters and sweat 3 liters, what is left over?
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tbc on Thu, 12 February 2015, 20:44:12
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry


whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

What I mean is some people snack because there is food on the counter, or near the chair, or just lying around and they are not really hungry, but it's there, might as well eat it...

honestly, i've never understood that....

i've been known to get a craving, buy 4-6 chocolate bars, and put them on the coffee table.  3 weeks later, i eat 1.

Chemically, there is not a whole lot of difference between sweat and urine, although urine is more complex.

They are really serving somewhat similar functions in hot environments. If you drink 3 liters and sweat 3 liters, what is left over?

i'm not sure what you mean at all by this post.

sweat and urine are very different chemically.  they might have similiar components, but the quantity differences are important.

as for their usage.  it's a common myth that sweat's primary purpose( or even secondary) is to release toxins; that's the job of the kidneys and bladder.  the purpose of sweat is to keep a stable body temperatures to prevent protein denaturing ( and for chemical reactions.  it is the job of the liver to convert dangerous substances into safer forms that can be stored in the body till it is peed out.

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat*.  if you're sweating that much, you SHOULD be intaking alot more.  are we talking about survivalist situations?  from what I saw, 4 litres is what a hockey player will sweat during a game.  I've never seen someone refuse water or carefully measure their intake in that situation before; usually it's as much as they can drink within their break period.  someone drinking in exactly what they're sweating would be quite rare at that quantities outside of a lab.

*alot of sweat meaning that you would get sweat marks by giving this person a hug





Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:19:57

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat


All of your picky technicalities are correct, but I stand by my concept.

When I started Tae Kwon Do, I was really struggling in the early months. I am a big guy, but not obese. Out of curiosity, I sometimes weighed myself immediately before and after a training session.

After an intense 2-hour workout, there were several times that I had lost 3-1/2 pounds.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:20:52

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat


When I started Tae Kwon Do, I was really struggling in the early months. I am a big guy, but not obese. Out of curiosity, I sometimes weighed myself immediately before and after a training session.

After an intense 2-hour workout, there were several times that I had lost 3-1/2 pounds.

that would only be 1.5 liters of water.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:44:40
I feel awkward. When I started reading this thread I am eating a salad with cranberry juice. I have a hard time gaining weight actually which I still would call a weight problem. I would say just don't eat as much fast food and don't snack when you are not hungry.

alot of people can't tell dehydration from hunger.  so they always overeat.

if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry


whawt?..

I don't pee every 2 hours..  maybe 3-5 hours...

Are you sure about this..

VERY many people are dehydrated.

the better test is if your pee is yellow then you're dehydrated.  mostly clear with slight yellow tinging is good, totally clear is probably bad if it goes on for too many days(not entirely sure)

What I mean is some people snack because there is food on the counter, or near the chair, or just lying around and they are not really hungry, but it's there, might as well eat it...

honestly, i've never understood that....

i've been known to get a craving, buy 4-6 chocolate bars, and put them on the coffee table.  3 weeks later, i eat 1.

Chemically, there is not a whole lot of difference between sweat and urine, although urine is more complex.

They are really serving somewhat similar functions in hot environments. If you drink 3 liters and sweat 3 liters, what is left over?

i'm not sure what you mean at all by this post.

sweat and urine are very different chemically.  they might have similiar components, but the quantity differences are important.

as for their usage.  it's a common myth that sweat's primary purpose( or even secondary) is to release toxins; that's the job of the kidneys and bladder.  the purpose of sweat is to keep a stable body temperatures to prevent protein denaturing ( and for chemical reactions.  it is the job of the liver to convert dangerous substances into safer forms that can be stored in the body till it is peed out.

sweating 3 liters is....ALOT of sweat*.  if you're sweating that much, you SHOULD be intaking alot more.  are we talking about survivalist situations?  from what I saw, 4 litres is what a hockey player will sweat during a game.  I've never seen someone refuse water or carefully measure their intake in that situation before; usually it's as much as they can drink within their break period.  someone drinking in exactly what they're sweating would be quite rare at that quantities outside of a lab.

*alot of sweat meaning that you would get sweat marks by giving this person a hug

The sweating 6 liters of water in a day was at work, not a survivalist situation.  The reason for the such measured intake of water was because I had a 3L capacity camel back, and I only had two opportunities to fill it, before work and at lunch.  This was on the flight deck of a US Navy air craft carrier where 120°F plus 95% humidity was not uncommon when off the coast of Kuwait.  On top of flight deck gear, and jet exhaust blowing on you, it gets damn hot.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 February 2015, 08:03:57
If chocolate bars come near me.. They will disappear in a few hours tops.. (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/8f337f1c.gif)
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: dimmu on Fri, 13 February 2015, 08:15:09
the problem with eating healthy is i'm about to die of mercury poisoning in a few years due to exclusive eating of just canned tuna + oats.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 February 2015, 08:16:31
the problem with eating healthy is i'm about to die of mercury poisoning in a few years due to exclusive eating of just canned tuna + oats.

Hahahahahahahaha...  I guess, that shouldn't have been funny.. but for whatever reason.. It was..

Good post !!(http://textemoticons.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/073.gif)
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 13 February 2015, 08:28:09
sweating 6 liters of water in a day

This makes me feel like a wimp in comparison.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:13:12
sweating 6 liters of water in a day

This makes me feel like a wimp in comparison.


I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:43:50
I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

Try working in Pine Creek when it comes around February, up in the Northern Territory.   You literally sweat buckets and lose all body fat inside three months easily, it's a place where you either stay in air-conditioned offices or suffer the climate out side.

Mind you with all that water around you, mould and mildew is a pest.  I've lost numerous pairs of socks due to it growing and consuming the cotton weave fabric in my socks BUT I'm still required to wear them.  Sometimes I had to change 3 pairs of socks in one day so that my feet stay healthy and free of athletes foot.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 February 2015, 18:48:59
I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

Try working in Pine Creek when it comes around February, up in the Northern Territory.   You literally sweat buckets and lose all body fat inside three months easily, it's a place where you either stay in air-conditioned offices or suffer the climate out side.

Mind you with all that water around you, mould and mildew is a pest.  I've lost numerous pairs of socks due to it growing and consuming the cotton weave fabric in my socks BUT I'm still required to wear them.  Sometimes I had to change 3 pairs of socks in one day so that my feet stay healthy and free of athletes foot.

Now I know why old people retire to sunny states, like florida..

 (http://www.msgking.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/onion-avatar023.gif)
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:04:27
I 'd believe maybe urinating 6 liters.. but I couldn't imagine sweating 6 liters.. that's insane..

Try working in Pine Creek when it comes around February, up in the Northern Territory.   You literally sweat buckets and lose all body fat inside three months easily, it's a place where you either stay in air-conditioned offices or suffer the climate out side.

Mind you with all that water around you, mould and mildew is a pest.  I've lost numerous pairs of socks due to it growing and consuming the cotton weave fabric in my socks BUT I'm still required to wear them.  Sometimes I had to change 3 pairs of socks in one day so that my feet stay healthy and free of athletes foot.

I have always been told from high school on that peeing on your feet in the shower will keep athletes foot from taking hold.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 13 February 2015, 19:09:32
I love this thread.
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:02:27
I have always been told from high school on that peeing on your feet in the shower will keep athletes foot from taking hold.

Don't worry, my Mrs does it when we're in the bathroom together.  Talk about really enjoying some Golden Showers here in Perth  ;D .
Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:58:29
I just read through this whole thread and learned a lot.... wtf is happening, educational informative tp4tissue threads??
(https://i.imgur.com/RhU6aXy.gif)

Great stuff everyone
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Title: Re: The problem with Eating healthy..
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 24 February 2015, 23:36:27
if you're not peeing every 2 hours, then you're dehydrated, not hungry

http://www.irunfar.com/2012/07/waterlogged-a-dogma-shattering-book.html